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| I see lots of recommendations for the Total Care and Immune. Do they make a product for ulcers? | |
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| Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
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| ShortnRound - 2015-10-18 7:29 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
What is your prerace routine? THe Total care will cover gut, allergies, and inflammation. | |
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| after only 2 weeks on EQ Stomach, my picky (sometimes not eating at all) horse was licking the feed trough clean. He has been on promazole (sp) powder for years but I am amazed at the difference cur ost stomach has made. He has gained weight, top line filling out & just overall looks great. Almost finished with first month on Stomach formula & the EQ Plus formula. | |
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| I would do the Cur Ost Total Care. My horse is ulcer prone and this has helped her. | |
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| I keep looking into them but my eye keeps seeing cleverly done marketing. They keep saying there is science behind it but science implies there are facts and I just see statements and not research results even though they have a section for this. There are no case study results even though they have claimed so if there product is so great why wouldn't they want to share that? Not being a fun killer just asking real questions. | |
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| You should go to secondvet.vom and ask Dr. Tom. He is the one who developed and makes Cur-Ost. He had my horse on Stomach and Adapt for a couple months and now he has him on the Total. He is doing amazing.
All you people who keep talking about the science crack me up, the horse doesn't lie. He can't. If you have spent YEARS trying to turn your horse around doing what the vets and their "science" have told you to do and get no results and then you try an alternative treatment and it WORKS, THAT is MY science. And to tell the truth, I find it insulting that you assume we are not smart enough or don't care enough to do our own research on products. You are probably really nice people, just trying to help, but I am tired of being treated condescendingly by the medical and science communities. I have had to go outside of the box to treat my own medical problems with good success. | |
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| LOL woah there if you claim science behind somthing woulnt you show it? Pretty sure wanting 90bucks for a small bag would merit that If you claim it. People have a right to be scepticle it has NOTHING to do with you and your choices. Horse owners are notorious for doing everything they can for there equine athlete/ partner .
Company/vets/holistic gurus take advantage of that knowing we will pay any dollar amount to make our horses faster/stronger/sounder I refuse to not ask questions. PS I give products that vets don't make a penny off of and they can't write a script for.... O and they have case studies that prove they work. 
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Location: Midwest | There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-19 7:55 AM
There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
YES!!!!!!! I'm going to send you my PM you my email because yes I would like to see what he found. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Would you spend money on a study if your product is already selling well? Maybe an independent researcher will get interested and do something.
I did my own experiment and after a month, I'm convinced enough to re-order that $$$tuff. My horse's breathing and eyesight are mucho improved despite the extremely dry/dusty/polleny fall season. He's the only one that's not got a warmup cough (including me!). It went away about day 5. He is no longer shying constantly, he ran stronger yesterday than he has in over a year, and went in focused and ready instead of reluctant. That was his second run since being on Cur-ost. | |
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Location: North Dakota | All I know is I have been trying out their people inflammation stuff and it hasn't made a lick of difference for my back but it seems to be helping my knees. The jury is still out though, so we'll see, but I had my first totally pain free day in nearly 3 years after starting this product. IMO lack of scientific evidence does not constitute lack of performance. Just because this hasn't been independently tested to the high heavens doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means that if you are curious, get some for yourself and do your own independent testing. | |
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Location: NE Texas | I don't think there is any cleverly done marketing on this product, in fact there is literally NO marketing or advertising done. I found this product literally by chance and out of desperation and my own research when trying to save my horse when vets had given me no other options for further treatment. I began to share about it after my results were so dramatic, but I wouldn't consider that advertising or marketing...just my story and my results from using a product that I'd never heard of previous to my purchasing it. I use the total support now on all 4 of my horses. I did have to the immune and repair for the first 90 days on my copd horse but due to his sickness and the seriousness of our situation, it was a small price to pay after the thousands I'd spent at the vet. I've used other products through the years, along with Rx products and not had anywhere near the results I'm having with the Cur-OST. Not to mention the results a coworker has had with her fibromyalgia. Both my story amd hers can be read in full on the Cur-OST thread on the product research forum.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 9:22 PM
ShortnRound - 2015-10-18 7:29 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-10-18 8:22 PM
Yes they do, it's called curost stomach. The total care includes the stomach formula which is what I use. But the stomach is a specific formula for ulcers and hind gut health.
So in theory the Total Care should be all I need for an ulcery horse as long as I keep up his pre race regimen?
What is your prerace routine? THe Total care will cover gut, allergies, and inflammation.
Pre race my horse gets Ranitidine and Jailbreak for his tummy.
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| One of Curost's featured ingredients is BCM 95. Here's plenty of case studies if you're interested in reading. There's even a study involving racehorses.
http://www.bcm95.com/Clinical%20trials_1.html | |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-19 5:55 AM
There are a few case studies, but they were done by the creator of the product, which is an inherent conflict of interest. Not saying this isn't valid, but independent research is better. He emailed them to me, so shoot me a PM with your email if you would like to see them.
Honestly like most supplement companies, they have no real incentive to do studies on this product. They are not legally required for its sale, and obviously he is still moving product without investing the time and money to perform said studies. Many buyers don't care about evidence based medicine. If I owned the company, I wouldn't be doing research either. They are a business, and the research has no real advantage for them profit-wise.
I'm also glad people are seeing good results. I know Herbie, and she is not making any money when she touts the benefits of this product. This product does not have "dealers", so people are just speaking from their own experience. Plus, she is a trustworthy person, so I don't doubt her when she says she feels this product made a huge difference in her horse.
Personally, I would like to see further research because the product does seem to work. Further research would lead to this product having the potential to be used in traditional medicine. Holistic medicines that pass double-blind clinical trials become just plain "medicine". This means that many more horses would benefit!
Side note from a 'scientist': "Science" is nothing more than the process of seeking evidence of a theory. This evidence needs to be free of bias and reproducible in a variety of situations, regardless of who is doing the research. It also needs to be measurable, which provides objective proof that something is working.
The problem I have with testimonials is not that the people speaking are uneducated or "stupid", it's that:
1) People are not objective observers by nature. They WANT to see this product working and they really want the horse to be better. (ie observer bias)
2) Owners are likely trying a variety of things at once to help their horse. Studies help show exactly why the horse is better- ie is it the supplement, other things, or the combo that is helping?
3) Keeping horses has SO many variables- climate, feed, excercise program, horse's age, horse's health problems, maitenace in place, etc. ANY of these variables can and WILL effect the efficacy of any product or medicine given.
And lastly, the product is not cheap. Like most other people, I have limits to my budget, and this supplement is expensive. I try to find the most cost effective solutions to my horse's problems and I have had good luck with the options I have chosen, especially when what I have done is working and my horse is doing well. Just some food for thought- not everyone looking for more research on this product is doing so because they think the people sharing their personal experiences are lying or stupid. Oy
Here is a very simple solution, if you don't trust it, think it wasnt tested well enough, or is a marketing scheme, then DON'T BUY IT..... I gave it a try like many others because I was at my witts end with DRUGS from my VET that were " Tested" and "FDA APPROVED" and they didnt do %^*(& for my horse. Curost has been a life and game changer and that is proof enough. SO if your not happy with any part of it, don't buy it. Very simple. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I dont think horse owners are bias at all. Yes we want our horses to look and feel great! Thats why so many try different things to see if works. Sometime you have to think outside the box because what works on one horse may not work for the next horse!
As far as Curost I love them for my barrel horse with COPD. and also one thing bout this vet he doesnt try to sell the product it sells on its own. Example being he could really monopolize on ulcers! because it is so common but if you read his responses and he has said more than once that if you have ulcers you should use the stomach with the Total support for 30 days and then try without the stomache formula. If he was trying to take our money it would be easy to say that you need the stomache product forever with the total support and along with blah blah blah. He also states that every horse is different and you may need to try different things to figure out what you actually need as far as his products.
Just like renew gold is not for every horse. (not picking on renew gold because I do feed it) just an example | |
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Location: Texas | how much does it cost per month? I was briefly looking at products.. which one is best for bone and joint problems | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I spoke to Dr. Schell at length both by email and on a call about my gelding who is having some coffin bone and navicular issues, not really bad but he is a big horse and 14 this year so want to make sure I'm doing it right for him. We did a shot of Osphos at the vet last Monday to try to jump ahead of everything, made the necessary shoeing changes as well as found an old enormous abscess in the right front which he had come up sore on several times over the last 6 months or so. Dr. Schell recommended the Total Support for him and said that if it wasn't enough that they could add any other support product to that formula if need be. I had dove into the Cur_ost before I had spoken to Dr. Schell and had order the Green which seemed to be helping significantly already and I've had good luck with it also on my Head Shaker mare too. | |
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