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Location: NE Pa-Gods Country | you can get all the information from the apha.com website...your solid paint is eligible as long as it has one regular registry paint as dam or sire... this is a great Incentive and we are getting more and more shows sanctioned for PBRIP. or message RB Performace aka Melanie Bearden for more info. |
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| Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.
Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks) |
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Location: Oklahoma | yes solid paints are just as good as colored paints. I have so many colored paints that when I get a solid I get excited . It is so hard to get a solid I have tried for years to get a black solid paint , not brown I want a black
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| BMW - 2014-01-31 6:39 PM
I know nothing about the paint incentive fund in barrel racing and keep forgetting to call APHA during business hours. Can someone tell me how it works and if a solid registered paint would qualify? Thanks.
I looked into this and while it sounds great and looks good on paper- I joined and it was absolutely a waste of money. I ran at the race in Alvarado and it took them a month or more to post the results. (after I made multiple requests)The people at the table did not know what they were talking about when I asked questions and their greatest concern was to convince me to run at the sweepstakes at the paint world. Which thank goodness I did not do... they told me that the D and G crew were doing the ground there.... which turned out to be a falsehood.
They are very unorganized and the barrel racers are not a priority to them- all they want is to promote it and not support it.
This is just another APHA disappointment
that being said - they told me solid registered paints are allowed :)
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Location: Oklahoma | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent. Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks) this is NOT correct.
2013 and after horses not only have to have one regular registry parent but ALSO a regular registry grand parent (2nd generation)
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM
Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.
Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM
Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.
Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.
not correct. Please read post above |
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| Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM
Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.
Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.
not correct. Please read post abovei
Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points.
I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM.
2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION.
3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there.
4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in.
5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses.
Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership.
http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.
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Location: Oklahoma | Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 12:50 PM Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent. Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks) The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry. not correct. Please read post abovei Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points. I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM. 2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION. 3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there. 4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in. 5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses. Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership. http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.
Was talking about the one paint parent is all you need. That is not correct. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 12:50 PM
Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM
Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.
Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.
not correct. Please read post abovei
Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points.
I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM.
2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION.
3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there.
4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in.
5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses.
Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership.
http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.
Thanks for this-looked on APHA web site but didn't know where to look after i got there. |
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Location: Montana | Casady - 2014-02-01 7:38 AM
yes solid paints are just as good as colored paints. I have so many colored paints that when I get a solid I get excited . It is so hard to get a solid I have tried for years to get a black solid paint , not brown I want a black
OMG . . . this makes me laugh SO hard! If you like the solids, can I ever fix you up!
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Location: Central Oklahoma | PBRIP isn't a points program. What it does is basically turns any barrel race into a co-sanctioned event. But it is a money-earned event. The payout works like any other sidepot at a barrel race. Those who enter and place, get paid on a 4D payout. It's $30 to enter and something like 85% goes back into payout. I would have to go look at my notes. I went to the PBRIP meeting at Heritage a couple weeks ago. I've also entered several PBRIP events as well as the World Sweepstakes last year. ANY event can be a PBRIP event , just talk to your producer and APHA and set it up. Any other questions, yes contact Melanie Bearden or myself Amy Compton (comptonranch@yahoo.com) and I'll do what I can to help. |
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| Gosh you guys jumped on me. I never meant that it was a point thing, I meant I am not allowed to run her for points. I have already tried with APHA for years and I cannot run her to get her points. We are not eligible, I have been screwing with them for years before I just said forget it.
The APHA lady told me it was 1 regular registry parent, so that's what I repeated. If it's wrong, then I really don't care because I don't do it and no races near me do it either. |
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| SkysTheLimit - 2014-02-03 9:44 AM
PBRIP isn't a points program. What it does is basically turns any barrel race into a co-sanctioned event. But it is a money-earned event. The payout works like any other sidepot at a barrel race. Those who enter and place, get paid on a 4D payout. It's $30 to enter and something like 85% goes back into payout. I would have to go look at my notes. I went to the PBRIP meeting at Heritage a couple weeks ago. I've also entered several PBRIP events as well as the World Sweepstakes last year. ANY event can be a PBRIP event , just talk to your producer and APHA and set it up. Any other questions, yes contact Melanie Bearden or myself Amy Compton (comptonranch@yahoo.com) and I'll do what I can to help.
So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along? |
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Location: Tyler, Texas | PBRIP has made it where your normal 4D barrel races can be co-sanctioned with APHA to earn points on your horse. PBRIP adds sidepot money to existing races to benefit APHA horses.
I know APHA has not always been the best to deal with however they are working very hard to make this a beneficial program. It is going to take a bit to work out all the kinks.
PBRIP Rules:
The Paint Barrel Racing Incentive Program (PBRIP) has been created to increase opportunities and
purses for its members who breed, promote and race American Paint Horse (APHA) barrel horses.
APHA through PBRIP will coordinate and organize paint barrel races, by raising funds through an
Annual Stallion Service Auction, PBRIP enrollment program and a future Stallion Subscription
Program. PBRIP will be managed by APHA pursuant to the following Rules:
1. Horse Eligibility Rules
The following rules must be complied with in order for a horse to be eligible to compete in a
PBRIP side pot and/or to be eligible to receive any PBRIP incentives or awards.
a. ALL APHA registered horses foaled prior to January 1, 2013 will be allowed to participate in PBRIP.
ALL FOALS FOALED ON OR AFTER JANUARY 1, 2013 MUST COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE
FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS TO BE ELIGIBLE.
b. ALL Regular registered horses foaled on or after January 1, 2013 will be allowed to participate in
PBRIP.
c. ALL Solid Paint-Bred registered horses foaled on or after January 1, 2013 must have at least one
Regular Registry Paint Horse in the first generation and at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the
second generation OR two Regular Registry Paint Horses in the first generation.
**Regular Registry is any horse that is registered as Tobiano, Overo, Tovero.
**Solid Paint-Bred Registry is any horse that is solid in color with minimal or no white.
2. PBRIP Enrollment
In order to participate in any PBRIP side pots a competitor must be a current APHA member and
an enrolled participant before or at the time of entry to the relevant PBRIP side pot event.
a. The annual PBRIP enrollment fee will be $35. Enrollment can be purchased at any time during
the year. The enrollment will expire one year after fee is paid.
b. The PBRIP side pots at the selected barrel races will be limited to current enrolled PBRIP
participants. If not currently enrolled, a competitor may enroll at the time of entry and become
eligible to compete in PBRIP side pot events.
c. Enrollment fees collected shall be used for added money to PBRIP side pots at selected
barrels races within the discretion of PBRIP and/or APHA, less 15% advertising and
administration. PBRIP side pot added money will only be available at races designated and
authorized by APHA and/or PBRIP.
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Location: Tyler, Texas | So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along?
Yes, Your horse earns points that will apply towards your ROM |
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Location: Tyler, Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-04 8:51 AM Gosh you guys jumped on me. I never meant that it was a point thing, I meant I am not allowed to run her for points. I have already tried with APHA for years and I cannot run her to get her points. We are not eligible, I have been screwing with them for years before I just said forget it. The APHA lady told me it was 1 regular registry parent, so that's what I repeated. If it's wrong, then I really don't care because I don't do it and no races near me do it either.
Any producer can submit an application to have their race PBRIP Approved ( Co-Sanctioned with APHA) Tell them you would like it to be PBRIP and problem solved :) |
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| LoneStar - 2014-02-03 10:44 AM
So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along?
Yes, Your horse earns points that will apply towards your ROM
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Location: East Texas | Can you also be an AjPHA member? Website says they have all of the benefits as APHA members. |
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| APHA has done a great job with the PBRIP, the committee working on this has put forth alot of effort and are still working to make this an excellent program.
For 2014 - they are working to have an arena only for the speed events so the ground can be worked and kept without other classes coming in before barrels, causing a difference in the conditions.
PBRIP committee is also working on their website for the results to be updated and posted and also working out details to get the results from the producers of the side pots. This is all a work in progress and there will be more things that will need to be addressed but in the end PBRIP will be something that we can take our paint horses to and benefit from.
I have ran at the World Shows where it has paid out, where it didnt pay out and received buckles, jackets, etc. but I went there knowing beforehand what was going to be given out as prizes. Points have helped me sell my horses and I appreciate that but I really appreciate a program that is paying out.
The 4D format allows a wider range of participants and the top 10 payout pays the top horses.
The 2013 World Show sweepstakes was very nice and 2014 looks to be even better.
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| This is listed on APHA's website - for the question regarding horses born before Jan 1 2013 and for horses after 2013:
The Paint Barrel Racing Incentive Program Committee recently revised the rules of the popular barrel racing jackpot program.
The rules, which originated from the Stakes Race Eligibility Rules used to govern Paint racing, were changed to welcome more barrel racing Paints into PBRIP competition, APHA Director of Racing Karen Utecht says.
"The original stakes race eligibility rules were changed to welcome more barrel racing paints into the PBRIP competition," APHA Director of Racing Karen Utecht said. "The barrel racing community remains excited about the PBRIP program and these changes will create a great opportunity for our Paint barrel horses."
The rules now state:
ALL APHA-registered horses foaled prior to January 1, 2013, will be allowed to participate in PBRIP.
All foals foaled on or after January 1, 2013, must comply with any of the following requirements to be eligible:
1. All Regular Registry Paint Horses—those registered as a tobiano, overo or tovero—foaled on or after January 1, 2013, will be allowed to participate in PBRIP.
2. All Solid Paint-Bred registered horses—Paints with minimal or no white—foaled on or after January 1, 2013, must have at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the first generation and at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the second generation OR two Regular Registry Paint Horses in the first generation.
Hope this helps clarify for the solid bred paints.....
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Location: Central Oklahoma | This is the first I've heard of there being points awarded. At the meeting last month they said there will be a "standings" this year and year end awards all based on money earned. I do think there is *some* right hand not talking to the left; however, this is a BRAND NEW program. You can't expect it to roll out completely flawless. I'm ecstatic for this program and will support it the best I can. |
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| One more question about solid paints-do all APHA shows allow solid paints in the speed events-barrels and poles? Thanks-it's easier to ask here than look it up on APHA's web site. |
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| Your solid bred paints have separate classes from the colored horses running in the same event at a regular APHA show all the way to their World Show .. .... there is such a low turn out due to cost and color discrimination you will never earn a point let alone any money ... (3-10 max horses in the entire event)
Until APHA simplifies their rules to ANY REGISTERED PAINT HORSE COLORED OR SOLID can compete together and against each other as equals for the same money or awards in all classes, races and events they are going to continue to go down hill ....
If you look at how APHA is run it is very similar to Obamacare .... what you thought was a rule yesterday has been changed over night to be something else today ....
The current executive secretary and the previous one both came from the APPY HORSE CLUB and look what they did to them with all the inuendo's and either or's ... both of them and several old time employees need to be sent to a rest home for non horse owners .... lol
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| if you are wanting to go to horse shows for points then you can request the solid paint class at your local shows if they are not listing it - if thats what you are wanting - If points are what you are concerned with - but points are not getting you to the World Show for the Paint Incentive or the World Show Classes, participation is.
In the Paint Incentive they are all running together at the Side Pots - and your participation is what is accrueing to get you to the World Show - if that is what you are attempting to do. Also at the World Show they are keeping the Solid Paints separate for the World Show classes AND keeping the Sweepstakes classes separate for Solid and Regular Registry- so there is just as much money in the Solids as the Regular - which is beneficial to both.
If you still have questions about points I would recommend you call APHA but across the board at horse shows even if you have a Regular Registry - the speed events are very small numbers in participation due to no payout of money - therefore PBRIP was invented!!
- emailed our local club secretary, he stated they would add a class (solid Paint) if it wasnt on their handbill or if that is something we want for year end awards in the local club. hope this helps.
** the committee running PBRIP and World Show speed events are doing an excellent job building it up.....this is a new program, lets give them the time and the opportunity they deserve.
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| Thanks for the replies about the APHA classes. I'm considering buying a paint barrel prospect and was wondering what paint opportunities would be available-paint vs solid paint. |
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Location: Tyler, Texas | BMW - 2014-02-05 11:56 PM One more question about solid paints-do all APHA shows allow solid paints in the speed events-barrels and poles? Thanks-it's easier to ask here than look it up on APHA's web site.
Yes, Solid Paints are allowed to run in PBRIP / Co-Santioned Events.
Foals born 2013 and after will have to meet the following criteria:
3. ALL Solid Paint-Bred registered horses foaled on or after January 1, 2013 must have at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the first generation and at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the second generation OR two Regular Registry Paint Horses in the first generation. |
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