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Clayton/Scamper
trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2020-12-25 12:56 PM
Subject: Clayton/Scamper


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Curious what ever happened with Clayton?  Has he produced anything?  Is he still around?  

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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2020-12-25 12:58 PM
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He's around. I know a lady with a two year old. I haven't heard much. Ditto is NICE

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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2020-12-25 1:03 PM
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Thanks!  I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere for years- didn't know if something had happened to him.

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-12-27 5:14 AM
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The idea of cloning does not sit well with many people.  Charmayne not running barrels on him tells you volumes.

 

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Quick3
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2020-12-28 9:58 AM
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I was thinking about Clayton and the Hot Shot clones the other day.  Also the three Frenchmans Guy clones.  I've not heard a word about them since they were first announced.  I kind of think the clone thing was an experiment that just didn't really pan out.  The RIO for the process had to be pretty low. 

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2020-12-28 10:04 AM
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Quick3 - 2020-12-28 10:58 AM


I was thinking about Clayton and the Hot Shot clones the other day.  Also the three Frenchmans Guy clones.  I've not heard a word about them since they were first announced.  I kind of think the clone thing was an experiment that just didn't really pan out.  The RIO for the process had to be pretty low. 


what's a RIO ?

 

 

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Quick3
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2020-12-28 10:12 AM
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1DSoon - 2020-12-28 10:04 AM


Quick3 - 2020-12-28 10:58 AM


I was thinking about Clayton and the Hot Shot clones the other day.  Also the three Frenchmans Guy clones.  I've not heard a word about them since they were first announced.  I kind of think the clone thing was an experiment that just didn't really pan out.  The RIO for the process had to be pretty low. 



what's a RIO ?


 


 


Sorry, ROI...... return on investment.

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euchee
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2020-12-28 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Clayton/Scamper



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Pretty sure the horse that Taylor has been running,  ANOTHER SHOT OF LICORICE is Hot Shots clone and she has been making some really nice runs on him.

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2020-12-28 3:45 PM
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euchee - 2020-12-28 12:03 PM

Pretty sure the horse that Taylor has been running,  ANOTHER SHOT OF LICORICE is Hot Shots clone and she has been making some really nice runs on him.

You are correct, he is the offspring of Hot shots clone  and he us making a really nice horse.



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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2020-12-28 4:25 PM
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Ditto is a winner. Maybe the process has been refined. Ditto is four. How old are the Hot Shot clones now?

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Quick3
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2020-12-28 4:42 PM
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CanCan - 2020-12-28 4:25 PM


Ditto is a winner. Maybe the process has been refined. Ditto is four. How old are the Hot Shot clones now?


Who is Ditto?  

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Flashin The County
Reg. Aug 2010
Posted 2020-12-28 4:56 PM
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They have some really nice babies coming up by Another Shot.  They bred him to some really good mares, so it's a pretty safe bet that there will be some good ones hitting the barrel pen in the next few years.

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2020-12-28 8:18 PM
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Ditto is the Latte clone that Carley Cervi has been riding for Mary Walker.



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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2020-12-29 7:03 PM
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SKM - 2020-12-28 8:18 PM


The Latte clone that Carley Cervi has been riding for Mary Walker.


She stalled them behind me at Sr. World. It was so weird to stand there and look at the two completely different geldings and know they were basically the same horse.

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hotpaints
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2021-01-01 6:29 PM
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The FG clones were for semen. That is my opinion. Personally, I would not spend the money to breed to FG because of the clones  

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bayonetquarterhorses
Reg. May 2020
Posted 2021-01-02 2:25 PM
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I just dont get spending all of the money that gets invested on getting a foal on the ground, to have a grade horse. Or did AQHA change their poli y on accepting/registering clones?

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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2021-01-02 3:16 PM
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I don't think AQHA would register them if they were not by FG himself, last I checked they aren't accepting clones as AQHA sires?

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Flashin The County
Reg. Aug 2010
Posted 2021-01-02 8:02 PM
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trickster j - 2021-01-02 3:16 PM


I don't think AQHA would register them if they were not by FG himself, last I checked they aren't accepting clones as AQHA sires?


They would have no way of knowing.  The DNA would be the same.

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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2021-01-03 7:23 AM
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Flashin The County - 2021-01-02 6:02 PM


trickster j - 2021-01-02 3:16 PM


I don't think AQHA would register them if they were not by FG himself, last I checked they aren't accepting clones as AQHA sires?



They would have no way of knowing.  The DNA would be the same.


  I guess you're right...

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JLazyT_perf_horses
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2021-01-06 11:47 AM
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Frodo - 2020-12-27 5:14 AM


The idea of cloning does not sit well with many people.  Charmayne not running barrels on him tells you volumes.


 


She said from the start she wasn't going to run him 

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2021-01-07 8:46 AM
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Charmayne was in a no win situation. If she ran him and he wasn't as good as Scamper, people would have hung the horse out to dry over it. As much as it cost to create that horse, would you really want to risk injury by running him when your sole purpose was to use him for the genetics he had? Doubtful.

Actually all but one of the FG clones were gelded I believe. So that sort of blows the theory of them being for semen only.

Blaise Bercequey has been running her Red Man Bay clone. He was doing pretty good but got injured. I'm not sure if he's healed yet or not.

Ditto, the Latte clone has been doing well.

A friend of mine has ridden two get of the Hotshot clone. She said both were very talented and athletic. She's a fan as far as his siring abilities are going. 

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TheOldGrayMare
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2021-01-12 11:24 PM
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hotpaints - 2021-01-01 4:29 PM

The FG clones were for semen. That is my opinion. Personally, I would not spend the money to breed to FG because of the clones  

I originally had the same thought, but I honestly don't think they'd risk getting caught and they are so sparing on the frozen they offer I would think they would offer more if the well wasn't running dry.

I took a chance and I've got one due May. I've always wanted to breed to him so I'm excited.



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cindyt
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2021-01-13 7:51 AM
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trickster j - 2021-01-03 7:23 AM


Flashin The County - 2021-01-02 6:02 PM


trickster j - 2021-01-02 3:16 PM


I don't think AQHA would register them if they were not by FG himself, last I checked they aren't accepting clones as AQHA sires?



They would have no way of knowing.  The DNA would be the same.



  I guess you're right...


I wonder if aqha is still registering babies by FG then simply for this reason.  How would they know 

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arooney
Reg. Nov 2021
Posted 2022-01-07 3:40 PM
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Bumping up... Was looking at SDP Buffalo Ranch and did not see Clayton on the list. Is he standing somehwere else?

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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2022-01-07 4:29 PM
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arooney - 2022-01-07 3:40 PM


Bumping up... Was looking at SDP Buffalo Ranch and did not see Clayton on the list. Is he standing somehwere else?


Clayton is in Australia now 

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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2022-01-07 4:43 PM
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Local girl has a Clayton colt. She sent him to school, but he flunked out and came home. I think the truth is she missed him. I don't wig he'll ever be anything but a pasture pet. ??

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2022-01-07 8:50 PM
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TheOldGrayMare - 2021-01-12 11:24 PM



hotpaints - 2021-01-01 4:29 PM


The FG clones were for semen. That is my opinion. Personally, I would not spend the money to breed to FG because of the clones  



I originally had the same thought, but I honestly don't think they'd risk getting caught and they are so sparing on the frozen they offer I would think they would offer more if the well wasn't running dry.


I took a chance and I've got one due May. I've always wanted to breed to him so I'm excited.


I'd take a FG clone baby...people give me **** about my now 2YO FG asking me if I think shes from clone semen, and no I do not... but I would have bought her anyway. 

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arooney
Reg. Nov 2021
Posted 2022-01-10 8:22 AM
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Thanks, was just wanting to keep up with the babies.

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theheadlesshorsewoma
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2022-01-17 10:28 PM
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  1. Just so you can shame those who give you a hard time about clones.  The AQHA WOULD most likely know if it was from a clone. Most clones are not 100 percent dna matches. They are in the 99 plus percent range. Since the egg which is hollowed out to inject the clone dna is from a donor mare, it has some mitochondrial dna left behind. I suspect this would be picked up when they compare the dna for registration of the offspring to the parents of record.  Might have to do some investigation to be sure about this, but I'm sure as horsey (pardon the pun) as the AQHA is nowadays, they are on the lookout for the horses they know have been cloned
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