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P68
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2017-04-13 9:53 AM (#7339606)
Subject: Grade horses/NFR


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When was the last time we saw a grade horse in the NFR? I know it's happened, but I feel like it's been a long time ago now. I feel like almost all the horses out there doing high level stuff have some sort of 'big name' blood in them now. And that grades wouldn't even stand a chance
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Shorty 2
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2017-04-13 10:45 AM (#7339625 - in reply to #7339606)
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Last one I remember was a stud that Collette Baer ( not sure if that's spelled right) rode that was out of Sugarbabe, her NFR mare, and by Maudies Joak, Connie Combs NFR stud.

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shaunar
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2017-04-13 10:53 AM (#7339631 - in reply to #7339606)
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Molly Powell ran one not too awful many years ago named Pecan.  I believe it was a mare and if I remember right, it was even part Shetland!
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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2017-04-13 10:54 AM (#7339632 - in reply to #7339606)
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The last unregistered horse I remimber was Pecan. Doesnt mean there wasnt one after that though. I'll also add that quite a few horses get seperated from their registration papers for a multitude of reason's. Death, divorce, one party or another not fullfilling obligations or responsabilities, ect. More then half the supposed "Grade" horses today actually were at some point registered or should have been so just because a horse is listed as "Grade" doesnt mean it has no good breeding. Just look at the stallion fraud thread on this board as an example. How many foals by that stallion are as of now, unregistered? 2 years ago we rescued a 3 or 4 yr old filly out of the kill pen with well known premier brand on her.She was a nice filly just small. We gifted her to a little girl. I cant tell you how many nice horses end up in the kill pen, many tatooed but seperated from papers. My daughter ran a super nice horse that carried her at the age of 11 to the California Cowboys Professional Rodeo Assoc. finals. He was unregistered, because they just didnt bother to register him. We were givin his breeders cert. and he wa by Parr Three. So with all that said, my point is there are alot of "Grade" horses out there that are actually very well bred.
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livexlovexrodeo
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2017-04-13 12:11 PM (#7339658 - in reply to #7339632)
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ThreeCorners - 2017-04-13 8:54 AM

The last unregistered horse I remimber was Pecan. Doesnt mean there wasnt one after that though. I'll also add that quite a few horses get seperated from their registration papers for a multitude of reason's. Death, divorce, one party or another not fullfilling obligations or responsabilities, ect. More then half the supposed "Grade" horses today actually were at some point registered or should have been so just because a horse is listed as "Grade" doesnt mean it has no good breeding. Just look at the stallion fraud thread on this board as an example. How many foals by that stallion are as of now, unregistered? 2 years ago we rescued a 3 or 4 yr old filly out of the kill pen with well known premier brand on her.She was a nice filly just small. We gifted her to a little girl. I cant tell you how many nice horses end up in the kill pen, many tatooed but seperated from papers. My daughter ran a super nice horse that carried her at the age of 11 to the California Cowboys Professional Rodeo Assoc. finals. He was unregistered, because they just didnt bother to register him. We were givin his breeders cert. and he wa by Parr Three. So with all that said, my point is there are alot of "Grade" horses out there that are actually very well bred.

I try to explain this to people too. Grade doesn't mean "mutt" or poor breeding. The horse could actually be incredibly well bred. I bought a yearling that two previous owners hadn't bothered to register. She's registered because I chose to pay the fees. A mare I bought from a friend lost her papers. She got new ones because I again paid a fee and did everything AQHA asked to get her new papers.
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stayceem
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2017-04-13 1:04 PM (#7339672 - in reply to #7339606)
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Yep, a friend of mine has a nice little mare who I know isn't grade. She carries a brand but we cant for the life of us find where its from but I have no doubt in my mind shes out of registered stock.
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cyount2009
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2017-04-13 1:30 PM (#7339681 - in reply to #7339631)
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shaunar - 2017-04-13 10:53 AM

Molly Powell ran one not too awful many years ago named Pecan.  I believe it was a mare and if I remember right, it was even part Shetland!

Pecan was TB on her top side and Welsh on the bottom. Her sire, Bumpy was sired by a proven stud but he himself only won $9,000, pennies in the TB world. I believe the breeding intent of Pecan was to make her a pony club jumper but she didn't fit the criteria (I think I read that or heard it in an interview with Molly somewhere many years ago.)
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SuperTrooper
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2017-04-13 1:38 PM (#7339684 - in reply to #7339606)
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Seems all there is at the NFR now are horses with well-known "in" bloodlines. There used to be no name ranch type horses too no?
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P68
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2017-04-14 2:22 PM (#7339914 - in reply to #7339684)
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SuperTrooper - 2017-04-13 1:38 PM

Seems all there is at the NFR now are horses with well-known "in" bloodlines. There used to be no name ranch type horses too no?

Yeah this ^^^ I apologize, by 'grade' I meant no known bloodlines. Although I really enjoyed hearing the misunderstandings about a 'grade' horse in general.

I forgot about Pecan! Yeah she's probably one of the closest.
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Ashton94
Reg. Feb 2014
Posted 2017-04-14 4:48 PM (#7339945 - in reply to #7339606)
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Taylor Engessor won the collegiate finals on a grade gelding a few years ago. He was like 19 years old too I think. I, personally, love seeing grade horses win. Paints too
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Ashley Lynn
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2017-04-14 5:09 PM (#7339947 - in reply to #7339606)
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Probably the nicest one I've ever trained was grade. He has won over 100k in his career and is now retired at age 22. He went to the Texas high school finals 8 times carrying 4 different girls. He's won at barrel races, amateur rodeos, pro rodeos and everything in between. I did have a copy of his dams papers and was able to track her down. She was old school cowbred. I bred her and now run a half brother to old faithful. He wasn't a mutt, just the product of irresponsible back yard breeders. They got their colt and weren't concerned about papers.
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osu_barrelracer
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2017-04-16 11:31 AM (#7340069 - in reply to #7339606)
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I know theres been a couple in the roping pen, but I can't think of anything recent in the barrels.  
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Technicolor Paints
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2017-04-20 5:33 PM (#7341003 - in reply to #7339606)
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Joleen Sietz in Canada won Calgary and went to the CFR several times on her horse that was 1/2 Standerbred. That horse won her ALOT of money !! 
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hoofs_N_bridles
Reg. Feb 2017
Posted 2017-04-21 8:34 AM (#7341086 - in reply to #7339945)
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Ashton94 - 2017-04-14 3:48 PM

Taylor Engessor won the collegiate finals on a grade gelding a few years ago. He was like 19 years old too I think. I, personally, love seeing grade horses win. Paints too

I'm pretty sure Rowdy is registered. Cool Rowdy if I remember correctly. He also won the SD HS Finals with her sister the same weekend he won college finals. And he was up there in age and just recently retired him. Pretty awesome horse.
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Speedy Buckeye Girl
Reg. Jun 2010
Posted 2017-04-21 10:19 AM (#7341123 - in reply to #7339684)
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SuperTrooper - 2017-04-13 2:38 PM Seems all there is at the NFR now are horses with well-known "in" bloodlines. There used to be no name ranch type horses too no?

Yep, ranch and grades.  My thoughts are this as to why we are seeing less and less of them:

1) With ranch, no-names, or grades - the odds (majority of the time) are stacked against you.  The statistics prove these "in" names are winning and thus you would be better picking something that statistically has performed well.  Of course there are many, many exceptions to the rules, but a lot of times that's the criteria people hunting for prospects care about.
2) Cost the same to care and feed for a grade vs. a highly bred prospect.  Again, goes back to time and money invested...who's the best bang for your buck?
3) Resale.  Most people picking up and training/riding prospects want something that can be sold easier and more profitably.  Definitely a bigger market of buyers.

I personally have a little KP rescue that looks decent bred (cow/reining??) but of course I have no history on her.  I'm still willing to put in the time to take a gamble on her.  But I do it more for fun and personal beliefs that I can get her a good home with training even if she doesn't pan out for barrels.  Highly, highly doubt I'll make any sort of profit on her.  And that's a big reason I think most people won't even bother with the grades. 

 
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2017-04-21 10:29 AM (#7341128 - in reply to #7339606)
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Buddy Rose the Chouests and Talmadage run is an unregistered gelding that is def NFR material.
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