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CYA Ranch
Posted 2013-12-22 8:47 PM (#6900089 - in reply to #6899926)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 4:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  

It depends on your seats and hotels.  My brother took his fiance this year.  They sat 9 rows up from the 3rd barrel.  $400 each.  Stayed at the Belagio ? Spelling    He said if he's going to go to the NFR he wants to be able to see what the heck is going on instead of getting a nosebleed.  
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Calangelo
Posted 2013-12-22 9:59 PM (#6900122 - in reply to #6893421)
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I think was this boils down to, to me, is that I would go to Vegas without having tickets to the NFR and be happy as a clam shopping, and watching the live feed at one of the casinos every night and would stay a few days.  If it was in Orlando I wouldn't go unless I had rodeo tickets, which they aren't going to be adding that many and it will still probably have the same availablility issues, and I would not stay long.  I LOVE Disney but to me that's a destination and vacation in itself.  I wouldn't combine Disney World and the NFR.  I hope they work this out and it remains in Vegas.  

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MS2011
Posted 2013-12-22 10:36 PM (#6900137 - in reply to #6898386)
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CYA Ranch - 2013-12-19 8:33 PM The National Finals Rodeo still means something to most of the contestants.  I do not see them "walking" from the NFR to go to a new venue.  Besides that there is at least 1 city in the US willing to put up a lot of money to put the rodeo on.  If Florida has it....the contestants will go and the spectators will follow.  

I've never been to the NFR.  Its on my bucket list.  I'm trying to finish raising my children so I can start checking off my list.  I hate big cities and lots of people so unless the NFR comes to Brentford, South Dakota I'm thinking its not going to matter if its in Vegas or Orlando.  Either way I'll have to dull my senses. 
I dont think anybody is thinking any of the top 15 would walk from the NFR. BUT, if you were 16th on down and had another venue you could enter for big bucks you darn sure would and there are ALOT of contestants not in the top 15.  
Just take a look at all the ropers in the WSTR finals at South Point.  Those are some of the best of the best there that may not have the time and funds to go on the road like the NFR contestants do but dang they can rope.  What I also like about watching that is you can see some of the top female ropers that can't compete in the PRCA.  Same goes for Vegas putting on a rodeo that might allow the top male barrel racers to compete in a sport that they have been shut out in "the big top" so to speak.    
And the ropers there had huge expenses to enter it and the total pay off was not far behind the NFR team roping.

Sorry ya'll but the highest number roping the WSTR does is a 13.  When you consider that the triad numbering system goes up to a 9 for headers and a 10 for heelers......these guys are ammies.  They will rarely enter an open roping, and if they do, it's darn sure not with their #13 partner.  The WSTR was set up for the weekend warrior and businessmen, not professionals.  There are some pretty handy guys there, but they are not on a level with the professionals.
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Posted 2013-12-22 11:36 PM (#6900150 - in reply to #6900137)
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CYA Ranch - 2013-12-19 8:33 PM The National Finals Rodeo still means something to most of the contestants.  I do not see them "walking" from the NFR to go to a new venue.  Besides that there is at least 1 city in the US willing to put up a lot of money to put the rodeo on.  If Florida has it....the contestants will go and the spectators will follow.  

I've never been to the NFR.  Its on my bucket list.  I'm trying to finish raising my children so I can start checking off my list.  I hate big cities and lots of people so unless the NFR comes to Brentford, South Dakota I'm thinking its not going to matter if its in Vegas or Orlando.  Either way I'll have to dull my senses. 
I dont think anybody is thinking any of the top 15 would walk from the NFR. BUT, if you were 16th on down and had another venue you could enter for big bucks you darn sure would and there are ALOT of contestants not in the top 15.  
Just take a look at all the ropers in the WSTR finals at South Point.  Those are some of the best of the best there that may not have the time and funds to go on the road like the NFR contestants do but dang they can rope.  What I also like about watching that is you can see some of the top female ropers that can't compete in the PRCA.  Same goes for Vegas putting on a rodeo that might allow the top male barrel racers to compete in a sport that they have been shut out in "the big top" so to speak.    
And the ropers there had huge expenses to enter it and the total pay off was not far behind the NFR team roping.
Sorry ya'll but the highest number roping the WSTR does is a 13.  When you consider that the triad numbering system goes up to a 9 for headers and a 10 for heelers......these guys are ammies.  They will rarely enter an open roping, and if they do, it's darn sure not with their #13 partner.  The WSTR was set up for the weekend warrior and businessmen, not professionals.  There are some pretty handy guys there, but they are not on a level with the professionals.

Sorry but I beg to differ -- many of them are professional ropers in their own right.  They may not be professional NFR ropers but they aren't just some fly-by-night side-show act either.  Most of the ones I know of are actual cowboys who make a living riding pastures and working cattle everyday.  Many of them also compete in the local rodeo circuits and in some of the bigger ranch rodeos that pay out $50K to the top team.

Regardless, they rope well enough to put $5000 of their own money on the line plus expenses in getting out there.  It's also just as exciting watching that top group go for all the money when the final round gets there.  That's a pretty **** big pressure cooker right there.  You can't miss or you're screwed completely and underdogs rule the roost sometimes.
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Swannranch
Posted 2013-12-23 12:16 AM (#6900159 - in reply to #6899926)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 5:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, if not this one than another one about the NFR.  I have had friends pay in excess of $200 per seat...but I really have no idea where they bought them, or any details.  I also know people that go but watch the rodeo from the casino's and restaruants...:)  It will be exciting to watch and see what happens.

As far as pricing room rates now in Florida as opposed to rates in December...I live a couple of hours away and have been all different times of the year.  I know it's hard to believe but they do have gigantic events in the area all the time.  As big as the NFR?  I don't know. However I think hotel rates can be effected no matter where it is.  Someone posted they paid $29 plus a $15 extra charge because if was NFR week.  So that's likely to happen no matter where it is.
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Posted 2013-12-23 12:33 AM (#6900163 - in reply to #6900159)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 5:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, if not this one than another one about the NFR.  I have had friends pay in excess of $200 per seat...but I really have no idea where they bought them, or any details.  I also know people that go but watch the rodeo from the casino's and restaruants...:)  It will be exciting to watch and see what happens.

As far as pricing room rates now in Florida as opposed to rates in December...I live a couple of hours away and have been all different times of the year.  I know it's hard to believe but they do have gigantic events in the area all the time.  As big as the NFR?  I don't know. However I think hotel rates can be effected no matter where it is.  Someone posted they paid $29 plus a $15 extra charge because if was NFR week.  So that's likely to happen no matter where it is.

The $15 was a resort fee that you pay regardless of local events. It's supposed to be for amenities like parking, the pool, etc. i$15 is common, not unique to the NFR timeframe.
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stayceem
Posted 2013-12-23 2:42 AM (#6900183 - in reply to #6893421)
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Ive posted before and I talked my Mom and Sister who both travel a lot for work. Florida is a place they frequent. Ive been there a few times and although I think we need to stand behind PRCA, I just dont think I will be as inclined to go to the NFR in florida. Many of the reasons have been listed... its much more expensive, its gonna be very difficult to get airfare with holidays/cold weather/etc; everything is much more spread out; night life is lacking...

My mom knows the area well and travels a lot to big conferences. They have the conference centers but it will not be the same close knit atmosphere as Vegas. I am not saying Vegas is the only place NFR can strive but I think the NFR will be much different. only time will tell if thats a good or bad thing.

At this time, I am not interested in going to the NFR in Florida... I want to go the NFR in vegas for both the rodeo and for a good time away from my responsibilities and where I can easily find things to do. I am not a gambler or big club goer but its definetely a fun place to spend time.
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Posted 2013-12-23 7:57 AM (#6900220 - in reply to #6900089)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 4:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  

It depends on your seats and hotels.  My brother took his fiance this year.  They sat 9 rows up from the 3rd barrel.  $400 each.  Stayed at the Belagio ? Spelling    He said if he's going to go to the NFR he wants to be able to see what the heck is going on instead of getting a nosebleed.  

 CYA Ranch when did your brother buy the tickets and from where? Was it the original price through the original ticket venue or off of a site where someone was selling previous purchased tickets?
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CYA Ranch
Posted 2013-12-23 8:29 AM (#6900229 - in reply to #6900220)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 4:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  
It depends on your seats and hotels.  My brother took his fiance this year.  They sat 9 rows up from the 3rd barrel.  $400 each.  Stayed at the Belagio ? Spelling    He said if he's going to go to the NFR he wants to be able to see what the heck is going on instead of getting a nosebleed.  
 CYA Ranch when did your brother buy the tickets and from where? Was it the original price through the original ticket venue or off of a site where someone was selling previous purchased tickets?

I didn't ask him much about it.  He told me about it at Thanksgiving but he'd had them for quite a while the way it sounded.  He was rattling off what his airline tickets were (next to nothing), the rodeo tickets and the hotel.   I'll have to ask him on Wednesday where he gets his tickets.    
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Posted 2013-12-23 10:47 AM (#6900337 - in reply to #6900183)
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stayceem - 2013-12-23 2:42 AM Ive posted before and I talked my Mom and Sister who both travel a lot for work. Florida is a place they frequent. Ive been there a few times and although I think we need to stand behind PRCA, I just dont think I will be as inclined to go to the NFR in florida. Many of the reasons have been listed... its much more expensive, its gonna be very difficult to get airfare with holidays/cold weather/etc; everything is much more spread out; night life is lacking... My mom knows the area well and travels a lot to big conferences. They have the conference centers but it will not be the same close knit atmosphere as Vegas. I am not saying Vegas is the only place NFR can strive but I think the NFR will be much different. only time will tell if thats a good or bad thing. At this time, I am not interested in going to the NFR in Florida... I want to go the NFR in vegas for both the rodeo and for a good time away from my responsibilities and where I can easily find things to do. I am not a gambler or big club goer but its definetely a fun place to spend time.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the venue change. 

I clearly remember what the NFR looked like before it went to Vegas.  Vegas made the finals and the experience what it is today.  Before that the entire experience was the rodeo -- and nothing else.   
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Posted 2013-12-23 11:11 AM (#6900348 - in reply to #6900220)
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Lobo - 2013-12-22 4:32 PM Perhaps the two who paid $1200 for two nights in Las Vegas got into the $15 nut's and took the $35 sucker that was so conviently put out!  

It depends on your seats and hotels.  My brother took his fiance this year.  They sat 9 rows up from the 3rd barrel.  $400 each.  Stayed at the Belagio ? Spelling    He said if he's going to go to the NFR he wants to be able to see what the heck is going on instead of getting a nosebleed.  

 CYA Ranch when did your brother buy the tickets and from where? Was it the original price through the original ticket venue or off of a site where someone was selling previous purchased tickets?

 That is 2nd or 3rd hand. Face value of those tickets is $75. I've gotten seats that were about 4 or 5 rows up before for face value from a friend. It really depends on who you know or how good you shop. ;)
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Posted 2013-12-23 11:15 AM (#6900353 - in reply to #6893421)
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Just curious- I haven't read all 30 pages of this thread, so don't know if this was covered already or not- but I read somewhere that RFD-TV was on board with LVE more than the PRCA- do you think they are wanting the 10 days usually held by the PRCA in Vegas for their AMERICAN venue?   
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Posted 2013-12-23 11:16 AM (#6900354 - in reply to #6900150)
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CYA Ranch - 2013-12-19 8:33 PM The National Finals Rodeo still means something to most of the contestants.  I do not see them "walking" from the NFR to go to a new venue.  Besides that there is at least 1 city in the US willing to put up a lot of money to put the rodeo on.  If Florida has it....the contestants will go and the spectators will follow.  

I've never been to the NFR.  Its on my bucket list.  I'm trying to finish raising my children so I can start checking off my list.  I hate big cities and lots of people so unless the NFR comes to Brentford, South Dakota I'm thinking its not going to matter if its in Vegas or Orlando.  Either way I'll have to dull my senses. 
I dont think anybody is thinking any of the top 15 would walk from the NFR. BUT, if you were 16th on down and had another venue you could enter for big bucks you darn sure would and there are ALOT of contestants not in the top 15.  
Just take a look at all the ropers in the WSTR finals at South Point.  Those are some of the best of the best there that may not have the time and funds to go on the road like the NFR contestants do but dang they can rope.  What I also like about watching that is you can see some of the top female ropers that can't compete in the PRCA.  Same goes for Vegas putting on a rodeo that might allow the top male barrel racers to compete in a sport that they have been shut out in "the big top" so to speak.    
And the ropers there had huge expenses to enter it and the total pay off was not far behind the NFR team roping.
Sorry ya'll but the highest number roping the WSTR does is a 13.  When you consider that the triad numbering system goes up to a 9 for headers and a 10 for heelers......these guys are ammies.  They will rarely enter an open roping, and if they do, it's darn sure not with their #13 partner.  The WSTR was set up for the weekend warrior and businessmen, not professionals.  There are some pretty handy guys there, but they are not on a level with the professionals.
Sorry but I beg to differ -- many of them are professional ropers in their own right.  They may not be professional NFR ropers but they aren't just some fly-by-night side-show act either.  Most of the ones I know of are actual cowboys who make a living riding pastures and working cattle everyday.  Many of them also compete in the local rodeo circuits and in some of the bigger ranch rodeos that pay out $50K to the top team.



Regardless, they rope well enough to put $5000 of their own money on the line plus expenses in getting out there.  It's also just as exciting watching that top group go for all the money when the final round gets there.  That's a pretty **** big pressure cooker right there.  You can't miss or you're screwed completely and underdogs rule the roost sometimes.

It's a cool set up...but if you miss one, you're not completely screwed.
1. Every team in the short round gets a check.  Min of $6000 just for making it.
2. It's not your typical team roping progressive on 1.  Everyone gets 3 full rounds.  3 chances to win great go round checks.
3. There is a consulation within each roping where the teams that don't make the short round get to drop their longest time.  Consulation short go is run as it's own roping, it pays very well.
4. You have to win a spot in vegas unless you are a legacy member.  This means that each team won a min of $5000 that they could use to enter.

It goes all the way down to a #9, that's pretty low on the handicap system.   Even in the #13, if you're a #9 heeler (which is a professional)...you've got to rope with a #4 header(which is an upper level novice).  Here's a link to number definitions. 
http://www.ustrc.com/Knowledge/Rulebook/

It's a much softer set up than any prca rodeo, you can't compare them.  Look at the difference in barriers.

 
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Posted 2013-12-23 11:39 AM (#6900370 - in reply to #6900137)
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CYA Ranch - 2013-12-19 8:33 PM The National Finals Rodeo still means something to most of the contestants.  I do not see them "walking" from the NFR to go to a new venue.  Besides that there is at least 1 city in the US willing to put up a lot of money to put the rodeo on.  If Florida has it....the contestants will go and the spectators will follow.  

I've never been to the NFR.  Its on my bucket list.  I'm trying to finish raising my children so I can start checking off my list.  I hate big cities and lots of people so unless the NFR comes to Brentford, South Dakota I'm thinking its not going to matter if its in Vegas or Orlando.  Either way I'll have to dull my senses. 
I dont think anybody is thinking any of the top 15 would walk from the NFR. BUT, if you were 16th on down and had another venue you could enter for big bucks you darn sure would and there are ALOT of contestants not in the top 15.  
Just take a look at all the ropers in the WSTR finals at South Point.  Those are some of the best of the best there that may not have the time and funds to go on the road like the NFR contestants do but dang they can rope.  What I also like about watching that is you can see some of the top female ropers that can't compete in the PRCA.  Same goes for Vegas putting on a rodeo that might allow the top male barrel racers to compete in a sport that they have been shut out in "the big top" so to speak.    
And the ropers there had huge expenses to enter it and the total pay off was not far behind the NFR team roping.
Sorry ya'll but the highest number roping the WSTR does is a 13.  When you consider that the triad numbering system goes up to a 9 for headers and a 10 for heelers......these guys are ammies.  They will rarely enter an open roping, and if they do, it's darn sure not with their #13 partner.  The WSTR was set up for the weekend warrior and businessmen, not professionals.  There are some pretty handy guys there, but they are not on a level with the professionals.

I didn't say they were at the level of the NFR ropers although there were former NFR ropers roping there. My point is they had the money almost equal to the NFR. Yes..they had their own expenses and entry fees to pay but they still put on one heck of a roping that paid well and they didn't have to run all over the country to qualify for it.
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Posted 2013-12-23 11:44 AM (#6900373 - in reply to #6893421)
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~~Here are the Top Ten Ropings for 2013

1. NFR Team Roping - $1,562,500 Million

2. WSTR #10 Finale - $1,536,000 Million

3. WSTR #12 Finale - $1,526,000 Million

4. WSTR #11 Finale - $1,481,000 Million

5. WSTR #13 Finale - $1,420,000 Million

6. WSTR #9 Finale - $1,120,000 Million


7. Reno Rodeo Invitational - $915,000

8. George Strait Invitational - $676,800

9. USTRC #9 Shoot Out - $501,700

10. Bob Feist Invitational - $490,000

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nec05key
Posted 2014-07-08 5:17 AM (#7020214 - in reply to #6893462)
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BamaCanChaser
Posted 2014-07-08 8:31 AM (#7020257 - in reply to #7020214)
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Hey what was the final statement.

It's staying in Vegas for the time being.
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Posted 2014-07-08 11:40 AM (#7020386 - in reply to #6893421)
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Although I believe I saw the National Circuit Finals will be moving to Florida.  
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Posted 2014-07-08 6:36 PM (#7020607 - in reply to #7020214)
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Vegas keeps the NFR for the next 10 years.

Florida gets the RNCFR as a consolation prize, but they seem to really want it. I've heard good things about what they have planned. We'll see how it all pans out.

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