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RoaniePonie11
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Posted 2018-07-11 1:04 PM (#7402090)
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They are having AQHA classes. I have an appendix mare with what I believe are no QH points. Would it be possible to get 10pts at this 1 race to get her ROM?

I have never competed AQHA before so I have no clue how that works. I would like to breed this mare when I am done running her, but don’t want appendix babies so I would like to at least try to get her ROM.

Any recommendations?
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1DSoon - 2018-07-11 1:10 PM

 it will depend on how many judges they have


Is it possible? Yes

Is it likely? NO

Is the number of judges based on number on entries?
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Posted 2018-07-11 1:35 PM (#7402097 - in reply to #7402090)
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It really doesn't make much difference if a horse is appendix or permanent registered. You can do the exact same thing with either. The number of points that you receive at a show is based on the number of entries and has nothing to do with a 4D. I can assure you that you will be competing against some extremely tough horses and it will be hard to place. You have to have 10 AQHA points to qualify for an ROM. It really is not that easy
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 it will depend on how many judges they have


Is it possible? Yes

Is it likely? NO

Is the number of judges based on number on entries?

Actually it is both.
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streakysox - 2018-07-11 2:35 PM It really doesn't make much difference if a horse is appendix or permanent registered. You can do the exact same thing with either. The number of points that you receive at a show is based on the number of entries and has nothing to do with a 4D. I can assure you that you will be competing against some extremely tough horses and it will be hard to place. You have to have 10 AQHA points to qualify for an ROM. It really is not that easy

Okay Debbie Downer - while it may be hard to place - in your opinion - you should have at least said -

Good luck to the OP -

Go and have fun.   
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Posted 2018-07-11 2:55 PM (#7402106 - in reply to #7402090)
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Number of judges is based on how many judges the show producer chooses to hire. Most of the bigger shows are now double or triple judged.I think Ardmore is usually double judged. You’ll pay a double entry fee to get double points. So if 10 horses enter the AQHA portion and you win the class, you’d get 4 AQHA points instead of 2.
If you do some digging in Google you can probably find the number of AQHA entries they had last year.
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RoaniePonie11
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Posted 2018-07-11 4:48 PM (#7402117 - in reply to #7402090)
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So by the way they award points I would have to be at the top of the class to get any points at all?

What would be the best* way to try to go about getting AQHA points if not this show?
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Posted 2018-07-11 5:12 PM (#7402123 - in reply to #7402117)
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RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-11 3:48 PM So by the way they award points I would have to be at the top of the class to get any points at all? What would be the best* way to try to go about getting AQHA points if not this show?

go to a big show and win it, and as mentioned above you are running against Kelly Yates, Jud Littles horses etc. It takes 3 horses to just get 1/2 a point. So you have to have a HUGE class to finish 3rd and down and even get 1/2 a point. Multiple judges help. 3 horses running and winner gets 1 1/2 points with a triple judges show. But it will also cost you about $15 a judge and $5 drug test per judge as well as stall fees/jump out fees/ office fees. It can cost well over $100 per point...

I wouldn't bother unless it was a mare/stud I was trying to take to the AQHA world show and in that case you can usually qualify with very little points. I think it might be as few as 3 or 4 these days. It's not as prestigious as it used to be. 
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Posted 2018-07-11 5:45 PM (#7402125 - in reply to #7402090)
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Personally, I don’t put a ton of stock in AQHA points when it comes to barrels horses. I’d rather see equistat earnings and record of placings at big races in tough company.

An appendix mare/foal wouldn’t bother me either if I liked the rest of the papers...
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Posted 2018-07-11 9:06 PM (#7402140 - in reply to #7402125)
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OhMax - 2018-07-11 4:45 PM

Personally, I don’t put a ton of stock in AQHA points when it comes to barrels horses. I’d rather see equistat earnings and record of placings at big races in tough company.

An appendix mare/foal wouldn’t bother me either if I liked the rest of the papers...

THIS!!! While I did/do still run barrels at AQHA shows because I am there for other events, my best advice is save your money and use it for entry fees where you can actually win some back.
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streakysox
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Posted 2018-07-11 11:00 PM (#7402147 - in reply to #7402100)
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streakysox - 2018-07-11 2:35 PM It really doesn't make much difference if a horse is appendix or permanent registered. You can do the exact same thing with either. The number of points that you receive at a show is based on the number of entries and has nothing to do with a 4D. I can assure you that you will be competing against some extremely tough horses and it will be hard to place. You have to have 10 AQHA points to qualify for an ROM. It really is not that easy

Okay Debbie Downer - while it may be hard to place - in your opinion - you should have at least said -

Good luck to the OP -

Go and have fun.   

Well first of all my horse is an AQHA LEVEL 2 world champion and Bronze champion in LEVEL 3. It took a year to get enough points for an ROM. This show is in Ardmore OK. Pete Oen lives in Ardmore and while one person can only ride three horses in one AQHA Class you can be sure that Pete will be riding three. (I believe if the class is Junior and Senior Barrels combined the limit is 4). Because this is a futurity there will be many futurity horses trying to qualify for the AQHA world show me sincerity they are already there.

I didn't realize that OP was going to this race. I thought OP was asking if they could get an ROM at that one race.
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Posted 2018-07-11 11:19 PM (#7402148 - in reply to #7402092)
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If you really want to get an ROM, I suggest you find some shows that are 4 or 5 judge shows. It does not matter what discipline that you get an ROM in. It can even be combined Barrels and poles. If you feel that you will do better in amateur events do that. (1) You have to be an AQHA member. (2) you have to have the horse's papers with you when you sign in. (3) You have to have coggins and a health certificate. (4)If you are running amateur you must have an amateur card---can't be a member of any rodeo organization or take money for any kind of horse related thing such as training. (5) If you run amateur, the horse must be registered in your name. There are several multiple judge shows in Tulsa each year. There are also several multiple judge shows in NE TX each year. Hope this helps. If you don't know some of theses things you may make a long drive and not be able to enter. One other thing, you might call the show secretary and find out if you need to pre enter. By the time you pay entry fees grounds fees, drug testing fees, and such I figure it cost use about $100 to $150 PER POINT.
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Posted 2018-07-11 11:26 PM (#7402149 - in reply to #7402090)
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Something I thought of---has this horse ever been raced? If she has and has an SI of at least 80. She has a racing ROM. AQHA doesn't just moved a horse from appendix to the permanent registry. You have to apply. I bought a mare that was older and she had a 92 SI. No one bothered to change her papers unti she was 16 years old. At least check her lip.
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Posted 2018-07-12 10:53 AM (#7402187 - in reply to #7402123)
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wyoming barrel racer - 2018-07-11 5:12 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-11 3:48 PM So by the way they award points I would have to be at the top of the class to get any points at all? What would be the best* way to try to go about getting AQHA points if not this show?
go to a big show and win it, and as mentioned above you are running against Kelly Yates, Jud Littles horses etc. It takes 3 horses to just get 1/2 a point. So you have to have a HUGE class to finish 3rd and down and even get 1/2 a point. Multiple judges help. 3 horses running and winner gets 1 1/2 points with a triple judges show. But it will also cost you about $15 a judge and $5 drug test per judge as well as stall fees/jump out fees/ office fees. It can cost well over $100 per point...



I wouldn't bother unless it was a mare/stud I was trying to take to the AQHA world show and in that case you can usually qualify with very little points. I think it might be as few as 3 or 4 these days. It's not as prestigious as it used to be. 

This is great advice.  I don't know many people that give a rip about the AQHA stuff, it's not going to make any difference on your mare's value or that of her offspring.  

IF you do want to do the horseshow thing - I'd check out some of the straight horse shows and go run there.  Jud's will be a really tough race.  There's easier ways to get qualified.  I lost all respect for the AQHA stuff back when I was riding English.  Shows weren't generally big enough to get much in the way of points - so we had a client that would pay fees and we'd enter other horses just to pad the class.  Of course the horse that was supposed to win did - but what have you really accomplished?  Spent a lot of $$ and got a few trophies to brag about and a 'world qualification'.  Always seemed so silly.

 
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Posted 2018-07-12 10:55 AM (#7402188 - in reply to #7402148)
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streakysox - 2018-07-11 11:19 PM If you really want to get an ROM, I suggest you find some shows that are 4 or 5 judge shows. It does not matter what discipline that you get an ROM in. It can even be combined Barrels and poles. If you feel that you will do better in amateur events do that. (1) You have to be an AQHA member. (2) you have to have the horse's papers with you when you sign in. (3) You have to have coggins and a health certificate. (4)If you are running amateur you must have an amateur card---can't be a member of any rodeo organization or take money for any kind of horse related thing such as training. (5) If you run amateur, the horse must be registered in your name. There are several multiple judge shows in Tulsa each year. There are also several multiple judge shows in NE TX each year. Hope this helps. If you don't know some of theses things you may make a long drive and not be able to enter. One other thing, you might call the show secretary and find out if you need to pre enter. By the time you pay entry fees grounds fees, drug testing fees, and such I figure it cost use about $100 to $150 PER POINT.

That doesn't sound right to me, you can be a member of rodeo organizations - just not the WPRA or PRCA.  Here's the requirements (straight from AQHA) - 
I have NOT within the previous three years:
  • Shown, judged, trained or assisted in training a horse(whether or not a registered American Quarter Horse) owned by someone other than myself or an immediate family member for remuneration.
  • Instructed another person in riding, driving, training or showing a horse for remuneration.
  • Judged a horse show for remuneration or been an approved horse show judge of any kind (4-H,other breed, open show).
  • Held a membership in a professional organization and completed professionally in the events I intend to compete in as an AQHA-approved amateur.

 
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RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-11 3:48 PM So by the way they award points I would have to be at the top of the class to get any points at all? What would be the best* way to try to go about getting AQHA points if not this show?
go to a big show and win it, and as mentioned above you are running against Kelly Yates, Jud Littles horses etc. It takes 3 horses to just get 1/2 a point. So you have to have a HUGE class to finish 3rd and down and even get 1/2 a point. Multiple judges help. 3 horses running and winner gets 1 1/2 points with a triple judges show. But it will also cost you about $15 a judge and $5 drug test per judge as well as stall fees/jump out fees/ office fees. It can cost well over $100 per point...



I wouldn't bother unless it was a mare/stud I was trying to take to the AQHA world show and in that case you can usually qualify with very little points. I think it might be as few as 3 or 4 these days. It's not as prestigious as it used to be. 
This is great advice.  I don't know many people that give a rip about the AQHA stuff, it's not going to make any difference on your mare's value or that of her offspring.  



IF you do want to do the horseshow thing - I'd check out some of the straight horse shows and go run there.  Jud's will be a really tough race.  There's easier ways to get qualified.  I lost all respect for the AQHA stuff back when I was riding English.  Shows weren't generally big enough to get much in the way of points - so we had a client that would pay fees and we'd enter other horses just to pad the class.  Of course the horse that was supposed to win did - but what have you really accomplished?  Spent a lot of $$ and got a few trophies to brag about and a 'world qualification'.  Always seemed so silly.


 

oh they still pad the classes at the small and big shows. So you are pretty much paying a fortune to win and/or qualify. I heard they might even do away with qualifying points to get to the World Show. Numbers are down and AQHA as a whole is more ignorant than ever before. I go because I do have fun, I show for local points/awards and show against friends. I stick to the level I am capable of doing well on a good day (laughing), but it is an expensive hobby and if all goes well the remainder of the year I will have shown at 9 shows (each day is a show). I bet I will have spend close to a $1000 to do so and will earn some fun awards if I finish strong with my local WY AQHA club. 
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RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-11 3:48 PM So by the way they award points I would have to be at the top of the class to get any points at all? What would be the best* way to try to go about getting AQHA points if not this show?
go to a big show and win it, and as mentioned above you are running against Kelly Yates, Jud Littles horses etc. It takes 3 horses to just get 1/2 a point. So you have to have a HUGE class to finish 3rd and down and even get 1/2 a point. Multiple judges help. 3 horses running and winner gets 1 1/2 points with a triple judges show. But it will also cost you about $15 a judge and $5 drug test per judge as well as stall fees/jump out fees/ office fees. It can cost well over $100 per point...



I wouldn't bother unless it was a mare/stud I was trying to take to the AQHA world show and in that case you can usually qualify with very little points. I think it might be as few as 3 or 4 these days. It's not as prestigious as it used to be. 
This is great advice.  I don't know many people that give a rip about the AQHA stuff, it's not going to make any difference on your mare's value or that of her offspring.  



IF you do want to do the horseshow thing - I'd check out some of the straight horse shows and go run there.  Jud's will be a really tough race.  There's easier ways to get qualified.  I lost all respect for the AQHA stuff back when I was riding English.  Shows weren't generally big enough to get much in the way of points - so we had a client that would pay fees and we'd enter other horses just to pad the class.  Of course the horse that was supposed to win did - but what have you really accomplished?  Spent a lot of $$ and got a few trophies to brag about and a 'world qualification'.  Always seemed so silly.


 
oh they still pad the classes at the small and big shows. So you are pretty much paying a fortune to win and/or qualify. I heard they might even do away with qualifying points to get to the World Show. Numbers are down and AQHA as a whole is more ignorant than ever before. I go because I do have fun, I show for local points/awards and show against friends. I stick to the level I am capable of doing well on a good day (laughing), but it is an expensive hobby and if all goes well the remainder of the year I will have shown at 9 shows (each day is a show). I bet I will have spend close to a $1000 to do so and will earn some fun awards if I finish strong with my local WY AQHA club. 

 LOL! Sounds like not much has changed.  I really wasn't around it much - rode hunter/jumpers, but the trainer I worked for had one client that did the AQHA thing as well as the hunter/jumper shows.  We all used to laugh about it, but I went to more than 1 of those things to pad classes. 

Really, it makes sense to drop the requirement on the points for world.  If you want to go to world - then go - and see how you stack up against the rest of the entries.  Seems like a better option than spending a small forture to get there......because after seeing how the English deal worked - I'll never be convinced the best horses go to world.

 
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streakysox - 2018-07-11 11:19 PM If you really want to get an ROM, I suggest you find some shows that are 4 or 5 judge shows. It does not matter what discipline that you get an ROM in. It can even be combined Barrels and poles. If you feel that you will do better in amateur events do that. (1) You have to be an AQHA member. (2) you have to have the horse's papers with you when you sign in. (3) You have to have coggins and a health certificate. (4)If you are running amateur you must have an amateur card---can't be a member of any rodeo organization or take money for any kind of horse related thing such as training. (5) If you run amateur, the horse must be registered in your name. There are several multiple judge shows in Tulsa each year. There are also several multiple judge shows in NE TX each year. Hope this helps. If you don't know some of theses things you may make a long drive and not be able to enter. One other thing, you might call the show secretary and find out if you need to pre enter. By the time you pay entry fees grounds fees, drug testing fees, and such I figure it cost use about $100 to $150 PER POINT.

That doesn't sound right to me, you can be a member of rodeo organizations - just not the WPRA or PRCA.  Here's the requirements (straight from AQHA) - 
I have NOT within the previous three years:
  • Shown, judged, trained or assisted in training a horse(whether or not a registered American Quarter Horse) owned by someone other than myself or an immediate family member for remuneration.
  • Instructed another person in riding, driving, training or showing a horse for remuneration.
  • Judged a horse show for remuneration or been an approved horse show judge of any kind (4-H,other breed, open show).
  • Held a membership in a professional organization and completed professionally in the events I intend to compete in as an AQHA-approved amateur.

 

Did you even read what you posted? WPRA Women's PROFESSIONAL Rodeo Association. (Last statement)

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Posted 2018-07-13 11:44 AM (#7402309 - in reply to #7402249)
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streakysox - 2018-07-11 11:19 PM If you really want to get an ROM, I suggest you find some shows that are 4 or 5 judge shows. It does not matter what discipline that you get an ROM in. It can even be combined Barrels and poles. If you feel that you will do better in amateur events do that. (1) You have to be an AQHA member. (2) you have to have the horse's papers with you when you sign in. (3) You have to have coggins and a health certificate. (4)If you are running amateur you must have an amateur card---can't be a member of any rodeo organization or take money for any kind of horse related thing such as training. (5) If you run amateur, the horse must be registered in your name. There are several multiple judge shows in Tulsa each year. There are also several multiple judge shows in NE TX each year. Hope this helps. If you don't know some of theses things you may make a long drive and not be able to enter. One other thing, you might call the show secretary and find out if you need to pre enter. By the time you pay entry fees grounds fees, drug testing fees, and such I figure it cost use about $100 to $150 PER POINT.
That doesn't sound right to me, you can be a member of rodeo organizations - just not the WPRA or PRCA.  Here's the requirements (straight from AQHA) - 

I have NOT within the previous three years:

  • Shown, judged, trained or assisted in training a horse(whether or not a registered American Quarter Horse) owned by someone other than myself or an immediate family member for remuneration.

  • Instructed another person in riding, driving, training or showing a horse for remuneration.

  • Judged a horse show for remuneration or been an approved horse show judge of any kind (4-H,other breed, open show).

  • Held a membership in a professional organization and completed professionally in the events I intend to compete in as an AQHA-approved amateur.




 
Did you even read what you posted? WPRA Women's PROFESSIONAL Rodeo Association. (Last statement)

I'm confused - I did say you can NOT be a WPRA or PRCA member.  
"That doesn't sound right to me, you can be a member of rodeo organizations - just not the WPRA or PRCA."


 
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