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luvinit
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2018-03-13 10:50 AM (#7388477)
Subject: Snapping Too Tight


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What can be done to help get around the barrels when the horse really snaps hard? If you can lift your leg, you are good, but if not you will either knock or rock the barrel.
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turnthree
Reg. Oct 2016
Posted 2018-03-13 11:58 AM (#7388498 - in reply to #7388477)
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My guy is a rollback style and I just try to ride him a bit deeper or one step further into the turn. It can be tough to do though sometimes!
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runfastturnsmooth
Reg. Jan 2017
Posted 2018-03-13 11:59 AM (#7388500 - in reply to #7388477)
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Congrats if dragging it down leaving because they working it good is a problem.

Never fault one for hitting on the backside if they are sitting and turning...its luck at that point and you gotta jockey up. Now if they are cheating coming in, rolling back too hard (some ppl like and can ride this style) , or slicing thats different.
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luvinit
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2018-03-13 12:07 PM (#7388502 - in reply to #7388477)
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I have always said the same!! I can't be mad if they are working!! He is truly just working his butt off. He doesn't try to cheat at all. He just basically has the rollback style and when he snaps back, you better try sucking everything in!!
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rodeowithjoker
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2018-03-13 12:07 PM (#7388503 - in reply to #7388477)
Subject: RE: Snapping Too Tight



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Ride deeper into the turn and or have a smaller pocket coming into the barrel. Those are what I work on with my big snappy turner who has an amazing ability to drag barrels over with his shoulders, ribs, and or hips. 
I'm sharing a video of a run that really shows how Clifford works because I think he's a lot like what you're describing. If he is, then I think my 1 suggestions will help with yours. Personally, I have gotten pretty handy with the leg lift but am lucky he's 15.3 because it's a lot harder to do on a 14 hander!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMwd2nJ1U60
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2018-03-13 12:19 PM (#7388506 - in reply to #7388477)
Subject: RE: Snapping Too Tight



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OK so the trick is to keep his hind end moving...roll-back style looks cool but results in more downed barrels.
This is what I do on mine that wants to come back hard...
After he sits and begins his turn, if I can tell he's going to come back too tight, I just squeeze him a bit.. that will make him take a step with his rear end instead of planting it and rolling over himself.
In my little guy's case, he isn't rating too soon, or doing anything "wrong" at all...it's his natural turn style and I just work with him. At home I practice keeping forward motion and working correctly on his rear...with speed he just really wants to plant it. That little squeeze is all he needs to remind him to keep forward momentum.
It's not that he needs to be "pushed past," he's rating at the correct spot, I let him sit, commit, THEN ride him around the barrel. It works for me and I have knocked very few barrels on him.
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2018-03-13 12:19 PM (#7388507 - in reply to #7388477)
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Ed Wright had my sister teach her horse to move his hind end just a half step to the outside on the backside of the barrel. He was trying too hard and only taking 2 strides to turn the barrel. They drug the second barrel down almost every time. He did not want her to get after him because he was trying so hard to work.
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luvinit
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2018-03-13 12:28 PM (#7388510 - in reply to #7388477)
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Thanks for all the advice. He is definitely doing his part. I can't fault him. He gets up into the turn well, just really turns back hard.
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2018-03-13 12:35 PM (#7388512 - in reply to #7388477)
Subject: RE: Snapping Too Tight


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 Ride straighter linger and work squares at home.
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WrapN3MN
Reg. Mar 2008
Posted 2018-03-13 12:43 PM (#7388513 - in reply to #7388477)
Subject: RE: Snapping Too Tight





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All good advice above - you need to keep his back end moving, ride him stride for stride around your turn.

One thing that helped with mine was adjusting my approach. On this particular horse I used to pick up my rein and ask him to move over. However last year I started pointing him straight to where I wanted to go, rather than asking for a change (moving over, off my leg/hand). I feel like this helps me get more strides around the barrel, because it is asking him to do less with his feet before getting to the barrel. Hope that makes sense?!

This picture is a perfect example - you can see where his hind feet are planting and pushing off - and then my leg goes up. I can do the leg lift, so I often take the risk. This horse is a tight, but slow turner. Asking him for another stride would mean adding more time onto the clock - so I do the leg lift when I can take the risk. If I need a clean run, I ask him to take an extra stride by using my body (hips) to push him through the turn.



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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2018-03-13 12:43 PM (#7388514 - in reply to #7388512)
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CanCan - 2018-03-13 12:35 PM

 Ride straighter linger and work squares at home.

Yes, squares are great!!
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2018-03-13 12:46 PM (#7388515 - in reply to #7388513)
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WrapN3MN - 2018-03-13 12:43 PM

All good advice above - you need to keep his back end moving, ride him stride for stride around your turn.

One thing that helped with mine was adjusting my approach. On this particular horse I used to pick up my rein and ask him to move over. However last year I started pointing him straight to where I wanted to go, rather than asking for a change (moving over, off my leg/hand). I feel like this helps me get more strides around the barrel, because it is asking him to do less with his feet before getting to the barrel. Hope that makes sense?!

This picture is a perfect example - you can see where his hind feet are planting and pushing off - and then my leg goes up. I can do the leg lift, so I often take the risk. This horse is a tight, but slow turner. Asking him for another stride would mean adding more time onto the clock - so I do the leg lift when I can take the risk. If I need a clean run, I ask him to take an extra stride by using my body (hips) to push him through the turn.

Agree 100%.
I failed to mention in my post above, that I CANNOT do the leg lift lol, so I have to ask for that extra movement.
But WrapN is exactly right, it does add fractions to your time. But the barrel stays up, so if you CAN do the leg lift, it's kind of a toss up lol.
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wishingforsun
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2018-03-13 1:02 PM (#7388520 - in reply to #7388477)
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A bit off topic but relevant to the rollback/slingshot style turn...Does anyone have a copy of Tanya Rennick's (I think that was who it was) article on this style of turn from an old Barrel Horse News?  I do not rememeber the issue date or even year - I read it while house sitting many years ago in an issue that was older at that time. 

Not much to go on, sorry but the article explained a slingshot style turn and how to achieve it.  I would LOVE a copy if anyone has it.

 

Edited by wishingforsun 2018-03-13 2:34 PM
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OhMax
Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2018-03-13 3:39 PM (#7388539 - in reply to #7388503)
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rodeowithjoker - 2018-03-13 12:07 PM

Ride deeper into the turn and or have a smaller pocket coming into the barrel. Those are what I work on with my big snappy turner who has an amazing ability to drag barrels over with his shoulders, ribs, and or hips. 
I'm sharing a video of a run that really shows how Clifford works because I think he's a lot like what you're describing. If he is, then I think my 1 suggestions will help with yours. Personally, I have gotten pretty handy with the leg lift but am lucky he's 15.3 because it's a lot harder to do on a 14 hander!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMwd2nJ1U60

I am glad you mentioned this because it sounds exactly like what happened to me on Sunday. My little guy is working so hard, we rubbed the 2nd on our first run and knocked it on the second both leaving. Late last year I started running him to the 2nd with almost no pocket and it was working - your post about a smaller pocket jogged my memory as I was giving him a pocket Sunday.

Def no leg lifting here! My leg is more likely to bounce off the ground and become a kickstand!
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rodeowithjoker
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2018-03-13 8:04 PM (#7388551 - in reply to #7388520)
Subject: RE: Snapping Too Tight



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wishingforsun - 2018-03-13 1:02 PM A bit off topic but relevant to the rollback/slingshot style turn...Does anyone have a copy of Tanya Rennick's (I think that was who it was) article on this style of turn from an old Barrel Horse News?  I do not rememeber the issue date or even year - I read it while house sitting many years ago in an issue that was older at that time. 



Not much to go on, sorry but the article explained a slingshot style turn and how to achieve it.  I would LOVE a copy if anyone has it.


 

Was it Terra Bynum's teardrop turn?
I remember that one being about having a touch of bend through the ribs so you could sneak by the barrel but take one less stride around it.  
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2018-03-13 8:46 PM (#7388554 - in reply to #7388520)
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wishingforsun - 2018-03-13 1:02 PM

A bit off topic but relevant to the rollback/slingshot style turn...Does anyone have a copy of Tanya Rennick's (I think that was who it was) article on this style of turn from an old Barrel Horse News?  I do not rememeber the issue date or even year - I read it while house sitting many years ago in an issue that was older at that time. 

Not much to go on, sorry but the article explained a slingshot style turn and how to achieve it.  I would LOVE a copy if anyone has it.

 

Lynn McKenzie teaches a turn that is a tear drop. And she used the slingshot term at the clinic I went to also.
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