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Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
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TheDutchMan01
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2018-07-06 1:04 PM (#7401682 - in reply to #7401192)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??


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Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM

Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM
OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though...
Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse..   
That's kind of what I am thinking too..  I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled.  So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses.  I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him?
 
ETA: He's only 3

 

I know all you Caldwell lovers are going to hate me for saying this but......the saddle is sliding back behind the shoulder because that's naturally where it should sit. I know their theory is on the shoulder but....

5 stars are the most contoured pad I have seen and I'm not sure why you couldn't use it on a flat backed horse, unless it was too thick.

As a 3 year old it looks like he hasn't developed much wither yet. Saddles usually don't stay well until they develop further. I've found rolling usually is saddle fit and really be from a variety of different issues.
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brlracerchick
Reg. Jun 2010
Posted 2018-07-06 3:29 PM (#7401698 - in reply to #7401180)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??



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my mare was built very similar and a lynn mckenzie special with a 3/4" 5 star fit her the best. I also used a 7.5" crown c but the special fit her better.  
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Lookin For Diamonds
Reg. Jul 2009
Posted 2018-09-14 9:56 AM (#7407901 - in reply to #7401180)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update


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 UPDATE:  8 saddles later...  still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. 

This is what I have tried:
Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle
Caldwell Promax
Caldwell Maxxed Out
Coats Batie tree - Wide
Coats BWBR wide 
2005 Coats wide
Pozzi Flex
Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle

Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. 

Thinking of trying a 
Shiloh.... Too much rock??
Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock 

Any suggestions? 




 
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rpreast
Reg. Nov 2015
Posted 2018-09-14 12:31 PM (#7407922 - in reply to #7407901)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update



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Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-09-14 8:56 AM

 UPDATE:  8 saddles later...  still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. 

This is what I have tried:
Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle
Caldwell Promax
Caldwell Maxxed Out
Coats Batie tree - Wide
Coats BWBR wide 
2005 Coats wide
Pozzi Flex
Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle

Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. 

Thinking of trying a 
Shiloh.... Too much rock??
Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock 

Any suggestions? 




 

Everything that I have had slide back hasn't had enough rock to it. So maybe something with more rock will work. I ride one in a Pozzi #10 tree. It's not my favorite saddle but it fits her well. The Shadd Platt modification on the RooHide's is my favorite for that shape.
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Lookin For Diamonds
Reg. Jul 2009
Posted 2018-09-14 12:38 PM (#7407923 - in reply to #7407922)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update


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rpreast - 2018-09-14 12:31 PM
Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-09-14 8:56 AM  UPDATE:  8 saddles later...  still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. 



This is what I have tried:

Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle

Caldwell Promax

Caldwell Maxxed Out

Coats Batie tree - Wide

Coats BWBR wide 

2005 Coats wide

Pozzi Flex

Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle



Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. 



Thinking of trying a 

Shiloh.... Too much rock??

Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock 



Any suggestions? 








 
Everything that I have had slide back hasn't had enough rock to it. So maybe something with more rock will work. I ride one in a Pozzi #10 tree. It's not my favorite saddle but it fits her well. The Shadd Platt modification on the RooHide's is my favorite for that shape.

 The Pozzi #10 was going to be my next try. Should I go with the wide or she has a #10 with a 40* bar angle. I'm going to get it from FC Saddlery. I ordered a Roo for my other gelding and had sent Brian pictures of this guy and he said the tree I'm getting would fit him as well. I don't want to buy him a roo yet as he is only 3 and would like to get him his own saddle as I haul both of them. 
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Sockittoemred
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2018-09-14 1:12 PM (#7407927 - in reply to #7401180)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update



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You need an Allen Ranch on his AR4 tree.
I had this same issue and tried most all those same saddles plus a few more. They would roll stepping on, ride up her neck, ride back, or slip sideways just loping circles. Nightmare.
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Lookin For Diamonds
Reg. Jul 2009
Posted 2018-09-14 2:10 PM (#7407930 - in reply to #7407927)
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Sockittoemred - 2018-09-14 1:12 PM You need an Allen Ranch on his AR4 tree. I had this same issue and tried most all those same saddles plus a few more. They would roll stepping on, ride up her neck, ride back, or slip sideways just loping circles. Nightmare. I will attach pics of mine and of my mare.

 What is the AR4 Tree? 

Some of the saddles I can't even put any weight in the stirrup to get on! If I trot a small circle it rolls. Shifts side to side, slides back. I'm over it! So is my poor colt
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Sockittoemred
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2018-09-14 3:04 PM (#7407932 - in reply to #7401180)
Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update



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http://www.allenranchsaddles.com/New-AR-Barrels-In-Stock.html
AR4 is his tree. He has several. A standard and a wide then he branched out and made the 33 tree the AR4 and the AR3.
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jschacher
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2018-09-22 3:29 PM (#7408603 - in reply to #7401180)
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I love my Caldwell Promax, it might not be the best fit for my guy but by using correction padding it works.  I am looking for a second saddle and have ordered a Vernon Purdy.  I messaged him on facebook, then he had me call him and we talked in length about concept of his saddle and tree.  Its worth a try to check out his saddles.
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