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FINAL UPDATE:NOT ULCERS**Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed
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Gsdknox44
Reg. May 2018
Posted 2019-02-07 9:38 PM (#7421440)
Subject: FINAL UPDATE:NOT ULCERS**Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed



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FINAL UPDATE: After much of you explained how the fecal test is not very accurate I had him scoped this morning and he does not have ulcers. He just needs an attitude adjustment and I’m going to have a chiro adjust him as well! Thank you for your help everyone this thread has been so helpful!!




Long story short I sold my gelding 8 years ago and he was given back to me this summer. He’s been standing in a field doing nothing for the past few years. When I started legging him up I noticed he would get ****y when I’d go to tighten his cinch so I thought it may be his back and gave him some time off and got a built up pad. Vet put him on an nsaid and said his behavior could be due to his lack of topline muscle. Tonight when I went to tighten the cinch I noticed he was being extra hateful so I held the cinch up to him as if I was going to tighten it and he immediately lunged and tried to bite me. This reaction is the worst he’s ever had since getting him back. He also chomps and pins his ears when I adjust his winter blanket (by adjust I mean pulling it even if it’s favoring one side). He’s fine once I start riding him he’s only hateful when I’m on the ground. I’m trying to figure out if this is a behavioral or physical issue since I don’t know what was done to him during the 8 years I didn’t have him.
Has anyone ever had any experience with this?






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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-02-07 9:41 PM (#7421441 - in reply to #7421440)
Subject: RE: Biting when cinched and blanketed



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Ulcers is the first thing that comes to mind.. 
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barrelracinbroke
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2019-02-07 9:44 PM (#7421443 - in reply to #7421441)
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Southtxponygirl - 2019-02-07 7:41 PM Ulcers is the first thing that comes to mind.. 

Mine too
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Gsdknox44
Reg. May 2018
Posted 2019-02-07 10:35 PM (#7421446 - in reply to #7421443)
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Ulcers is also what I was thinking after some google searching. Does anyone have recommendations on the best way to treat them or should I just make a call to the vet? I will add he sometimes has loose stools as well with no diet changes I read that it can also be a symptom.
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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2019-02-08 12:49 AM (#7421450 - in reply to #7421446)
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  My mare started doing this. Crabby, tried to bite and one time almost kicked me when cinched. Very unlike her. Had her scoped for ulcers and she had nothing. Glad I didn't waste money on treatment. Eventually my saddle, which was custom to her and I had for 4 years, was showing signs of not fitting. Her back slowly changed until it was apparent. She really didn't present any back soreness to my vet which is the frustrating part. Until a few months later after the ulcer scope, she final palpated sore in her wither area. I had her adjusted, injected the muscles along the side of her withers and did mesotherapy. Then started searching for a new saddle... Fun fun. Fast forward, she is still a little crabby but nothing like she was. Now it's hard to determine what's a learned behavior and what is soreness. Can they please just talk?
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2019-02-08 2:49 AM (#7421451 - in reply to #7421440)
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Ulcers. Go to Tractor Supply and get a tube of Ulcer Guard. Give 1/3 a tube a day. If that helps then most likely it’s ulcers.
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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2019-02-08 6:59 AM (#7421455 - in reply to #7421440)
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My first thought is ulcers, I would get the vet out and scope. Also, might not hurt to have him chiroed.
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inittowinit
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-02-08 9:01 AM (#7421462 - in reply to #7421440)
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Have a mare exactly like this. No ulcers per scope. Have her chiro regularly. Her sternum and left side are always out. When she is out she is a witch when brushing and saddling. Have her chiro and she is fine after that. When she starts getting ill again we know its time for an adjustment.
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Pocahontas
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2019-02-08 9:11 AM (#7421466 - in reply to #7421440)
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I would think ulcers and adjustments like everyone else..I would try alfalfa if you can get it, so long as he can handle the protein...if it makes him hot just work him more..its a cheaper slower fix then something like gastro guard but it helps..but I would be scolding him for such behavior so it doesnt become a learned habit which can be dangerous. Best of luck!!
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Chicken Fried
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-08 2:04 PM (#7421525 - in reply to #7421440)
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I'd look into; ulcers, chiropractic adjustment and saddle fit.
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Gsdknox44
Reg. May 2018
Posted 2019-02-08 3:17 PM (#7421546 - in reply to #7421440)
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Thanks for all the replies everyone! Talked to my vet today and I’m dropping off a fecal sample for them to test for blood tomorrow and if nothing shows then I’m going to get him scoped. I’ll keep y’all posted!
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Last Catt
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Posted 2019-02-09 1:53 PM (#7421627 - in reply to #7421440)
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Hindsight is I should have had her on something for ulcer prevention, but sent my mare out to be bred live cover (4 hour drive, 1 month stay at a new house, with new herd, new hay, etc. and 4 hour drive home) and she was becoming nasty to blanket or cinch, also frequent colic episodes but was even passing manure relatively quickly in her colic periods but very painful. Couldn't even raise a hand to pet her side without her pinning her ears. I did Oxy-Aide when they had their special, as it's supposed to do front and hindgut uclers, and sure enough, she's back to her sweet self and enjoying scratches and being brushed again. If I remember correctly, the fecal sample should show hindgut ulcers as well.
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2019-02-09 4:30 PM (#7421647 - in reply to #7421440)
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Try Zesterra. It gets both fore and hind gut ulcers.
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Gsdknox44
Reg. May 2018
Posted 2019-02-09 7:48 PM (#7421666 - in reply to #7421440)
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Wanted to update everyone fecal test showed hind and fore gut ulcers. Vet recommended I put him on equisure and see how he does and go to Ulcergard from there if no improvement.
SO new question, has anyone successfully treated with something other than gastrogard? I don’t really have the $1000 to drop on it to treat him. I’ve read conflicting articles online about compounded Omeprazole not healing the ulcers and I also called and got a price on it today and it was a few hundred dollars so I’d hate to spend that and end up having to pay for the Gastrogard anyways.
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boogie
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2019-02-09 7:59 PM (#7421667 - in reply to #7421666)
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I have had good luck with zesstera an nrf2
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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2019-02-09 8:19 PM (#7421670 - in reply to #7421440)
Subject: RE: **Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed


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 Gastroplus works on gastric and hind gut ulcers. No fillers or sugars. 1 months worth us $110 with free shipping and I have a 10% off coupon code going all month. BHW2019. The link will show before and after pictures as well.https://www.grazingbitperformancehorses.com/product-page/gastroplus?categoryId=bf0fdd7c-21a5-5a3e-984e-6d0c5b85bd22
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bbennington
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2019-02-09 8:41 PM (#7421675 - in reply to #7421440)
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I recently started a post about Alber equine. I have only heard good things about their products. Check their website out and it cost a good chunk less. Several different options
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2019-02-09 8:53 PM (#7421677 - in reply to #7421440)
Subject: RE: **Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed



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Just a couple things........ your vet probably used the Succeed fecal test. They are the ones that also sell the treatment. Lol. My vet told me that test is not very reliable. But anyway , you can get the ulcerguard instead of gatroguaed. They are the exact same thing by the exact same company. People have reported that half a tube , even 1/4 tube have been effective.
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WetSaddleBlankets
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2019-02-09 9:31 PM (#7421681 - in reply to #7421677)
Subject: RE: **Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed


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FLITASTIC - 2019-02-09 8:53 PM

Just a couple things........ your vet probably used the Succeed fecal test. They are the ones that also sell the treatment. Lol. My vet told me that test is not very reliable. But anyway , you can get the ulcerguard instead of gatroguaed. They are the exact same thing by the exact same company. People have reported that half a tube , even 1/4 tube have been effective.

This is what I did for my other horse with ulcers. I got ulcergard from heartland vet supply with their ongoing site wide promo code discount. This week it's 6% for valentines day. I got it for 28- 30 dollars a tube. I could of given a half a tube for 2 weeks and a 1/4 of a tube for the other 2 weeks but since I got a deal on it I gave a half a tube for 28 days and a 1/4 tube for 8 days to wean him off. I like using gastrogard and ulcergard bec it has the science behind it to actually get past the stomach and be digested properly to treat with out me doubting it's potency and effectiveness. Other omeprazole products don't have that.
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2019-02-10 8:02 AM (#7421687 - in reply to #7421440)
Subject: RE: **Update: It’s ulcers! Treatment options?**Biting when cinched and blanketed


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Zesterra is supposed to heal both fore and hind gut ulcers. Gastrogard and Ulcergard has not heal hind gut. I’ve also heard that Succeed will heal them also but have never used it for that. Bryel Mulligan is on Facebook. Message her and she can answer the questions about Zesterra.

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