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Location: Mi | I'm a tribute dealer (Kalmbach) and also feed 22 horses between Kalm Ultra, Kalm N Ez, Essenital K and Essential K GC. I've had NO problems! Yes, this information will shake people up and get people talking, worring, questioning, wondering but we've bee assured the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. The "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. Anyone who would like is invited to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what not, but I'm not ready to jump ship on the feed just yet because of some quite potentially false accusations. | |
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| Ahmac - 2016-08-18 9:51 AM
I'm a tribute dealer (Kalmbach) and also feed 22 horses between Kalm Ultra, Kalm N Ez, Essenital K and Essential K GC. I've had NO problems! Yes, this information will shake people up and get people talking, worring, questioning, wondering but we've bee assured the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. The "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. Anyone who would like is invited to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what not, but I'm not ready to jump ship on the feed just yet because of some quite potentially false accusations.
I wish I still had the bag of foal foundation I was feeding at the same time. My baby was fine no problems in fact she looked great especially for an orpahan. I only get to feed it to some as we are still buying from Amazon but really love the feed. | |
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| Tdove - 2016-08-18 9:20 AM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM
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Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me.
I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility.
I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay.
You are aware that this whole thread is about a lawsuit, claiming Tribute feed caused the death of horses due to monensin poising, correct?
I'm very aware what this thread is about. There are several other feed companies that have had the same issues.. so far there are only a handful of feed companies, including yours, that have not had any issues with poisoning. This is a very educational & enlightening thread for all of us who care and love our horses and only want the best.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 2:26 PM Tdove - 2016-08-18 9:20 AM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again.. I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me. I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility. I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay. You are aware that this whole thread is about a lawsuit, claiming Tribute feed caused the death of horses due to monensin poising, correct? I'm very aware what this thread is about. There are several other feed companies that have had the same issues.. so far there are only a handful of feed companies, including yours, that have not had any issues with poisoning. This is a very educational & enlightening thread for all of us who care and love our horses and only want the best.
Tdove owns a feed company? What feed company is it? I may have seen his advertisement somewhere but guess it has sliped my mind. Is is on here somewhere?  | |
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Location: West Texas | I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I certainly don't know the truth as to what the outcome of this case will end up being.
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Location: West Texas | Additionally, I do think this thread is valid and I follow all of these poisoning cases because it is clearly a problem that someone needs to address and consumer should definitely be aware of. | |
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| Tdove - 2016-08-18 4:11 PM
I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I am certainly don't know the truth as to the outcome of this case.
My bad, I misunderstood. I get what you meant now, all this rain and mud must have seeped into my brain  | |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 4:41 PM
Tdove - 2016-08-18 4:11 PM
I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I am certainly don't know the truth as to the outcome of this case.
My bad, I misunderstood. I get what you meant now, all this rain and mud must have seeped into my brain
I missed this . I do know that Tribute may be involved in a cross contamination issue I originally changed from Triple Crown to Tribute a year ago because of issues with TC. I am hoping it isn't true because in my area I am really short on options. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing. | |
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Location: OH. IO | winwillows - 2016-08-18 7:32 PM
I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing.
Let me ask you this.im being serious..not being smarty pants.How do you guarantee your customers that you are 100 percent ionophore free??? If I asked you to convince me you are free of meds...how do you prove it too me? | |
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| I want to mention this as well, because a lot of folks are steering away from "commercial" feeds and going with whole, crimped, steam rolled etc oats... I tried that route but was extremely unhappy with the quality of oats I could get... I found plenty of whole corn, and my last round of crimped oats I found a bunch of cattle cake, whole pieces in my bags... if I could find a reliable source of good CLEAN oats that hasn't been run thru any machines I'd go that route. I was buying 40lb sacks of whole oats from my feed store and I kept finding chunks of corn and other foreign pellets so I asked where they came from and if there was any possibility of cross contamination from medicated feeds.. I didn't get an answer that satisfied me so I quit feeding those. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | jake16 - 2016-08-18 6:36 PM
winwillows - 2016-08-18 7:32 PM
I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing.
Let me ask you this.im being serious..not being smarty pants.How do you guarantee your customers that you are 100 percent ionophore free??? If I asked you to convince me you are free of meds...how do you prove it too me?
A person only has his reputation to stand on. I developed the use of stabilization of rice bran in the 1980's with the product "Natural Glo" the first high fat, low starch horse feed on the market. From that time to today, we have used human food grade ingredients to make only non gmo horse, dog and poultry products in limited facilities that have no medications of any kind on the property. Unlike the vast majority of feed manufacturers, we were performance horse people long before we made or sold feed. My wife, Suzan (yes the Suzan who usually answers the phone when you call our office) and I hauled cutting horses 40,000 miles a year. Raised two talented daughters who made the High School Rodeo Nationals 5 times between them with three trips to the short go and one overall win on horses that we actually owned. What I am saying is we have been around a while, and believe that over all those years our reputation has remained impeccable. Riders like Sherry Cervi, Dena Kerkpatrick, the late Ray Hunt and many many others trust us completely to keep their horses from harm. We do not pay them to wear those Renew Gold patches. We take that pretty seriously, because we are horse people too. | |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 6:48 PM
I want to mention this as well, because a lot of folks are steering away from "commercial" feeds and going with whole, crimped, steam rolled etc oats... I tried that route but was extremely unhappy with the quality of oats I could get... I found plenty of whole corn, and my last round of crimped oats I found a bunch of cattle cake, whole pieces in my bags... if I could find a reliable source of good CLEAN oats that hasn't been run thru any machines I'd go that route. I was buying 40lb sacks of whole oats from my feed store and I kept finding chunks of corn and other foreign pellets so I asked where they came from and if there was any possibility of cross contamination from medicated feeds.. I didn't get an answer that satisfied me so I quit feeding those.
I know whole grains are hard to find and if they are milled by any of the feed companies or even local mills they could be exposed to medicated feeds as well. We only have a few guys that we can occassional buy whole oats from straight from the field.
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| The ONLY way to have a safe feed is to use a feed that comes from a ionophore free mill. That means a mill with NO ionophores on site. I don't care how good a clean out they do...if a mill has ionophores, you run the risk of poisoning your horses.
These comments saying, "I fed *such n such* with no problems" are ludicrous. Some horses tolerate ionophores better than others. Some can be killed by a trace amount. Some bags if contaminated feed have hot spots where the ionophore is in one area, not throughout the entire bag. So the feed company claiming "That batch fed thousands of horses with no other problem" is ludicrous too.
People saying "Go to whole grains to be safe"...that isn't true either. Some facilities use oats to clean out. Others use medicated chicken feed.
Again, the ONLY safe feed is a feed that comes from an ionophore FREE facility. I literally go to 3 different feed stores to get all the ingredients I need to mix the grain mix I now use. It is a pain in the rear but everything I use comes from ionophore free mills. I have a Nutrena plant in town. I don't feed it because they do use ionophores in their bulk feed. Ionophores are on site. Even if they don't get put on the bagging side of the plant, well...that just isn't a good enough answer for me. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Our local seed dealer is also a seed cleaner. I can get very very clean locally grown bagged oats from them. They aren't as heavy as the ones grown up north, and they come in a plain brown bag, but I know they're safe. | |
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| Can the bags get contaminated if the feed is milled at an ionosphore free facility, but at the feed store they are stored with medicated cattle feed? | |
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| GLP - 2016-08-19 8:11 AM
Can the bags get contaminated if the feed is milled at an ionosphore free facility, but at the feed store they are stored with medicated cattle feed?
I wouldn't think so. | |
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| rachellyn80 - 2016-08-17 11:40 AM
If I weren't able to get the what I wanted I would begin making changes to my facilities and finances to buy the best quality forage I could find. The commercial feed companies have done an excellent job conditioning the general public to think that high fat feeds, low carb feeds, etc are a necessary part of owning horses when it simply isn't natural or true.
You obviously have never dealt with a PSSM horse. Some cannot tolerate the sugars in GRASS. What is natural about that? We have created a non-natural horse with our breeding programs.
Sigh, I had been pretty happy with the Kalm n EZ. Now what? Have never seen Renew Gold offered around here and I am guessing that it's expensive. Crap! Who can REALLY say what feeds are manufactured in ionosphere conditions for absolutely sure?? | |
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Location: West Texas | The vast majority of horses are not PSSM. A PSSM horse by definition is an unnatural condition. I would think the breeding practices should be looked at rather than the feeding practices. If you have a PSSM horse, that is one thing. But for MOST horses fat is not a normal source of energy and every horse's digestive system must adapt in order to use it as ernergy. There are very few natural fat sources a horse would come across in the evolution of their digestive system. The amounts and sources for fat additives in modern horse feed are at levels and origins that horses have never utilized in the eons of digestive evolution. High quality, protein rich forage, natural highly digestible grains, and small amounts of fat rich seeds are. That is why the overwhelming majority of horses thrive so much on that diet. It works for the youngest to the oldest. I think that is what Rachel is saying.
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