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Equiresp, the new big thing...the good, bad and ugly, is it WORTH it?
CrossCreek
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Posted 2015-03-18 11:27 PM
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Equiresp...is it worth it? what does it actualy do?
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CrossCreek
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2015-03-18 11:33 PM
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2015-03-18 11:40 PM
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Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2015-03-19 12:33 AM
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I'm anxious to hear some results (or lack of) too.
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arion
Reg. Mar 2015
Posted 2015-03-19 7:06 AM
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How much is too much?

that would be the first question that I would want answered.

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Posted 2015-03-19 8:15 AM
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I use the Silver Horse Care nebulizer.  I have a bleeder.  It has made a huge difference.
They worked with my vet to come up with a treatment plan.
Definately worth the money.  I think Silver Horse Care may be less expensive than Equi Resp.  Not totally sure. 
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Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-03-19 8:18 AM
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You can make a red neck one and just buy the meds to go with it..... MUCH cheaper. I will add you must have a nebulizer of some sort (you can find them used for $150 or so) but the attachment can be made from tubing, a bucket, and a towel to go around the edge.

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Reg. May 2009
Posted 2015-03-19 8:41 AM
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1paintedjewel - 2015-03-19 8:15 AM

I use the Silver Horse Care nebulizer.  I have a bleeder.  It has made a huge difference.
They worked with my vet to come up with a treatment plan.
Definately worth the money.  I think Silver Horse Care may be less expensive than Equi Resp.  Not totally sure. 

I also use the one by Silver Horse Care, amazing product, I have 2 horses with lung issues and the results have been almost unbelieveable. They both have made HUGE improvements in a very short time and their runs are proving it. I wish I had one of these a long time ago, but I will never be without one again....definitely worth the investment!!!
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Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2015-03-19 8:56 AM
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I have been wondering about this too as my horse has really bad allergies. However I read on the Silver and its says there isn't much studies done on it and it could cause harm, so I am still on the fence.  Too much on Google to read!
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Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2015-03-19 9:09 AM
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Could this help with a Heaves horse?
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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2015-03-19 9:13 AM
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Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 8:56 AM I have been wondering about this too as my horse has really bad allergies. However I read on the Silver and its says there isn't much studies done on it and it could cause harm, so I am still on the fence.  Too much on Google to read!

Have you done the immunotheraphy for allergies?  I am going to start mine in a few weeks, but if it doesn't kick his cough I wonder if something like this would.  I guess I better start Googling now! 
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TXracer
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2015-03-19 9:22 AM
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I have a Centurion Transpirator and love it!! We have a horse that had a chronic cough for about 6 years but when scoped we could never see anything or find anything to get rid of it, after a week of treatments last fall he has not coughed once!!
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Mainer-racer
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2015-03-19 10:38 AM
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Longneck - 2015-03-19 10:13 AM
Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 8:56 AM I have been wondering about this too as my horse has really bad allergies. However I read on the Silver and its says there isn't much studies done on it and it could cause harm, so I am still on the fence.  Too much on Google to read!
Have you done the immunotheraphy for allergies?  I am going to start mine in a few weeks, but if it doesn't kick his cough I wonder if something like this would.  I guess I better start Googling now! 

No I haven't, but now you got me interested. Would love to know what you see for results. Its so frustrating trying to deal with it.  We still have about 4 feet of snow here, so I don't think we'll see Spring till at least May!! Keep us updated how it works out.
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cowgirl156
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2015-03-19 10:46 AM
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I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2015-03-19 11:12 AM
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I bought the $350 model. I use an RX from my vet for a horse who has inflammatory airway disease and then follow up with the equiresp silver. I tried it on one of my horses at the Glen Rose American qualifier in november and in one treatment she did have a reduced cough warming up. The day before she gave about 4 good coughs. that night when I treated her she coughed once.

I like the machine and have seen results with the horse we consistently use it on for her IAD.

I don't believe it is a fad. People have been nebulizing for years. It just hasn't been this affordable. I know you can make your own for less money but for me this was just more convenient and still drastically cheaper than other models out there.

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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-03-20 9:25 AM
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cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!

I'm with you...I dont' have a need for it, but have been waiting to hear if there are any fungal issues that come up with these machines.  
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2015-03-20 9:30 AM
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I wouldn't hook my horse up to a mask and tubing that had been used on 50 other horses. I don't care what they say. Hospitals aren't sharing this equipment among humans for a reason.
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Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-03-20 9:34 AM
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CanCan - 2015-03-20 10:30 AM

I wouldn't hook my horse up to a mask and tubing that had been used on 50 other horses. I don't care what they say. Hospitals aren't sharing this equipment among humans for a reason.

I predict a big ole virus spread of something if this keeps up.
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AfleetEquine
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2015-03-20 10:28 AM
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rachellyn80 - 2015-03-20 10:25 AM

cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!

I'm with you...I dont' have a need for it, but have been waiting to hear if there are any fungal issues that come up with these machines.  

They have you sanitize it between horses. I actually sanitize mine twice. Before, and after.

I would also think the silver they breath will help kill any extra fungus that might be there.
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1paintedjewel
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2015-03-20 12:51 PM
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I just keep extra tubing.  I have a different set for every horse.  I don't share any of it.
I had bronchitis a few weeks ago and used it on myself.  It helped me get over it alot faster. 
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Reg. May 2009
Posted 2015-03-20 1:05 PM
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I also have a seperate setup for each horse I am doing it on and I don't really use it on any horses other than my own.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-20 2:07 PM
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quickdraw
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2015-03-20 5:47 PM
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cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM

I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!

I was afraid of that. I looked at one and was not impressed with how little "steam" it puts out. I too have been concerned with cross contamination from horse to horse. I'm anxious to see results on some horses I "know".
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cowgirl156
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2015-03-21 3:58 PM
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AfleetEquine - 2015-03-20 10:28 AM

rachellyn80 - 2015-03-20 10:25 AM

cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!

I'm with you...I dont' have a need for it, but have been waiting to hear if there are any fungal issues that come up with these machines.  

They have you sanitize it between horses. I actually sanitize mine twice. Before, and after.

I would also think the silver they breath will help kill any extra fungus that might be there.

I watched the guy do 3 treatments on horses while I talked to him. He didn't sanitize anything, he wiped it out with a dry rag....
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Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2015-03-21 7:05 PM
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cowgirl156 - 2015-03-21 4:58 PM

AfleetEquine - 2015-03-20 10:28 AM

rachellyn80 - 2015-03-20 10:25 AM

cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!

I'm with you...I dont' have a need for it, but have been waiting to hear if there are any fungal issues that come up with these machines.  

They have you sanitize it between horses. I actually sanitize mine twice. Before, and after.

I would also think the silver they breath will help kill any extra fungus that might be there.

I watched the guy do 3 treatments on horses while I talked to him. He didn't sanitize anything, he wiped it out with a dry rag....

Oh no! I sanitize mine!
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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2015-03-21 7:33 PM
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AfleetEquine - 2015-03-21 7:05 PM
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AfleetEquine - 2015-03-20 10:28 AM
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cowgirl156 - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM I spoke with the guy that "created this" last weekend at a barrel race. Wasn't impressed on what he had to say about it. I personally don't have a bleeder but am a RN so I have know I'm talking about when it comes to lung issues, neb treatments, etc. Anyways to me it was glorified water and as for his education on the matter he has none.....I don't know if I would throw down the $350-$700 bucks on the machine just yet. JMO....But there sure was a line up for everyone wanting the try new fad!
I'm with you...I dont' have a need for it, but have been waiting to hear if there are any fungal issues that come up with these machines.  
They have you sanitize it between horses. I actually sanitize mine twice. Before, and after. I would also think the silver they breath will help kill any extra fungus that might be there.
I watched the guy do 3 treatments on horses while I talked to him. He didn't sanitize anything, he wiped it out with a dry rag....
Oh no! I sanitize mine!

I sanitize my unit too! I have different nebuizer cups and tubes for each horse. The only thing they use the same is the actual mask which is cleaned out and sanitized.  
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Reg. Nov 2014
Posted 2015-03-22 11:59 AM
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I'm seeing some confusing things on here about Equi-Resp.
1. The product EquiSilver was created by Dr. Michael Cavey, DVM from Lexington KY. It has been used extensively in the race horse world for over 10 years. Some of the top vet clinics in the world use it on multi-million dollar horses. You can go to the EquiSilver website to learn more about the product. It has been used by the Olympic Equestrian teams that went to both London and China. Also can be used day of race at Churchill Downs. It is far from "glorified tap water". It is a patented process of silver and is 100-110 parts per million. Most colloidal silvers are 10-50 parts per million. A good test for any silver product is to pour a little in a bowl and add salt. If it has enough silver to be effective, it turns milky. EquiSilver was designed specifically for nebulization, nothing else. That is why the top three systems in the world, The Transpirator, Flexineb and Equ-iResp all have specific protocols for EquiSilver.
2. Equi-Resp was developed because the other two units mentioned above are very expensive. The Transpirator is $8400.00 and the Flexineb is $1000.00. Neither mask fit a horse properly, the Equi-Resp mask was designed with vets and engineers to ensure enough volume within the mask to work with the PSI of a horse's lungs and the gasket was designed to keep nebulized product from escaping. Why let the product go out the top and not be breathed in by the horse? 2 years of research and work went into the development. It is patent pending. It was also designed with two models, one for serious issues or multi-horse use to help get deep into the respiratory system. The smaller unit is strictly for those horses without issues but you want to keep their system clean. Both are the most cost effective units on the market that use EquiSilver.
3. All you have to do is go the Equi-Resp facebook page and see all the happy customers and great comments about how this is truly helping horses. Real, true results! I doubt anyone would make those posts if they were not seeing results.
4. If you have any questions about the product all you have to do is call the owner and developer of the company, A WOMAN, and she will be happy to answer any question you have. She is as surprised as anyone at all the great, wonderful things being said about her company and how it is TRULY helping horses.
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DunIt
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2015-03-23 8:46 AM
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Am I the only one that has had a bad experience and the vet actually tell me to quit using it? 
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Reg. Apr 2011
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Here is my question........how is silver helping? When it has been clinically proven to do absolutely nothing.....I'm sorry, but I wouldn't spending gobs on money to have my horse inhale "silver" no thanks....but then again I'm different and a cheapo 
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-03-23 9:02 AM
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SG. - 2015-03-20 2:07 PM Where is the air filter at? 

I'm going to second the question SG posed above.  With no filter, what is keeping the pollutants in the air (dust, mold, etc.) from being pushed deep into the lungs in the process of this treatment?  If there is a filter, can it be removed and cleaned?   
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Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-03-23 9:13 AM
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hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-23 9:59 AM

Here is my question........how is silver helping? When it has been clinically proven to do absolutely nothing.....I'm sorry, but I wouldn't spending gobs on money to have my horse inhale "silver" no thanks....but then again I'm different and a cheapo 

Silver has been around forever as an inhibitor of bacteria because it prevents bacteria from forming. Its currently used in human medicine for MANY different purposes for this reason.
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Reg. Apr 2011
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-23 9:13 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-23 9:59 AM Here is my question........how is silver helping? When it has been clinically proven to do absolutely nothing.....I'm sorry, but I wouldn't spending gobs on money to have my horse inhale "silver" no thanks....but then again I'm different and a cheapo 
Silver has been around forever as an inhibitor of bacteria because it prevents bacteria from forming. Its currently used in human medicine for MANY different purposes for this reason.

Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[8][9] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive "cure-all" claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications.[10][11] 
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2015-03-23 9:22 AM
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hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-22 9:59 AM

Here is my question........how is silver helping? When it has been clinically proven to do absolutely nothing.....I'm sorry, but I wouldn't spending gobs on money to have my horse inhale "silver" no thanks....but then again I'm different and a cheapo 

I tend to agree with you.
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Posted 2015-03-23 9:24 AM
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DunIt - 2015-03-23 8:46 AM

Am I the only one that has had a bad experience and the vet actually tell me to quit using it? 

we only want to hear the good stuff.



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Reg. May 2004
Posted 2015-03-23 9:25 AM
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I have the Pro model- it has two filters, one on each side of the unit.
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Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-03-23 9:27 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-23 9:13 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-23 9:59 AM Here is my question........how is silver helping? When it has been clinically proven to do absolutely nothing.....I'm sorry, but I wouldn't spending gobs on money to have my horse inhale "silver" no thanks....but then again I'm different and a cheapo 
Silver has been around forever as an inhibitor of bacteria because it prevents bacteria from forming. Its currently used in human medicine for MANY different purposes for this reason.

Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[8][9] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive "cure-all" claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications.[10][11] 

It is currently used in wound dressing for burn victims or anyone coming out of surgery with skin conditions. Had a horse stitched up at outlaw equine and he sprayed this on him. I've never seen a wound heal so quickly, sorry no pics on this computer. The silver wound spray is really amazing stuff and many vets are using it now. The silver cream for humans is extremely popular among physicians as well and I know my aunt's doctor prescribed a silver mix cream to help her with sores on her legs from poor circulation.

Wikepedia needs updated LOL

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I use the silver spray on EXTERNAL wounds as well. It does form a nice protective barrier. But that is different than pushing it to delicate lung tissues.
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Posted 2015-03-23 12:28 PM
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I LOVE MINE!!! I have tried everything under the sun for my mare to keep her IAD in check and NOTHING as worked as well as the Equi Resp! Cannot say enough great things about this product. Best money I've spent since her diagnosis. So excited to never pump another steroid into her as well!

btw, I sanitize mine ;)

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We're you told to stop using a nebulizer or the colloidal silver?
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Also, to add a note about silver -- My mare CANNOT have antibiotics. They make her sick sick and I deal with the repricussions for months following.. as I have with the steroids that were pumped into her last year. I work closely with a vet as well as a naturopath who does live blood cell analysis on her every 6-8 weeks. Her latest blood check came back with a severe bacterial infection due to her lymphatic and immune systems shutting down in response to the steroids. My naturopath put her on EXTRA strength silver that is 400ppm. She Has been on it for 5 days so far and already she is starting to feel better. Silver is considered one of the best natural antibiotics on the market.
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Colloidal silver works amazing on tooth aches too!!! I have used it on wounds as well and had good luck
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I think a horse with a respiratory issue would benefit from it. I tried it this past weekend at an NBHA with a allergies and coughs alot in the warm up pen. She did not cough this weekend and she was treated Sat and Sun. So it seems to work. My vet has even bought a unit and uses it on horses that come in with respiratory issues.
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So what is the difference between EquiResp and Silver Horse Care?
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whatadoll - 2015-03-23 11:30 AM We're you told to stop using a nebulizer or the colloidal silver?

Both
 
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The silver is different. And I cannot remember how to explain it. Hopefully Vickie James or Tonda will see this and explain it. I don't want to say anything incorrect.
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This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
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rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM

This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 

that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page

"how much is too much"

never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique
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rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 

no way jose am i ever going to use something like this on my horse! 
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arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....  water filter....   
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SG. - 2015-03-23 4:33 PM

arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....  water filter....   

 I am confused. What air filter are you talking about? It's no different then a human nebulizer.
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arion - 2015-03-23 5:15 PM

rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM

This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 

that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page

"how much is too much"

never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

Use common sense this is used to clear infections NOT everyday use unless you have a problem. Their are some ppl using this a few times weekly but some are using things other than the silver. This is not new stuff it's been used on the track for years like popular in the early 90s. It's only now become affordable for Betty barrel racer to buy it in a user friendly little on the go package.
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-03-23 5:26 PM
SG. - 2015-03-23 4:33 PM
arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique
I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....  water filter....   
 I am confused. What air filter are you talking about? It's no different then a human nebulizer.
I am asking if there is one on the air compressor 
here 
pro-model  From the video it looks like it pulls in outside air and then goes into mask and then horse breathes it right?

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SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use.
As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-
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cloverleaf - 2015-03-23 8:00 PM SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use. As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-

Thank you for answering this!!! 
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cloverleaf - 2015-03-23 8:00 PM

SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use.
As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-

 Exactly! It has an air filter that you can replace like ALL human nebulizer compressors. Actually equiresp portable compressor is a human nebulizer air compressor... I've researched and researched nebulizers for my horse that has IAD. Just before the equiresp product came out I looked in to the flexineb, which is to expensive for me right now.... so I bought a used aeromask, nebulizer cups and a hospital grade nebulizer air compressor made by medline. You replace the air filter like once or twice a year. ALL air compressors used for a nebulizer have an air filter....
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Again, there seems to be a lot of misconceptions about EquiSilver versus colloidal silver. They are as different as apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but made completely different. Someone on here brought up a link to a website supposedly about a class action lawsuit. If you click on that link to “Silver Edge” and go about 2/3 down the page, they say this:
“What’s more, a clinical study on animals was conducted several years ago in which inhalation of silver nanoparticles appeared to provide miraculous protection against pneumonia infection. “ That is a direct quote from the link provided.
EquiSilver has 10 YEARS of proven history. It was developed by a vet for equine nebulization ONLY. It is sold by some of the top vet clinics in the world and used on Olympic horses. It makes no claims of anything else. It has been written up in many articles and was part of a lecture of healing respiratory issues at this year’s AAEP conference. It is not some fly by night company trying to make a buck. It has 10 YEARS PROVEN HISTORY. Rood and Riddle and Hagyards in Lexington KY swear by it and sell it out of their pharmacies. As I have stated before, they would not use it on multi-million dollar horses if they had not researched it and knew it worked.
This is where it differs from colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is sold all over the internet and in health food stores. There are as many different makes of colloidal silver as there are websites! Silver itself has been used for centuries due to its amazing healing abilities and the fact that no one or nothing has adverse effects from it. It has been the “go to” in hospitals and wound care units for decades for serious wounds. Humans have drank it for years and have claims it cures everything from colds, acne to chigger bites. No one or nothing has ever had an adverse effect to silver other than the infamous “Blue Man” who did that on purpose. He has had no damage to his health or any organ as silver leaves the body within 24 to 48 hours.
There are so many conflicting articles about silver on the internet. All are about colloidal silver and about human use. You must separate human versus equine use and the two products. EquiSilver is the only patented silver product on the market developed by a vet strictly for equine nebulization. And if you look at the EquiResp Facebook page, based on what your peers are saying it is doing an amazing job. Between the EquiSilver and the patent pending EquiResp mask design, they are doing a great job of helping your equine partners with their respiratory issues.
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Picking one of the few positive sentences out of that entire article is irresponsible...

Here's another "quote"

 
 
Animal Studies Demonstrate Problems
 
The only two clinical safety studies I’m aware of dealing with the inhalation of silver into the lungs were conducted on laboratory rats. 
 
Both studies used laboratory engineered silver nanoparticles, rather than commercial colloidal silver.  But the idea of what happens to silver when it’s inhaled daily into the lungs for long periods of time is what was looked at.
 
The first study was a 28 day study which concluded there was no significant long-term harm to laboratory rats that were forced to inhale various levels of silver nanoparticles for varying periods of time on a daily basis for four weeks.  That’s definitely good news.  Very exciting!
 
The second study, however, was conducted on rats over a period of 13 weeks (i.e., 90 days). It concluded that there were “dose-dependent increases in lesions related to silver nanoparticle exposure, including mixed inflammatory cell infiltratechronic alveolar inflammation, and small granulomatous lesionsTarget organs for silver nanoparticles were considered to be the lungs and liver in the male and female rats. No observable adverse effect level of 100 μg/m3 is suggested from the experiments.”
 
In other words, at higher daily doses for longer periods of time there were significant negative results including chronic inflammation of the alveolar, i.e., the delicate air sacs deep within the lungs where oxygen is taken into the bloodstream. 
 
Also observed by the researchers were increases in inflamed cells, and small nodules, or tiny lumps of inflamed tissue. And silver nanoparticles apparently accumulated in the lungs and liver of the rats.
 
Interestingly, in this study there were no observable adverse effects at 100 ug/m3, or 100 micrograms of silver per cubic meter of air.  Once again, that’s at least somewhatencouraging news because it indicates that when silver is inhaled daily, there apparently are levels of silver inhalation which -- at least in the rat model -- are relatively safe even when used for weeks on end.  But beyond those levels significant negative results were indeed observed.
 
The study researchers wrote: 
 
The results…indicated that lungs and liver were the major target tissues for prolonged silver nanoparticle accumulation.
 
…Based on the test article–related effects (minimal bile-duct hyperplasia in males and females, chronic alveolar inflammation and macrophage accumulation in the lungs of males and females, and erythrocyte aggregation in females) reported in this study, we found a NOAEL of 100 ug/m3.
 
…lung function changes previously reported from this study (Sung et al., 2008) indicate significant physiological decreases in tidal volume for all dose levels in males and minute volume decreases for all dose levels in females. The origin of the difference in effects measurements remains to be resolved.
 
This basically means that over the course of 90 days of inhaling the silver nanoparticles each day, the tiny silver particles accumulated in the lungs and livers of the rats.
 
What’s more, the tiny air sacs in the lungs known as the alveoli became inflamed, and as a result lung function was significantly reduced.  The reduction in lung function was higher for male rats than it was for female rats in the study.  The researchers don’t know why.
 
Finally, macrophage accumulation in the lungs of these rats would seem to indicate the body was attempting to remove foreign substances from the lungs, i.e., the accumulated silver. 
 
A macrophage is a form of phagocyte. And a phagocyte is a cell, such as a white blood cell, that engulfs and attempts to eliminate toxic substances, waste material, harmful microorganisms, or other foreign materials in bodily tissues as well as in the bloodstream.
 
Remember, these rats were not sick.  They were simply inhaling silver nanoparticles.  So there would have been no reason for the body to send macrophages into the lungs except to remove accumulated silver particles from the lung tissues.
 
This is similar to what’s observed when people are exposed to inhalation of asbestos on a chronic basis.  The asbestos lodges in the lungs.  And the body sends in macrophages whose job is to attempt to rid the area of the accumulated foreign objects by engulfing them. 
 
In short, macrophages are the “clean-up crew” of the human body, and they’re only called in when there’s something to clean up.
 
This demonstrates pretty much beyond any shadow of a doubt that silver particles, when inhaled regularly, over long periods of time, can become embedded in the soft tissues of the lungs and cause a decrease in lung function.
 
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....and no my post wasn't about "some class action lawsuit"...it was about irresponsibly promoting a product with no long-term studies behind it. This is a dangerous product and it doesn't matter what the differences are. Horses can't talk and you won't know that there's a problem until you can't fix it. 
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to be fair...

"Also, it’s important to note that these rats were exposed to what appear to be ungodly levels of silver nanoparticles – up to six hours a day in an inhalation chamber."
I will not be nebulizing my horse for 6 hours a day for 90 days.
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workerbee - 2015-03-24 11:24 AM

to be fair...

"Also, it’s important to note that these rats were exposed to what appear to be ungodly levels of silver nanoparticles – up to six hours a day in an inhalation chamber."
I will not be nebulizing my horse for 6 hours a day for 90 days.

I mean I hope these ppl aren't using the silver care for extended periods of time. Use common sense ppl!! This is a great therapy when used CORRECTLY. If your so worried speak with your vet about the different combinations of medicines/breathing treatments you can use. Silver is only one.

You would think you ppl would be more concerned about the steroids being used and how "unfair" it is SMH
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Actually anything can become imbedded in your lungs and cause damage.. pollution, dirt, etc. If you take to much of anything, even vitamins, you can irreparably harm yourself.
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First want to thank Extreme Veteran for helping people understand that the amount given to the mice was much more than you would typically do. Up to six hours a day. And the final call in both studies was that at a smaller dose there was NOAEL which stands for No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level (toxicology studies)
The longest protocol EquiSilver has is 30 minutes a day for 8 days with a day off after every two, and states to consult your veterinarian if condition persist, then a once weekly maintenance. There is nothing anywhere stating daily use at high levels. 15 cc is recommended dosage.
The study by Dr. Thomas Tobin states:
"A major limiting factor in equine performance is low grade respiratory tract infections. Chelated Silver inhalation eliminates infections in the respiratory tract by generating reactive oxygen species and these reactive species are active against all types of microorganisms, including bacteria, fungi and viruses. These therapeutic benefits have the potential to translate into improved athletic performance while still meeting the criteria for therapeutic medication."
[Dr. Thomas Tobin. Veterinarian, Pharmacologist, Toxicologist, author of “Drugs and the Performance horse”]
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the great thing is you don’t have to use a product you don’t want to. Those who are, are seeing amazing results and posting them. All Equi-Resp did was bring more affordable equipment to the market to utilize a product that has a proven history.
I will continue to state, 10 YEARS PROVEN HISTORY, used by top vets around the country and worldwide. Approved for day of race use in most states. All natural and in some cases based on FB post, replacing Lasik and approved by owners vets. I think the confusion comes in the fact that the Equi-Resp equipment is new on the market, not the EquiSilver. But with the two combined we are seeing great results.
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CanCan - 2015-03-20 10:30 AM

I wouldn't hook my horse up to a mask and tubing that had been used on 50 other horses. I don't care what they say. Hospitals aren't sharing this equipment among humans for a reason.

My daughter actually had bronchiolitis and we used a "loaner" nebulizer from the doctor. The machines can be safely shared as long as they're maintained, there is a new, personal mask for each user.
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I will also add that I have had multiple vets recommend the silver over albuterol. I really think you need to pick your battles. If your horse has severe allergies would you rather load him up on Dex (which I have personally seen founder a horse) or albuterol, or use the silver?
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AfleetEquine - 2015-03-25 4:32 AM

I will also add that I have had multiple vets recommend the silver over albuterol. I really think you need to pick your battles. If your horse has severe allergies would you rather load him up on Dex (which I have personally seen founder a horse) or albuterol, or use the silver?

I LOVE this post!!! I am living first hand the results of dex. not founder but a million other issues. Yes, there are horses that can handle the steroid better than others. there are horses out there (like mine) that it literally can't! I'll take my chances with silver thanks!
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This one is from Big Dee's Tack & Vet Supplies
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Check out Big Dee's Tack & Vet Supplies They have a nice setup for $289.95
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I suggest you look at using a good omega three supplement like the new Alltech algae based ones or even an oz or two of fish oil a day or at least a cup of milled flax a day. The research indicates that this changes the membrane in the red blood cell so it folds up and goes through the micro capillaries a lot easier. This may help circulation in the lungs.

This is not a cure just a support for the horse and the omega three fatty acids act as a natural anti inflammatory anyways. Most performance horses have some bleeding and lung inflammation so it should help.

This is on top of any other stuff you choose.

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AfleetEquine - 2015-03-25 6:32 AM I will also add that I have had multiple vets recommend the silver over albuterol. I really think you need to pick your battles. If your horse has severe allergies would you rather load him up on Dex (which I have personally seen founder a horse) or albuterol, or use the silver?



My vet just told me yesterday to give my horse a breathing treatment every day for a week to help clear up a respiratory issue.  Has anyone actually had a horse get worse or sick using equiresp or the like? I've only heard of horses getting better and bleeders who stop bleeding. I want to hear the bad stories too. If they exist.

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I have a horse currently in ICU and the only thing we changed was he was given two breathing treatments.
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What happened with you? I have a horse currently in ICU at UF and the only thing we added was breathing treatments. He had one on a Sunday and the other Wednesday am... by Wednesday evening he had a 106 fever and 80 bpm heart rate.
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