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BMW
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-01-31 6:39 PM (#6928661)
Subject: Paint incentive in barrel racing and solid paint


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I know nothing about the paint incentive fund in barrel racing and keep forgetting to call APHA during business hours. Can someone tell me how it works and if a solid registered paint would qualify? Thanks.
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mhprimetime
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2014-01-31 7:16 PM (#6928689 - in reply to #6928661)
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you can get all the information from the apha.com website...your solid paint is eligible as long as it has one regular registry paint as dam or sire... this is a great Incentive and we are getting more and more shows sanctioned for PBRIP.  or message RB Performace  aka Melanie Bearden for more info.
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FlyingHigh1454
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2014-01-31 10:13 PM (#6928791 - in reply to #6928661)
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Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.

Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
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Casady
Reg. Jul 2009
Posted 2014-02-01 8:38 AM (#6928850 - in reply to #6928661)
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yes solid paints are just as good as colored paints. I have so many colored paints that when I get a solid I get excited . It is so hard to get a solid I have tried for years to get a black solid paint , not brown I want a black
 
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KV Farm
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2014-02-01 9:27 AM (#6928872 - in reply to #6928661)
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BMW - 2014-01-31 6:39 PM

I know nothing about the paint incentive fund in barrel racing and keep forgetting to call APHA during business hours. Can someone tell me how it works and if a solid registered paint would qualify? Thanks.

I looked into this and while it sounds great and looks good on paper- I joined and it was absolutely a waste of money. I ran at the race in Alvarado and it took them a month or more to post the results. (after I made multiple requests)The people at the table did not know what they were talking about when I asked questions and their greatest concern was to convince me to run at the sweepstakes at the paint world. Which thank goodness I did not do... they told me that the D and G crew were doing the ground there.... which turned out to be a falsehood.

They are very unorganized and the barrel racers are not a priority to them- all they want is to promote it and not support it.

This is just another APHA disappointment

that being said - they told me solid registered paints are allowed :)

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BMW
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-02-01 9:40 AM (#6928875 - in reply to #6928661)
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Thanks for everyone's replies.
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Runnin < C >
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-02-02 10:49 AM (#6929239 - in reply to #6928791)
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent. Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
 this is NOT correct.

2013 and after horses not only have to have one regular registry parent but ALSO a regular registry grand parent (2nd generation)

Edited by Runnin < C > 2014-02-02 10:50 AM
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Honeymoney
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2014-02-02 11:58 AM (#6929261 - in reply to #6928791)
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM

Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.

Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)

The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.
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Runnin < C >
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-02-02 12:10 PM (#6929267 - in reply to #6929261)
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Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM

FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM

Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.

Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)

The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.

not correct. Please read post above
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Honeymoney
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2014-02-02 12:50 PM (#6929282 - in reply to #6929267)
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Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM

Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM

FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM

Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.

Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)

The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.

not correct. Please read post abovei

Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points.

I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM.

2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION.

3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there.

4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in.

5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses.

Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership.

http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.

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Runnin < C >
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-02-02 1:40 PM (#6929300 - in reply to #6929282)
Subject: RE: Paint incentive in barrel racing and solid paint



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Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 12:50 PM
Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent. Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)
The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.
not correct. Please read post abovei
Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points. I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM. 2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION. 3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there. 4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in. 5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses. Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership. http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.

 Was talking about the one paint parent is all you need. That is not correct.
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BMW
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-02-02 1:44 PM (#6929303 - in reply to #6929282)
Subject: RE: Paint incentive in barrel racing and solid paint


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Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 12:50 PM

Runnin < C > - 2014-02-02 12:10 PM

Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 11:58 AM

FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-01-31 10:13 PM

Yes, solids can as long as one regular registry parent.

Sadly, no races around me do it, but even if they did, I don't qualify as an acceptable rider to get points with her. I don't own her or am related to the owner, so I can't get points with her (which REALLY sucks)

The horse is the one that accumulates the points--not the rider. As long as you are a member of APHA the horse is eligible. The horse must have at least one parent in the regular registry.

not correct. Please read post abovei

Hmmm my trainer runs my horse and he gets the points. She also ran at the world show in barrel and poles the day before the Sweepstakes. The ground was great. I do not think it was as good for the sweepstakes as the World Show classes. A girl rides a friends horse at some of our shows and enters in the BRIP. The horse gets the points.

I. If you think APHA does anything in a hurry, you are living in a dream world. I got my ROM in the mail last Wed. and my horse got it at the World Show Nov 12. Last time I checked they did not have his Res World Champion on his performance record or his ROM.

2. APHA does lack organization---They did not even have my horse listed in the results of the World Show in Poles and HE WAS RES. WORLD CHAMPION.

3. If you expect to go to ANY breed show and expect the ground to be the same as a 4D barrel race, you better lower your expectations. The shows cater to the horses that bring in the most money at a show and it is not the 3 barrel racers there.

4. The BARREL RACING INCENTIVE PROGRAM is another way for APHA to make money off you just like the PAC program or RIDE AMERICA PROGRAM--you get out of it what you want to put in.

5. My complaint about the SWEEPSTAKES was --- if it is a 4D barrel race, it needs to be a true 4D and not all the money going to the top tem horses.

Here is an attachment of the rules---It says you need a registered paint horse--says nothing about ownership.

http://apha.com/pbrip Melanie Bearden is the representative for APHA at the barrel races in the TX OK area. She is quite knowledgeable.


Thanks for this-looked on APHA web site but didn't know where to look after i got there.
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ausranch
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-02-02 6:41 PM (#6929404 - in reply to #6928850)
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Casady - 2014-02-01 7:38 AM

yes solid paints are just as good as colored paints. I have so many colored paints that when I get a solid I get excited . It is so hard to get a solid I have tried for years to get a black solid paint , not brown I want a black
 

OMG . . . this makes me laugh SO hard! If you like the solids, can I ever fix you up!

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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-02-03 9:44 AM (#6929704 - in reply to #6928661)
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PBRIP isn't a points program. What it does is basically turns any barrel race into a co-sanctioned event. But it is a money-earned event. The payout works like any other sidepot at a barrel race. Those who enter and place, get paid on a 4D payout. It's $30 to enter and something like 85% goes back into payout. I would have to go look at my notes. I went to the PBRIP meeting at Heritage a couple weeks ago. I've also entered several PBRIP events as well as the World Sweepstakes last year. ANY event can be a PBRIP event , just talk to your producer and APHA and set it up. Any other questions, yes contact Melanie Bearden or myself Amy Compton (comptonranch@yahoo.com) and I'll do what I can to help.
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FlyingHigh1454
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2014-02-03 9:51 AM (#6929713 - in reply to #6928661)
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Gosh you guys jumped on me. I never meant that it was a point thing, I meant I am not allowed to run her for points. I have already tried with APHA for years and I cannot run her to get her points. We are not eligible, I have been screwing with them for years before I just said forget it.

The APHA lady told me it was 1 regular registry parent, so that's what I repeated. If it's wrong, then I really don't care because I don't do it and no races near me do it either.
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Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2014-02-03 10:18 AM (#6929739 - in reply to #6929704)
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SkysTheLimit - 2014-02-03 9:44 AM

PBRIP isn't a points program. What it does is basically turns any barrel race into a co-sanctioned event. But it is a money-earned event. The payout works like any other sidepot at a barrel race. Those who enter and place, get paid on a 4D payout. It's $30 to enter and something like 85% goes back into payout. I would have to go look at my notes. I went to the PBRIP meeting at Heritage a couple weeks ago. I've also entered several PBRIP events as well as the World Sweepstakes last year. ANY event can be a PBRIP event , just talk to your producer and APHA and set it up. Any other questions, yes contact Melanie Bearden or myself Amy Compton (comptonranch@yahoo.com) and I'll do what I can to help.

So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along?
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LoneStar
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Posted 2014-02-03 10:42 AM (#6929756 - in reply to #6928661)
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PBRIP has made it where your normal 4D barrel races can be co-sanctioned with APHA to earn points on your horse.   PBRIP adds sidepot money to existing races to benefit APHA horses.   

I know APHA has not always been the best to deal with however they are working very hard to make this a beneficial program.  It is going to take a bit to work out all the kinks.  

PBRIP Rules: 


The Paint Barrel Racing Incentive Program (PBRIP) has been created to increase opportunities and 
purses for its members who breed, promote and race American Paint Horse (APHA) barrel horses. 
APHA through PBRIP will coordinate and organize paint barrel races, by raising funds through an 
Annual Stallion Service Auction, PBRIP enrollment program and a future Stallion Subscription 
Program. PBRIP will be managed by APHA pursuant to the following Rules: 
 
1. Horse Eligibility Rules 
The following rules must be complied with in order for a horse to be eligible to compete in a 
PBRIP side pot and/or to be eligible to receive any PBRIP incentives or awards. 
 
a. ALL APHA registered horses foaled prior to January 1, 2013 will be allowed to participate in PBRIP. 
 
ALL FOALS FOALED ON OR AFTER JANUARY 1, 2013 MUST COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE 
FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS TO BE ELIGIBLE. 
 
b. ALL Regular registered horses foaled on or after January 1, 2013 will be allowed to participate in 
PBRIP. 
 
c. ALL Solid Paint-Bred registered horses foaled on or after January 1, 2013 must have at least one 
Regular Registry Paint Horse in the first generation and at least one Regular Registry Paint Horse in the 
second generation OR two Regular Registry Paint Horses in the first generation. 
 
**Regular Registry is any horse that is registered as Tobiano, Overo, Tovero. 
**Solid Paint-Bred Registry is any horse that is solid in color with minimal or no white. 
 
2. PBRIP Enrollment 
In order to participate in any PBRIP side pots a competitor must be a current APHA member and 
an enrolled participant before or at the time of entry to the relevant PBRIP side pot event. 
 
a. The annual PBRIP enrollment fee will be $35. Enrollment can be purchased at any time during 
the year. The enrollment will expire one year after fee is paid. 
b. The PBRIP side pots at the selected barrel races will be limited to current enrolled PBRIP 
participants. If not currently enrolled, a competitor may enroll at the time of entry and become 
eligible to compete in PBRIP side pot events. 
c. Enrollment fees collected shall be used for added money to PBRIP side pots at selected 
barrels races within the discretion of PBRIP and/or APHA, less 15% advertising and 
administration. PBRIP side pot added money will only be available at races designated and 
authorized by APHA and/or PBRIP.

 
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Reg. May 2004
Posted 2014-02-03 10:44 AM (#6929758 - in reply to #6929739)
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So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along?

 Yes,  Your horse earns points that will apply towards your ROM
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Posted 2014-02-03 10:46 AM (#6929759 - in reply to #6929713)
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-04 8:51 AM Gosh you guys jumped on me. I never meant that it was a point thing, I meant I am not allowed to run her for points. I have already tried with APHA for years and I cannot run her to get her points. We are not eligible, I have been screwing with them for years before I just said forget it. The APHA lady told me it was 1 regular registry parent, so that's what I repeated. If it's wrong, then I really don't care because I don't do it and no races near me do it either.

Any producer can submit an application to have their race PBRIP Approved ( Co-Sanctioned with APHA)      Tell them you would like it to be PBRIP and problem solved :)  
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Posted 2014-02-03 10:47 AM (#6929761 - in reply to #6929758)
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LoneStar - 2014-02-03 10:44 AM

So- if you are correct and we do not get points towards our ROM's - Melanie also mis lead me about this as well. She said they are judged shows and depending on the amount of judges depends on the points earned. PBRIP needs to get their story straight and educate the representatives working the booths and promoting this. About everything I have been told by them has been wrong. Are they just making it up as they go along?

 Yes,  Your horse earns points that will apply towards your ROM

Excellent- Thanks for confirming
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