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flarenuphope
Posted 2013-10-24 11:17 AM (#6849439)
Subject: Bloodlines that cross well together ( Stallion Help)


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I have a 9 yr old mare, Polar Express, that I am leasing out for a 2014 breeding, and I was wondering if I could get some opinions and insight into bloodlines that would cross well with this mare. Her sire is Dash To Chivato and dam is A Legal Alternative who is out of Zevi. Polar was on the track as a 2 & 3yr old, won over $10k and earned a 95 S.I, she retired sound and as a broodmare.

I know the bloodlines of these barrel bred QH, however, I do not know how the certain bloodlines maturity level, attitude, train-ability and disposition is.

The mare has pretty decent conformation, but I would like to see her toned down, both height and width, a nicer head and better feet.

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Whiteboy
Posted 2013-10-24 5:34 PM (#6849915 - in reply to #6849439)
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Ever heard of zippy zevi dasher? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zippy+zevi+dasher  He is bred very similar to your mare.  This website http://www.synergystables.com/zippy_zevi_dasher.html has some of his best performing offspring.  I would look at the breeding of some of those horses.  Kaylon Rodriguez in flordia has a really nice mare named Madams Bit of Fame http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/madams+bit+of+fame  that really seems like a nice mare.   She is out of a dash for perks mare.  Hopefully this gets you started
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SKM
Posted 2013-10-24 5:59 PM (#6849928 - in reply to #6849439)
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I will respectfully disagree with Whiteboy. I would never cross a Dash To Chivato out of a Zevi daughter back onto a stallion also out out of a Zevi daughter. Beduino and a double dose of Zevi would not be my idea of a calm minded horse. 

If I was going for a barrel horse, I would look into Firewater Finale. Mainly because of his being out of a Bully mare. The Bully crossed on Beduino and Zevi tend to make a better minded horse than most bloodlines.
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barn goddess
Posted 2013-10-24 9:49 PM (#6850066 - in reply to #6849439)
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I am with SKM if you are looking to keep it and that's what you like then ok. But if you even remotely are thinking about selling this baby I would run from Ok to Canada barefoot before I took a second look at a horse that has Beduino and Zevi on it. And I am not saying that because I am a stallion owner. I just flat out don't like them. I had a horse sent to me and I had a hate-could tolerate relationship with him. He was a TALL gangly black thing that was as stupid as a road lizard when not in a arena. Thing is he was also a very quick learner. Got him going on the pattern then got his papers. He was a own son of ZZD. The next day going around the first barrel he decided to stop and flip over with me.
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Tn_Barrelracer
Posted 2013-10-24 9:56 PM (#6850074 - in reply to #6849439)
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I think what WhiteBoy meant, but I could be wrong is Zippy Zevi Dasher is bred similar to her mare so if she looked on his website at his performing offspring she might see what crossed good with that bloodlines even though it would be flipped
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jgjovig
Posted 2013-10-24 10:07 PM (#6850089 - in reply to #6849439)
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I haven't seen a picture of your mare, but from what I know and if she were mine - Blazin Jetolena or Frenchmans Fab
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ThreeCorners
Posted 2013-10-24 10:13 PM (#6850092 - in reply to #6850089)
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jgjovig - 2013-10-24 10:07 PM I haven't seen a picture of your mare, but from what I know and if she were mine - Blazin Jetolena or Frenchmans Fab

Bingo! 
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Whiteboy
Posted 2013-10-25 2:08 PM (#6850620 - in reply to #6849928)
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SKM - 2013-10-24 5:59 PM I will respectfully disagree with Whiteboy. I would never cross a Dash To Chivato out of a Zevi daughter back onto a stallion also out out of a Zevi daughter. Beduino and a double dose of Zevi would not be my idea of a calm minded horse. 



If I was going for a barrel horse, I would look into Firewater Finale. Mainly because of his being out of a Bully mare. The Bully crossed on Beduino and Zevi tend to make a better minded horse than most bloodlines.

Haha, I wasn't reccomending zippy zevi dasher as an option.  I was pointing out that he has some get that have been pretty successful, and she may want to try duplicating a similar cross and the resulting success because her mare is bred like zippy zevi dasher!  I belive he is in Brazil anyways.    
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Whiteboy
Posted 2013-10-25 2:10 PM (#6850625 - in reply to #6850074)
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Tn_Barrelracer - 2013-10-24 9:56 PM I think what WhiteBoy meant, but I could be wrong is Zippy Zevi Dasher is bred similar to her mare so if she looked on his website at his performing offspring she might see what crossed good with that bloodlines even though it would be flipped

Exactly, thanks TBR! 
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Whiteboy
Posted 2013-10-25 4:02 PM (#6850712 - in reply to #6849439)
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Also look up Kendra Dicksons' Zevi Shot The Moon- He is by a martha six moons/streakin six sire and out of a zevi mare.  Really a nice horse that was running and smokin all the hot shots earlier this year.   So I might also look for a MSM/SS stallion if there is even one out there anymore. 
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Dr. Luv
Posted 2013-10-25 4:17 PM (#6850724 - in reply to #6849439)
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Those lines should really work on Cartels Feature!
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NoGutsNoGlory
Posted 2013-10-25 4:25 PM (#6850728 - in reply to #6849439)
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I am always odd person out when it comes to Zevi and Beduino breeding. Both of my mares are Beduino bred. Both are proven 1d horses in the Texas area. The one that I just bought is by a son of Sticks and Stones thats out of a Beduino daughter, and is Zevi/ Easy Jet on the bottom. My other mare is a Royal Quick Dash.  Also my futurity filly that is in training with our trainer and placed in AZ, made it back to the Diamonds and Dirt finals, and would have won the Lucky Dog futurity but tipped a barrel is out of a Beduino mare. I will agree that those bloodlines arent for everyone. But crossed on the right stud you mare should produce a nice colt. I would go with something like Firewater Ta Fame, Firewaterontherocks, BHR Frenchies Socks or A Smooth Guy.
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flarenuphope
Posted 2013-10-25 10:11 PM (#6850890 - in reply to #6849915)
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Whiteboy - 2013-10-24 6:34 PM

Ever heard of zippy zevi dasher? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zippy+zevi+dasher  He is bred very similar to your mare.  This website http://www.synergystables.com/zippy_zevi_dasher.html has some of his best performing offspring.  I would look at the breeding of some of those horses.  Kaylon Rodriguez in flordia has a really nice mare named Madams Bit of Fame http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/madams+bit+of+fame  that really seems like a nice mare.   She is out of a dash for perks mare.  Hopefully this gets you started

What a great idea! When I first looked up this mares pedigree, I automatically looked up ZZD's because It sounded like his. Thanks everyone for the insight! I wish I had the $6k for Frenchman's Guy.lol. However, there is a young, relatively unproven, stallion a couple hours from me that seems like nice bloodlines to cross. His name is Firewater Jet Moon sired by Firewater Frost, out of a Marthas Six Moons mare.

I will start doing my research on these bloodlines y'all suggested =)

P.S here is a photo of the mare. It really doesn't do her justice, I just snapped this pic with my phone the first day I had her home.



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TurnNThree
Posted 2014-01-19 7:54 PM (#6920024 - in reply to #6850712)
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Posted 2014-01-20 8:51 AM (#6920226 - in reply to #6849439)
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Posted 2014-01-20 9:04 AM (#6920237 - in reply to #6849439)
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Now, I remember lol....That line crosses well with Special Effort.

I've seen Special Pawn or A Special Pawn and they have produced too, if I remember correctly. I don't have time to dig it all up right now. 

 
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REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
1870086 SHAWNS PAWN CHESTNUT MARE 01/01/1982 NM

Additional Horse Information for SHAWNS PAWN:

  • Deceased
  • Genetic Typed

SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
0386624 ST BAR 1677965 PRINCESS RANGLER 0692535 ROCKET WRANGLER

 

DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS
BREEDER: DIAMOND M RANCH/LARRY SCHWARTZ LOS LUNAS, NM
OWNER: BRENT L AND MISTY POLLET OAKS, OK

Racing Totals for SHAWNS PAWN
LAST RACE BEST SI STARTS WINS 2nds 3rds EARNINGS
09/1987 109 43 18( 6) 9( 3) 0( 0) $ 185,054

Stakes Totals for SHAWNS PAWN
YEAR TRACK DISTANCE PLACE DESCRIPTION GRADE EARNINGS
1984 SFE 400 1ST LA CHIRIPADA STAKES   $ 3,900
1984 ALB 400 1ST NEW MEXICO STATE FAIR FUTURITY   $ 43,468
1985 SUN 400 1ST WEST TEXAS DERBY G 2 $ 40,552
1985 ALB 440 1ST CORRALES HANDICAP   $ 9,690
1986 ALB 400 1ST CIBOLA HANDICAP   $ 9,060
1987 RUI 400 1ST ZIA HANDICAP R $ 6,360
1986 SFE 550 2ND EL CINCO CINCUENTA HANDICAP   $ 2,340
1986 SFE 440 2ND EL CAMINO REAL HANDICAP   $ 3,280
1987 RUI 440 2ND JET DECK HANDICAP G 3 $ 2,778
1984 SUN 350 4TH SUN COUNTRY FUTURITY G 1 $ 10,925
1984 SUN 400 4TH SUNLAND PARK FALL FUTURITY G 2 $ 9,399
1985 LA 400 4TH LASSIE HANDICAP G 2 $ 3,750
1987 HOL 400 8TH ANNE BURNETT INVITATIONAL HAND G 1 $ 0
1985 LA 440 9TH LOS ALAMITOS DERBY G 1 $ 0
1986 ALB 440 9TH NEW MEXICO STATE FAIR HANDICAP G 3 $ 0

Achievements for SHAWNS PAWN
YEAR TYPE DESCRIPTION  
1985 RACING SUPERIOR RACE HORSE  
1984 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT  

SHAWNS PAWN'S Offspring

SPECIAL PAWN 2974868 Sorrel Mare 02/15/1990 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- SPECIAL EFFORT 1962337
  Race: 09/1992 SI- 69 Starts- 3 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

SHAWNAWAY 3024305 Sorrel Stallion 03/01/1991
           Sire- JETAWAY EASY 1987609
  Race: 05/1993 SI- 60 Starts- 1 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

TEXAS TEAL 3130870 Sorrel Mare 03/14/1992 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- MERGANSER 2818776

RAPID RUSULTS 3249459 Sorrel Mare 05/06/1993 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- MERGANSER 2818776

A LEGAL ALTERNATIVE X0527952 Brown Mare 03/20/1995 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge; Horse Embryo Enrolled
           Sire- ZEVI (TB) T0149131
        Achievement: 1996 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED

A SPECIAL PAWN 3591389 Bay Mare 05/02/1997 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
           Sire- SPECIAL TASK 3139675
  Race: 10/2005 SI- 103 Starts- 26 Wins- 2 2nds- 4 3rds- 4 $ 11,224 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 1999 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT
        Achievement: 1998 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED

LUCKSVILLE USA 4153546 Sorrel Gelding 03/31/2001 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
           Sire- PURE D DASH 2948293
  Race: 05/2008 SI- 102 Starts- 42 Wins- 11 2nds- 6 3rds- 5 $ 116,830 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 1
    Stakes: 2004 ALB 400 3RD COTTONWOOD HANDICAP G 3 $ 4,365
    Stakes: 2004 ALB 400 4TH ALBUQUERQUE SPRING DERBY G 3 $ 2,225
    Stakes: 2004 SRP 350 5TH ANIMAS HANDICAP G 3 $ 993
        Achievement: 2006 RACING SUPERIOR RACE HORSE
        Achievement: 2003 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT
        Achievement: 2002 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED

SHAWNS ROYAL FLUSH 4247618 Sorrel Gelding 04/10/2002 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- ROYAL EVENING SNOW 3621353
  Race: 05/2004 SI- 53 Starts- 1 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

SHAWNS SMART MONEY 4565048 Sorrel Mare 03/19/2004
           Sire- FIRST SMART MONEY 3416490

Summary of SHAWNS PAWN'S Offspring
Reg Foals 9 Perf Foals 5 CYR Perf Foals 0
Race Age Foals 9        
 
Race Summary All-time 2013 Total
Starts 73 0
Starters 5 0
Wins 13 0
Winners 2 0
Stakes Wins 0 0
Stakes Winners 0 0
Stakes Placers 1 0
Money Earned $ 128,054 $ 0
Registers of Merit 2 0
2 Year Old ROMS 2 0
80+ ROMS 0 0
90+ ROMS 0 0
100+ ROMS 2 0
Superior Race Awards 1 0
World Championship 0 0
World Champions 0 0
Regional Championship 0 0
Regional Champions 0 0

Ldg Money Earner - All-time: LUCKSVILLE USA $ 116,830
Ldg Money Earner - 2013 : Not Applicable $ 0

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Posted 2014-01-20 9:09 AM (#6920243 - in reply to #6849439)
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Curiosity got the best of me lol.....It's this mare that I know. Look at her produce with Toast to Dash.


 
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REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
2974868 SPECIAL PAWN SORREL MARE 02/15/1990 TX

Additional Horse Information for SPECIAL PAWN:

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  • Parent Verified

SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
1962337 SPECIAL EFFORT 1870086 SHAWNS PAWN 0386624 ST BAR

 

DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS
BREEDER: BILLY GENE SMITH ALBUQUERQUE, NM
OWNER: GIDGET DUGAS SUNSET, LA

Racing Totals for SPECIAL PAWN
LAST RACE BEST SI STARTS WINS 2nds 3rds EARNINGS
09/1992 69 3 0( 0) 0( 0) 0( 0) $ 0

SPECIAL PAWN'S Offspring

FROZEN FORTE X0518486 Sorrel Stallion 01/09/1994 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- EIGHTY BELOW ZERO (TB) T0435632
  Race: 08/1996 SI- 76 Starts- 6 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 563 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

CAVALIER ALIBI 3398252 Sorrel Stallion 01/26/1995 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- SIR ALIBI 1987776
  Race: 12/1999 SI- 82 Starts- 13 Wins- 0 2nds- 3 3rds- 1 $ 3,965 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 1998 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT

A REAL ALIBI 3546298 Sorrel Mare 01/11/1996 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- SIR ALIBI 1987776
  Race: 11/2000 SI- 95 Starts- 28 Wins- 6 2nds- 6 3rds- 2 $ 27,412 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 1998 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT

LIKE A HEAT WAVE X0558348 Sorrel Mare 01/14/1997 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- EIGHTY BELOW ZERO (TB) T0435632
  Race: 05/1999 SI- 66 Starts- 2 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

MISS SPECIAL ALIBI 3763161 Sorrel Mare 02/21/1998 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed
           Sire- SIR ALIBI 1987776

SPECIAL LIL HERO 3898412 Sorrel Gelding 02/21/1999 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- VILLAGE HERO 1926743

DASHING PAWN 3988382 Sorrel Gelding 04/18/2000 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- DASHING VAL 2395013
  Race: 06/2002 SI- 73 Starts- 1 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 347 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

SPECIAL TOAST TO GD 4256663 Sorrel Gelding 01/28/2002 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- TOAST TO DASH 3289463
  Race: 02/2005 SI- 105 Starts- 8 Wins- 4 2nds- 2 3rds- 1 $ 242,310 Stakes- Wins- 1 2nds- 1 3rds- 0
    Stakes: 2004 LAD 400 1ST LOUISIANA QHBA FUTURITY RG1 $ 179,672
    Stakes: 2004 FG 350 2ND LOUISIANA CHAMPIONS DAY JUVENILE RG2 $ 17,525
    Stakes: 2004 EVC 350 4TH LOUISIANA QHBA SALE FUTURITY RG1 $ 25,403
        Achievement: 2004 RACING NEW TRACK RECORD EVC 350 17.746
        Achievement: 2004 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT

LIL COPPER ROSE 4436738 Sorrel Mare 01/23/2003 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- COPPER BUFF 3789787
  Race: 07/2007 SI- 80 Starts- 4 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 1 $ 2,040 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 2006 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT

SHEZA PATRIOT PAWN 4534092 Bay Mare 01/22/2004 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- GAME PATRIOT 3616120
  Race: 07/2006 SI- 0 Starts- 1 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

TOAST TO GD 4838227 Sorrel Gelding 02/28/2006 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
           Sire- TOAST TO DASH 3289463
  Race: 11/2009 SI- 83 Starts- 15 Wins- 1 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 8,730 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 2009 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT
        Achievement: 2007 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED

TOASTIN GD 5038136 Sorrel Mare 02/22/2007 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- TOAST TO DASH 3289463
  Race: 01/2012 SI- 85 Starts- 16 Wins- 1 2nds- 0 3rds- 8 $ 24,491 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
        Achievement: 2011 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT

TOAST TO KYM 5158556 Sorrel Mare 03/23/2008 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed
           Sire- TOAST TO DASH 3289463
  Race: 05/2011 SI- 65 Starts- 3 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0

Summary of SPECIAL PAWN'S Offspring
Reg Foals 13 Perf Foals 11 CYR Perf Foals 0
Race Age Foals 13        
 
Race Summary All-time 2013 Total
Starts 97 0
Starters 11 0
Wins 12 0
Winners 4 0
Stakes Wins 1 0
Stakes Winners 1 0
Stakes Placers 0 0
Money Earned $ 309,858 $ 0
Registers of Merit 6 0
2 Year Old ROMS 2 0
80+ ROMS 4 0
90+ ROMS 1 0
100+ ROMS 1 0
Superior Race Awards 0 0
World Championship 0 0
World Champions 0 0
Regional Championship 0 0
Regional Champions 0 0

Ldg Money Earner - All-time: SPECIAL TOAST TO GD $ 242,310
Ldg Money Earner - 2013 : Not Applicable $ 0

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