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Equiresp, the new big thing...the good, bad and ugly, is it WORTH it?

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Whoop Z Day Z
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2015-03-23 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: Equiresp, the new big thing...the good, bad and ugly, is it WORTH it?


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Colloidal silver works amazing on tooth aches too!!! I have used it on wounds as well and had good luck
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soonergirl98
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Posted 2015-03-23 12:46 PM
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I think a horse with a respiratory issue would benefit from it. I tried it this past weekend at an NBHA with a allergies and coughs alot in the warm up pen. She did not cough this weekend and she was treated Sat and Sun. So it seems to work. My vet has even bought a unit and uses it on horses that come in with respiratory issues.
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SharonDugger
Reg. Mar 2015
Posted 2015-03-23 3:18 PM
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So what is the difference between EquiResp and Silver Horse Care?
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DunIt
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2015-03-23 3:23 PM
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whatadoll - 2015-03-23 11:30 AM We're you told to stop using a nebulizer or the colloidal silver?

Both
 
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soonergirl98
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2015-03-23 4:04 PM
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The silver is different. And I cannot remember how to explain it. Hopefully Vickie James or Tonda will see this and explain it. I don't want to say anything incorrect.
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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-03-23 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: Equiresp, the new big thing...the good, bad and ugly, is it WORTH it?



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This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
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arion
Reg. Mar 2015
Posted 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
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rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM

This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever. Β I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81YΒ 

that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page

"how much is too much"

never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique
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hoofs_in_motion
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2015-03-23 4:16 PM
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rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 

no way jose am i ever going to use something like this on my horse! 
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-23 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Equiresp, the new big thing...the good, bad and ugly, is it WORTH it?


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arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....  water filter....   
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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2015-03-23 5:26 PM
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SG. - 2015-03-23 4:33 PM

arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever. Β I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.



http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81YΒ 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....Β  water filter....Β  Β 

Β I am confused. What air filter are you talking about? It's no different then a human nebulizer.
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-03-23 5:54 PM
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arion - 2015-03-23 5:15 PM

rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM

This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever. Β I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81YΒ 

that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page

"how much is too much"

never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique

Use common sense this is used to clear infections NOT everyday use unless you have a problem. Their are some ppl using this a few times weekly but some are using things other than the silver. This is not new stuff it's been used on the track for years like popular in the early 90s. It's only now become affordable for Betty barrel racer to buy it in a user friendly little on the go package.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-23 7:35 PM
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-03-23 5:26 PM
SG. - 2015-03-23 4:33 PM
arion - 2015-03-23 4:15 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM This would be enough for me not to use it on a horse....ever.  I don't want to be part of the class action suit that will come in the next couple of years when everyone figures out why their horses are sick.

http://thesilveredge.com/nebulize-colloidal-silver.shtml#.VRB_Fo7F81Y 
that is the exact reason I asked on the 1st page "how much is too much" never got an answer on here from any of the advocates/sellers/inventors of the machine/technique
I have been asking legitimately about the air filter....  water filter....   
 I am confused. What air filter are you talking about? It's no different then a human nebulizer.
I am asking if there is one on the air compressor 
here 
pro-model  From the video it looks like it pulls in outside air and then goes into mask and then horse breathes it right?

Edited by SG. 2015-03-23 7:39 PM
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cloverleaf
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2015-03-23 8:00 PM
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SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use.
As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-23 8:10 PM
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cloverleaf - 2015-03-23 8:00 PM SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use. As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-

Thank you for answering this!!! 
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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2015-03-23 8:29 PM
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cloverleaf - 2015-03-23 8:00 PM

SG, thank you for pulling up the pic. The air filter is housed on the left side of the compressor- you can see a black circle. It has holes where the air enters, then passes through a filter. There is an identical filter on the other side. The Equi-Silver is not colloidal- it consists of much smaller particles. The product on the right is the recommended sanitizer for the mask, and yes, you are supposed to clean & sanitize the mask after each use.
As I posted a while ago, I bought my horse Smoke from the lady who developed Equi-Resp. That was in 2013; she was still perfecting the mask and didn't want the unit on the market until she had everything just right. I have a unit now and used it on Smoke for a nagging cough. I had good results-

Β Exactly! It has an air filter that you can replace like ALL human nebulizer compressors. Actually equiresp portable compressor is a human nebulizer air compressor... I've researched and researched nebulizers for my horse that has IAD. Just before the equiresp product came out I looked in to the flexineb, which is to expensive for me right now.... so I bought a used aeromask, nebulizer cups and a hospital grade nebulizer air compressor made by medline. You replace the air filter like once or twice a year. ALL air compressors used for a nebulizer have an air filter....
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Posted 2015-03-23 10:45 PM
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Again, there seems to be a lot of misconceptions about EquiSilver versus colloidal silver. They are as different as apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but made completely different. Someone on here brought up a link to a website supposedly about a class action lawsuit. If you click on that link to β€œSilver Edge” and go about 2/3 down the page, they say this:
β€œWhat’s more, a clinical study on animals was conducted several years ago in which inhalation of silver nanoparticles appeared to provide miraculous protection against pneumonia infection. β€œ That is a direct quote from the link provided.
EquiSilver has 10 YEARS of proven history. It was developed by a vet for equine nebulization ONLY. It is sold by some of the top vet clinics in the world and used on Olympic horses. It makes no claims of anything else. It has been written up in many articles and was part of a lecture of healing respiratory issues at this year’s AAEP conference. It is not some fly by night company trying to make a buck. It has 10 YEARS PROVEN HISTORY. Rood and Riddle and Hagyards in Lexington KY swear by it and sell it out of their pharmacies. As I have stated before, they would not use it on multi-million dollar horses if they had not researched it and knew it worked.
This is where it differs from colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is sold all over the internet and in health food stores. There are as many different makes of colloidal silver as there are websites! Silver itself has been used for centuries due to its amazing healing abilities and the fact that no one or nothing has adverse effects from it. It has been the β€œgo to” in hospitals and wound care units for decades for serious wounds. Humans have drank it for years and have claims it cures everything from colds, acne to chigger bites. No one or nothing has ever had an adverse effect to silver other than the infamous β€œBlue Man” who did that on purpose. He has had no damage to his health or any organ as silver leaves the body within 24 to 48 hours.
There are so many conflicting articles about silver on the internet. All are about colloidal silver and about human use. You must separate human versus equine use and the two products. EquiSilver is the only patented silver product on the market developed by a vet strictly for equine nebulization. And if you look at the EquiResp Facebook page, based on what your peers are saying it is doing an amazing job. Between the EquiSilver and the patent pending EquiResp mask design, they are doing a great job of helping your equine partners with their respiratory issues.
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rachellyn80
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Posted 2015-03-23 11:12 PM
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Picking one of the few positive sentences out of that entire article is irresponsible...

Here's another "quote"

 
 
Animal Studies Demonstrate Problems
 
The only two clinical safety studies I’m aware of dealing with the inhalation of silver into the lungs were conducted on laboratory rats. 
 
Both studies used laboratory engineered silver nanoparticles, rather than commercial colloidal silver.  But the idea of what happens to silver when it’s inhaled daily into the lungs for long periods of time is what was looked at.
 
The first study was a 28 day study which concluded there was no significant long-term harm to laboratory rats that were forced to inhale various levels of silver nanoparticles for varying periods of time on a daily basis for four weeks.  That’s definitely good news.  Very exciting!
 
The second study, however, was conducted on rats over a period of 13 weeks (i.e., 90 days). It concluded that there were “dose-dependent increases in lesions related to silver nanoparticle exposure, including mixed inflammatory cell infiltratechronic alveolar inflammation, and small granulomatous lesionsTarget organs for silver nanoparticles were considered to be the lungs and liver in the male and female rats. No observable adverse effect level of 100 μg/m3 is suggested from the experiments.”
 
In other words, at higher daily doses for longer periods of time there were significant negative results including chronic inflammation of the alveolar, i.e., the delicate air sacs deep within the lungs where oxygen is taken into the bloodstream. 
 
Also observed by the researchers were increases in inflamed cells, and small nodules, or tiny lumps of inflamed tissue. And silver nanoparticles apparently accumulated in the lungs and liver of the rats.
 
Interestingly, in this study there were no observable adverse effects at 100 ug/m3, or 100 micrograms of silver per cubic meter of air.  Once again, that’s at least somewhatencouraging news because it indicates that when silver is inhaled daily, there apparently are levels of silver inhalation which -- at least in the rat model -- are relatively safe even when used for weeks on end.  But beyond those levels significant negative results were indeed observed.
 
The study researchers wrote: 
 
The results…indicated that lungs and liver were the major target tissues for prolonged silver nanoparticle accumulation.
 
…Based on the test article–related effects (minimal bile-duct hyperplasia in males and females, chronic alveolar inflammation and macrophage accumulation in the lungs of males and females, and erythrocyte aggregation in females) reported in this study, we found a NOAEL of 100 ug/m3.
 
…lung function changes previously reported from this study (Sung et al., 2008) indicate significant physiological decreases in tidal volume for all dose levels in males and minute volume decreases for all dose levels in females. The origin of the difference in effects measurements remains to be resolved.
 
This basically means that over the course of 90 days of inhaling the silver nanoparticles each day, the tiny silver particles accumulated in the lungs and livers of the rats.
 
What’s more, the tiny air sacs in the lungs known as the alveoli became inflamed, and as a result lung function was significantly reduced.  The reduction in lung function was higher for male rats than it was for female rats in the study.  The researchers don’t know why.
 
Finally, macrophage accumulation in the lungs of these rats would seem to indicate the body was attempting to remove foreign substances from the lungs, i.e., the accumulated silver. 
 
A macrophage is a form of phagocyte. And a phagocyte is a cell, such as a white blood cell, that engulfs and attempts to eliminate toxic substances, waste material, harmful microorganisms, or other foreign materials in bodily tissues as well as in the bloodstream.
 
Remember, these rats were not sick.  They were simply inhaling silver nanoparticles.  So there would have been no reason for the body to send macrophages into the lungs except to remove accumulated silver particles from the lung tissues.
 
This is similar to what’s observed when people are exposed to inhalation of asbestos on a chronic basis.  The asbestos lodges in the lungs.  And the body sends in macrophages whose job is to attempt to rid the area of the accumulated foreign objects by engulfing them. 
 
In short, macrophages are the “clean-up crew” of the human body, and they’re only called in when there’s something to clean up.
 
This demonstrates pretty much beyond any shadow of a doubt that silver particles, when inhaled regularly, over long periods of time, can become embedded in the soft tissues of the lungs and cause a decrease in lung function.
 
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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-03-23 11:14 PM
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....and no my post wasn't about "some class action lawsuit"...it was about irresponsibly promoting a product with no long-term studies behind it. This is a dangerous product and it doesn't matter what the differences are. Horses can't talk and you won't know that there's a problem until you can't fix it. 
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Posted 2015-03-24 10:24 AM
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to be fair...

"Also, it’s important to note that these rats were exposed to what appear to be ungodly levels of silver nanoparticles – up to six hours a day in an inhalation chamber."
I will not be nebulizing my horse for 6 hours a day for 90 days.
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Posted 2015-03-24 10:28 AM
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workerbee - 2015-03-24 11:24 AM

to be fair...

"Also, it’s important to note that these rats were exposed to what appear to be ungodly levels of silver nanoparticles – up to six hours a day in an inhalation chamber."
I will not be nebulizing my horse for 6 hours a day for 90 days.

I mean I hope these ppl aren't using the silver care for extended periods of time. Use common sense ppl!! This is a great therapy when used CORRECTLY. If your so worried speak with your vet about the different combinations of medicines/breathing treatments you can use. Silver is only one.

You would think you ppl would be more concerned about the steroids being used and how "unfair" it is SMH
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