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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-11 12:03 PM (#6974592 - in reply to #6974588)
Subject: RE: Rancher VS. Government


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jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.

I don't think grazing leases would stand in the way of fracking.  You could do both. 

As is being done in West Texas and other parts of the U.S.
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FlyingJT
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2014-04-11 12:04 PM (#6974593 - in reply to #6974581)
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Does the above article make any sense? 

I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.

But this is talking about the land in question:

BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.
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bscanchaser
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-04-11 12:57 PM (#6974627 - in reply to #6974581)
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Does the above article make any sense? 

I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.

You are correct. The town of Wells is 350 miles away.
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-11 1:02 PM (#6974628 - in reply to #6974593)
Subject: RE: Rancher VS. Government


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FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 12:04 PM

jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM

Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM

Does the above article make any sense? 

I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.

But this is talking about the land in question:

BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.

Still a matter of 'Follow The Money'! And Solar Panels areas are NOT compatible with grazing cows.
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dhdqhllc
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2014-04-11 1:07 PM (#6974630 - in reply to #6974628)
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i'm not sure how many cows or tortoises are gonna graze on a dry desert lake bed..............just sayin.....
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bscanchaser
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-04-11 2:21 PM (#6974673 - in reply to #6974628)
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FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 12:04 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.
But this is talking about the land in question: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.
Still a matter of 'Follow The Money'! And Solar Panels areas are NOT compatible with grazing cows.

The cows grazing is kind of mute point since Clark County purchased and retired the grazing permits to this land.  I'm kind of amazed at the how quickly people jump on bandwagons- here is a quick jog of the memory on the history... Bundy quit paying for the land lease in 1993, Clark County purchases and retires grazing permits in 1998... Fast forward all the way to 2012 when BLM first documented the first stakeholder workshops for the Dry Lake solar panels- I'm actually kind of amazed at how many people are grasping at straws.  Now how exactly did the solar panels affect his choice to quit paying fees 19 years earlier?  
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-11 2:27 PM (#6974675 - in reply to #6974673)
Subject: RE: Rancher VS. Government


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bscanchaser - 2014-04-11 2:21 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-11 1:02 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 12:04 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.
But this is talking about the land in question: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.
Still a matter of 'Follow The Money'! And Solar Panels areas are NOT compatible with grazing cows.

The cows grazing is kind of mute point since Clark County purchased and retired the grazing permits to this land.  I'm kind of amazed at the how quickly people jump on bandwagons- here is a quick jog of the memory on the history... Bundy quit paying for the land lease in 1993, Clark County purchases and retires grazing permits in 1998... Fast forward all the way to 2012 when BLM first documented the first stakeholder workshops for the Dry Lake solar panels- I'm actually kind of amazed at how many people are grasping at straws.  Now how exactly did the solar panels affect his choice to quit paying fees 19 years earlier?  

An even more relevant question is: Why is The BLM just now taking notice of this situation? There is more here than meets the eye. Tis the reason for "Follow The Money". Who will profit the greatest from removing Cliven Bundy from this locale? Any one with qualified answers to legitimate questions?
Another relevant question: Why has there not been a Civil Trial to determine who should be where?
Legitimate question: Since Clark County claims title to this tract of land, why does Clark County need The BLM to enforce Clark County Business?
Many legitimate questions with NOT ONE Legitimate Answer.
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bscanchaser
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-04-11 2:52 PM (#6974695 - in reply to #6974675)
Subject: RE: Rancher VS. Government




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foundation horse - 2014-04-11 2:27 PM
bscanchaser - 2014-04-11 2:21 PM
foundation horse - 2014-04-11 1:02 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 12:04 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.
But this is talking about the land in question: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.
Still a matter of 'Follow The Money'! And Solar Panels areas are NOT compatible with grazing cows.
The cows grazing is kind of mute point since Clark County purchased and retired the grazing permits to this land.  I'm kind of amazed at the how quickly people jump on bandwagons- here is a quick jog of the memory on the history... Bundy quit paying for the land lease in 1993, Clark County purchases and retires grazing permits in 1998... Fast forward all the way to 2012 when BLM first documented the first stakeholder workshops for the Dry Lake solar panels- I'm actually kind of amazed at how many people are grasping at straws.  Now how exactly did the solar panels affect his choice to quit paying fees 19 years earlier?  
An even more relevant question is: Why is The BLM just now taking notice of this situation? There is more here than meets the eye. Tis the reason for "Follow The Money". Who will profit the greatest from removing Cliven Bundy from this locale? Any one with qualified answers to legitimate questions? Another relevant question: Why has there not been a Civil Trial to determine who should be where? Legitimate question: Since Clark County claims title to this tract of land, why does Clark County need The BLM to enforce Clark County Business? Many legitimate questions with NOT ONE Legitimate Answer.

 Well this isn't a new development for the BLM in the last 3 weeks.  The BLM has been trying to get them to remove their cattle since they cancelled his permit and has been working on behalf of Clark County for nearly 15 years.  Bundy has lost 2 federal court cases and had court orders to remove his cattle.  In 2012, the BLM initiated round-ups but after Bundy threatened harm they regrouped and started to restructure the approach. Requested 2 separate times last year giving 90 day eviction notices which he failed to comply to so now they are evicting him.  If he would have removed his herd himself- he wouldn't have lost anything that truly belonged to him.  

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Turner1
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-04-11 3:29 PM (#6974728 - in reply to #6974593)
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FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 11:04 AM
jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.
But this is talking about the land in question: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.

More on the solar Energy.

http://www.dmldaily.com/land-grab-is-sen-reid-in-bed-with-the-chinese/
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-04-11 5:15 PM (#6974787 - in reply to #6974728)
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Turner1 - 2014-04-11 3:29 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-04-11 11:04 AM
jbhoot - 2014-04-11 11:53 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-04-11 11:38 AM Does the above article make any sense? 
I read this. But I am not sure it is credible. I am not sure the blog is talking about the land that is in question. The leases they talk about are in northern Nevada.
But this is talking about the land in question: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone WASHINGTON, D.C. – Washington, D.C. - The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) today announced that it is accepting preliminary right-of-way (ROW) applications and expressions of interest from interested parties for conducting a solar competitive auction on the 5,717–acre Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone in Clark County, Nevada.
More on the solar Energy.



http://www.dmldaily.com/land-grab-is-sen-reid-in-bed-with-the-chine...
There are many rumors and speculations surfacing about what is taking place at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada.  The last speculation is that Sen Harry Reid is working with China to build solar farms on the land where Bundy’s cattle graze.   Typically, we stay far away from the rumor mills, but in this case we’re going out on a limb because something isn’t right in Nevada.  The entire situation is strange.
One rumor that continues to surface claims the Bureau of Land Management, whose Director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.  Word floating around the web is thata BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”
“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.
Another rumor is chasing a BLM report entitled Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (BLM Technical Note 444).  Apparently, it reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States”.   If any of this information can be confirmed we will try to be the first to let you know.  Right now it is complete speculation, we cannot emphasize this enough.
Read more at http://www.dmldaily.com/land-grab-is-sen-reid-in-bed-with-the-chinese/#gz3P4DMDYt1T8iSB.99 
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2014-04-11 5:45 PM (#6974803 - in reply to #6972791)
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 The CBS Evening news is about to show this Rancher. 
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2014-04-11 5:51 PM (#6974807 - in reply to #6972791)
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rodeomom13
Reg. Apr 2008
Posted 2014-04-11 5:59 PM (#6974810 - in reply to #6972791)
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 Bundy is going about this all wrong. He should be committing voter fraud, gun trafficking, or become an illegal alien, or join Islam, heck, just become a Democratic Senator. That way he could get away with anything. The government would leave him alone.

I still say there is more to it than an unpaid lease.
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musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-11 6:05 PM (#6974811 - in reply to #6972791)
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Here's a video that's pretty interesting...a guy that worked for the BLM in the 90's shares some history on this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkXbV9X6XX0&sns=fb

 
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Itsme
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2014-04-11 9:43 PM (#6974871 - in reply to #6972791)
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txdad
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-04-11 10:22 PM (#6974885 - in reply to #6972791)
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 Holy crap!!!  I just read all 10 pages of this....




you have have got to stop with all the dang quoting! 
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-04-11 10:30 PM (#6974890 - in reply to #6974810)
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rodeomom13 - 2014-04-11 5:59 PM  Bundy is going about this all wrong. He should be committing voter fraud, gun trafficking, or become an illegal alien, or join Islam, heck, just become a Democratic Senator. That way he could get away with anything. The government would leave him alone.



I still say there is more to it than an unpaid lease.

Exactly!! What is this country coming too???
 
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-04-11 11:18 PM (#6974899 - in reply to #6972791)
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 I'm going to copy and past this from facebook.
 
Here it is........... From the source!
I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here ...it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-04-11 11:25 PM (#6974901 - in reply to #6974899)
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ThreeCorners - 2014-04-11 11:18 PM  I'm going to copy and past this from facebook.

 
Here it is........... From the source!











I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here ...it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks








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    Dustin J Davis Olson The government is stealing this mans cattle and then if they can get away with it, murder him and anyone with'em on his ranch. This is why people are there trying to record everything. Last report I read on a support site was the government had disabled cell towers in the area to keep information from getting out.
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    Ron Slimp Dustin, I've been interested since I got wind of this. I read a couple of articles yesterday after having been made aware by a friend about Big Oil buying permits to do fracking development work on shale deposits on the property. Just last Tuesday alone there was $1.27M spent by oil companies for these permits. I checked three different sources re: the oil operations permits, looks legit to me. Desert Tortoise's? That Dog don't hunt..
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musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-12 12:37 PM (#6975095 - in reply to #6972791)
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Who knows if this is accurate or true...but, I certanly hope so!
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/129003-breaking-news-armed-standoff-bundy-ranch-ends-feds-leaving/

 
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