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Location: Kansas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM Thank you NJJ. Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked. With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE.
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat.
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen
It's not misinformation that he plans to meet with Black Lives Matter (has time for that), the group whose motto begins with "What do we want, dead cops." Defend the fact also that when Obama was on vacation in Hawaii five servicepeople were killed in Afghanistan and as usual he couldn't make it off the beach or golf course to address this tragedy. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM
 Thank you NJJ.  Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked.  With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE. Â
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat. Â
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen
Obama's refusal to attend the funeral service of this man is conspicuous and tacky. It's thumbing his nose at the citizens of this nation.
Let me ask you this, Karen; do you think he would attend the funeral of Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg?
For once I wish Obama could set aside his political agenda and do the classy thing. I guess I'm expecting too much. |
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| Bear - 2016-02-18 10:05 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM Thank you NJJ. Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked. With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE.
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat.
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen Obama's refusal to attend the funeral service of this man is conspicuous and tacky. It's thumbing his nose at the citizens of this nation. Let me ask you this, Karen; do you think he would attend the funeral of Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg? For once I wish Obama could set aside his political agenda and do the classy thing. I guess I'm expecting too much.
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Location: SE Louisiana | TrailGirl - 2016-02-18 7:33 AM
So he couldn't manage to attend the funeral of Margaret Thatcher...Can't be bothered to attend the funeral for Justice Scalia...but he made sure to attend Nelson Mandela's funeral...Hmmm...one of these things is not like the other.... A racist arrogant lop eared varmint indeed.
And when asked about why he would not be attending one reporter even asked point blank if Obozo would be golfing Saturday...his mouthpiece dodged the question naturally.
He likely fears that he will burst into flames if he crosses the threshold of the basilica.
This is an interesting point. Mandela NEVER renounced terrorism as a means to a political end.
I always thought an autopsy was required to determine a cause of death in questionable cases. This one sure looks questionable to me.
As far as attending the funeral goes, It's not unprecedented for the president not to attend this function and I'm sure the late justice Scalia would just as soon not have him there to turn it into a political circus. He can rest easy knowing that lying POS won't be there..
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2016-02-18 10:00 AM I'm not spreading " misinformation". I simply think it is entirely appropriate to expect an autopsy to be performed because we do not know the cause of a sudden, unexpected death in one of the most consequential Justices in Supreme Court history. This was a very important, powerful man who led a pretty vigorous life, for his age. He had been out hunting. Pronouncing him dead over the phone is one thing, but having a coroner examine the body at the scene and then ordering an autopsy should have been automatic. There is a whole host of causes of death that cannot be determined by simply looking at the body on a bed, some of which are not natural. This is what a coroner is for. If an autopsy is ordered by a coroner, for whatever reason, then the family has no say in the matter. Nope....no tin hats here. I just want the truth and it makes sense to do the right and logical thing, given these circumstances, particularly in this day and age where suspicion and conspiracy theories rule the day.
Compeletly agree, do the autopsy, show it was natural causes, case closed..... no tin foil hats needed. A fifth grader would know Justice Scalia's sudden death was a big deal and there would be questions involved, put them to rest and be done with it would have been the right thing to do. |
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Location: North Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM
 Thank you NJJ.  Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked.  With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE. Â
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat. Â
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen
Perhaps there is reason to be believe that the response to this event has been bungled by everyone surrounding it.
Remember, John Poindexter is an Obama Supporter. And was involved in The Iran Contra Scandal.
Reports have it that Poindexter was the caller who spoke to The J.P. in Marfa, Tx who declared Justice Scalia deceased w/o an autopsy over the phone.
That in and of itself is incompetent. Everything involved with The Current Administration and its supporters has been outwardly incompetent. Why should this be any different. Another question mark surrounding this event is Justice Scalia was traveling w/o security which from my research is unusual................ |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance. |
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| foundation horse - 2016-02-18 10:52 AM
Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM
 Thank you NJJ.  Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked.  With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE. Â
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat. Â
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen
Perhaps there is reason to be believe that the response to this event has been bungled by everyone surrounding it.
Remember, John Poindexter is an Obama Supporter. And was involved in The Iran Contra Scandal.
Reports have it that Poindexter was the caller who spoke to The J.P. in Marfa, Tx who declared Justice Scalia deceased w/o an autopsy over the phone.
That in and of itself is incompetent. Everything involved with The Current Administration and its supporters has been outwardly incompetent. Why should this be any different. Another question mark surrounding this event is Justice Scalia was traveling w/o security which from my research is unusual................
Scalia always has refused security thru out his life. It was offered many times. |
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Location: North Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-18 11:13 AM
foundation horse - 2016-02-18 10:52 AM
Stitch4k9 - 2016-02-18 9:45 AM
 Thank you NJJ.  Justice Scalia was 79, overweight and smoked.  With a history of High BLOOD PRESSURE. Â
And the President and First Lady ARE attending Friday and the VP and Dr. Biden are attending on Sat. Â
Instead of blaming one person for every problem in this country we should look at those who purposely spread mis information.
karen
Perhaps there is reason to be believe that the response to this event has been bungled by everyone surrounding it.
Remember, John Poindexter is an Obama Supporter. And was involved in The Iran Contra Scandal.
Reports have it that Poindexter was the caller who spoke to The J.P. in Marfa, Tx who declared Justice Scalia deceased w/o an autopsy over the phone.
That in and of itself is incompetent. Everything involved with The Current Administration and its supporters has been outwardly incompetent. Why should this be any different. Another question mark surrounding this event is Justice Scalia was traveling w/o security which from my research is unusual................
Scalia always has refused security thru out his life. It was offered many times.
Thank you. I did not know this. However, the rest of what I posted is correct.  |
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| Bear - 2016-02-18 11:00 AM
If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance.
In many states you would be correct an autopsy would be automatic. However in Texas a JP is given that power. In my state only the corner can do that. In my state a JP has vary little power other than marrying people. So what many see as odd it is not in Texas or so it seems .... go figure. |
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Location: North Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-18 11:22 AM
Bear - 2016-02-18 11:00 AM
If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance.
In many states you would be correct an autopsy would be automatic. However in Texas a JP is given that power. In my state only the corner can do that. In my state a JP has vary little power other than marrying people. So what many see as odd it is not in Texas or so it seems .... go figure.
The J.P. in Texas declaring a death is not odd. Over the phone w/o first hand personal observation is incompetent.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2016-02-18 11:24 AM
jbhoot - 2016-02-18 11:22 AM
Bear - 2016-02-18 11:00 AM
If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance.
In many states you would be correct an autopsy would be automatic. However in Texas a JP is given that power. In my state only the corner can do that. In my state a JP has vary little power other than marrying people. So what many see as odd it is not in Texas or so it seems .... go figure.
The J.P. in Texas declaring a death is not odd. Over the phone w/o first hand personal observation is incompetent.
Doesn't matter.....it looks terrible and extremely sloppy. Horrible judgement. |
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Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-02-18 11:40 AM
foundation horse - 2016-02-18 11:24 AM
jbhoot - 2016-02-18 11:22 AM
Bear - 2016-02-18 11:00 AM
If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance.
In many states you would be correct an autopsy would be automatic. However in Texas a JP is given that power. In my state only the corner can do that. In my state a JP has vary little power other than marrying people. So what many see as odd it is not in Texas or so it seems .... go figure.
The J.P. in Texas declaring a death is not odd. Over the phone w/o first hand personal observation is incompetent.
Doesn't matter.....it looks terrible and extremely sloppy. Horrible judgement.
Sloppy, horrible judgement equates to incompetence! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Exactly! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-02-18 10:00 AM I'm not spreading " misinformation". I simply think it is entirely appropriate to expect an autopsy to be performed because we do not know the cause of a sudden, unexpected death in one of the most consequential Justices in Supreme Court history. This was a very important, powerful man who led a pretty vigorous life, for his age. He had been out hunting. Pronouncing him dead over the phone is one thing, but having a coroner examine the body at the scene and then ordering an autopsy should have been automatic. There is a whole host of causes of death that cannot be determined by simply looking at the body on a bed, some of which are not natural. This is what a coroner is for. If an autopsy is ordered by a coroner, for whatever reason, then the family has no say in the matter. Nope....no tin hats here. I just want the truth and it makes sense to do the right and logical thing, given these circumstances, particularly in this day and age where suspicion and conspiracy theories rule the day.
Sheriff's statements.........
Meanwhile, Sheriff Dominguez has ruled out foul play that a pillow originally said to have been covering Scalia's head was in fact above it.
'He [Scalia] was just lying on the bed with a pillow above his head,' he said. 'Everything seemed normal and he was just there lying down. 'There was no sign of a struggle, no wrinkles in the cover or on the pillow either.'
He also hit out at the conspiracy theories that have sprung up in the wake of the Supreme Court Justice's death – and said the rush to politicize the death was 'disrespectful to the family'.
'It was totally routine,' he said. 'Everyone has their way of doing an investigation and we did it our way.
'I was told that he had been there and had been out hunting quail with his friends the day before. They said he had felt tired afterwards and went to bed around nine.'
He added: 'Those people in Washington, they got their theories and I got mine. They need to keep politics out of it.'
Asked why Judge Cinderela Gonzalez felt able to issue a death certificate stating Scalia died of natural causes without seeing the body or an autopsy carried out, he explained:
'If there's no suspicious circumstances, then that is allowed under Texas law. She made that decision after speaking with me and after making calls to his doctor and his family.
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| Bear - 2016-02-17 6:43 PM
.....apparently will not be attended by either Barack or Michelle Obama. He managed to attend the funeral of the former grand cyclops of the KKK, William Byrd, but neither of them have the time to attend the funeral of one of the most widely respected and influential members in the history of the U.S. Supreme Court. I'm ashamed of this bastard.
Class act.
Maybe the President would have attended the funeral if Scalia would have attended the last few State of the Union addresses. What goes around comes around. The Obamas are paying their respects this evening and the Bidens will be attending. |
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Location: Central Texas | Bear - 2016-02-18 11:00 AM
If a homeless person with no name was found dead on a sidewalk or under a bridge, with no apparent cause of death, an autopsy is done.
Family wishes are not considered in making this decision. Think about it. Say rich old grandpa has a big family and he is found dead, the same way Justice Scalia is found. The family refuses to do an autopsy. Imagine what this would open up if they were the final say?
Some greedy relative puts a pillow over grandpa's face and he dies. Without the ability to order an autopsy, a lot of people would get away with murder. Just whack rich old gramps, refuse autopsy, and collect your inheritance.
I am finding it curious about no autopsy as well. My aunt with known heart disease, had already had open heart surgery years ago, was found dead in her house. We, as the family, knew her health issues, knew it was most likely a heart attack, did not desire an autopsy but they did one anyway because no one was with her when she passed. She wasn't EVEN a prominent political personna either! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2016-02-18 1:02 PM
Bear - 2016-02-18 10:00 AM I'm not spreading " misinformation". I simply think it is entirely appropriate to expect an autopsy to be performed because we do not know the cause of a sudden, unexpected death in one of the most consequential Justices in Supreme Court history. This was a very important, powerful man who led a pretty vigorous life, for his age. He had been out hunting. Pronouncing him dead over the phone is one thing, but having a coroner examine the body at the scene and then ordering an autopsy should have been automatic. There is a whole host of causes of death that cannot be determined by simply looking at the body on a bed, some of which are not natural. This is what a coroner is for. If an autopsy is ordered by a coroner, for whatever reason, then the family has no say in the matter. Nope....no tin hats here. I just want the truth and it makes sense to do the right and logical thing, given these circumstances, particularly in this day and age where suspicion and conspiracy theories rule the day.
Sheriff's statements.........Meanwhile, Sheriff Dominguez has ruled out foul play that a pillow originally said to have been covering Scalia's head was in fact above it.
'He [Scalia] was just lying on the bed with a pillow above his head,' he said. 'Everything seemed normal and he was just there lying down. 'There was no sign of a struggle, no wrinkles in the cover or on the pillow either.'
He also hit out at the conspiracy theories that have sprung up in the wake of the Supreme Court Justice's death – and said the rush to politicize the death was 'disrespectful to the family'.
'It was totally routine,' he said. 'Everyone has their way of doing an investigation and we did it our way.
'I was told that he had been there and had been out hunting quail with his friends the day before. They said he had felt tired afterwards and went to bed around nine.'
He added: 'Those people in Washington, they got their theories and I got mine. They need to keep politics out of it.'
Asked why Judge Cinderela Gonzalez felt able to issue a death certificate stating Scalia died of natural causes without seeing the body or an autopsy carried out, he explained:
'If there's no suspicious circumstances, then that is allowed under Texas law. She made that decision after speaking with me and after making calls to his doctor and his family.Â
I'm not suggesting it was unlawful to not order an autopsy. I'm simply suggesting that it is important to make an attempt to determine the actual cause of death of a very very important man.
This is not some random citizen here. We are witnessing the consequences of this sloppy conduct. We do NOT have a definitive cause of death, only a guess. That's simply unacceptable.
Let's say we had a president who had health issues like Eisenhower had. He had heart attacks while in office. Let's say he was found dead in bed. What are the chances he would NOT have an autopsy, even though he had known severe heart disease?
Answer: ZERO
The pillow is not an issue for me. I just want to know the cause of death....at least make a reasonable attempt. This just fans conspiracy flames, and I can see why. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-02-18 1:37 PM
Bear - 2016-02-17 6:43 PM
.....apparently will not be attended by either Barack or Michelle Obama. He managed to attend the funeral of the former grand cyclops of the KKK, William Byrd, but neither of them have the time to attend the funeral of one of the most widely respected and influential members in the history of the U.S. Supreme Court. I'm ashamed of this bastard.
Class act.
Maybe the President would have attended the funeral if Scalia would have attended the last few State of the Union addresses. What goes around comes around. The Obamas are paying their respects this evening and the Bidens will be attending.
Finney, that sounds about right. Basically, Obama was holding a grudge.....so to hell with doing the classy thing. To hell with the idea of rising above the fray. To hell with showing the world that we Americans set aside our petty political differences, and show the utmost respect to a very widely admired and respected jurist.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Where are you finding info that Obama will be attending his funeral? I have found nothing except this..
GOP softening position against Obama replacing Scalia?WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama will visit the Supreme Court Friday to pay their respects as Justice Antonin Scalia lies in repose but won't attend Scalia's funeral. White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill Biden will attend the funeral on Saturday at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington. Scalia died on Saturday at age 79. He joined the court in 1986 and was its longest-serving justice. Former Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who died in 2005, was the last member of the high court to lie in repose. Obama has said he will nominate a replacement for Scalia with "plenty of time" for the Senate to act.
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