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Two Nickels
Reg. Mar 2019
Posted 2020-01-13 12:13 PM
Subject: Renew Gold vs ulcers



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I am leaning towards either Strategy Healthy Edge or Renew Gold after finding out my dealer is no longer going to carry Bluebonnet.  That being said, I am seeing several posts/comments on various pages stating the Renew Gold was a bad fit for their ulcery horses - making them hotter, more prone, etc. I've also seen folks say it took the "hot" out of their fire breathing dragons and actually helped with ulcers.  Obviously there's going to be folks on both sides of the fence, but just curious how Renew Gold effected your ulcer prone/high-strung/nervous horses??  

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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2020-01-13 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Renew Gold vs ulcers


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Well, you know what I will say, but here goes. Total NSC of Renew Gold is about 17%. Of that,10% is starch, 6.8% sugars. A one pound feeding provides 77 grams per day of total NSC to the diet. If your horse has a total diet per day of 20 pounds including all roughage, hay or pasture, the total grams for the entire diet will be 9080 grams, Considering grass hays average 13% NSC, and alfalfa averages 11% NSC lets take 12% between the two. 12% of 9080 is just under 1100 grams of NSC in the diet every day of which RG contributes 77 grams. If you feed the 4 pounds of grain based feed that RG typically replaces, and feed an ultra low energy and low 10% NSC feed, that feed will contribute 181 grams of NSC to the diet. So while it looks like a low NSC contribution, it is  2 1/2 times the NSC that Renew Gold has contributed. In addition RG has much less impact on the  hind gut and that helps avoid hind gut acidosis leading to hind gut ulcers. 

Next to consider is the Coconut in Renew Gold. While it is digested high in the system, it has a profound effect on gastric ulcers by being anti bacterial. Once a ulcer starts, bacterial infection in that ulcer is what keeps it going. Reducing that bacterial infection impact can allow better healing of the ulcer once the management of the horse improves to allow them to be ulcer free. We do not want a anti bacterial effect in the hind gut, we want the beneficial bacteria that live there to thrive. RG is formulated to use the anti bacterial ingredient where it is a benefit and then completely digest it before it reaches the hind gut. This is a completely different approch from any other feed replacement product on the market, and works because that is how the horses system works. 

As to making a horse hot. This only occures if RG is added to a significant grain ration. If this does happen it is because the RG improves nutrient uptake of the entire digestive system  and the grain is more completely digested causing elevated blood sugar levels (from the grain) that the horse was not capturing before. Should this happen, just greatly reduce or eliminate the grain, not the RG.

Hope this helps, Win

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want2chase3
Reg. May 2009
Posted 2020-01-13 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Renew Gold vs ulcers



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Two Nickels - 2020-01-13 12:13 PM


I am leaning towards either Strategy Healthy Edge or Renew Gold after finding out my dealer is no longer going to carry Bluebonnet.  That being said, I am seeing several posts/comments on various pages stating the Renew Gold was a bad fit for their ulcery horses - making them hotter, more prone, etc. I've also seen folks say it took the "hot" out of their fire breathing dragons and actually helped with ulcers.  Obviously there's going to be folks on both sides of the fence, but just curious how Renew Gold effected your ulcer prone/high-strung/nervous horses??  


I'm sure you know you can still get bluebonnet from chewy.com (depending on which feed you used) they ship fast and free over $49  

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-01-13 2:43 PM
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want2chase3 - 2020-01-13 12:51 PM

Two Nickels - 2020-01-13 12:13 PM

I am leaning towards either Strategy Healthy Edge or Renew Gold after finding out my dealer is no longer going to carry Bluebonnet.  That being said, I am seeing several posts/comments on various pages stating the Renew Gold was a bad fit for their ulcery horses - making them hotter, more prone, etc. I've also seen folks say it took the "hot" out of their fire breathing dragons and actually helped with ulcers.  Obviously there's going to be folks on both sides of the fence, but just curious how Renew Gold effected your ulcer prone/high-strung/nervous horses??  

I'm sure you know you can still get bluebonnet from chewy.com (depending on which feed you used) they ship fast and free over $49  

I bought Triple Crown off of Chewy.com a few times and that was always so fresh feed, I was really impressed with it. My gelding has passed and no longer need it now, I bought the TC sr. for him since I was having a hard time finding it so tryed Chewy.com.. It was always here within two days after ordering.. I'm a BlueBonnet fan but the Triple Crown Sr. worked for my Sr. gelding at the time.. I buy other items from them and always super impressed with their fast service and easy to talk to if needed.  

Edited to say: It was NOT Triple Crown that I got from Chewy.com it was Tribute for my Sr gelding, befor I went to Triple Crown for him, I got to thinking that getting Triple Crown didnt seem right so went back to look and it was Tribute, but that was the most fresh feed I have ever gotton from any body, really liked it but it got kinda expensive so went to TC and used this feed till my gelding passed..

Sorry for the mix up

But if you like Bluebonnet I would try to find another dealer so you can keep using it.



Edited by Southtxponygirl 2020-01-13 3:05 PM
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2020-01-13 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: Renew Gold vs ulcers


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Go to Bluebonnets website and go to the store locator maybe you can find someone else in your area that might carry your Bluebonnet feed that you are useing now. Are you could call the mill {BB} and ask them. 



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euchee
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2020-01-13 5:13 PM
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I don't understand most of all the things to cosidder but I just got a mare that I highly suspect has ulcers.  I am going to go with the purina ultium gx, super sport supplement & outlast suplement,  we shall see 

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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2020-01-14 1:37 PM
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euchee - 2020-01-13 5:13 PM


I don't understand most of all the things to cosidder but I just got a mare that I highly suspect has ulcers.  I am going to go with the purina ultium gx, super sport supplement & outlast suplement,  we shall see 


I have great results using Renew Gold and Purina Outlast.  I add the Super Sport when I start to ride more in the spring.  I treated with several months of Omeprazole before starting the Purina Outlast.

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Mainer-racer
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2020-01-15 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: Renew Gold vs ulcers



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My horse was dx with 1 grade 4 and 2 grade 3 ulcers, plus severe alergies which required medication. I was feeding Purina Ultium.  We treated him for 30 days with ulcer meds and addtional medications because the alergies got more severe with the stress. I changed him immediately to RG. That was over 5 years ago. No allergies, no ulcers and certainly didn't make all 5 of my horses hotter. I had a 34 31, 27, 17, and 7 year old on it. The 7 year old has been on it since she was 2 when she started training. That is my experience with RG. No other feed for my horses, it just works in our program here.

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