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OutlawsLastDance
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2019-06-20 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Running a horse under a different name


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We've clearly figured out who FT is, but will anyone say who TS is? I have name in my head, but not sure it's right. Anyone want to PM me?

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Chandler's Mom
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Posted 2019-06-20 8:53 PM
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After watching the vlog, it seems like she was worried the champ may not clock due to being off for a while. I'm betting she entered under the name of her sis so that if the run went bad it wouldn't stir up rumors that bbflo wasn't clocking/was "done" or something of the sort.  Not that it validates it. Just what I am leaning toward. 



Ditto this. If the run went south, Babyflo's record was safe because it was under Neffy's name. If it went well, Neffy gets a win to her credit - which improves the value of both her and her offspring. On paper, it was a win-win either way.


Even getting called out wouldn't have hurt her much this time, because that can be (and has been) spun as a "mistake" or last minute horse change. What has stung a lot more is that this situation has given many people a platform to voice past wrongdoings.



Am I the only one who noticed that Neffy runs to the right and Baby Flo to the left? So easily provable which horse is which on that alone.


When I mentioned this to Lula Bell when this was first posted, she mentioned the left vs right too. . . 

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Chandler's Mom
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Posted 2019-06-20 8:58 PM
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OutlawsLastDance - 2019-06-20 7:25 PM


We've clearly figured out who FT is, but will anyone say who TS is? I have name in my head, but not sure it's right. Anyone want to PM me?


Apparently I have issues cause I can't find the pm button

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Posted 2019-06-20 9:09 PM
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Whinny19
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Posted 2019-06-20 10:38 PM
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After watching the vlog, it seems like she was worried the champ may not clock due to being off for a while. I'm betting she entered under the name of her sis so that if the run went bad it wouldn't stir up rumors that bbflo wasn't clocking/was "done" or something of the sort.  Not that it validates it. Just what I am leaning toward. 

Ditto this. If the run went south, Babyflo's record was safe because it was under Neffy's name. If it went well, Neffy gets a win to her credit - which improves the value of both her and her offspring. On paper, it was a win-win either way.

Even getting called out wouldn't have hurt her much this time, because that can be (and has been) spun as a "mistake" or last minute horse change. What has stung a lot more is that this situation has given many people a platform to voice past wrongdoings.

Am I the only one who noticed that Neffy runs to the right and Baby Flo to the left? So easily provable which horse is which on that alone.

No, you're not alone, lots of people pointed that out as well. Just one more thing that made the attempt sillier. Also, it didn't really matter if people knew which horse was  physically running as long as the desired results were reflected on paper. A few years from now, when someone was checking records on Equistat, who was going to remember that Neffy wasn't the horse running that day?



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Posted 2019-06-21 12:36 PM
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Whinny19 - 2019-06-20 10:38 PM



mtcanchazer - 2019-06-21 3:38 PM


Whinny19 - 2019-06-12 11:18 AM


scwebster - 2019-06-12 2:16 PM


After watching the vlog, it seems like she was worried the champ may not clock due to being off for a while. I'm betting she entered under the name of her sis so that if the run went bad it wouldn't stir up rumors that bbflo wasn't clocking/was "done" or something of the sort.  Not that it validates it. Just what I am leaning toward. 



Ditto this. If the run went south, Babyflo's record was safe because it was under Neffy's name. If it went well, Neffy gets a win to her credit - which improves the value of both her and her offspring. On paper, it was a win-win either way.


Even getting called out wouldn't have hurt her much this time, because that can be (and has been) spun as a "mistake" or last minute horse change. What has stung a lot more is that this situation has given many people a platform to voice past wrongdoings.



Am I the only one who noticed that Neffy runs to the right and Baby Flo to the left? So easily provable which horse is which on that alone.



No, you're not alone, lots of people pointed that out as well. Just one more thing that made the attempt sillier. Also, it didn't really matter if people knew which horse was  physically running as long as the desired results were reflected on paper. A few years from now, when someone was checking records on Equistat, who was going to remember that Neffy wasn't the horse running that day?


The producer of this last race, corrected the name before submitting to EquiStat she said.

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mtcanchazer
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Posted 2019-06-21 4:46 PM
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scwebster - 2019-06-12 2:16 PM


After watching the vlog, it seems like she was worried the champ may not clock due to being off for a while. I'm betting she entered under the name of her sis so that if the run went bad it wouldn't stir up rumors that bbflo wasn't clocking/was "done" or something of the sort.  Not that it validates it. Just what I am leaning toward. 



Ditto this. If the run went south, Babyflo's record was safe because it was under Neffy's name. If it went well, Neffy gets a win to her credit - which improves the value of both her and her offspring. On paper, it was a win-win either way.


Even getting called out wouldn't have hurt her much this time, because that can be (and has been) spun as a "mistake" or last minute horse change. What has stung a lot more is that this situation has given many people a platform to voice past wrongdoings.



Am I the only one who noticed that Neffy runs to the right and Baby Flo to the left? So easily provable which horse is which on that alone.



No, you're not alone, lots of people pointed that out as well. Just one more thing that made the attempt sillier. Also, it didn't really matter if people knew which horse was  physically running as long as the desired results were reflected on paper. A few years from now, when someone was checking records on Equistat, who was going to remember that Neffy wasn't the horse running that day?


There are so many posts on this thread, I must have missed it. 

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Whinny19
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Posted 2019-06-21 10:56 PM
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Oh I don't know if anyone on the thread mentioned it, but I saw it brought up quite a bit on FB and YouTube (before all the critical comments were deleted, lol).

And yes, the producer did correct the results. I was talking about what would have happened if nobody had said anything.

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kwanatha
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-06-27 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Running a horse under a different name


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streakysox - 2019-06-10 9:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  



Secondly, if my horse wins second in the 1D behind a horse that is an NFR qualifier and known tough competitor, the stats for my horse and the dollar value he's worth increases.  If my horse runs second in the 1D behind a horse who has mostly 3D stats elsewhere, maybe my horse isn't a true 1D horse either.  Not only does it affect the two horses in question and their viable statistics and credentials, but every single horse that ran behind the two horses in question.  That's a big part of the problem here as well.  A horse that ran second to (or a half second off of - or whatever) "Sister" is worth a whole heck of alot more than a horse who ran second to (or a second off of) "Sister's" sister, who ironically looks alot like the real Sister, but is usually a 3D horse.  Make sense?  This switcharoo affected the credentials of every single horse in that jackpot.  There are alot of people who take that very seriously and are making a living training and selling horses who do and should take this kind of thing very seriously.  If we were at a playday, I don't care if the horse is entered as Mickey Mouse, but at a decent sized jackpot with some really nice horses, a futurity, derby, etc....this is clearly a problem.


One of the best responses I have read in a long time 

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