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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-06-10 7:22 AM (#7430873)
Subject: Running a horse under a different name



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I stumbled upon a live story on one of my Facebook group sales pages last night about a well known certain individual running a well know little sorrel mare under a different name. Did anyone else see this story? Apparently it was at a benefit barrel race. I'm a bit confused how that can happen and especially with a horse that is so well known in the industry and they are able to get away with it. After the story was posted a lot more horror stories about the same person started coming in. Wow.. is all I've got to say. Shouldn't be really that surprising because I know there are a lot of counterfeit folks in every single sport but still. There was talk of threats being made as well at races, to this gal who came forward.. 

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scwebster
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2019-06-10 8:18 AM (#7430878 - in reply to #7430873)
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Would you mind PM'ing me the persons name. If it is who I think, I may have an explanation. 

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s_tellar
Reg. May 2019
Posted 2019-06-10 8:41 AM (#7430880 - in reply to #7430873)
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We shouldnt be surprised. Right away it will be her posting her "vlog" about snakes and how she has haters because she won the world, it happens every single time. 

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cindyt
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-06-10 8:50 AM (#7430882 - in reply to #7430873)
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It's been interesting reading.   People want to complain about Equistat and how UTD it is and how they can't get their horses stuff on there, well entering as horse 1, horse 2 and so on then there is this side, of entering one horse but running another.  if this was a subsitution for a horse, it should have been told to the producer before the run.  but from what I read, it happened twice in one week. things that make ya go....hummmmmmm 

But I did read the producer made the change and will submit correct horse to Equistat. so that is cool.   

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scwebster
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2019-06-10 8:57 AM (#7430884 - in reply to #7430882)
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cindyt - 2019-06-10 8:50 AM


It's been interesting reading.   People want to complain about Equistat and how UTD it is and how they can't get their horses stuff on there, well entering as horse 1, horse 2 and so on then there is this side, of entering one horse but running another.  if this was a subsitution for a horse, it should have been told to the producer before the run.  but from what I read, it happened twice in one week. things that make ya go....hummmmmmm 


But I did read the producer made the change and will submit correct horse to Equistat. so that is cool.   


Where can this be read?

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Mzbradford
Reg. Jun 2015
Posted 2019-06-10 9:31 AM (#7430891 - in reply to #7430884)
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It was posted on facebook.

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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2019-06-10 9:39 AM (#7430892 - in reply to #7430873)
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Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  

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s_tellar
Reg. May 2019
Posted 2019-06-10 9:43 AM (#7430893 - in reply to #7430892)
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streakysox - 2019-06-10 9:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  


Because when it is submitted to equistat those earnings would be under the wrong horse, which in turn can up the value of the horse when sold. 

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3canstorun
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2019-06-10 9:43 AM (#7430894 - in reply to #7430892)
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streakysox - 2019-06-10 10:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  


Are you living in outer space? 

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geronabean
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2019-06-10 9:45 AM (#7430896 - in reply to #7430892)
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streakysox - 2019-06-10 10:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  


Because if you are KNOWINGLY selling a 3D horse AS a 1D horse with false 1D results there is a little fraud going on. Pretty sure the buyer would care.

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-06-10 10:18 AM (#7430900 - in reply to #7430873)
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Some people are like this so they can take other people's hard earn money without blinking a eye by cheating on something like this when they are in the business of selling, but they cry when caught and say they didnt do this on purpose just a honest mistake.. YEA RIGHT!!!! How long have you been in this business?!!And how many times have you been busted on cheats? HUMMMM

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scwebster
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2019-06-10 10:41 AM (#7430903 - in reply to #7430873)
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I am not trying to play the devil's advocate because there has been a many of questionable thing go on with this person, but she does have some colts right now that I have mistaken for the champ. I have never mistaken one as the sister though. I hope that all is resolved and the right thing happens, whatever the case. 



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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2019-06-10 10:45 AM (#7430904 - in reply to #7430894)
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3canstorun - 2019-06-10 9:43 AM


streakysox - 2019-06-10 10:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  




Are you living in outer space? 


I’m from the planet where I see people showing videos where they have won the 1D multiple times at races where there are 30 horses. Probably 3D at best at really big shows. I would certainly think you could probably tell by the horse in a video if it was the same horse and if the horse was actually a 1D horse.  I see a lot of videos that you can certainly tell the horse isn’t 1D.  Guess I am from the planet called BE EDUCATED

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-06-10 11:07 AM (#7430906 - in reply to #7430892)
Subject: RE: Running a horse under a different name



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streakysox - 2019-06-10 9:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  


When it's an extremely popular and well know horse and rider trying to cheat the system, people are going to notice and say something. Nothing was changed or corrected by the person after it came to everyone's attention and nothing was said when the check was picked up. Its shady as heck. And now reading more and more bad dealings with this person are coming forward. Shes a fraud, not like I had a ton of it for her anyway but shes now lost more peoples respect. Money and stats got the best of her. Too bad. I understand it happens but when your name and that horse are in the spotlight you dont exactly fly under the radar...

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2019-06-10 11:17 AM (#7430907 - in reply to #7430884)
Subject: RE: Running a horse under a different name



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scwebster - 2019-06-10 8:57 AM


cindyt - 2019-06-10 8:50 AM


It's been interesting reading.   People want to complain about Equistat and how UTD it is and how they can't get their horses stuff on there, well entering as horse 1, horse 2 and so on then there is this side, of entering one horse but running another.  if this was a subsitution for a horse, it should have been told to the producer before the run.  but from what I read, it happened twice in one week. things that make ya go....hummmmmmm 


But I did read the producer made the change and will submit correct horse to Equistat. so that is cool.   



Where can this be read?


Yes, the producer submitted the correct horse to equistat .... and from what I've read, she didnt say anything about that .. she got busted plain and simple. I dont follow her on an social media anymore, haven't for a while, but someone also said there was something amiss with one of the jumpers she was involved with as well. And she was on social media claiming she had haters trying to tear her down. The video I watched the gal straight up said this wasnt an opportunity to bash her or her program, she just wanted justice for everyone at that BENEFIT barrel race because no matter who it is, it's not fair to anyone and she wanted to try to make it right. She said she has some super nice up and comers and she wished her well but this was taking it to far. 

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della
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2019-06-10 11:19 AM (#7430909 - in reply to #7430892)
Subject: RE: Running a horse under a different name



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streakysox - 2019-06-10 8:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  


So your totaly cool with a NFR mare being ran with a 4D mares name? 

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-06-10 12:56 PM (#7430914 - in reply to #7430909)
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della - 2019-06-10 10:19 AM


streakysox - 2019-06-10 8:39 AM


Why would anyone care what name a person ran a horse under?  I don’t see where it is a big issue. I have a hard enough time tending to my own business at a barrel race much less checking to see what horse a person is running. I would think a producer has enough to do without going back and changing names to be reported to equbase too. I had a horse accidentally listed with the wrong name (right words wrong order) at a large barrel race. I contacted the office and never did get the name corrected.  



So your totaly cool with a NFR mare being ran with a 4D mares name? 


Let’s not forget that embryo’s are being pulled out of said lower D mare. A baby out of a “1D” mare can be priced a lot higher than a 3D mare.

I can see all sorts of reasons why you would want a mare to look better on paper than what she truly is. It’s all about $$$. It always have been, and always will be when it comes to F.

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2019-06-10 12:58 PM (#7430915 - in reply to #7430873)
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I did find it highly amusing that TS was questioning the morals of marketing horses unscrupulously. Pot...meet kettle.

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s_tellar
Reg. May 2019
Posted 2019-06-10 1:03 PM (#7430918 - in reply to #7430915)
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SKM - 2019-06-10 12:58 PM


I did find it highly amusing that TS was questioning the morals of marketing horses unscrupulously. Pot...meet kettle.


 I posted the same sort of resonce on a friends post about it on fb and her responce back to me was so classless. Cant ever argue against her she will cut you down both sides. 

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FloridaPriss
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2019-06-10 1:19 PM (#7430925 - in reply to #7430918)
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I saw TS post on a fb page she is an admin on. I just did a quick google search and wow she had no room to say anything about anyone.



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