OregonBR - 2018-10-11 10:00 AM


The incentives CAN be awesome if you have the money to play. Mostly it's the riders/owner when they compete that come out ahead. The stallion owners are the ones footing the lions share of the bill year after year.

Just a thought. Just because a stallion has the luck to be owned by a person who can afford to pay them into the most expensive barrel incentive ever conceived, doesn't make that stallion worth anything to breed for a barrel racing prospect. I haven't studied the PB stallion list. But some of them haven't got foals on the ground, let alone anything performing on the track or the arena. Just because they might run on the track, doesn't make them automatically a barrel racing sire. Plus I think the stud fees on all those horses went up to cover the cost of the incentive. That's just how it has to be.

I think it's possible/probable that these PB eligible foals will have an inflated selling price based on the possibility they could earn more money in the PB races. But that's only one race a year. Obviously, people will have to weigh all the facts and choose for themselves. But expect to pay more for the stud fees and the foals in an artificially inflated market.

willyturnit - 2018-10-22 12:10 PM

I agree with you. I can say that I hear "the futurity trainers won't ride them unless they are in the.... incentive". I'm happy for the trainer. but they are not the one footing the bill. I would love to have the $25,000 a year for 5 years to put our stallion in just one incentive. But, lets face it. The people who benefited most from the PB program are the ones who already had 3, 4 or 5 year olds already running. They have had to pay one or two payments, in total, to get to run. The ones with weanlings will pay for 4 years to get to run. That is a huge gambil. Also, try flipping the coin. If the mare owners had to pay $25,000 a year to make the mares foals eligible it would never happen.  

Whiteboy - 2018-10-22 5:10 PM I agree that very few cover over 50 a year, let alone 100.  But now that there is a stallion on every street corner, they have to do something to set themselves apart.  Other than progeny performance and incentives, there are not alot of other ways to do it.   

Mighty Broke - 2018-10-23 6:31 AM


IMO---winning is what gets attention. Getting the horses into the hands of people that will make them shine is the biggest obstacle we run into as a breeder. Selling a foal just to get the cash does no good in the long term, as a breeder you are better off to bite the bullet early and either pay to get them to a quality trainer that will make them shine or sell them at a huge discount and the benefits will be huge down the road. 

OregonBR - 2018-10-23 11:53 AM When you sell one to someone for a discount, USUALLY what they do is flip the horse for a profit and you're never going to see that horse excel anywhere. Because they aren't as picky as you are who buys them. It's not their program they're trying to build. They sell for the money and not for the horse's or your programs well being/benefit. I have a young horse I chose to keep. I have $8K in training so far and he's not close to ready to compete. I figure I'll have another $8K into him before I'm done. ETA: I completely agree with winning gets attention.