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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2019-03-14 12:53 PM (#7424949)
Subject: Extruded Renew Gold pellets


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The new extruded form of Renew Gold is finally hitting the stores, and we are getting some calls from surprised customers about the different appearance of the product. The success that we are having with Renew Gold Senior in an extruded form caused us to look at the possibility of extruding the original Renew Gold formulation. It took a while to figure out how to do this without altering the formulation, but we eventually got it done. There are a number of advantages to this change. First, much of the nutrient absorbtion will take place higher in the small intestine. This means more effeciency. Second, almost no fines in the bag. The result here will be less waste, and less fine material inhaled by horses that have high respiratory sensitivities. Since the formula did not change in any way, the flavor remains the same. Some horses that have been eating original Renew Gold pellets may be put off for a few days due to the difference in mouth feel. If that is the case, just give them a little time and they will accept the extruded pellets just fine. 

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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2019-03-14 1:31 PM (#7424950 - in reply to #7424949)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets


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I think that will make a big difference.  I think I waste about 10% of each back due to dust.  

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-03-14 3:25 PM (#7424966 - in reply to #7424949)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets





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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2019-03-14 4:05 PM (#7424970 - in reply to #7424949)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets


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As most people know, we made the original pellets soft on purpose so that Renew Gold would break down to a meal form by the time it got to the stomach. The extruded pellets are crunchy rather than soft, but break down at approximately the same rate. The original pellets worked great, but could be a problem if the bags were thrown around a lot at the store or by the customer.  That would make more of the soft pellets break down into a meal form. That meal was Renew Gold too, so that was not an issue nutritionally. However, It could cause more waste depending on how it was fed. As I said above, there can also be some effeciency advantages in the horses system if extrusion is done right as what starch is present is altered for easier use higher in the system and less potential disruption in the hind gut. We have seen some pretty amazing results with the Senior formulation in very heavy use performance horses. While that formulation is unique, the extrusion advantage is a contributor to the response that we are seeing. Original formula Renew Gold is working its way through the distributors now, and will be available in stores over the next few months.

 



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Mrs.Stepniak
Reg. Oct 2015
Posted 2019-03-15 8:58 AM (#7424993 - in reply to #7424970)
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Winwillows...I know I read this somewhere but the senior formula can be fed in addition to the original? How much do you recommend to add? 

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1DSoon
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-03-15 10:36 AM (#7425000 - in reply to #7424993)
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Mrs.Stepniak - 2019-03-15 9:58 AM


Winwillows...I know I read this somewhere but the senior formula can be fed in addition to the original? How much do you recommend to add? 


but why?

 

 

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-03-15 10:41 AM (#7425003 - in reply to #7424993)
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Mrs.Stepniak - 2019-03-15 8:58 AM


Winwillows...I know I read this somewhere but the senior formula can be fed in addition to the original? How much do you recommend to add? 


Like mixing the two different formulas together? If so why, I would just use one or the other.

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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2019-03-15 11:01 AM (#7425005 - in reply to #7424949)
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Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 

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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2019-03-15 11:14 AM (#7425006 - in reply to #7425005)
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winwillows - 2019-03-15 9:01 AM


Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 


Exactly what I do!! Mix them! The senior alone is to much for mine when I am not competing heavy. When I am competing heavy or traveling lots of miles I do 80% senior 20% regular. Average use 50/50. When weather is bad and I'm not exercising as much 20/80. 

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Mrs.Stepniak
Reg. Oct 2015
Posted 2019-03-15 1:35 PM (#7425017 - in reply to #7425000)
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1DSoon - 2019-03-15 10:36 AM


Mrs.Stepniak - 2019-03-15 9:58 AM


Winwillows...I know I read this somewhere but the senior formula can be fed in addition to the original? How much do you recommend to add? 



but why?


 


 


I don't feel the need to answer that simply because of your previous comment 

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Mrs.Stepniak
Reg. Oct 2015
Posted 2019-03-15 1:44 PM (#7425018 - in reply to #7425006)
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winwillows - 2019-03-15 9:01 AM

Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 

Exactly what I do!! Mix them! The senior alone is to much for mine when I am not competing heavy. When I am competing heavy or traveling lots of miles I do 80% senior 20% regular. Average use 50/50. When weather is bad and I'm not exercising as much 20/80. 

Thank you winwillows for commenting. My horses look incredible on the original formula. I asked because my 7 year old appendix bred tends to need just a little more when he is being worked consistently.  He is at 1.5 lb of the original and maintains beautifully on that during off season. Was wondering if I could add the Senior or up his original to 2 lbs.



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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2019-03-15 5:23 PM (#7425035 - in reply to #7425018)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets


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winwillows - 2019-03-15 9:01 AM


Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 



Exactly what I do!! Mix them! The senior alone is to much for mine when I am not competing heavy. When I am competing heavy or traveling lots of miles I do 80% senior 20% regular. Average use 50/50. When weather is bad and I'm not exercising as much 20/80. 



Thank you winwillows for commenting. My horses look incredible on the original formula. I asked because my 7 year old appendix bred tends to need just a little more when he is being worked consistently.  He is at 1.5 lb of the original and maintains beautifully on that during off season. Was wondering if I could add the Senior or up his original to 2 lbs.


If you are simply looking to add some condition, there are several ways to address that. The vast majority of horses do great on one pound to one and one half pounds per day. That being the case, I would eliminate potential other issues before I went to the expense of feeding more Renew Gold. Teeth condition can be a factor in the horses ability to use the roughage part of the diet well. If your horse has not had teeth care in a while you should check that out. Next, assuming teeth are in good shape would be roughage quality. The best return on your feeding dollar is always better hay. If those two issues and parasite control are good, you can go to two pounds of Renew Gold. Some horses just need the higher rate. I am happy to sell it, but usually that is not needed unless a horse is significantly underweight and then, only until proper condition is reached.

If you want the horse to fire harder, that is a different issue, and the Senior can be your answer.

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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2019-03-16 12:26 AM (#7425053 - in reply to #7425035)
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winwillows - 2019-03-15 5:23 PM


Mrs.Stepniak - 2019-03-15 1:44 PM



FLITASTIC - 2019-03-15 11:14 AM


winwillows - 2019-03-15 9:01 AM


Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 



Exactly what I do!! Mix them! The senior alone is to much for mine when I am not competing heavy. When I am competing heavy or traveling lots of miles I do 80% senior 20% regular. Average use 50/50. When weather is bad and I'm not exercising as much 20/80. 



Thank you winwillows for commenting. My horses look incredible on the original formula. I asked because my 7 year old appendix bred tends to need just a little more when he is being worked consistently.  He is at 1.5 lb of the original and maintains beautifully on that during off season. Was wondering if I could add the Senior or up his original to 2 lbs.



If you are simply looking to add some condition, there are several ways to address that. The vast majority of horses do great on one pound to one and one half pounds per day. That being the case, I would eliminate potential other issues before I went to the expense of feeding more Renew Gold. Teeth condition can be a factor in the horses ability to use the roughage part of the diet well. If your horse has not had teeth care in a while you should check that out. Next, assuming teeth are in good shape would be roughage quality. The best return on your feeding dollar is always better hay. If those two issues and parasite control are good, you can go to two pounds of Renew Gold. Some horses just need the higher rate. I am happy to sell it, but usually that is not needed unless a horse is significantly underweight and then, only until proper condition is reached.


If you want the horse to fire harder, that is a different issue, and the Senior can be your answer.


Said it before and I'll say it again--class act Mr Win. . . . 

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Mrs.Stepniak
Reg. Oct 2015
Posted 2019-03-17 8:16 AM (#7425083 - in reply to #7425053)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets


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Chandler's Mom - 2019-03-16 12:26 AM


winwillows - 2019-03-15 5:23 PM


Mrs.Stepniak - 2019-03-15 1:44 PM



FLITASTIC - 2019-03-15 11:14 AM


winwillows - 2019-03-15 9:01 AM


Renew Gold Senior is higher in energy than original Renew Gold. It is formulated for very active Seniors, and heavy use performance horses that share a lot of the same issues that older horses have. Some horse owners have been mixing the two to split the energy difference. Most blend half and half  if they do not want the higher energy of the Senior, but more than the Original. For most horses, other than heavy campaigners, the original formula remains a great choice by itself. 



Exactly what I do!! Mix them! The senior alone is to much for mine when I am not competing heavy. When I am competing heavy or traveling lots of miles I do 80% senior 20% regular. Average use 50/50. When weather is bad and I'm not exercising as much 20/80. 



Thank you winwillows for commenting. My horses look incredible on the original formula. I asked because my 7 year old appendix bred tends to need just a little more when he is being worked consistently.  He is at 1.5 lb of the original and maintains beautifully on that during off season. Was wondering if I could add the Senior or up his original to 2 lbs.



If you are simply looking to add some condition, there are several ways to address that. The vast majority of horses do great on one pound to one and one half pounds per day. That being the case, I would eliminate potential other issues before I went to the expense of feeding more Renew Gold. Teeth condition can be a factor in the horses ability to use the roughage part of the diet well. If your horse has not had teeth care in a while you should check that out. Next, assuming teeth are in good shape would be roughage quality. The best return on your feeding dollar is always better hay. If those two issues and parasite control are good, you can go to two pounds of Renew Gold. Some horses just need the higher rate. I am happy to sell it, but usually that is not needed unless a horse is significantly underweight and then, only until proper condition is reached.


If you want the horse to fire harder, that is a different issue, and the Senior can be your answer.



Said it before and I'll say it again--class act Mr Win. . . . 


Chandler's Mom I agree! Thank you winwillows!

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-03-27 8:48 AM (#7425770 - in reply to #7424949)
Subject: RE: Extruded Renew Gold pellets



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Bumping this thread back up for someone that asked why the pellets are different.. 

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