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| I fed the Standlee cubes to my horses and they looked good on them. I switched to Omni cubes because they had oats and flax added and were not supposed to be soaked. I don't have to mix feed anymore and it was cheaper, too. Plus, when I am gone, the Omni cubes make it very easy on my husband or son to feed while I am gone. |
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Location: Louisiana | BigStarBound - 2015-11-03 10:05 AM dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 8:52 AM Yep just checked my bags...ugh. I'm really surprised I didn't check it before. I'm a reader lol. Well I guess it's back to TSC for the crappy cubes lol. At least I know they don't have all that junk in them.
Tsc does carry an alfalfa/Bermuda cube that isn't too bad. The horses like it. And if I remember correctly it is on the list of safe feed companies.
Sorry for my ignorance- but what makes TSC's Standlee cubes "crappy"? I don't have access to Omnis in Florida, so I feed Standlee Alfalfa/Oat cubes. Should I not?
The fact that half the bag is giant bricks that I can't break apart with a hammer. The other half of the bag is great lol. I don't have time to soak cubes, although even when I tried soaking the large bricks they didn't really get any softer. I liked the TOTR because they're softer and break up easy. But I won't be buying more after seeing the ingredient list. It still baffles me I bought them without reading it haha.
The actual quality of the Standlee hay isn't bad, but I don't like feeding my horses those big 4" bricks. They throw them out of their buckets and eat the small pieces. |
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Location: Willows, CA | When we were hauling cutting horses from CA to TX we fed only cubes while on the road. It was easy to take them with us, and I had a big bucket that we used that was marked for weight on the inside. Fill to the mark, add Natural Glo, which we owned at the time, and Gro Strong mineral and all was good. We had the cubes made in Canada to our spec and they were half alfalfa and half timothy which made them soft. We had great results with no long hay at all. We fed both long hay and those cubes at home, and also had pasture for some. To answer your question, yes, you can feed just cubes if you are feeding the right ones. Those brick hard ones though did not appeal to me or my horses. |
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Location: Northwest Florida | dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 10:37 AM
BigStarBound - 2015-11-03 10:05 AM dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 8:52 AM Yep just checked my bags...ugh. I'm really surprised I didn't check it before. I'm a reader lol. Well I guess it's back to TSC for the crappy cubes lol. At least I know they don't have all that junk in them.
Tsc does carry an alfalfa/Bermuda cube that isn't too bad. The horses like it. And if I remember correctly it is on the list of safe feed companies.
Sorry for my ignorance- but what makes TSC's Standlee cubes "crappy"? I don't have access to Omnis in Florida, so I feed Standlee Alfalfa/Oat cubes. Should I not?
The actual quality of the Standlee hay isn't bad, but I don't like feeding my horses those big 4" bricks. They throw them out of their buckets and eat the small pieces.
Thank you! I soak mine. It's a pain but they are definitely bricks! I didn't know Omnis were not supposed to be soaked. I guess there's one more reason I wish I could get my hands on some Omnis cubes! |
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | BigStarBound - 2015-11-03 11:10 AM dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 10:37 AM BigStarBound - 2015-11-03 10:05 AM dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 8:52 AM Yep just checked my bags...ugh. I'm really surprised I didn't check it before. I'm a reader lol. Well I guess it's back to TSC for the crappy cubes lol. At least I know they don't have all that junk in them.
Tsc does carry an alfalfa/Bermuda cube that isn't too bad. The horses like it. And if I remember correctly it is on the list of safe feed companies.
Sorry for my ignorance- but what makes TSC's Standlee cubes "crappy"? I don't have access to Omnis in Florida, so I feed Standlee Alfalfa/Oat cubes. Should I not?
The actual quality of the Standlee hay isn't bad, but I don't like feeding my horses those big 4" bricks. They throw them out of their buckets and eat the small pieces. Thank you! I soak mine. It's a pain but they are definitely bricks! I didn't know Omnis were not supposed to be soaked. I guess there's one more reason I wish I could get my hands on some Omnis cubes!
Yes they're supposed to be soft! I even saw where a horse without teeth eats them fine.
I have bought Alfalfa/Bermuda cubes made by FSI at TSC and they're softer. I don't think the quality is quite as high, but they don't have to be soaked. Which for me is a plus.
We're going to town later to pick some up. I'll remember to check labels!! Of course at my local TSC it just depends what they have in stock. I usually just get what I can lol.
I bet that's why the TOTR looked so green and pretty...all the preservatives. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I'm assuming the unnatural stuff is the mold inhibitor they have listed in the ingredients list on the website. I would contact the company directly ask them about it. I know a lot of feeds have mold inhibitors of some sort in them - otherwise they wouldn't last long at all. A lot of the breads that people eat do too.
I feed the TOTR brand Alf cubes and have for over a decade because they're cleaner than the ones from Canada -- I have found hay string in every single bag of the ones from Canada. In comparison to Stanlee, I feel like those you don't get as much VOLUME for your money, and that's important to me since we feed 9 head. I've never had pink slime or had any trouble with the TOTR brand with any of mine. I have fed it as a sole source of forage for a couple of horses that had heaves. My OTTB is getting 5 gallons of them a day too now. |
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| When I read " mold enhibitor " propionic acid does come to mind and wasn't shocking to see. It's actually natural product of the human digestion system and smells of BO. Most people without even realizing it buy quality long stem hay that has been sprayed with it because it does such a bang up job. I was shocked to see the rest of the list with (preservative writen next to it on the bag)Some of these preservatives are man made chemicals not found in nature that ARE toxic and deemed "generally ok" in small amounts. My biggest beef isn't with weather they are safe I mean to each there own and it's a free country and I'm glad it is. It does irritate me they quote "dye free/ preservative free" targeting the o natural croud when they buy a bag the has 4+ chemicals with (preservative) writen next to it. I feel people let companies get away with murder they preach and preach product is something it isn't so my spunky self likes I blow the horn even though most the time I just make sound. I feel like at least some one has seen it and learned somthing. It's been 8+ hours since the first email and I have tried reaching them via Facebook and 2 other emails and I yet to hear back. My little trouble makin self will be calling them in the morning. |
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Location: Louisiana | Thistle2011 - 2015-11-03 3:27 PM
When I read " mold enhibitor " propionic acid does come to mind and wasn't shocking to see. It's actually natural product of the human digestion system and smells of BO. Most people without even realizing it buy quality long stem hay that has been sprayed with it because it does such a bang up job. I was shocked to see the rest of the list with (preservative writen next to it on the bag)Some of these preservatives are man made chemicals not found in nature that ARE toxic and deemed "generally ok" in small amounts. My biggest beef isn't with weather they are safe I mean to each there own and it's a free country and I'm glad it is. It does irritate me they quote "dye free/ preservative free" targeting the o natural croud when they buy a bag the has 4+ chemicals with (preservative) writen next to it. I feel people let companies get away with murder they preach and preach product is something it isn't so my spunky self likes I blow the horn even though most the time I just make sound. I feel like at least some one has seen it and learned somthing. It's been 8+ hours since the first email and I have tried reaching them via Facebook and 2 other emails and I yet to hear back. My little trouble makin self will be calling them in the morning.
The other cube brands I've bought has bentonite I believe as a preservative. And yes, the TOTR website is pretty misleading when compared to the label on the bag. I'm glad you pointed it out!! I don't think ALL of those preservatives/mold inhibitors are necessary when other brands only have one type. |
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| dashnlotti - 2015-11-03 3:34 PM
Thistle2011 - 2015-11-03 3:27 PM
When I read " mold enhibitor " propionic acid does come to mind and wasn't shocking to see. It's actually natural product of the human digestion system and smells of BO. Most people without even realizing it buy quality long stem hay that has been sprayed with it because it does such a bang up job. I was shocked to see the rest of the list with (preservative writen next to it on the bag)Some of these preservatives are man made chemicals not found in nature that ARE toxic and deemed "generally ok" in small amounts. My biggest beef isn't with weather they are safe I mean to each there own and it's a free country and I'm glad it is. It does irritate me they quote "dye free/ preservative free" targeting the o natural croud when they buy a bag the has 4+ chemicals with (preservative) writen next to it. I feel people let companies get away with murder they preach and preach product is something it isn't so my spunky self likes I blow the horn even though most the time I just make sound. I feel like at least some one has seen it and learned somthing. It's been 8+ hours since the first email and I have tried reaching them via Facebook and 2 other emails and I yet to hear back. My little trouble makin self will be calling them in the morning.
The other cube brands I've bought has bentonite I believe as a preservative. And yes, the TOTR website is pretty misleading when compared to the label on the bag. I'm glad you pointed it out!! I don't think ALL of those preservatives/mold inhibitors are necessary when other brands only have one type.
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Location: West Texas | To my knowledge, bentonite is not a preservative and it is not a chemical. It is a natural binder and mineral supplement. Along with those two properties, many believe it to have other health benefits for the digestive system. I am not commenting negatively on the list of preservatives and mold inhibitors on TOTR. They do indeed have good cubes and I have used them before. The ingredient list is a matter of personal opinion and preference that I am not giving an opinion on. |
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Location: Louisiana | Tdove - 2015-11-03 5:01 PM To my knowledge, bentonite is not a preservative and it is not a chemical. It is a natural binder and mineral supplement. Along with those two properties, many believe it to have other health benefits for the digestive system. I am not commenting negatively on the list of preservatives and mold inhibitors on TOTR. They do indeed have good cubes and I have used them before. The ingredient list is a matter of personal opinion and preference that I am not giving an opinion on. I know it's not a chemical. I was thinking it is a natural preservative, but I could most definitely be wrong.
Ok I researched it! Bentonite has the ability to absorb small amounts of water, so I would think it helps control the moisture content of the cubes? I knew it did something lol.
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Location: Willows, CA | I do not know of any manufacturer that could accurately claim that bentonite is a preservative in feed. There are some really good potential benefits to bentonite, but I don't see being a preservative as being one of them at any level more than the vaguest description of that action. I theory, I guess that it could draw moisture out of mold and prevent it's growth by doing so, but that is a real stretch.
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Location: Beggs, OK | arion - 2015-11-03 9:17 AM Thistle2011 - 2015-11-03 5:51 AM :( I'm in kansas and I don't think I can get mustang Sally's :( can anyone verify that for me ? If you are in Kansas you need to be feeding Selectway
I have used the Select Way cubes and wasn't disappointed with them. If I couldn't get Omnis Cubes, these would be my next choice. Given the option between the two my horses eat all of their Omnis Cubes before they'll eat the Select Way. They're a larger cube, but still fairly soft. |
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Location: Midwest | Those chemicals you names are all found in nature. They are all (to my knowledge) acceptable for use in organic foods.
They are considered natural preservatives.
I I have had much better luck with TOTR than with standee or dumor.
Btw, the chemicals listed above are extremely common in the human food supply because they work well to inhibit mold and are safe. Living in an area of the U.S. that gets very moist, I don't mind a mild inhibitor... Especially a safe one. |
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Location: Midwest | Btw, no where on their website do I see them claiming the alfalfa cubes to be preservative free. It says dye free, which they are.
So I take that back. There is a sentence on the first page... Not on the cubes page. Seems like an oversight, poor wording, or a straight up mistruth.
Moral of the story- if you are picky, read the bag.
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Location: West Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-11-04 6:43 AM
Btw, no where on their website do I see them claiming the alfalfa cubes to be preservative free. It says dye free, which they are.
So I take that back. There is a sentence on the first page... Not on the cubes page. Seems like an oversight, poor wording, or a straight up mistruth.
Moral of the story- if you are picky, read the bag.
Read the cubes page again....indeed it is there. It's the end of the second paragraph, "What's in the cubes is natural, fresh hay with no dyes or preservatives".
http://www.manzanolafeeds.com/alfalfa_horse_cubes.html
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I had the pages confused. I thought the home page was the cubes page, my bad
this was the first one I looked at
http://www.manzanolafeeds.com/index.html |
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