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| classicpotatochip - 2018-04-10 4:44 PM
LIVE2RUN - 2018-04-10 4:31 PM
So if a horse tests Negative for PSSM1 but has symptoms like PSSM2, what does he have then? Since the tests aren't validated.
That’s the whole point here. Everyone here isn’t doubting that PSSM2 exists.
I would, and have, just put them on a PSSM friendly diet and see if in a few months or sooner it doesn’t help. Many horses thrive on that kind of diet anyway!
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Just like most people don't test for EPM they just treat it they suspect it bc the test is expensive and blah, blah, blah.
My problem is the denigration of people, stallions, bloodlines BY the people that support Paul and Paul himself WITHOUT actual proof. Lots of hearsay being presented as fact ie he offered to test ASOF, they declined and other such conversations. All anyone is asking is that the studies be validated by peer review and a normal process. Transparency is usually helpful.
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-07-27 10:34 AM
And the great news is, it's treated with diet only. There are no drug therapies. So , if you suspect your horse has it, like I did with mine, I started feeding a PSSM diet 3 months ago and have seen tremendous results with it.
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That’s the whole point here. Everyone here isn’t doubting that PSSM2 exists.
I would, and have, just put them on a PSSM friendly diet and see if in a few months or sooner it doesn’t help. Many horses thrive on that kind of diet anyway!
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I like these two KISS posters with the same solution !!!!!
Just look around you .. there are as many hyper, obese, malnourished people eating
slop day and night and while driving down the hiway ..
as there are horses with the same symptoms... lol
If people fed their kids the way they do their horses with all the trash foods
and supplements and toxic vaccinations ... ... they would be arrested for child abuse.
Judge the rider's/owner's horsemanship skills and knowledge ... not the horse!!
In my neck of the woods .. you are judged on the horse you rode up on!!
Why would you want to pay $99 for a test when a good balanced feeding program
is the answer??
You know AQHA is just dying to have all mares on their 5 panel testing to
make millions of dollars when the tests are worthless ........
No one yet has shown any horses or data on any of their 5 panel tests that
would make it an issue or a concern.
Find me 10 horses for 2017 in each category of the 5 panel tests that
ACTUALLY HAVE THE DISEASE!! No one can name 10 horses with photos
for the past 15 years...
This non-sense makes me think of a hyper obese friend of mine that was
complaining about how they felt while stuffing 2 over sized sandwiches
down their throat. "I wished I could find a diet that tastes as good as
these sandwiches."
I said ... "How about just eating a half a sandwich??"
They haven't spoken to me in over two weeks ... lol
Stop buying all of this over priced junk feed and supplements and
get back to simple natural foods for your horses and manage to
keep them fit before running the living daylights out of them.
THERE AIN'T NO MAGIC PILLS ...
LOL
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I have a question and I'm sorry to sound so ignorant but I don't know much about breeding. With the pssm1 PSSM 2 3, whatever why is only the stallion need to be tested? Could it also come from the mare that he bred and her bloodline carries it?  | |
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| Mainer-racer - 2018-04-11 7:23 AM I have a question and I'm sorry to sound so ignorant but I don't know much about breeding. With the pssm1 PSSM 2 3, whatever why is only the stallion need to be tested? Could it also come from the mare that he bred and her bloodline carries it?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-11 6:06 AM
Mainer-racer - 2018-04-11 7:23 AM I have a question and I'm sorry to sound so ignorant but I don't know much about breeding. With the pssm1 PSSM 2 3, whatever why is only the stallion need to be tested? Could it also come from the mare that he bred and her bloodline carries it?
None of these particular genes are sex linked. Meaning they aren't hitching a ride on the X or Y. They are being passed from the mare AND/OR the stallion. They can have any or all or none of them. It's like playing Russian Roulette. Sometimes they get them and sometimes they don't.
ETA: If the genes are recessive, they require a copy from both parents to be symptomatic. If they are dominant the subject horse only needs to have one copy to possibly have symptoms. I say possibly because it's not 100% that a horse with the dominant gene will have symptoms. But the recessives it's 100% sure that if they have two copies they will be affected.
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Location: Burns, WY | Well, I have enrolled 17 horses by blood into EquiSeq's study and another 3 deceased mares by hair into the study as well. I just recently enrolled 3 by blood, but on the 14 that were tested by blood so far and the three tested by hair, one was P2/P2, one was N/P2, one was N/P3, one was N/P4 and 7 so far are N/PX.
Now, on the three I just submitted, the one is N/P2 because her sire was the P2/P2 horse and her dam was N/PX, so were just trying to see if she might be N/PX on top of already being N/P2. The next mare, I know she is clear on everything except for PX as her dam was N/PX. The next mare, her sire, a son of Seattle Slew is untested, so I'm not sure what may come from him, but her dam, a grand daughter of Dash Ta Fame, is negative for everything.
Now, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but EquiSeq developed these tests off of horses who had muscle biopsies done and were found to either be PSSM type 2 or MFM. He also has horses in the study who have muscle biopsies done and were declared to be RER. The reason he hasn't been able to publish is because PSSM type 2 became such a dumping ground for any muscle biopsy that appeared to have a glycogen storage problem and what's sad is that there is a ton of genes that are destroying the myofibrillars in the muscle cell and they can give that glycogen storage problem look to a muscle biopsy. What's truly interesting is how horses have the same genes that humans have and this is why he has had good success in finding these genes as they are well researched in humans. EquiSeq has done numerous genome sequencing on horses with muscle biopsies that are declared to be PSSM type 2, MFM and RER and of course that helps them find these genes as they know where to look because of human research.
So far, the three genes, P2 (MYOT), P3 (FLNC), and P4 (MYOZ3), are associated with human limb girdle muscular dystrophy. These genes affect humans in the shoulder and hip areas. Now, take that info and transfer it over to our horses.
How many people inject their horses and 2, 3, 4 months later, they're having to inject them again in the stifles and hocks. See, with the myofibrillars in the muscle cells being destroyed in the hips, they are going to be compromised and eventually they'll totally break down.
How many people are dealing with unexplained lameness that vets and chiros can't figure out. Again, the myofibrillars in the muscle cells are being destroyed by these genes.
How many people have a horse that use to run and awesome pattern and now they got to 6 to 10 years of age and they are falling apart mentally. Did anyone ever think that the reason might be because they are hurting because their muscles are compromised. Would you ask your kid with muscular dystrophy to play a game of basketball and expect him to do it as well as a kid who has no problems. More then likely you'd think that was being cruel to your kid.
How many people are dealing with hard keepers that maybe when they were younger they held their weight awesome, but now your plowing feed into them left and right and they don't seem to gain. Again, these genes that have been found destroy the muscles in the hips and shoulders and again that's where everyone notices weight loss and without feeding a high protein diet that's balanced on the calcium to phosphorus ratio and has a good tri-amino acid profile, the horse won't gain.
When you start looking a how the gene acts on our horses and what we are seeing in the barrel community once these horses get to 6 to 10 years of age, it's super easy to see those genes in action. Now, we just finally have answers to help us get our horses managed and as breeders, tools to use to get those genes out of our horses, so they can keep being super stars without a lot of management problems as they age.
I do get amazed at how some people are so into not wanting to test because it's not validated, but yet they'll use supplements, treatments and such that have no scientific validation behind them, to maintain their horses.
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Location: Burns, WY | Given the Punnet square for breeding, if a horse tested out as P2/P2 it means that they got one copy of P2 from the sire and one copy of P2 from the dam.
In the case of A Fling By The River, with him testing out as P2/P2, it means that one copy of P2 came from the sire and one copy from the dam. The owner of this gelding owns two other full siblings to this horse and will be testing them, plus the dam.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Very informative! How long does the test take? Also have other ASOF been affected? What is the bloodline of the dam? I'm not hearing anything about the dam just the sire. | |
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Location: Burns, WY | The mare herself is at least N/P2 as well since her colt was P2/P2. She does have the bloodline of Peppy San Badger and that is another line we are suspecting and several horses with Peppy San Badger have come up positive with the P2 gene as Peppy San Badger goes back to Midnight who is our main P2 suspect based on the pedigree mapping done by the researchers back a long time ago. I would suspect that the mare will test out N/P2, but I'll be shocked if she herself comes back as P2/P2. Her pedigree doesn't support it. Now, I really don't see anything in her pedigree to support the P3 gene and at the moment, I'm clueless on the P4 gene on possible suspects. I just haven't studied enough P4 pedigrees.
I will say though, based on the results that I have seen come back on P2 positive horses and using the pedigree mapping from Dr Molly McCue's 199 page dissertation on PSSM, the barrel and racing community is going to be in for a serious mess as I'd gestimate that around 75 to 80% of these horses will come back positive for P2 and/or P3. Of course as people start to test these horses, stallion owners better get some really thick skin because it's going to hurt big time.
Again, like I've said, we can use this testing as a breeding tool to make our horses even better then before and hopefully require a lot less maintenance to run. So, instead of folks getting hurt, let's pull up our boot straps and get down to business on making these horses better.
Just like with my N/P2 2 year old. My husband and I've talked and we'll get her going and see how she does and if she is worthy of breeding, we'll look around for a stallion that's negative that fits what we want and breed her eventually and pray that we get a clear foal to carry on her bloodlines.
Fortunately for me, the one N/P2 broodmare that I did have, I already have a completely negative colt, my future stallion prospect to replace his sire, and a negative filly from her too that can carry on her bloodliines.
Right now, there are several of us with running bloodlines that have tested or are testing our programs and we are actively looking for proven, negative stallions to breed mares to that might have one or more of these genes. The sad part is they are scarce to find. | |
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Location: Burns, WY | Currently it has been taking about 2 to 3 weeks to get results as they do not test but send it out instead. I'd also recommend that anyone sending hair, send double the amount as the last I knew, they had been splitting the hair up as one lab was doing P2, p3 and P4 and another lab was doing PX. Also, everyone has been getting their P2, P3 and P4 results in about 2 to 3 weeks of time, while the PX is taking longer.
Personally to me, because I have had or currently have so many N/PX horses, that's a gene that doesn't worry me unless its coupled up with something else.
I know some folks on the PSSM Forum do have highly symptomatic horses with PX that are negative for P2, P3 and P4, but I know EquiSeq is moving forward on about 4 to 5 more genes, so hopefully these genes they are working on will answer things for those with symptomatic horses. | |
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| appycowgirl - 2018-04-12 11:29 AM Well, I have enrolled 17 horses by blood into EquiSeq's study and another 3 deceased mares by hair into the study as well. I just recently enrolled 3 by blood, but on the 14 that were tested by blood so far and the three tested by hair, one was P2/P2, one was N/P2, one was N/P3, one was N/P4 and 7 so far are N/PX. Now, on the three I just submitted, the one is N/P2 because her sire was the P2/P2 horse and her dam was N/PX, so were just trying to see if she might be N/PX on top of already being N/P2. The next mare, I know she is clear on everything except for PX as her dam was N/PX. The next mare, her sire, a son of Seattle Slew is untested, so I'm not sure what may come from him, but her dam, a grand daughter of Dash Ta Fame, is negative for everything. Now, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but EquiSeq developed these tests off of horses who had muscle biopsies done and were found to either be PSSM type 2 or MFM. He also has horses in the study who have muscle biopsies done and were declared to be RER. The reason he hasn't been able to publish is because PSSM type 2 became such a dumping ground for any muscle biopsy that appeared to have a glycogen storage problem and what's sad is that there is a ton of genes that are destroying the myofibrillars in the muscle cell and they can give that glycogen storage problem look to a muscle biopsy. What's truly interesting is how horses have the same genes that humans have and this is why he has had good success in finding these genes as they are well researched in humans. EquiSeq has done numerous genome sequencing on horses with muscle biopsies that are declared to be PSSM type 2, MFM and RER and of course that helps them find these genes as they know where to look because of human research. So far, the three genes, P2 (MYOT), P3 (FLNC), and P4 (MYOZ3), are associated with human limb girdle muscular dystrophy. These genes affect humans in the shoulder and hip areas. Now, take that info and transfer it over to our horses. How many people inject their horses and 2, 3, 4 months later, they're having to inject them again in the stifles and hocks. See, with the myofibrillars in the muscle cells being destroyed in the hips, they are going to be compromised and eventually they'll totally break down. How many people are dealing with unexplained lameness that vets and chiros can't figure out. Again, the myofibrillars in the muscle cells are being destroyed by these genes. How many people have a horse that use to run and awesome pattern and now they got to 6 to 10 years of age and they are falling apart mentally. Did anyone ever think that the reason might be because they are hurting because their muscles are compromised. Would you ask your kid with muscular dystrophy to play a game of basketball and expect him to do it as well as a kid who has no problems. More then likely you'd think that was being cruel to your kid. How many people are dealing with hard keepers that maybe when they were younger they held their weight awesome, but now your plowing feed into them left and right and they don't seem to gain. Again, these genes that have been found destroy the muscles in the hips and shoulders and again that's where everyone notices weight loss and without feeding a high protein diet that's balanced on the calcium to phosphorus ratio and has a good tri-amino acid profile, the horse won't gain. When you start looking a how the gene acts on our horses and what we are seeing in the barrel community once these horses get to 6 to 10 years of age, it's super easy to see those genes in action. Now, we just finally have answers to help us get our horses managed and as breeders, tools to use to get those genes out of our horses, so they can keep being super stars without a lot of management problems as they age. I do get amazed at how some people are so into not wanting to test because it's not validated, but yet they'll use supplements, treatments and such that have no scientific validation behind them, to maintain their horses. A. If your horse is symptomatic you can follow the treatment protocol and if there is improvement you probably have your answer. If you are wanting to breed I would definitely test.
B. Using unproven supplements or treatments in no way implicates any other horse - that is the issue with the Equi sec test and a Streak of Fling. It has to go through the proper channels and when of if it does, that is the time to have that discussion about breeding to certain stallions. As of today, implications are just slander and hearsay.
C. Slippery slope implied the Fulton’s are knowingly breeding a PSSM2 stallion and are liable for future lawsuits. PSSM2 is just now being recognized, this stud is almost 20 and has over a thousand out there performing. I would think if he were to be breeding horses with problems the chatter about that would have started 15 years ago.
D. Again, using unproven supplements and treatments don’t effect any other horse but using this unproven test to condemn a stallion is wrong. His testing may prove to be 100% accurate, but until then, if that happens, it is not absolute. All some of us are asking is before you burn their house down, wait for the proper process to take place to verify the testing, til the educate yourself and proceed with caution.
E. I find it beyond disturbing and unprofessional that Paul would go on a public forum and state that he offered the test for free and they turned it down. What was his objective in making that public? Did he just want to fan the flames? Being free hadnithing to do with them declining the offer, they have plenty of money. He does not sound like the kind of person I like to do business with.
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Location: Burns, WY | Yes, that's very true.
Like I said, the PX gene, I'm not as concerned about because of the 7 horses of mine that are N/PX, 6 of them I've extensively rode or are still riding. The 6 horses are all descendants of my one mare Plaudit Starynite who tested out as N/PX. I've ridden and shown 3 of her daughters and we've done everything from trail rides that have been 15 to 20 miles long, to helping friends work cows to performance stuff such as barrels and done it into their teenage years with no problems. I'm currently running one of Star's grand daughters and she is 11 this year.
Now, the P2, P3 and P4, I am eliminating that from my program as I strongly believe it is a problem. Currently everything that I'm breeding is P2, P3 and P4 negative. | |
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Location: Burns, WY | Excuse me, I never said anything about them being involved in future lawsuits over breeding ASOF and I did not even mention their name or their stallions name.
What I did say was that A Fling By The River did test out as P2/P2. That's a fact no matter what way you want to slice those test results as those test results were published by the owner of the gelding.
Just like there is a son of Oklahoma Fuel that tested out as P2/P2. There is also a grandson of Oklahoma Fuel that tested out as P2/P2. Another mare that I know of that's a daughter of Eddie Stinson tested out as N/P2, P4/P4 and PX/PX.
Now, as long as people stick to facts and nothing else, then there is no slander or libel involved.
Also, I wish folks would really get off of this condemn thing.
Personally, I'm not condemning any stallion because I know how far reaching this testing is going to affect the industry and let me tell you, most of the top studs and top mares in the industry won't come out clean. SO, if we want to clean up the industry instead of having a bunch of horses running around that are dealing with muscular dystrophy let's pull our heads out of our asses and get to work fixing crap instead. Let's build off of what we have to build a better tomorrow for our equine partners. We don't have to lose any bloodlines in the process of doing this but we have to make smart breeding decisions.
Also, when Bling died, a lot of folks did come out and say that they were having problems with horses that were related to Bling's sire and again, I just saw it after this lady made her post about her gelding's results. People, tying up in horses shouldn't be considered a natural thing and we shouldn't accept it as being natural either. Plowing all sorts of stuff into them to keep them running so they don't possibly tie up, shouldn't be considered natural either.
The barrel and racing industry came out pretty unscathed when the 5 panel testing came out, but it won't be the case on the PSSM type 2 variant gene tests. Mark my words on that one.
At least I know I'm doing my part on making sure that I'm doing the best I can to make my breed of choice better for future generations to come. I know some other folks feel the same way as me and are testing and trying to improve things as well. | |
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| appycowgirl - 2018-04-12 2:23 PM Yes, that's very true. Like I said, the PX gene, I'm not as concerned about because of the 7 horses of mine that are N/PX, 6 of them I've extensively rode or are still riding. The 6 horses are all descendants of my one mare Plaudit Starynite who tested out as N/PX. I've ridden and shown 3 of her daughters and we've done everything from trail rides that have been 15 to 20 miles long, to helping friends work cows to performance stuff such as barrels and done it into their teenage years with no problems. I'm currently running one of Star's grand daughters and she is 11 this year. Now, the P2, P3 and P4, I am eliminating that from my program as I strongly believe it is a problem. Currently everything that I'm breeding is P2, P3 and P4 negative.
I didn’t say you said it, I stated Slipperyslope did and that is where this “debate” goes off the rails. I agree, responsible breeding needs to take place so this terrible disease can be erradicated, everyone is in this for the good of the horse. I wish people would stop breeding any type of PSSM horse, although their horse might be symptom free, you don’t know what the next generations might have to deal with. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Just in case anyone is interested, EquiSec is still testing Jockey Club registered TBs for free. Just e-mail Paul with the horses name and year foaled along with the address you want the test kit sent to. | |
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Location: Burns, WY | Also, I think I do remember at the time, that when Bling died, he did offer the testing for free to them, and I think I do remember him stating that the owners of Bling weren't interested, but it was in response to someone asking him if he had offered the test to the owners of Bling, so he was just responding to a question that had been asked.
Honestly I didn't see anything wrong with his response as he was just being factual.
He never did come out and make a post specific to that.
That's one thing that I really have to say that I like about EquiSeq. If your horse is having serious issues and you've done a muscle biopsy and have the diagnosis of PSSM 2, MFM or RER, Paul will generally get you into the study. From there he'll at least test for P2, P3, P4 and PX and the nice thing is that, as genes are discovered, your horse is checked for them and that's still at no cost to you.
When I got my P2 results from my horses that are in the study, Paul called and talked to me and I asked questions and he answered them as I was trying to figure out where to go on all of this. Cutting my P2/P2 stud was a super easy decision because I want happy with the legs and feet he was putting on his foals and those results just put the icing on the cake. Stratus had shown tying up in the shoulder muscle once, and he had a bunny hopping canter that I'd never seen in my other horses. When I got him home as yearling and watched him move, something started nagging me. Now I know why.
Now, on my mare Kili, she had an SI of 98 and had won over $13000 on the track. That one I was surprised, but after he explained to me how the genes destroy the myofibrillars in the muscle cell, I finally realised why that mare lost weight on improved pasture, but gained on a round bale of alfalfa grass mix hay. The pasture obviously was missing the alfalfa and yet the hay wasn't and that gave her protein, calcium and lysine. She was N/P2. She also had an issue with her right stifle.
My N/P3 mare was put down due to lameness issues in her front as she had a chipped coffin bone, degrading of the navicular bone and calcification of the deep digital flexor tendon. Now, on her left hind, when she walked she slammed her foot down. After comparing the notes with one of the researchers of EquiSeq on her P3 horse, they both shared that same foot slamming walk.
My mare Maddie, that one took 7 years to finally get an answer and back in 2010, I had blood work done and it was normal but that was one moody ***** under saddle. Between vets and chiros and talking to owners of maternal half siblings of hers, plus someone who rode her dam, I figured it was a familial thing. Well, I was on track there as her sire is negative for P4, which means that her dam is at least N/P4 as Maddie is N/P4. I've compared notes with the researcher on her N/P4 horse and it seems both horses are on the same page. Very moody and I was told, when they end up with a negative nitrogen balance they'll crash hard.
I'll tell you, it's been very interesting being part of this study and learning what I have. It's made me realise that my attitude that my horses should be wash and wear and be able to be rode before breeding, plus riding my mares, even my broodmares into their teenage years and dragging them out to do work when I need them, isn't such a bad attitude after all.
I'll probably be dragging my fat, out of shape senior stud who is 21 this year to a branding next month. While I know he'll be dragging ass, I know he'll do what is asked and stay sound while doing it as he's done it before. That's the type of horses I like.
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Location: Burns, WY | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-12 3:42 PM
appycowgirl - 2018-04-12 2:23 PM Yes, that's very true. Like I said, the PX gene, I'm not as concerned about because of the 7 horses of mine that are N/PX, 6 of them I've extensively rode or are still riding. The 6 horses are all descendants of my one mare Plaudit Starynite who tested out as N/PX. I've ridden and shown 3 of her daughters and we've done everything from trail rides that have been 15 to 20 miles long, to helping friends work cows to performance stuff such as barrels and done it into their teenage years with no problems. I'm currently running one of Star's grand daughters and she is 11 this year. Now, the P2, P3 and P4, I am eliminating that from my program as I strongly believe it is a problem. Currently everything that I'm breeding is P2, P3 and P4 negative.
I didn’t say you said it, I stated Slipperyslope did and that is where this “debate” goes off the rails. I agree, responsible breeding needs to take place so this terrible disease can be erradicated, everyone is in this for the good of the horse. I wish people would stop breeding any type of PSSM horse, although their horse might be symptom free, you don’t know what the next generations might have to deal with.
What worries me and scares me the most are the 5 panel purists because they really have no clue as to how bad this is all going to get if we decide to quit breeding everything that has a bad gene.
If we did that, every record that has been broke in the barrel pen or on the race track, we'll take all of that away and have to completely rebuild plus limit the gene pool severely for the bloodlines that everyone wants.
The one thing I will say is that there has been specific favorite bloodlines that everyone has clamored for and maybe we need to search outside the box a little bit to infuse some new blood to help out with the situation, but I know a lot of folks will always go for the tried and true. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | appycowgirl - 2018-04-12 12:09 PM Currently it has been taking about 2 to 3 weeks to get results as they do not test but send it out instead. I'd also recommend that anyone sending hair, send double the amount as the last I knew, they had been splitting the hair up as one lab was doing P2, p3 and P4 and another lab was doing PX. Also, everyone has been getting their P2, P3 and P4 results in about 2 to 3 weeks of time, while the PX is taking longer. Personally to me, because I have had or currently have so many N/PX horses, that's a gene that doesn't worry me unless its coupled up with something else. I know some folks on the PSSM Forum do have highly symptomatic horses with PX that are negative for P2, P3 and P4, but I know EquiSeq is moving forward on about 4 to 5 more genes, so hopefully these genes they are working on will answer things for those with symptomatic horses.
I just got results today on FlitYeahImaFirewater and he is Neg for PSSM 1, 2, 3 and 4. I guess px comes later. I got my results back in less than 10 days from when I mailed the hair. He is a son of Firewater Finale out of a daughter of Shoot Yeah and 2nd dam is by Zevi, 3rd dam is by Sinn Fein. | |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-04-12 7:39 PM appycowgirl - 2018-04-12 12:09 PM Currently it has been taking about 2 to 3 weeks to get results as they do not test but send it out instead. I'd also recommend that anyone sending hair, send double the amount as the last I knew, they had been splitting the hair up as one lab was doing P2, p3 and P4 and another lab was doing PX. Also, everyone has been getting their P2, P3 and P4 results in about 2 to 3 weeks of time, while the PX is taking longer. Personally to me, because I have had or currently have so many N/PX horses, that's a gene that doesn't worry me unless its coupled up with something else. I know some folks on the PSSM Forum do have highly symptomatic horses with PX that are negative for P2, P3 and P4, but I know EquiSeq is moving forward on about 4 to 5 more genes, so hopefully these genes they are working on will answer things for those with symptomatic horses. I just got results today on FlitYeahImaFirewater and he is Neg for PSSM 1, 2, 3 and 4. I guess px comes later. I got my results back in less than 10 days from when I mailed the hair. He is a son of Firewater Finale out of a daughter of Shoot Yeah and 2nd dam is by Zevi, 3rd dam is by Sinn Fein.
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