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KRJ1791
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2018-12-25 8:13 AM (#7417381)
Subject: Blue Valentine, tell me about them


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 I am looking at a gelding with a LOT of BV blood. He shows up in the 3rd and 4th Gen on the sire side. Along with Hancocks Blue Boy. Dam  side is old cutters. Doc Olena
This is a gelding, he is 8 yrs old. 
I have never worked with one nor had any experience with them. 
Tell me what you know as far as personality traits, trainability, grit, athletism etc. 
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firewaterfuelsme
Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2018-12-25 4:24 PM (#7417401 - in reply to #7417381)
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physically tough, usually tough minded, go all day. not quick footed speed type arena/timed event horses but last all day- using type horse. pssm suspects in pedigree so might want to test for that. depends on what you want horse for...barrels roping i would pass unless already proven. for ranch work i would consider him.
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KRJ1791
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Posted 2018-12-26 7:06 AM (#7417408 - in reply to #7417381)
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Just Let Me Run
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2018-12-26 8:26 AM (#7417413 - in reply to #7417381)
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In my experience these have been the horses who can work all day long- I mean sun-up to sun-down. They have also been slower to mature and I have seen a few buckers with these lines (who's to say that means anything though). They were athletic as heck, grittier than most, but had to have a job they were interested in to keep them on their best behavior. 

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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-12-26 10:48 AM (#7417420 - in reply to #7417401)
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firewaterfuelsme - 2018-12-25 4:24 PM

physically tough, usually tough minded, go all day. not quick footed speed type arena/timed event horses but last all day- using type horse. pssm suspects in pedigree so might want to test for that. depends on what you want horse for...barrels roping i would pass unless already proven. for ranch work i would consider him.

What horses are the pssm suspects?
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-12-26 10:52 AM (#7417421 - in reply to #7417381)
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Hancocks Blue boy was an outstanding individual and has sired many really good horses and sires.  Pepper Joe Hancock for example is a son of Hancocks Blue Boy, and also the sire of Peppers Homespun kid aka Greencard (you saw him under Junior Noguiera during the NFR this year and last year and the year before that).    I also have a mare by Pepper joe Hancock, my colt starter said he put 90 days on her in 30 days, she learned so fast.  Really nice horses from that line. 
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/playboy+sassy+hancock   
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-12-26 11:04 AM (#7417424 - in reply to #7417381)
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I forgot about Freckles Taz ridden by Allan Bach.  2006 2nd prca/aqha heel horse of the year. 2007 3rd heel horse of the year. 2008 3rd heel horse of the year.  2009 3rd heel horse of the year and the same in 2015.  His sire is by hancocks blue boy as well.  
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KRJ1791
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Posted 2018-12-26 12:54 PM (#7417440 - in reply to #7417381)
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 I have gotten the impression they do not suffer fools well. That is you teach them something you better do it the way you want it the first time or you will be battling. I like a really smart, hard core work ethic. This guy is little and I am not looking to set the barrel pen on fire right now. I want something that can be a graet all around horse.
 
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-12-26 1:00 PM (#7417441 - in reply to #7417440)
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KRJ1791 - 2018-12-26 12:54 PM  I have gotten the impression they do not suffer fools well. That is you teach them something you better do it the way you want it the first time or you will be battling. I like a really smart, hard core work ethic. This guy is little and I am not looking to set the barrel pen on fire right now. I want something that can be a graet all around horse.

 

I wouldn't worry one bit about  a horse like that.  They have always been super nice, espcially when crossed on cutting.  What is his pedigree?   
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scwebster
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2018-12-26 2:25 PM (#7417452 - in reply to #7417381)
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Tough horses, make good ranch horses, and I've personally been around many that made good rope horses on both ends. Not a dude ranch horse and will go all day. There was an old gentleman near where I reside that bred the hancock/blue valentine lines. It so happens that he would sell many of the colts to all my team roping friends. They ranch on em and rope as well, competitively. Several have sold for good money. We have had a few come through our barn that were trained as rope horses and sold. I imagine the Doc O Lena would add just the right amout of class.
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crossspur
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Posted 2018-12-26 3:00 PM (#7417458 - in reply to #7417381)
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We've had Blue Valentine horses for years. Blue Valentine him self ran barrels at Cheyenne Frontier Days yrs ago. We have a stallion that is now 20. He is very athletic, good minded and has a lot of speed. He is double bred Blue Valentine & has 22 cross to Joe Hancock. He didn't ever buck even the first time he was saddled. Anyone can ride him. You could leave him out in the pasture for a couple of months go get him saddle him up & ride off. He is now retired. John Red ( who is by Blue Valentines sire Red Man) was a AAA race horse. If your familiar with PC Bronsin & Pat Cowan their dams are both by John Red
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Mecon
Reg. May 2017
Posted 2018-12-27 11:48 AM (#7417499 - in reply to #7417381)
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Up close Red Man in the pedigree is sure desirable. Blue Valentine although maybe not the best strain for barrel horses as slow footed and cumbersome; steer horses, yes. Maybe too much line breeding for color, or based on paper rather than conformation. Fine for all around, or ranch horses. Tend to stay sound.
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2018-12-27 11:56 AM (#7417500 - in reply to #7417381)
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Just an intersting fact:  Leo Hancock Hayes was the last breeding son of BV.  He died in 2006 or 2007 (I cant remember).  Aaron Ranch still has some frozen semen on him.  2019 fee: $10,000 icsi. 
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scwebster
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2018-12-27 1:44 PM (#7417512 - in reply to #7417500)
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Whiteboy - 2018-12-27 11:56 AM Just an intersting fact:  Leo Hancock Hayes was the last breeding son of BV.  He died in 2006 or 2007 (I cant remember).  Aaron Ranch still has some frozen semen on him.  2019 fee: $10,000 icsi. 

Wowza! 
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KRJ1791
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2018-12-27 2:53 PM (#7417515 - in reply to #7417381)
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So an update:
He is a small(14.2) but very well built gelding. Made exactly how I like them..Bay and not a lick of white.
Now the bad, unfortunately somewhere along the road this boy was frustrated to the point of breaking and now wants to pop up any time he gets anxious or frustrated. A year ago I wouldn't have minded that and rode thru it. Now not so much. If I knew a very solid colt starter or trainer who was a good patient hand with the hard cases I would buy him in a heart beat and send him out as he is not malicious about it.
He was fantastic out side the pen.

Well the hunt contiinues.
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cindyt
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-01-10 8:48 AM (#7418616 - in reply to #7417381)
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Love anything that traces back to Hancock... My husband currently has a double bred BV on the bottom side and he is the most laid back gentle horse on the place.  They love to have jobs, and like a few have mentioned, if you put something in there you better put it in there correct because they do not forget. They are amazingly smart and want to work.  And I believe not only did BV run at CFD, he was there to rope and when their daughter pulled her horse off the trailer and found him limping she hoped on BV and won the rodeo...  They are built to last too!   
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Jazz's Girl
Reg. Apr 2013
Posted 2019-01-10 12:36 PM (#7418663 - in reply to #7417381)
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I just bought/rescued from a bad situation this mare. I paid more money for an older supposedly not handled much underweight and wormy mare than I should have but...... check out her papers!!! I couldnt leave her when I went to see her. The pics I was sent didnt portray how thin she really was.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/roll+on+cowgirl

She is big. Like 15.2 and has bone like you dont see anymore. They didnt know what all has been done with her so I am treating her like she knows nothing. Im in no hurry to start her since she needs about 300# but I have been doing groundwork and throwing a small saddle on her. So far she lets me do anything I want EXCEPT pick up her feet. But she's getting better about that. I hear mixed reviews from people that see how shes bred. The ones that raise and ride them LOVE her papers. The ones that have little to no experience with them all tell me how rank she's going to be. I think as long as you dont cowboy them, they will work their hearts out for you. So far I am really liking the mind on this mare. Ask me again in several months once Ive fattened her up and started her and hopefully my opinion is the same.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2019-01-10 9:46 PM (#7418724 - in reply to #7418663)
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Jazz's Girl - 2019-01-10 12:36 PM

I just bought/rescued from a bad situation this mare. I paid more money for an older supposedly not handled much underweight and wormy mare than I should have but...... check out her papers!!! I couldnt leave her when I went to see her. The pics I was sent didnt portray how thin she really was.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/roll+on+cowgirl

She is big. Like 15.2 and has bone like you dont see anymore. They didnt know what all has been done with her so I am treating her like she knows nothing. Im in no hurry to start her since she needs about 300# but I have been doing groundwork and throwing a small saddle on her. So far she lets me do anything I want EXCEPT pick up her feet. But she's getting better about that. I hear mixed reviews from people that see how shes bred. The ones that raise and ride them LOVE her papers. The ones that have little to no experience with them all tell me how rank she's going to be. I think as long as you dont cowboy them, they will work their hearts out for you. So far I am really liking the mind on this mare. Ask me again in several months once Ive fattened her up and started her and hopefully my opinion is the same.

Good luck with her, and please update us in a few months. I love when folks rescue one and they turn out good; hope this is the case for you.
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Jazz's Girl
Reg. Apr 2013
Posted 2019-01-11 9:28 AM (#7418742 - in reply to #7418724)
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Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-10 9:46 PM

Jazz's Girl - 2019-01-10 12:36 PM

I just bought/rescued from a bad situation this mare. I paid more money for an older supposedly not handled much underweight and wormy mare than I should have but...... check out her papers!!! I couldnt leave her when I went to see her. The pics I was sent didnt portray how thin she really was.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/roll+on+cowgirl

She is big. Like 15.2 and has bone like you dont see anymore. They didnt know what all has been done with her so I am treating her like she knows nothing. Im in no hurry to start her since she needs about 300# but I have been doing groundwork and throwing a small saddle on her. So far she lets me do anything I want EXCEPT pick up her feet. But she's getting better about that. I hear mixed reviews from people that see how shes bred. The ones that raise and ride them LOVE her papers. The ones that have little to no experience with them all tell me how rank she's going to be. I think as long as you dont cowboy them, they will work their hearts out for you. So far I am really liking the mind on this mare. Ask me again in several months once Ive fattened her up and started her and hopefully my opinion is the same.

Good luck with her, and please update us in a few months. I love when folks rescue one and they turn out good; hope this is the case for you.

I sure hope it works out too! All I know is I wasn't leaving her in the situation she was in. So far I feel like I got a good one. She has a good mind. And they are right.... teach them the correct way or else you have an uphill battle. I think that's the issue with her feet. And Im not strong enough to fight her, nor do I want to. So every time I handle her, I pick them up. Its gotten to where I can hold her fronts for about 2 seconds. That's better than the millisecond she would pick it up 2 weeks ago. The first time I went to put a bridle on her, she said no way.... Finally got it on. Yesterday I spent about 5 min just working on pulling the headstall up her face and over her ears. Once she figured out what I wanted, she let me slip the bit in her mouth. I figure if I mess with her a little every day, eventually once shes at a healthy weight, I will swing up on her and go from there.
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Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-01-13 10:19 AM (#7418841 - in reply to #7418724)
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we don't live too far away from the 'Come to the Source Sale' in Laramie and have bought quite a few weanlings from this sale.  They are built to last, tuff and versatile.  Alot of rope horses around here go to Blue Valentine.  I found this article for a little history on Leo Hancock Hayes if interested:   http://www.hancockhorses.com/article-breeder-brookings.html
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