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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Some of you probably remember my post about insurance claims due to tire blow out. I believe it was approx two months ago we had our first blowout in our brand new Lakota, ripping off the fender, bending drop downs and anhilating the siding. The insurance company JUST cut the check to have it fixed last week.
On Saturday, we had another blow out. Other side, same damage.  So here we go again with the insurance.
I had many responses about tires. Some said the ones we have (Towmax) were junk, some said they were good quality. Manufacture date on them is march 2014. So Lakota put old tires on a new trailer. Not a great concept, but the tread is at 85%. Would like opinions on tires whether to go commercial grade or truck tires. Load range, etc.
Now, my second issue is truck height and resulting trailer ride height. I believe it was FLITASTIC who said his trailer rides higher in the front??? I had posted a picture when we lifted the truck and didn't get too much negative reports, so wasn't too concerned. I understand that it puts more weight on the rear axle, but seemed like a lot of people haul that way without incident. We very rarely haul fully loaded anyways, and put horses in the front most stall/s.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Here's a pic. 
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| Ugh. we plan to put 14ply's on our Lakota as soon as we can. We just have to pick our financial battles at the moment the dually needed new rubber. Hopefully luck doesn't force our hand in the meantime.
Do you have a picture of how your trailer rides? Both blowouts were on the rear axle? That makes me a little suspicious of how the trialer is riding. You could haul it to the scales and axle yourself to see how much more or less each axle is carrying. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2017-05-22 11:59 AM Some of you probably remember my post about insurance claims due to tire blow out. I believe it was approx two months ago we had our first blowout in our brand new Lakota, ripping off the fender, bending drop downs and anhilating the siding. The insurance company JUST cut the check to have it fixed last week. On Saturday, we had another blow out. Other side, same damage. So here we go again with the insurance. I had many responses about tires. Some said the ones we have (Towmax ) were junk, some said they were good quality. Manufacture date on them is march 2014. So Lakota put old tires on a new trailer. Not a great concept, but the tread is at 85%. Would like opinions on tires whether to go commercial grade or truck tires. Load range, etc. Now, my second issue is truck height and resulting trailer ride height. I believe it was FLITASTIC who said his trailer rides higher in the front??? I had posted a picture when we lifted the truck and didn't get too much negative reports, so wasn't too concerned. I understand that it puts more weight on the rear axle, but seemed like a lot of people haul that way without incident. We very rarely haul fully loaded anyways, and put horses in the front most stall/s. Would you guys think the ride angle is causing the blowouts or the tire age/quality combination?
The trailers that I knew of that had blow outs all the time was due to bent axles or not right tires for the load that you will be pulling and I would think if your trailer was riding at a higher angle is would but put more pressure on the back axle, I like level riding trailers and my trailers had never had a blow out. |
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Location: On My Horse! | I'd definitely drop the nose on the trailer. It should be level and balanced. When it rides at an angle it puts pressure on the rear axle and the horses ride at an angle. But super nice rig! |
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| If both blowouts were on the back I have a strong suspicion that the angle of the trailer is a contributing factor. If you look at how much higher the front end of the trailer box is vs the rear end...you've got a lot more pressure on your rear tires.
If I remember correctly you wanted to keep the truck lifted. Therefore the trailer axles need to be blocked to level out the ride.
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Location: Dubach, LA | A.X.L.E. Something is wrong with an axle. I had blow out after blow out on my CM. Even had an axle company check it. They said axles were fine. Within a year, one broke. When it broke, it bent the one that was left, so I'm riding on two new axles and haven't had a single blow out. |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2017-05-22 9:59 AM
Some of you probably remember my post about insurance claims due to tire blow out. I believe it was approx two months ago we had our first blowout in our brand new Lakota, ripping off the fender, bending drop downs and anhilating the siding. The insurance company JUST cut the check to have it fixed last week.
On Saturday, we had another blow out. Other side, same damage. So here we go again with the insurance.
I had many responses about tires. Some said the ones we have (Towmax ) were junk, some said they were good quality. Manufacture date on them is march 2014. So Lakota put old tires on a new trailer. Not a great concept, but the tread is at 85%. Would like opinions on tires whether to go commercial grade or truck tires. Load range, etc.
Now, my second issue is truck height and resulting trailer ride height. I believe it was FLITASTIC who said his trailer rides higher in the front??? I had posted a picture when we lifted the truck and didn't get too much negative reports, so wasn't too concerned. I understand that it puts more weight on the rear axle, but seemed like a lot of people haul that way without incident. We very rarely haul fully loaded anyways, and put horses in the front most stall/s.
Would you guys think the ride angle is causing the blowouts or the tire age/quality combination?
That was me! My trailer does ride 2" high in the front because my new truck is just higher. I can lower the nose to make it ride level but I am pretty worried that if I need to go someplace with a little angle to the road/driveway I will make contact with the bed of my truck and I am scared to try it. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Did you not replace the tires after the first blow out? Age of that tire could very well be the issue and not worth a risk for me. When one goes...soon the others tend to follow either from stress or from possible damage from debris or whatever caused the first one to go.
And yes...that really is too high in the front. We too have a lifted truck but got zero degree axles on the trailer which essentially accomplishes the same thing as blocking the axles to raise the clearance on the trailer and prevent that nose high angle.
With older questionable tires...and that angle...I'm really not all that surprised this happened again. I hate that for you...having a new trailer damaged like that is no fun.
We ordered our Lakota 3H w 11ft short wall in 2016 with the zero degree axles...and the dates on our tires were just a couple of months old when the trailer was built. We have had no issues so far, and it rides nice and level with good clearance that we need where we camp/haul. |
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Location: Kansas | oh dang! That did some damage, I'm thankful for my steel trailer. I've blown several tires out on my trailer and it just scrapes the paint lol, no fender rip off
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | On the other thread about this you got alot of good suggestions, I would get this trailer leveled out and see how it gos from there and I would put new and right size tires all the way around. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Nose down. Level out the trailer.
Get the appropriate sized tires with appropriate tread for your trailer and weight of the trailer fully loaded.
Again, look into a place like Discount Tires Found here: https://www.discounttire.com/ To get a warranty on tires. Even if you don't have one near you, they ship to tire shops all across the US. The tires would be warrantied through them and the work would be warrantied through whatever shop you deem most competent to mount and balance the tires.
At least then it would be one of their faults if a tire blew and one of them would have to pay for the damage, not the insurance company. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Yes when you travel with the trailer at an unlevel height you cause more wear and tear and unven wear on the axles. They can bend, etc. |
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Location: Windoming | Wow, I recently had my first blowout on my 15 year old Exiss, and it barely bent the bottom of the fender. Hubby just bent it back into shape. It was a back tire, and it was shredded. I was going down a big hill going 75 mph. Not fun. |
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| I have had front tire blow outs before but most are on the back because of the front tire picking stuff up and throwing it into the back tire. We went to 16 ply tires on the trailer and had the axle's fixed. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | We didn't end up buying new tires as it was deemed a defective tire. We were planning on buying all new, but just put new rubber on hubbys work truck, his trailer, and the bumper pull just prior to the initial blow out. So was basically just waiting for the trailer to get fixed and a bit of replenishment to our bank account before forking out even more for tires. Granted, we should have just done it, but hindsight...
The nose can't be dropped due to the grade of our driveway. It would crunch our tailgate/bedsides.
So, trailer will not be used again until it has new tires for sure. We didn't know the manufacture date on the tires until Saturday. We've never had blowouts before this, and didn't realize a brand new trailer wouldn't have had new tires. Obviously, we have learned a valuable lesson!!!
Aside from that, looks like we will be contacting the shop and see about having blocks installed. I appreciate everyones thoughts and information. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | If you're having repeated blow outs the first thing I would check is axle alignment . A good axle/spring service place can check to make sure the axle isn't bent or out of line. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Liana D - 2017-05-22 1:26 PM
If you're having repeated blow outs the first thing I would check is axle alignment . A good axle/spring service place can check to make sure the axle isn't bent or out of line.
We did have the axle checked, and they couldn't find an issue with it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Block that trailer! Lol
If the nose can't come down, the back must go up Lol. Sending positive vibes your way. |
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