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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 8:50 AM
Subject: In relation to "Is your horse feed safe"?



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So, I put my horses on Purina Strategy Healthy Edge recently. I like the feed and the horses are looking good on it. I've found some clumping here and there but I guess that's to be expected since it's kinda on the moist side. Anyway, I had a conversation with purina via Facebook messenger asking if ALL of their mills are ionophore FREE or if the horse feeds are completely separate to avoid risk of contamination. The response I got really didn't give me the assurance I was hoping for. I was told that most of their mills that produce horse feed do not produce cattle feed so ionophores are not present, however recently they have 4 mills that do produce medicated cattle feed along with horse feed, but they use they go to great lengths to insure there is no chance of contamination, meaning they clean the machines according to guidelines, yada yada ... I asked for the 4 mills that are doing this and wasn't given that information, was just told to send my phone # and a rep would contact me. Im kinda dissapointed, the purina is readily available to me and easier on my pocketbook but I'm really not comfortable anymore. I can get bluebonnet it's just about an hour away and of course a bit more pricey but my horses health and my peice of mind is worth it!
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2016-03-24 9:07 AM
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Bluebonnet is a fixed formula. So it is a good feed. And is on the.list of safe feeds. But it is a proceased feed. I feed Renew Gold.and Alfalfa Hay. For a supplement I use Vitalize High Performance.

Edited by readytorodeo 2016-03-24 9:08 AM
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2016-03-24 9:16 AM
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I used to feed Purina Ultium to a couple of mine. Really liked it and my horses looked and felt amazing on it. Even when the Ionophore awareness started purina was safe. HOWEVER, I looked on the tags last summer when I fed it last and it was produced in a Mill that also has medicated cattle feed. I stopped immediatly. All it takes is one worker to not do their job correctly and you could have a serious problem on your hands. Thats when I switched to a whole grain/natural diet.

For what its worth, both of my horses did NOT do well on Renew gold. I wish they would have cause its found everywhere here in CA. I might give it one more go now that my horses have their hind gut working properly but we will see. Now I make my own mix of whole oats, Rolled Barley, and Stabilized rice bran with a little curost and Depauolo Excel mixed in. So far doing great!
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: In relation to "Is your horse feed safe"?



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readytorodeo - 2016-03-24 9:07 AM

Bluebonnet is a fixed formula. So it is a good feed. And is on the.list of safe feeds. But it is a proceased feed. I feed Renew Gold.and Alfalfa Hay. For a supplement I use Vitalize High Performance.

I'm not overly concerned with feeding a processed feed, my main concern is a SAFE feed. I've fed renew gold in the past, it's here but it's hit or miss on the availability and my feed store upped the price tag to where I can't justify it anymore.
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ND3canAddict
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-03-24 9:21 AM
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There is an article on ionophores that I wrote for Woody's a few years ago... it's the first one on this link.  I think all of the articles are interesting, but maybe I'm biased.  I wrote them for the owner in 2010.
 
http://woodysfeed.com/articles.html


 
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 9:23 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2016-03-24 9:16 AM

I used to feed Purina Ultium to a couple of mine. Really liked it and my horses looked and felt amazing on it. Even when the Ionophore awareness started purina was safe. HOWEVER, I looked on the tags last summer when I fed it last and it was produced in a Mill that also has medicated cattle feed. I stopped immediatly. All it takes is one worker to not do their job correctly and you could have a serious problem on your hands. Thats when I switched to a whole grain/natural diet.

For what its worth, both of my horses did NOT do well on Renew gold. I wish they would have cause its found everywhere here in CA. I might give it one more go now that my horses have their hind gut working properly but we will see. Now I make my own mix of whole oats, Rolled Barley, and Stabilized rice bran with a little curost and Depauolo Excel mixed in. So far doing great!

Yeah, it's just not worth it to me to take the chance.. like Russian Roulette! The problem I ran into out here trying to go to whole grains and mixing my own was finding good quality clean oats. I couldn't ever get a straight answer on the milling process where they came from... I found lots of whole corn in the oats. I tried alfalfa cubes and pellets but I have an extremely choke prone horse and the soaking and feeling around in the buckets for whole pieces wore on me. I'd like to just find a good clean SAFE grain to feed and I'm leaning towards bluebonnet omega force, just going to have to make the haul to get it.
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 9:32 AM
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ND3canAddict - 2016-03-24 9:21 AM

There is an article on ionophores that I wroteΒ for Woody's a few years ago... it's the first one on this link.Β  I think all of the articles are interesting, but maybe I'm biased.Β  I wrote them for the owner in 2010.
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http://woodysfeed.com/articles.html


Β 

Im not sure I have access to Woodys here, I've checked the website in the past looking for dealers but I never saw any near me.
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ND3canAddict
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-03-24 9:35 AM
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want2chase3 - 2016-03-24 8:32 AM
ND3canAddict - 2016-03-24 9:21 AM There is an article on ionophores that I wrote for Woody's a few years ago... it's the first one on this link.  I think all of the articles are interesting, but maybe I'm biased.  I wrote them for the owner in 2010.

 
http://woodysfeed.com/articles.html





 
Im not sure I have access to Woodys here, I've checked the website in the past looking for dealers but I never saw any near me.

Understandable... but maybe the article gives you some insight on what happens at facilities that mix cattle feed and horse feed at the same plant- then questions you can ask your rep.  How to the keep is separate?  How do they ensure safety and quality? 
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: In relation to "Is your horse feed safe"?



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ND3canAddict - 2016-03-24 9:35 AM

want2chase3 - 2016-03-24 8:32 AM
ND3canAddict - 2016-03-24 9:21 AM There is an article on ionophores that I wroteΒ for Woody's a few years ago... it's the first one on this link.Β  I think all of the articles are interesting, but maybe I'm biased.Β  I wrote them for the owner in 2010.

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http://woodysfeed.com/articles.html





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Im not sure I have access to Woodys here, I've checked the website in the past looking for dealers but I never saw any near me.

Understandable... but maybe the article gives you some insightΒ on what happens at facilities that mix cattle feed and horse feed at the same plant- then questions you can ask your rep.Β  How to the keep is separate?Β  How do they ensure safety and quality?Β 

Yes, it was a very good interesting article. I don't appreciate getting the run around answers from some of these feed companies at all! To be honest it absolutely blows my mind that people still feed ADM out here and how uneducated the feed store employees are on the subject. It's frustrating, to say the least!
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cutnrunqhmt
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2016-03-24 10:09 AM
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Look on Amazon you can order some feeds on there and shipping is free most of the time. I buy Tribute from them it is about the same price as I can get Triple Crown for but I no longer feed TC due to milling issues. Plus it is delivered to my door I don't even have to go get it. They may have some others but Tribute is a safe feed and have some great options.
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2016-03-24 10:15 AM
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want2chase3 - 2016-03-24 7:23 AM

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-24 9:16 AM

I used to feed Purina Ultium to a couple of mine. Really liked it and my horses looked and felt amazing on it. Even when the Ionophore awareness started purina was safe. HOWEVER, I looked on the tags last summer when I fed it last and it was produced in a Mill that also has medicated cattle feed. I stopped immediatly. All it takes is one worker to not do their job correctly and you could have a serious problem on your hands. Thats when I switched to a whole grain/natural diet.

For what its worth, both of my horses did NOT do well on Renew gold. I wish they would have cause its found everywhere here in CA. I might give it one more go now that my horses have their hind gut working properly but we will see. Now I make my own mix of whole oats, Rolled Barley, and Stabilized rice bran with a little curost and Depauolo Excel mixed in. So far doing great!

Yeah, it's just not worth it to me to take the chance.. like Russian Roulette! The problem I ran into out here trying to go to whole grains and mixing my own was finding good quality clean oats. I couldn't ever get a straight answer on the milling process where they came from... I found lots of whole corn in the oats. I tried alfalfa cubes and pellets but I have an extremely choke prone horse and the soaking and feeling around in the buckets for whole pieces wore on me. I'd like to just find a good clean SAFE grain to feed and I'm leaning towards bluebonnet omega force, just going to have to make the haul to get it.

I always wanted to try blue bonnet before I stopped with the processed feeds but you can't get in CA so not an option. I used to ABSOLUTELY LOVE Triple Crown senior! Horses looked and felt great on it but when Nutrena started milling for them it went to JUNK. Consistency was not there and bag to bag was different. It was supposed to be a fixed formula. Not to mention it is produced in a Major cattle feed producing mill in AZ.
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Tdove
Reg. Apr 2015
Posted 2016-03-24 10:22 AM
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Want2chase3,

If you are still in the same area, Omnis CP is available in Belton. I know you had used it before you moved and it is should fit what you are looking for. Belton keeps it stocked and many people are now buying it there. For your consideration:

Barfield Hay Barn
Belton, TX
254-931-6766
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: In relation to "Is your horse feed safe"?



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Thank you for all the replies... I don't know why this post was moved over here when there are other threads on the main page discussing other feeds and supplements.
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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2016-03-24 3:11 PM
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FLITASTIC - 2016-03-24 10:15 AM

want2chase3 - 2016-03-24 7:23 AM

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-24 9:16 AM

I used to feed Purina Ultium to a couple of mine. Really liked it and my horses looked and felt amazing on it. Even when the Ionophore awareness started purina was safe. HOWEVER, I looked on the tags last summer when I fed it last and it was produced in a Mill that also has medicated cattle feed. I stopped immediatly. All it takes is one worker to not do their job correctly and you could have a serious problem on your hands. Thats when I switched to a whole grain/natural diet.

For what its worth, both of my horses did NOT do well on Renew gold. I wish they would have cause its found everywhere here in CA. I might give it one more go now that my horses have their hind gut working properly but we will see. Now I make my own mix of whole oats, Rolled Barley, and Stabilized rice bran with a little curost and Depauolo Excel mixed in. So far doing great!

Yeah, it's just not worth it to me to take the chance.. like Russian Roulette! The problem I ran into out here trying to go to whole grains and mixing my own was finding good quality clean oats. I couldn't ever get a straight answer on the milling process where they came from... I found lots of whole corn in the oats. I tried alfalfa cubes and pellets but I have an extremely choke prone horse and the soaking and feeling around in the buckets for whole pieces wore on me. I'd like to just find a good clean SAFE grain to feed and I'm leaning towards bluebonnet omega force, just going to have to make the haul to get it.

I always wanted to try blue bonnet before I stopped with the processed feeds but you can't get in CA so not an option. I used to ABSOLUTELY LOVE Triple Crown senior! Horses looked and felt great on it but when Nutrena started milling for them it went to JUNK. Consistency was not there and bag to bag was different. It was supposed to be a fixed formula. Not to mention it is produced in a Major cattle feed producing mill in AZ.

I jumped on the triple crown sr bandwagon several months ago too... then started noticing inconsistent bags and whole corn and, like you I found out nutrena took over and I dropped it. I swear sometimes I wish I didn't know as much about these horse feeds as I do lol! Ignorance is bliss! But on a serious note, I am glad I educated myself on all this, but it is a very frustrating journey... I know several people that are feeding ADM and I can't understand it! Even when you explain to them what happened, they just kinda shrug it off and say they've never had a problem.
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oranges
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2016-03-25 7:19 AM
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It sounds like by next year all feeds will be safe. There is a new law requiring all vet antibiotics to be sold only with prescription. You will need a prescription to buy medicated feed. Goes into effect 1/1/17 I believe.
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run n rate
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2016-03-29 1:19 PM
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I would imagine feed companies will still be needing to produce those products however and it will just require a script to purchase them. We have a loose mineral that we sell where I work that requires a script due to the selenium content of it. Unless cattle producers just quit using feed thru RX products at all I would imagine there will still be some mills producing the products for producers who get scripts for it.
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oranges
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2016-03-30 8:39 AM
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I really don't know first hand, our vet was saying it would be nearly impossible because you will need a script for medicated feed and the mills will have to completely clean the mill between processing. I can't imagine the "big" mills processing for one person's script? I don't know what do you think? or heard?
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run n rate
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2016-03-30 12:30 PM
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I think it will be just like bottles of Baytril, they dont' bottle those for 1 persons script, you have to have some on a shelf in stock for those moments it is needed. And if the feed mills would completely clean the mill not merely run corn or whatever thru the plant to "clean" it we might not have these issues in the first place. We can all hope this will help solve the issue but I somehow doubt it.
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