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| I see lots of recommendations for the Total Care and Immune. Do they make a product for ulcers? | |
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| Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
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| ShortnRound - 2015-10-18 7:29 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
What is your prerace routine? THe Total care will cover gut, allergies, and inflammation. | |
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| after only 2 weeks on EQ Stomach, my picky (sometimes not eating at all) horse was licking the feed trough clean. He has been on promazole (sp) powder for years but I am amazed at the difference cur ost stomach has made. He has gained weight, top line filling out & just overall looks great. Almost finished with first month on Stomach formula & the EQ Plus formula. | |
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| I keep looking into them but my eye keeps seeing cleverly done marketing. They keep saying there is science behind it but science implies there are facts and I just see statements and not research results even though they have a section for this. There are no case study results even though they have claimed so if there product is so great why wouldn't they want to share that? Not being a fun killer just asking real questions. | |
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| You should go to secondvet.vom and ask Dr. Tom. He is the one who developed and makes Cur-Ost. He had my horse on Stomach and Adapt for a couple months and now he has him on the Total. He is doing amazing.
All you people who keep talking about the science crack me up, the horse doesn't lie. He can't. If you have spent YEARS trying to turn your horse around doing what the vets and their "science" have told you to do and get no results and then you try an alternative treatment and it WORKS, THAT is MY science. And to tell the truth, I find it insulting that you assume we are not smart enough or don't care enough to do our own research on products. You are probably really nice people, just trying to help, but I am tired of being treated condescendingly by the medical and science communities. I have had to go outside of the box to treat my own medical problems with good success. | |
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| LOL woah there if you claim science behind somthing woulnt you show it? Pretty sure wanting 90bucks for a small bag would merit that If you claim it. People have a right to be scepticle it has NOTHING to do with you and your choices. Horse owners are notorious for doing everything they can for there equine athlete/ partner .
Company/vets/holistic gurus take advantage of that knowing we will pay any dollar amount to make our horses faster/stronger/sounder I refuse to not ask questions. PS I give products that vets don't make a penny off of and they can't write a script for.... O and they have case studies that prove they work. 
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Location: Midwest | There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-19 7:55 AM
There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
YES!!!!!!! I'm going to send you my PM you my email because yes I would like to see what he found. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Would you spend money on a study if your product is already selling well? Maybe an independent researcher will get interested and do something.
I did my own experiment and after a month, I'm convinced enough to re-order that $$$tuff. My horse's breathing and eyesight are mucho improved despite the extremely dry/dusty/polleny fall season. He's the only one that's not got a warmup cough (including me!). It went away about day 5. He is no longer shying constantly, he ran stronger yesterday than he has in over a year, and went in focused and ready instead of reluctant. That was his second run since being on Cur-ost. | |
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Location: North Dakota | All I know is I have been trying out their people inflammation stuff and it hasn't made a lick of difference for my back but it seems to be helping my knees. The jury is still out though, so we'll see, but I had my first totally pain free day in nearly 3 years after starting this product. IMO lack of scientific evidence does not constitute lack of performance. Just because this hasn't been independently tested to the high heavens doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means that if you are curious, get some for yourself and do your own independent testing. | |
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Location: NE Texas | I don't think there is any cleverly done marketing on this product, in fact there is literally NO marketing or advertising done. I found this product literally by chance and out of desperation and my own research when trying to save my horse when vets had given me no other options for further treatment. I began to share about it after my results were so dramatic, but I wouldn't consider that advertising or marketing...just my story and my results from using a product that I'd never heard of previous to my purchasing it. I use the total support now on all 4 of my horses. I did have to the immune and repair for the first 90 days on my copd horse but due to his sickness and the seriousness of our situation, it was a small price to pay after the thousands I'd spent at the vet. I've used other products through the years, along with Rx products and not had anywhere near the results I'm having with the Cur-OST. Not to mention the results a coworker has had with her fibromyalgia. Both my story amd hers can be read in full on the Cur-OST thread on the product research forum.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 9:22 PM
ShortnRound - 2015-10-18 7:29 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
What is your prerace routine? THe Total care will cover gut, allergies, and inflammation.
Pre race my horse gets Ranitidine and Jailbreak for his tummy.
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| One of Curost's featured ingredients is BCM 95. Here's plenty of case studies if you're interested in reading. There's even a study involving racehorses.
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-19 5:55 AM
There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
Here is a very simple solution, if you don't trust it, think it wasnt tested well enough, or is a marketing scheme, then DON'T BUY IT..... I gave it a try like many others because I was at my witts end with DRUGS from my VET that were " Tested" and "FDA APPROVED" and they didnt do %^*(& for my horse. Curost has been a life and game changer and that is proof enough. SO if your not happy with any part of it, don't buy it. Very simple. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I dont think horse owners are bias at all. Yes we want our horses to look and feel great! Thats why so many try different things to see if works. Sometime you have to think outside the box because what works on one horse may not work for the next horse!
As far as Curost I love them for my barrel horse with COPD. and also one thing bout this vet he doesnt try to sell the product it sells on its own. Example being he could really monopolize on ulcers! because it is so common but if you read his responses and he has said more than once that if you have ulcers you should use the stomach with the Total support for 30 days and then try without the stomache formula. If he was trying to take our money it would be easy to say that you need the stomache product forever with the total support and along with blah blah blah. He also states that every horse is different and you may need to try different things to figure out what you actually need as far as his products.
Just like renew gold is not for every horse. (not picking on renew gold because I do feed it) just an example | |
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Location: Texas | how much does it cost per month? I was briefly looking at products.. which one is best for bone and joint problems | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I spoke to Dr. Schell at length both by email and on a call about my gelding who is having some coffin bone and navicular issues, not really bad but he is a big horse and 14 this year so want to make sure I'm doing it right for him. We did a shot of Osphos at the vet last Monday to try to jump ahead of everything, made the necessary shoeing changes as well as found an old enormous abscess in the right front which he had come up sore on several times over the last 6 months or so. Dr. Schell recommended the Total Support for him and said that if it wasn't enough that they could add any other support product to that formula if need be. I had dove into the Cur_ost before I had spoken to Dr. Schell and had order the Green which seemed to be helping significantly already and I've had good luck with it also on my Head Shaker mare too. | |
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Location: Midwest | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-19 10:16 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-19 5:55 AM There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
Here is a very simple solution, if you don't trust it, think it wasnt tested well enough, or is a marketing scheme, then DON'T BUY IT..... I gave it a try like many others because I was at my witts end with DRUGS from my VET that were " Tested" and "FDA APPROVED" and they didnt do %^* (& for my horse. Curost has been a life and game changer and that is proof enough. SO if your not happy with any part of it, don't buy it. Very simple.
That's the plan.
Sorry you were angered/frustrated by my response. It certainly was not my intention. I was just trying to explain my perspective and give some background regarding the scientific process.
For the record, I do use some alternative-type therapies on my horse. I feel they are helpful, and the cost-benefit ratio of my choices fits my budget. If people buy this product and it works for them, cool. In no way was I making a commetary on others' choices- I was just explaining mine. Honestly, I could not care less what other people do with their animals, time and money. I think it is important to recognize that we are all just trying to do the best we can for our animals within our means.
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Location: Midwest | Meant to add, the studies are there to increase your odds of finding what is effective. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Alison, you have to admit there are some very in the box thinkers out there who poop on anything that's not "scientifically proven" and FDA approved. In some cases (thinking of a certain vet who posts on FB a lot) even FDA approval isn't enough. The snootiness of those folks tends to put people on the defensive any time the subject is brought up. I do understand the value of studies and good science, but I'm an adventurous sort. My dad has always been the first in line to sign up for research tests and trials on our farm, so I guess that's where I got it.  | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I have a mare that was on Allergy shots, and various other things during race day and pre race. I was sick of dumping all this money and still not feeling she was ever 100%. Granted she had pnemonia last fall and I wasn't sure she would ever come back I was grateful for what she was doing, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
I stopped EVERYTHING, all my supplements, allergy shots, processed feeds. And let me tell you I was freaking out about it. I stopped it all Sept. 18th, she was due for an allergy shot that day. I started Cur OST the following wednesday and haven't looked back.
She is on Total and Immune, I'll probably keep her on Immune for 90 days. She is doing fantastic and I haven't given any time off during the transition. Believe me I asked 100 times if I should or not. She is firing harder and looks and feels GREAT. Let me know if you want to see my before and after CurOst at 14 days. I've posted it on other threads too :) I'm due for a new comparison pic this week too!
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Location: NE Texas | I would encourage everyone, both those interested in the Cur-OST and those that aren't to also reevaluate your feeding program as well. When I started this journey I was still feeding expensive processed feed and grass hay. About 45 - 60 days in I had already such improvement in my horse that I took Dr Schell's advice and changed over to whole oats once daily, just as a medium for the Cur-OST. I also changed to a better quality hay amd feed solely alfalfa and my horse took another big step in the right direction. Diet is such an integral part of the equation. I describe it as a diabetic eating alot of sugar and then relying on medications to keep their blood sugar under control. The medication should be secondary only to a proper diet. With the use of this product it has opened my eyes to a better way to care for my horses starting with what they consume. Yes, the Cur-OST is a HUGE part of my program and has saved one horses life. It's a product I will never be without and the only supplement I will ever feed. Yes, it is expensive but my feed/supplement Bill has gone way down due to no longer having to buy a pro or prebiotoc, an ulcer supplement, a breathing supplement, a joint supplement, feed that cost almost $30 a bag, etc. It has simplified things for me, and I have horses that look good, feel good, are focused and performing. Worth every penny in my book. | |
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| Herbie - 2015-10-19 12:06 PM
I would encourage everyone, both those interested in the Cur-OST and those that aren't to also reevaluate your feeding program as well. When I started this journey I was still feeding expensive processed feed and grass hay. About 45 - 60 days in I had already such improvement in my horse that I took Dr Schell's advice and changed over to whole oats once daily, just as a medium for the Cur-OST. I also changed to a better quality hay amd feed solely alfalfa and my horse took another big step in the right direction. Diet is such an integral part of the equation. I describe it as a diabetic eating alot of sugar and then relying on medications to keep their blood sugar under control. The medication should be secondary only to a proper diet. With the use of this product it has opened my eyes to a better way to care for my horses starting with what they consume. Yes, the Cur-OST is a HUGE part of my program and has saved one horses life. It's a product I will never be without and the only supplement I will ever feed. Yes, it is expensive but my feed/supplement Bill has gone way down due to no longer having to buy a pro or prebiotoc, an ulcer supplement, a breathing supplement, a joint supplement, feed that cost almost $30 a bag, etc. It has simplified things for me, and I have horses that look good, feel good, are focused and performing. Worth every penny in my book.
Forgive me Herbie, I have heard so much conflicting information about feeding oats to an Ulcer horse. My guy is already on straight alfalfa. You feed whole oats and which formulations of Cur ost? How many pounds of oats are you feeding a day? | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | If any one is questioning the expense of the Curost products you need to go to Secondvet.com and look up Dr. Schells forum post on transparency in business. I have never seen this information put out publicly from any other company, in fact with most supplement companies you probably couldn't get this info if you asked for it.
Just take Platinum for instance, I know the vets get it way cheaper than the general public ordering off the website plus the vets don't pay shipping. Of course the vets will recommend it, it is a good product and they make pretty good money off of it. Then you factor in the cost of all the sponsorships and ad campaigns, makes you wonder what percentage of your dollar actually goes to the ingredients and manufacturing of the supplement. Not knocking Platinum, just using them as an example, I'm sure many other companies do the exact same thing.
As far as a product being FDA approved, honestly that doesn't mean much to me. Omeprazole has been studied and is FDA approved and proven to heal stomach ulcers in horses so people hold it up as the gold standard. On the racetrack, vets pretty much think every horse should be on a maintenance dose all the time and owners and trainers feel comfortable with that because it is FDA approved and recommended by a vet. Of course no studies have ever been done on the long term effects of daily omeprazole use in young, growing animals that are being raced and trained at high rates of speed. Factor in Lasix use and clenbuterol or other anabolics and I think this is part of the reason so many race horses just don't hold up over time and I wonder if this may be part of the reason so many race horses need to have so many joints injected as often as they do.
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| Herbie - 2015-10-19 1:06 PM
I would encourage everyone, both those interested in the Cur-OST and those that aren't to also reevaluate your feeding program as well. When I started this journey I was still feeding expensive processed feed and grass hay. About 45 - 60 days in I had already such improvement in my horse that I took Dr Schell's advice and changed over to whole oats once daily, just as a medium for the Cur-OST. I also changed to a better quality hay amd feed solely alfalfa and my horse took another big step in the right direction. Diet is such an integral part of the equation. I describe it as a diabetic eating alot of sugar and then relying on medications to keep their blood sugar under control. The medication should be secondary only to a proper diet. With the use of this product it has opened my eyes to a better way to care for my horses starting with what they consume. Yes, the Cur-OST is a HUGE part of my program and has saved one horses life. It's a product I will never be without and the only supplement I will ever feed. Yes, it is expensive but my feed/supplement Bill has gone way down due to no longer having to buy a pro or prebiotoc, an ulcer supplement, a breathing supplement, a joint supplement, feed that cost almost $30 a bag, etc. It has simplified things for me, and I have horses that look good, feel good, are focused and performing. Worth every penny in my book.
whole heartedly agree with you Herbie. Although I am feeding Omni cubes, but that is because I don't know where the feed stores down here in South Texas get their alfalfa from. I am really scared of the blister beetles since my sister had one die a terrible death due to these insects. So I chose to feed the Omni's. | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Not having to feed processed feeds is so worth the price of CurOst.
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Location: NE Texas | ShortnRound - 2015-10-19 1:12 PM
Herbie - 2015-10-19 12:06 PM
I would encourage everyone, both those interested in the Cur-OST and those that aren't to also reevaluate your feeding program as well. When I started this journey I was still feeding expensive processed feed and grass hay. About 45 - 60 days in I had already such improvement in my horse that I took Dr Schell's advice and changed over to whole oats once daily, just as a medium for the Cur-OST. I also changed to a better quality hay amd feed solely alfalfa and my horse took another big step in the right direction. Diet is such an integral part of the equation. I describe it as a diabetic eating alot of sugar and then relying on medications to keep their blood sugar under control. The medication should be secondary only to a proper diet. With the use of this product it has opened my eyes to a better way to care for my horses starting with what they consume. Yes, the Cur-OST is a HUGE part of my program and has saved one horses life. It's a product I will never be without and the only supplement I will ever feed. Yes, it is expensive but my feed/supplement Bill has gone way down due to no longer having to buy a pro or prebiotoc, an ulcer supplement, a breathing supplement, a joint supplement, feed that cost almost $30 a bag, etc. It has simplified things for me, and I have horses that look good, feel good, are focused and performing. Worth every penny in my book.
Forgive me Herbie, I have heard so much conflicting information about feeding oats to an Ulcer horse. My guy is already on straight alfalfa. You feed whole oats and which formulations of Cur ost? How many pounds of oats are you feeding a day?
I completely understand, believe me. I feed a half scoop of oats once daily. That's it. Alfalfa morning and jiggy and my horses stay turned out but there really isn't any grass left. I was terrified to get my horses off the high dollar feed and just knew they'd fall off but the didnt. They have all flourished on this program. I use the Total Support on all 4. Used the Immune and Repair for the first 90 days on my copd horse. I completely agree with barn mom's post above as well. We'll said, barnmom! | |
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| So I have a question. In people they used to treat for ulcers now they call it acid reflux. I have also read where people really didn't have an ulcer, they had a virus, I also had a doctor tell my other half because he has been on acid reducer pills like forever and the doc asked him why he took it every day if he did have any acid reflux issues that day. Because previous doctor told him to. Now my question is: Is it an ulcer in a horse or too much acid in the stomach that causes the gut to go out of balance so to speak. And wouldn't the acid be controlled by diet? Just curious question that I have. I have my horses on THE MM and a joint, tendon, immune and circulatory formula added in and they seem to be doing great. | |
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Fda approval is not the only thing I look at. I will also look at other countries' usage of something, research, and the length of time a product has been on the market. FDA approval is rigorous to achieve, and for supplements is not profitable for most companies. Pentosan is one product I love and is not FDA approved; however it has a long history of use in other countries. It does require an Rx, but is cheaper than other products with approval.
On on the flip side you have Legend, which is approved but I have read conflicting info on. My vet isn't keen on the cost-benefit ratio either.
I am typically not against trying products that are affordable and GRAS, but I also work with my vet. She's pretty open minded to trying products but will tell me when she thinks something is a waste of money. | |
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| Sandok - 2015-10-19 3:18 PM
So I have a question. In people they used to treat for ulcers now they call it acid reflux. I have also read where people really didn't have an ulcer, they had a virus, I also had a doctor tell my other half because he has been on acid reducer pills like forever and the doc asked him why he took it every day if he did have any acid reflux issues that day. Because previous doctor told him to. Now my question is: Is it an ulcer in a horse or too much acid in the stomach that causes the gut to go out of balance so to speak. And wouldn't the acid be controlled by diet? Just curious question that I have. I have my horses on THE MM and a joint, tendon, immune and circulatory formula added in and they seem to be doing great.
Yes to answer your question horses with ulcers have a excess of acid. But on the flip side you don't want to do away with all the acid by using a acid inhibitor. If THE is working I wouldn't try to fix something that's not broke. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | readytorodeo - 2015-10-19 5:48 PM
Sandok - 2015-10-19 3:18 PM
So I have a question. In people they used to treat for ulcers now they call it acid reflux. I have also read where people really didn't have an ulcer, they had a virus, I also had a doctor tell my other half because he has been on acid reducer pills like forever and the doc asked him why he took it every day if he did have any acid reflux issues that day. Because previous doctor told him to. Now my question is: Is it an ulcer in a horse or too much acid in the stomach that causes the gut to go out of balance so to speak. And wouldn't the acid be controlled by diet? Just curious question that I have. I have my horses on THE MM and a joint, tendon, immune and circulatory formula added in and they seem to be doing great.
Yes to answer your question horses with ulcers have a excess of acid. But on the flip side you don't want to do away with all the acid by using a acid inhibitor. If THE is working I wouldn't try to fix something that's not broke.
I have been enjoying this tread with little to offer until now. About ulcers. They are different from acid reflux. Acid reflux is when stomach acids get into the esophagus (tube from the mouth to the stomach) causing irritation. Ulcers are sores in the stomach lining that begin as inflammation and advance to a lesion that then usually gets a bacterial infection. These are different problems. Not all ulcers are diet related, but I believe most are. Diet related ulcers are usually the result of activity while the horses stomach is empty that causes acid to irritate the upper, non-glandular, stomach lining. The lower part of the stomach is glandular, produces the acid, and is usually resistant to it. Your horse can get ulcers in the glandular portion of the stomach if certain medications are used for long periods of time that effect blood circulation to the glandular tissue. I am often asked what to do about ulcers, and have a pretty standard answer. First treat them. Second change your management practice to greatly lessen the chance of ulcers being formed again. Stomach acid is there for a reason so feeding something to greatly reduce it is not the answer. Basing your diet on forage, and having that available at all times goes a long way to preventing future ulcers. Greatly limit or eliminate grain based feeds. There are a lot of reasons to do this, and ulcers are just one. Keep your horse teeth in proper condition so that it can chew comfortably. This is the most overlooked problem related to ulcers, even by many vets. Horses only make saliva when they chew. Saliva, along with a continual supply of forage, is the natural buffer for stomach acid. A horse that can't chew comfortably will chew less. This means less saliva, and less buffer in the stomach. So, treat, adjust your forage availability, eliminate grain, and check teeth. Follow this guideline and you will have little need for ulcer treatments or supplements. I am not knocking Cur Ost, I hear very positive things about it for a lot of uses. But, I feel the best way to deal with ulcers is not to get them to begin with.
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| If you are wanting science based studies look at the individual ingredients listed in these products. I googled every ingredient listed in the total individually and found tons of information, including case studies in horses by vets, human studies and lab rats. I don't personally feed curost however I do feed pure forms of some of the ingredients. The spirulina is a human superfood and there have been MANY studies done to support its potency and ability to "treat" allergies.
As a human nutritionist I cannot express this enough DIET, DIET, DIET! Processed grains, poor quality hay are terrible for the horse. I eat clean 90% of the time enjoying an occasional cheat meal and there are times I fall completely off the wagon but I end up feeling like crap. My body becomes inflammatory and I ache. It's scientifically proven in humans that processed foods do this to your body as much as clean, healthy eating CAN and will decrease inflammation and illness.
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| iloveequine40 - 2015-10-20 6:09 AM
If you are wanting science based studies look at the individual ingredients listed in these products. I googled every ingredient listed in the total individually and found tons of information, including case studies in horses by vets, human studies and lab rats. I don't personally feed curost however I do feed pure forms of some of the ingredients. The spirulina is a human superfood and there have been MANY studies done to support its potency and ability to "treat" allergies.
As a human nutritionist I cannot express this enough DIET, DIET, DIET! Processed grains, poor quality hay are terrible for the horse. I eat clean 90% of the time enjoying an occasional cheat meal and there are times I fall completely off the wagon but I end up feeling like crap. My body becomes inflammatory and I ache. It's scientifically proven in humans that processed foods do this to your body as much as clean, healthy eating CAN and will decrease inflammation and illness.
Do I believe in medicine, YES but it is not always my first thought. We live in a world where a quick fix ie medicine is sought constantly bc we want instant results.
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Location: NE Texas | iloveequine40 - 2015-10-20 6:09 AM
If you are wanting science based studies look at the individual ingredients listed in these products. I googled every ingredient listed in the total individually and found tons of information, including case studies in horses by vets, human studies and lab rats. I don't personally feed curost however I do feed pure forms of some of the ingredients. The spirulina is a human superfood and there have been MANY studies done to support its potency and ability to "treat" allergies.
As a human nutritionist I cannot express this enough DIET, DIET, DIET! Processed grains, poor quality hay are terrible for the horse. I eat clean 90% of the time enjoying an occasional cheat meal and there are times I fall completely off the wagon but I end up feeling like crap. My body becomes inflammatory and I ache. It's scientifically proven in humans that processed foods do this to your body as much as clean, healthy eating CAN and will decrease inflammation and illness.
Do I believe in medicine, YES but it is not always my first thought. We live in a world where a quick fix ie medicine is sought constantly bc we want instant results.
I would love to discuss ways to improve my own diet. Thank you for sharing and I couldn't agree with you more. I admittedly take way better care of my horses than I do myself....partly because of convenience, partly due to time, and partly bc I have spent a lot less time educating myself to the right way to eat. :( | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Herbie - 2015-10-20 8:13 AM iloveequine40 - 2015-10-20 6:09 AM If you are wanting science based studies look at the individual ingredients listed in these products. I googled every ingredient listed in the total individually and found tons of information, including case studies in horses by vets, human studies and lab rats. I don't personally feed curost however I do feed pure forms of some of the ingredients. The spirulina is a human superfood and there have been MANY studies done to support its potency and ability to "treat" allergies. As a human nutritionist I cannot express this enough DIET, DIET, DIET! Processed grains, poor quality hay are terrible for the horse. I eat clean 90% of the time enjoying an occasional cheat meal and there are times I fall completely off the wagon but I end up feeling like crap. My body becomes inflammatory and I ache. It's scientifically proven in humans that processed foods do this to your body as much as clean, healthy eating CAN and will decrease inflammation and illness. Do I believe in medicine, YES but it is not always my first thought. We live in a world where a quick fix ie medicine is sought constantly bc we want instant results. I would love to discuss ways to improve my own diet. Thank you for sharing and I couldn't agree with you more. I admittedly take way better care of my horses than I do myself....partly because of convenience, partly due to time, and partly bc I have spent a lot less time educating myself to the right way to eat. : (
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| Herbie, you are more than welcome to pm me. "Diet" is hard for so many people because our view of food. We use it to show love, entertain, comfort, and nutritional necessity is often an after thought. All the technology and "advancements" to make our lives easier, to be more convenient to "create" more time for other things and yet we're still too busy, too stressed, unhealthy, unhappy.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | So all of you that are using the product on your horses, (especially the ones with allergies) are you going to feed this all year round, or take them off of it during the winter months? | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Mainer-racer - 2015-10-20 11:14 AM So all of you that are using the product on your horses, (especially the ones with allergies) are you going to feed this all year round, or take them off of it during the winter months?
I will feed year round because I am a worry wart. It was hard enough for me to make the jump without losing it, haha! | |
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Location: NE Texas | Mainer-racer - 2015-10-20 11:14 AM
So all of you that are using the product on your horses, (especially the ones with allergies) are you going to feed this all year round, or take them off of it during the winter months?
Absolutely will feed it year round. It's getting the immune response under control through the gut that is allowing the allergies to be controlled. We are now treating the source of the issue rather than the outward response were seeing (allergies and gastric upset in my particular case). I won't risk anything relapsing to save a few dollars through the winter. It was winter when my horse got so bad in the first place. I personally feel that winter is worse for my hirse due to the dusty and moly indoor barns and dust in my own barn that I can't control. | |
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Location: NE Texas | iloveequine40 - 2015-10-20 10:54 AM
Herbie, you are more than welcome to pm me. "Diet" is hard for so many people because our view of food. We use it to show love, entertain, comfort, and nutritional necessity is often an after thought. All the technology and "advancements" to make our lives easier, to be more convenient to "create" more time for other things and yet we're still too busy, too stressed, unhealthy, unhappy.
I will Def do that! I'm on vaca this week and difficult to type on my phone, but will try to get in my iPad or computer and give you a shout, as I definitely need help in this area! | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Herbie - 2015-10-20 12:13 PM Mainer-racer - 2015-10-20 11:14 AM So all of you that are using the product on your horses, (especially the ones with allergies) are you going to feed this all year round, or take them off of it during the winter months? Absolutely will feed it year round. It's getting the immune response under control through the gut that is allowing the allergies to be controlled. We are now treating the source of the issue rather than the outward response were seeing (allergies and gastric upset in my particular case ). I won't risk anything relapsing to save a few dollars through the winter. It was winter when my horse got so bad in the first place. I personally feel that winter is worse for my hirse due to the dusty and moly indoor barns and dust in my own barn that I can't control.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Thank you! My horse was just dx on early signs of COPD - season is basically over up here so I think I'll start the 1st of the year. Thank you! | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Has there been any research on long term use of these products? | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I'm sure you could google each ingredient and see what it does when used long term?
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Nevertooold - 2015-10-20 2:25 PM Thanks!
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and a disclaimer I am no way affiliated with Cur Ost in any way. I just stumbled across it like the rest of you and thankfully it has helped my horse immensely!
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| Mainer-racer - 2015-10-20 10:14 AM
So all of you that are using the product on your horses, (especially the ones with allergies) are you going to feed this all year round, or take them off of it during the winter months?
This same question, or do you take a few days off every few weeks. And can you use an NSAID with it? | |
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Location: NE Texas | I take no days off and haven't had a need for an NSAID since I've been feeding it. The product itself offers alot of anti-inflammatory herbs. | |
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