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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 8:47 AM (#7418469)
Subject: LAMENESS QUESTION



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I have an 11yr old mare, perfectly healthy, recently started on barrels. This past month she is totally refusing to take her right lead, she will NOT lope a right circle. I had her worked on, massaged, hocks were xrayed yesterday completely clean, front feet xrayed completely clean...what could be the reason??
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-01-09 8:51 AM (#7418470 - in reply to #7418469)
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LIVE2RUN - 2019-01-09 8:47 AM I have an 11yr old mare, perfectly healthy, recently started on barrels. This past month she is totally refusing to take her right lead, she will NOT lope a right circle. I had her worked on, massaged, hocks were xrayed yesterday completely clean, front feet xrayed completely clean...what could be the reason??

Did she use to take her right lead without any hesitating befor? Did you change farriers and have any hoof angles changed?  
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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2019-01-09 9:35 AM (#7418476 - in reply to #7418469)
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You need a good lameness exam with flexions on black top, hoof testers on all four feet. Most hock soreness doesn’t show as lameness, it has to do with traveling base narrow with an inward dish to their stride (even if they xray clean). Could be in the front end but the biggest reason (usually) a horse refuses a lead is hock soreness. Stifles, they’ll usually take the lead but float out.
Odds are less, but there could be a soft tissue problem like medial collateral or suspensory strain in the hock area.

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JLBerry
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2019-01-09 10:15 AM (#7418485 - in reply to #7418469)
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X Ray her back. Mine could not lope to the right either and it was kissing spine.
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 11:26 AM (#7418496 - in reply to #7418470)
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Southtxponygirl - 2019-01-09 7:51 AM

LIVE2RUN - 2019-01-09 8:47 AM I have an 11yr old mare, perfectly healthy, recently started on barrels. This past month she is totally refusing to take her right lead, she will NOT lope a right circle. I had her worked on, massaged, hocks were xrayed yesterday completely clean, front feet xrayed completely clean...what could be the reason??

Did she use to take her right lead without any hesitating befor? Did you change farriers and have any hoof angles changed?  

I have had her for about 3yrs now and she has never refused her right lead nor has she ever taken a lame step. Farrier and the shoes are the same. SI's perhaps??
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 11:28 AM (#7418498 - in reply to #7418476)
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Liana D - 2019-01-09 8:35 AM

You need a good lameness exam with flexions on black top, hoof testers on all four feet. Most hock soreness doesn’t show as lameness, it has to do with traveling base narrow with an inward dish to their stride (even if they xray clean). Could be in the front end but the biggest reason (usually) a horse refuses a lead is hock soreness. Stifles, they’ll usually take the lead but float out.
Odds are less, but there could be a soft tissue problem like medial collateral or suspensory strain in the hock area.

We did lameness exam on hard ground, loped small circles on the hard ground, nerved blocked her left front foot, did hock flexion tests, hoof testers as well...she travels just fine. Frustrating and I wish they talked. LOL
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 11:30 AM (#7418499 - in reply to #7418485)
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JLBerry - 2019-01-09 9:15 AM

X Ray her back. Mine could not lope to the right either and it was kissing spine.

Hmm, didn't think of that. What other symptoms come with kissing spine as she's been perfectly fine since I have owned her??? She has never offered to buck either, not one time. I can lope her to the left perfectly fine, we do lots of trail riding too, no lameness issues whatsoever....

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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2019-01-09 12:00 PM (#7418507 - in reply to #7418499)
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Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 3:18 PM (#7418534 - in reply to #7418507)
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Liana D - 2019-01-09 11:00 AM

Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

Would there be swelling of any kind in that hind leg? She doesn't have any, all legs look good. I live in AZ, I don't think she has EPM.

Edited by LIVE2RUN 2019-01-09 3:19 PM
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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2019-01-09 4:04 PM (#7418545 - in reply to #7418534)
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Liana D - 2019-01-09 11:00 AM

Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

Would there be swelling of any kind in that hind leg? She doesn't have any, all legs look good. I live in AZ, I don't think she has EPM.

You. I probably wouldn’t worry about EPM.

No, there probably wouldn’t be any swelling with a soft tissue injury. Especially with a high suspensory injury they’re usually not lame. The worst one I had was completely sound on flexions, had been to 3 good vets. They were recommending a bone scan thinking it was probably SI, I asked them to u/s hind leg first and it showed up quickly.

Circles in the round will tell you a lot.
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-09 4:14 PM (#7418547 - in reply to #7418545)
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Liana D - 2019-01-09 3:04 PM

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Liana D - 2019-01-09 11:00 AM

Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

Would there be swelling of any kind in that hind leg? She doesn't have any, all legs look good. I live in AZ, I don't think she has EPM.

You. I probably wouldn’t worry about EPM.

No, there probably wouldn’t be any swelling with a soft tissue injury. Especially with a high suspensory injury they’re usually not lame. The worst one I had was completely sound on flexions, had been to 3 good vets. They were recommending a bone scan thinking it was probably SI, I asked them to u/s hind leg first and it showed up quickly.

Circles in the round will tell you a lot.

Circles will tell me what? As we did a ton of small circles on the hard ground yesterday and saw nothing, what am I looking for??
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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2019-01-09 4:21 PM (#7418548 - in reply to #7418547)
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LIVE2RUN - 2019-01-09 4:14 PM

Liana D - 2019-01-09 3:04 PM

LIVE2RUN - 2019-01-09 3:18 PM

Liana D - 2019-01-09 11:00 AM

Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

Would there be swelling of any kind in that hind leg? She doesn't have any, all legs look good. I live in AZ, I don't think she has EPM.

You. I probably wouldn’t worry about EPM.

No, there probably wouldn’t be any swelling with a soft tissue injury. Especially with a high suspensory injury they’re usually not lame. The worst one I had was completely sound on flexions, had been to 3 good vets. They were recommending a bone scan thinking it was probably SI, I asked them to u/s hind leg first and it showed up quickly.

Circles in the round will tell you a lot.

Circles will tell me what? As we did a ton of small circles on the hard ground yesterday and saw nothing, what am I looking for??

As I stated above, if you’ll put her in a roundpen, unsaddled and lope her to the right, watch for her cross firing, switching directions or using the wrong lead. Watch how she travels. If she can’t hold that lead or doesn’t want to lope that way at all, I would u/s that leg from the hock down.
If you don’t have a roundpen you can use a longeline. When looking for soft tissue problems, deeper ground will show problems easier.

Edited by Liana D 2019-01-09 4:23 PM
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2019-01-10 10:56 AM (#7418647 - in reply to #7418548)
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Liana D - 2019-01-09 3:21 PM

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Liana D - 2019-01-09 11:00 AM

Unless you’ve already done it I would want to see how she loped without a saddle in the round pen , to the right. If she can’t hold that lead easily for several circles, without switching leads, cross firing or switching directions, I would ultrasound soft tissue in the right hind leg from the hock down to the hoof.

If you don’t have a roundpen, you can use a 30’ longe line.
If you’re in the Midwest I would check proprioception for EPM.

Would there be swelling of any kind in that hind leg? She doesn't have any, all legs look good. I live in AZ, I don't think she has EPM.

You. I probably wouldn’t worry about EPM.

No, there probably wouldn’t be any swelling with a soft tissue injury. Especially with a high suspensory injury they’re usually not lame. The worst one I had was completely sound on flexions, had been to 3 good vets. They were recommending a bone scan thinking it was probably SI, I asked them to u/s hind leg first and it showed up quickly.

Circles in the round will tell you a lot.

Circles will tell me what? As we did a ton of small circles on the hard ground yesterday and saw nothing, what am I looking for??

As I stated above, if you’ll put her in a roundpen, unsaddled and lope her to the right, watch for her cross firing, switching directions or using the wrong lead. Watch how she travels. If she can’t hold that lead or doesn’t want to lope that way at all, I would u/s that leg from the hock down.
If you don’t have a roundpen you can use a longeline. When looking for soft tissue problems, deeper ground will show problems easier.

Gotcha!! I will give that a try and see what she does. Thanks.
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