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vjls
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These people have gone bat a** crazy... 
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oija
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Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.
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oija - 2019-02-07 11:03 PM

Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

Animal manure is some of the best Agricultural Fertilizer in existence. And it is ALL Natural. No chemicals added!
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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2019-02-08 6:48 AM
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People do these same things.......fart and produce waste.  What the heck are we going to do about that?

 
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FlyingJT
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Posted 2019-02-08 9:51 AM
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oija - 2019-02-07 11:03 PM

Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

They currently have and are still working on what they call Methane Digesters. I think it's an amazing idea, cuts Methane Emissions, powers the farms, and they could actually sell the excess energy if they produce enough. Problem... it costs 1.5 million to be installed. Small farms just can't afford it to even get started.

Why don't the Dems dump money into that industry to come up with more affordable means for these small farms to invest in these? Incentives to encourage farms to participate and regulations for large dairies and feed yards to comply with.

That's a more logical and realistic solution that people on both sides of the isle could come up with an agreement on. They won't however, because that wouldn't keep the country divided and keep them in office.

We need common sense back in politics!
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BS Hauler
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2019-02-08 10:08 AM
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How did this country survive when millions upon millions of buffalo roamed this country and farted..
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FlyingJT
Reg. Jan 2014
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BS Hauler - 2019-02-08 10:08 AM

How did this country survive when millions upon millions of buffalo roamed this country and farted..

They weren't confined to concentrated areas
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Bear
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2019-02-08 10:23 AM
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This whole idea of farts being an existential threat to humanity just blows my mind. A few years ago I thought the idea was a bizarre joke, but people are taking it seriously.
Methane production has supposedly increased over the last 200-300 years. They attribute this to cow farts, landfills, fossil fuels, burning of anything (ie forest fires, campfires, etc...), wetlands, etc....
The environmentalists claim that methane is one of the significant factors in global WARMING. Over the last 4 decades, we have gone from “the coming ice age” (global “cooling”), to global “warming”, and now we have the catch-all phrase, “climate change”. The reason for this new environmentalist fad du jour is because the fact that our climate is always changing cannot be denied.....earth’s climate has always been changing...always. The reason why environmentalists
have tried to get away from “global warming” in recent years is because the dirty little secret is that we have seen a hiatus in global “warming” over the last 20+ years. Anecdotally, most of us are probably calling into question the existence of global warming, in light of the record cold winter we’ve experienced in many states.
Overall, even NOAA has admitted we haven’t had any global warming in two decades. The climate alarmists go to great lengths to painfully try to explain this away, but most people are baffled. This throws a monkey wrench into their agenda.
I think the real underlying agenda stems from an insatiable quest for political power. Whenever science allows itself to be intertwined with politics, science itself gets called into question, and the perception of scientific validity is weakened in the court of public opinion. Shame on science.
Few people question the broad claim that we are experiencing “climate change”.....as I said, we’ve always had it. The real question, as I see it, is whether or not man’s activities have contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to “climate change”. Showing rising CO2 and methane levels and concluding that this is a significant factor in “climate change” is a huge leap, based on the well recognized logical fallacy that “correlation implies causation”.
The truth of the matter is that correlation does NOT imply causation.

Here’s an example of correlation NOT implying causation:

For years epidemiologists have told us that women on hormone replacement therapy have a lower incidence of coronary artery disease. This was based on retrospective data. Prospective trials have subsequently have shown that women on hormone replacement therapy, long term, experience a small, but statistically significant INCREASE in coronary artery disease.

Bottom line for me on climate change and human activity: I’m not convinced, and therefore am not ready to impose carbon taxes, abandon cows, and drive $100,000 electric cars that don’t work when temperatures get below freezing.
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Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2019-02-08 10:34 AM
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Bear - 2019-02-08 11:23 AM This whole idea of farts being an existential threat to humanity just blows my mind. A few years ago I thought the idea was a bizarre joke, but people are taking it seriously. Methane production has supposedly increased over the last 200-300 years. They attribute this to cow farts, landfills, fossil fuels, burning of anything (ie forest fires, campfires, etc...), wetlands, etc.... The environmentalists claim that methane is one of the significant factors in global WARMING. Over the last 4 decades, we have gone from “the coming ice age” (global “cooling”), to global “warming”, and now we have the catch-all phrase, “climate change”. The reason for this new environmentalist fad du jour is because the fact that our climate is always changing cannot be denied.....earth’s climate has always been changing...always. The reason why environmentalists have tried to get away from “global warming” in recent years is because the dirty little secret is that we have seen a hiatus in global “warming” over the last 20+ years. Anecdotally, most of us are probably calling into question the existence of global warming, in light of the record cold winter we’ve experienced in many states. Overall, even NOAA has admitted we haven’t had any global warming in two decades. The climate alarmists go to great lengths to painfully try to explain this away, but most people are baffled. This throws a monkey wrench into their agenda. I think the real underlying agenda stems from an insatiable quest for political power. Whenever science allows itself to be intertwined with politics, science itself gets called into question, and the perception of scientific validity is weakened in the court of public opinion. Shame on science. Few people question the broad claim that we are experiencing “climate change”.....as I said, we’ve always had it. The real question, as I see it, is whether or not man’s activities have contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to “climate change”. Showing rising CO2 and methane levels and concluding that this is a significant factor in “climate change” is a huge leap, based on the well recognized logical fallacy that “correlation implies causation”. The truth of the matter is that correlation does NOT imply causation. Here’s an example of correlation NOT implying causation: For years epidemiologists have told us that women on hormone replacement therapy have a lower incidence of coronary artery disease. This was based on retrospective data. Prospective trials have subsequently have shown that women on hormone replacement therapy, long term, experience a small, but statistically significant INCREASE in coronary artery disease. Bottom line for me on climate change and human activity: I’m not convinced, and therefore am not ready to impose carbon taxes, abandon cows, and drive $100,000 electric cars that don’t work when temperatures get below freezing.



Go Bear! 
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-02-08 10:42 AM
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oija - 2019-02-07 11:03 PM

Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

Animal manure is some of the best Agricultural Fertilizer in existence. And it is ALL Natural. No chemicals added!

Hahaha and you want it in your drinking water?
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3canstorun
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2019-02-08 10:42 AM
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oija - 2019-02-08 12:03 AM Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

When it comes to the health of the people that live around the farms -   It's kinda like our neighbors moving next to the farm.  With 70 year old groves.  They want to know if we can only water at certain times because they don't like the sound of the irrigation.  Really, your ass moved there last year.  The trees were there 69 years before you. 

I do agree we maybe we can find a way to recyle more waste products.  But don't move next door to it and then complain.  You knew what you were getting into when you bought the property.  Rant over.   
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
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Frodo - 2019-02-08 6:48 AM

People do these same things.......fart and produce waste.  What the heck are we going to do about that?

 

Yeah do you also choose cud? The amount of methane you produce is nothing next to ruminants like cattle and sheep.
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oija - 2019-02-08 12:03 AM Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

When it comes to the health of the people that live around the farms -   It's kinda like our neighbors moving next to the farm.  With 70 year old groves.  They want to know if we can only water at certain times because they don't like the sound of the irrigation.  Really, your ass moved there last year.  The trees were there 69 years before you. 

I do agree we maybe we can find a way to recyle more waste products.  But don't move next door to it and then complain.  You knew what you were getting into when you bought the property.  Rant over.   

I agree to some extent with people that live close. Unless of course their family has owned the land or something for generations and then a feedlot moves in next door. I understand them being ****ed.
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BS Hauler - 2019-02-08 10:08 AM

How did this country survive when millions upon millions of buffalo roamed this country and farted..

Yeah how many cars and how much coal and gas burning and such happen at that time? Really different contexts.
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FlyingJT - 2019-02-08 9:51 AM

oija - 2019-02-07 11:03 PM

Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

They currently have and are still working on what they call Methane Digesters. I think it's an amazing idea, cuts Methane Emissions, powers the farms, and they could actually sell the excess energy if they produce enough. Problem... it costs 1.5 million to be installed. Small farms just can't afford it to even get started.

Why don't the Dems dump money into that industry to come up with more affordable means for these small farms to invest in these? Incentives to encourage farms to participate and regulations for large dairies and feed yards to comply with.

That's a more logical and realistic solution that people on both sides of the isle could come up with an agreement on. They won't however, because that wouldn't keep the country divided and keep them in office.

We need common sense back in politics!

Cool beans! Yes they had some cool research at WTAMU when I was there in feeding feedlot cattle different things to help with the odor. Ever been to Hereford lol that has five feed lots for a very small town. You can smell it an hour away sometimes. They were also working with solutions for different kinds of soil base to help prevent waste getting in ground water and such. There are some good solutions out there emerging.
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-02-08 10:54 AM
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Bear - 2019-02-08 10:23 AM

This whole idea of farts being an existential threat to humanity just blows my mind. A few years ago I thought the idea was a bizarre joke, but people are taking it seriously.
Methane production has supposedly increased over the last 200-300 years. They attribute this to cow farts, landfills, fossil fuels, burning of anything (ie forest fires, campfires, etc...), wetlands, etc....
The environmentalists claim that methane is one of the significant factors in global WARMING. Over the last 4 decades, we have gone from “the coming ice age” (global “cooling”), to global “warming”, and now we have the catch-all phrase, “climate change”. The reason for this new environmentalist fad du jour is because the fact that our climate is always changing cannot be denied.....earth’s climate has always been changing...always. The reason why environmentalists
have tried to get away from “global warming” in recent years is because the dirty little secret is that we have seen a hiatus in global “warming” over the last 20+ years. Anecdotally, most of us are probably calling into question the existence of global warming, in light of the record cold winter we’ve experienced in many states.
Overall, even NOAA has admitted we haven’t had any global warming in two decades. The climate alarmists go to great lengths to painfully try to explain this away, but most people are baffled. This throws a monkey wrench into their agenda.
I think the real underlying agenda stems from an insatiable quest for political power. Whenever science allows itself to be intertwined with politics, science itself gets called into question, and the perception of scientific validity is weakened in the court of public opinion. Shame on science.
Few people question the broad claim that we are experiencing “climate change”.....as I said, we’ve always had it. The real question, as I see it, is whether or not man’s activities have contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to “climate change”. Showing rising CO2 and methane levels and concluding that this is a significant factor in “climate change” is a huge leap, based on the well recognized logical fallacy that “correlation implies causation”.
The truth of the matter is that correlation does NOT imply causation.

Here’s an example of correlation NOT implying causation:

For years epidemiologists have told us that women on hormone replacement therapy have a lower incidence of coronary artery disease. This was based on retrospective data. Prospective trials have subsequently have shown that women on hormone replacement therapy, long term, experience a small, but statistically significant INCREASE in coronary artery disease.

Bottom line for me on climate change and human activity: I’m not convinced, and therefore am not ready to impose carbon taxes, abandon cows, and drive $100,000 electric cars that don’t work when temperatures get below freezing.

My general philosophy is that, no matter how much our emissions may be contributing to changes in temperature, tons of things like methane or smoke of any kind in our environment is not good for breathing conditions and general health of people and animals living on this planet. Cutting down on pollution is just a good idea.

And I don’t know where you are getting your info but according to NOAA Eighteen of the hottest 19 years on record since 1880 have occurred since 2001.

ETA: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2841/2018-fourth-warmest-year-in-conti...

Edited by oija 2019-02-08 11:10 AM
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BS Hauler
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2019-02-08 11:36 AM
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The number of cows offsets the number of buffalo.  Its a net zero.
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Posted 2019-02-08 11:49 AM
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oija - 2019-02-08 10:42 AM

foundation horse - 2019-02-08 5:15 AM

oija - 2019-02-07 11:03 PM

Actually beef do have a pretty strong environmental impact aside from the methane they produce, which is more than other livestock because they are ruminants. In general, the amount of physical waste they also produce can negatively impact ground water and drinking water too without the right regulations. I am not about to stop eating steak and think that lady’s net zero idea is a bit bonkers. But I don’t disagree that we need some regulation in the industry for the health of people around farms and feedlots and the environment too. The person who wrote that article is honestly kind of a nasty insulting one sided writer. In her own way she is as extreme and ridiculous as the people she is attempting to call out.

Animal manure is some of the best Agricultural Fertilizer in existence. And it is ALL Natural. No chemicals added!

Hahaha and you want it in your drinking water?

When filtered via natural means i.e. gravel, charcoal etc. it is fine in drinking water.
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BS Hauler
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2019-02-08 12:20 PM
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And if you put enought money in these peoples pockets they will come up with what ever you want them too.  The earth is a big recycling machine. Always has been.  When all the humans are gone from here it will still be going around and around.   And if any of these lib nut jobs had any science intelligents they would know that the Earth is doomed anyway.  Someday when the Sun dies it will take the Earth with it.  Just plain science.
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