Posted 2014-03-24 10:33 AM (#6961931 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
I just recently (in the last 2 months) purchased 2 new horses... 1, 6 year old, grade gelding, and 1, 6 year old, very well bred gelding. I did not care about papers when purchasing my grade guy because he was such a good beginners horse, but I have since done some research and contacted previous owners and such and he Sun Frost bred but it will never make a difference to me because he is so awesome with my 2 and 4 year old.
But when I was looking for me, I was looking for registered for resale value, just in case he is not a lifer at our place.
I ran 1 grade and 1 OTTB growing up, in high school purchased another grade that I ran, in college I ran 2 registered horses... Doesn't really make a difference to me but my husband always worries about resale values and registered usually brings more.
Posted 2014-03-24 10:41 AM (#6961941 - in reply to #6961773) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
dianeguinn - 2014-03-24 12:20 AM I won't own a grade horse simply because there are so many genetic diseases out there now that you won't know they have if they are grade, and unscrupulous horse traders will get rid of their papers and sell them as grade if they're a good looking, nice broke horse and then when the horse collapses or ties up after running, you won't know why. Also, I train for resale, and it's hard to get your money out of a grade horse.
With so many backyard breeders and irresponsible horse people how would you ever know that the horse wasn't inbred? That would be my biggest fear of all.
Posted 2014-03-25 5:01 PM (#6963203 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
Here is another reason I don't buy grade. Was contacted today through facebook because a new friend had looked through my photos and realized she had a grade mare that had my brand. She knew the mare was so nice that she probably had papers somewhere, and wanted to find out how she was bred. I told her the mare would probably be dead now, as I had owned her in the late '80's and she did confirm that the mare had died a couple of years ago, but they would still like to know how she was bred. They were told she was 20 when they purchased her for their daughter. The mare was foaled in 1973, which made her around 30 when these people purchased her. This is not the first time people have contacted me about a grade horse that had my brand that ended up a LOT older than it was represented to be. I've never owned a grade horse, so if it has my brand, it had papers at one time....and everytime I'm contacted about a horse I used to own, we find out that the horse is actually at least 10 years older than what they were represented. Unfortunately, unscrupulous horse traders will throw away the papers on a nice barrel horse that's around 19/20 (the mare I mentioned above was 15 when I sold her) and sell them for a 10 to 12 yr old to unsuspecting buyers. Each time they're sold, they take a few years off. There's no way of knowing by their teeth how old they are after they are 12 or so....and the traders know it. No way will I buy a grade horse. I want to know who's owned the horse, how old it truly is, and what kind of genetics are behind it. JMO
Posted 2014-06-16 1:31 PM (#7010288 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
I like having papers. I like having excellent breeding to ensure that I have at least a decent chance of training this horse to be competitive, based on it's family history. In fact, if i'm going to pour all my time and money into a prospect to possibly re-sell, I HAVE TO have papers and at least decent breeding. Period. I like to know how it's bred, I like to know the exact age, I like to know who bred it, who has previously owned it etc. It also makes the horse more valuable, especially if it's a fertile mare that could eventually be bred. HOWEVER- If i'm buying a finished horse to keep for myself, and it is a proven winner, I don't care about breeding. It can be WP bred for all care, as long as it's running at the level I want. I do need papers though, it's like a form of insurance to me to prove that I really am buying what I think I am buying. But I do like people coming in and kicking butt on their grade horses! So fun and inspiring to watch
Posted 2014-11-03 8:34 PM (#7074448 - in reply to #6961931) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
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Posted 2015-09-02 8:41 AM (#7194545 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
Honestly , it all just depends on the horse. The horses attitude and heart. I have a complete mut pony who will knock the sox off some registered horses. But like I said , it all depends on the horse . They all deserve. Chance to prove themselves (:
Posted 2015-09-02 1:30 PM (#7194682 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..."
Both my barrel horses are registered. I've had both good and bad registered ones and good and bad grade ones. For barrel racing, I won't buy a grade. However, for the family to ride around on trails, etc., I would consider something if it's cheap enough. But like Diane said, if it's advertised as 16 it's probably 26 or older. I don't think I'd pick up a grade that's not obviously younger. But again, you never do know the genetics and health potentials so it's a risk for sure.
I do currently have 2 grades, but both were rescues. The gelding I've had for quite a while and he's 13 now. The other one is a yearling. The gelding has sooo many behavioral issues stemming from his past, but is good for hubby trail horse so he suits our needs. The baby is a mystery at this point so I'll have to see how she turns out. I wouldn't dismiss putting her on barrels, but I also didn't get her for resale so it's no concern one way or another whether she can run.
Posted 2015-09-02 1:50 PM (#7194692 - in reply to #6912087) Subject: RE: Grade Vs. Registered
I currently own 2 grade horses. I was able to ride both horses for at least a month before purchasing, and i will say, they are probably the two best horses Ive ever had. Hearts the size of texas and no major health issues at all. I also know that both had papers at some point, but have been lost. I have been able to track most of them back, and verify age within 2 years. And yes both are older horses. 1 is 24 years old, and the other is 17 years old. Both still run barrels and poles. The 17 year old is my rodeo horse, and she still places and wins. The other runs 2d-3d at jackpots and nbha shows and 4d at big barrel races. Not having papers doesn't bother me as long as the horse is good at its job and trustworthy.
Papers can be forged also. I know a horse that is actually 5 this year, but her papers say she is 4 years old due to issues with the breeding reports and such. But the horse still has papers....