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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol
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Location: NE Texas | I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:20 PM I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed. I was slightly amazed that my product shipped the next day.
Some people research things half to death, I like to experiment and make up my own mind. I wish I had kept a notebook of all the things I've tried over the years. At least half of them were BHW's fault.
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Location: NE Texas | Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-09 3:25 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:20 PM I tend to be more on the side of Allison. I work in the Marketing/merchandising industry, so I am fully aware of the power of a strong marketing or advertising campaign and tend to "roll my eyes" when I hear about the new miracle supplement, treatment, fad that's out there.....I have to see results....and extended positive results that are long lasting. Poor Dr. Schell had to endure me asking about 2000 questions over a span of about 3 weeks before I ever spent my first $1 there. Had it not been for google and me also doing my research on Curcurmin and the benefits of it, I would have never found this company. It's a very small company, and Dr. Schell mixes 99% of all of the product personally. With the big increase in interest and sales from us crazy barrel racers, they have been a bit overwhelmed. I was slightly amazed that my product shipped the next day.
Some people research things half to death, I like to experiment and make up my own mind. I wish I had kept a notebook of all the things I've tried over the years. At least half of them were BHW's fault.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.Â
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
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Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol
I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM
Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years.  There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product.  He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.   Â
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research. | |
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Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years.  There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product.  He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.   Â
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Here, this is very simple. If you don't want to use the product or believe in it, then don't. If you want to give it a go and see if your horse improves, then buy some and try it yourselves. Its really pretty simple. For me personally, I have put my two horses on it and have seen tremendous results. Just like Herbie. I could care less whats in it, cause its working. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can buy 1 Kg of 95% pure curcumin for $200. If you dose a horse with say 1000mg of curcumin, that would be 1000 doses.....rather than one month's supply, you would get 3 year's supply. One thing someone has already suggested is apparently curcumin is best absorbed when given with fats or oils. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-09-09 4:10 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 2:00 PM
Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM
Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product?
Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years.  There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product.  He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.   Â
With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Here, this is very simple. If you don't want to use the product or believe in it, then don't. If you want to give it a go and see if your horse improves, then buy some and try it yourselves. Its really pretty simple. For me personally, I have put my two horses on it and have seen tremendous results. Just like Herbie. I could care less whats in it, cause its working.
I didn't say it doesn't work. I think it might very well be a good thing, as I've already said. I'm just trying to add to the conversation by suggesting a cheaper, potentially equal alternative for people who can't afford to pay $250 a month for a supplement. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | There are other formulas that are much less expensive, I believe the EQ Green and the EQ Plus are both options if your horse is not under a lot of stress and there are no obvious issues you are trying to take care of. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2015-09-09 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-09-09 5:12 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-09 2:55 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.Â
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
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Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
Especially if I am investing some cash, as I am cheap cheap. lol I agree. If I am going to spend $240 a month on one horse, I don't think it's asking too much to have the amounts of the ingredients disclosed. Several years back this message was hammered out with Bob and THE. Eventually he decided to take his product to a higher level of quality and list all the components along with the amount. I respect him for that. For all I know, the amounts of each component is a tiny homeopathic dose of what's required to achieve the desired effect.
You can do an analytical assay of any of these supplements and determine what's in them, so that argument really doesn't pass muster. Things like gas chromatography, liquid chromatography, etc.... You can take any substance and determine precisely what's in it, and how much. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Bear - 2015-09-09 4:00 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product? Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years. There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product. He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise. With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
Not stepping on any toes here, Bear, I appreciate the discussion. Regarding your comment regarding this being anecdote rather than research, I would tend to disagree. In a controlled environment, ones own personal clinic, where blood samples and fecal samples and evaluated regularly, both short term and long term, radiograph, ultrasound, hands on evaluation of the patient, etc are available and utilized daily, how is that not considered viable research?
As as for the blend, I certainly wouldn't release my ratios, as the likelihood of the prouct being duplicated is increased. Yes, one could send a sample off to a lab for evaluation, but this is very time consuming and expensive, otherwise we wouldn't have such an issue at the race tracks keeping up with testing for foreign substances. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 6:57 PM
Bear - 2015-09-09 4:00 PM Herbie - 2015-09-09 3:39 PM Sandok - 2015-09-09 3:27 PM Has there been any long term studies done on this product? Yes, there have. Dr. Schell has taken it himself for several years.  There have been several horses that went through his practice when it was still open that were "rehab" horses he used for research in the development of the product.  He continues to keep rehab horses in the barn and is able to test any new formulas on them. His daughter works full time in re-training these OTTB's once they are sound and gets them going nicely under saddle, both on the flat and over jumps. They then re-home the horses in hopes that the new owner will continue with the program. Some do and some don't. Those that don't end up with the same horse that came into the clinic. Those that do end up with a horse they can enjoy for many years, and still have Dr. Schell's expertise available as well if issues arise.    With all due respect, Herbie, this is anecdote, not research.
As as for the blend, I certainly wouldn't release my ratios, as the likelihood of the prouct being duplicated is increased. Yes, one could send a sample off to a lab for evaluation, but this is very time consuming and expensive, otherwise we wouldn't have such an issue at the race tracks keeping up with testing for foreign substances.Â
What you describe is not research. To a lay person, it may appear like research. It's not within the purview of a thread on BHW to go into a long detailed description on what constitutes valid, scientifically sound, research. That information is available.
I'm saying that if I am going to spend $250 a month on one horse for a mixture of curcumin and vitamins and amino acids, I would like to know how much curcumin is in a recommended daily dose. For all I know, it's 50 mg...or it could be 2000 mg. Big difference. I can get vitamins and curcumin for a few bucks a month. I'm NOT saying it's a bad product. I'm only asking for something reasonable.
Herbie, are you selling this product?
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Location: NE Texas | No sir, I do not sell the product, nor do i receive any compensation or commission for anyone who chooses to go this route. I am simply a very satisfied customer who has reaped the benefits of using it after literally having no other options for my horse and about to have to make a very tough decision. The results I have witnessed have been so dramatic that I felt it would be a disservice to my fellow barrel racers not to share this information.
Imo, this is research, and documentable, but I'm just a lay person who tries to educate myself as best I can with the tools available. I'm certainly no expert on the specifics as to what does or does not qualify under the definition.
You may very well be able to buy vitamins and curcurmin and achieve the same results, I doubt it but maybe. I choose to leave that up to the experts and purchase the product through them, as they have done the leg work, spent the money to develop, and produce, and the results have been exponential for me and now others.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2015-09-09 7:43 PM
 No sir, I do not sell the product, nor do i receive any compensation or  commission for anyone who chooses to go this route. I am simply a very satisfied customer who has reaped the benefits of using it after literally having no other options for my horse and about to have to make a very tough decision. The results I have witnessed have been so dramatic that I felt it would be a disservice to my fellow barrel racers not to share this information.Â
Imo, this is research, and documentable, but I'm just a lay person who tries to educate myself as best I can with the tools available. I'm certainly no expert on the specifics as to what does or does not qualify under the definition.Â
You may very well be able to buy vitamins and curcurmin and achieve the same results, I doubt it but maybe. I choose to leave that up to the experts and purchase the product through them, as they have done the leg work, spent the money to develop, and produce, and the results have been exponential for me and now others.
I get it, and I respect you. I'm just presenting a far cheaper alternative worth considering for folks who would rather pay over $200 less for the same outcome. I don't really have a dog in this fight, other than a desire to be helpful. I've heard a LOT of good stories from people who have used turmeric as well, both human and equine....so I too have anecdotes. Turmeric is cheap. Vegetable oil/ soya oil is cheap. I'd suggest trying those first. The cheap bulk turmeric is, IMO better than this product, because you know how much you are giving....plus it's cheaper. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Â No disrespect taken, Bear. Only way to compare if one is "better" than the other would be to compare two animals/humans with exactly the same symptoms in a blind study. Certainly no denying the value of turmeric combined with oil and Pepperdine. What works for some won't always work for others, I am simply sharing my experiences in order to give others hope when there seemingly isn't any left.
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Location: Texas | What benefits have you gotten with the HU ultimate? I'm looking at trying something for me first.
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