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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2020-09-14 9:36 AM
Subject: Tell me about your horse with neck issues



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Vet and I are trying to figure out why my 9-year-old trips so much over his front feet. I've owned him since he was 6 months old and he has always been one of those horses that stumbles over his front feet  (lazy, drags his feet) but it has seemed worse this year. And he stumbled badly on the first barrel on two different barrel runs recently, and stumbled badly at the end of a pole run when coming to a stop, so I needed to investigate.

When he was 4, he had a minor tendon injury to the right front which never caused him any problems but we caught it early on a "routine" lameness eval. Since then, he has always flexed slightly off on that foot, even though it completely resolved. At least ...... that is what we have assumed. Last week, we decided to nerve block (since it's been several years) and make sure that's what was bothering him and causing the tripping and it WASN'T! (Much to both of our surprise.) I'm not technical but we did 3 blocks and it made no improvement whatsoever on his way of going on the right front. So it's higher up somewhere.

Vet really didn't think it was his knee or shoulder, so we chose not to block or x-ray the knee, and I know she did a neurological exam (she was crossing his front legs over to see what he did). She suspected his neck. He has always been a stiffer-type horse his entire life so that didn't present any red flags for me, but she felt he was a lot less flexible to the right. We did x-rays and she could see some mild changes at C5/C6.

She's also going to send them off for second opinions. So she did a shockwave treatment for him that day. (5 days ago) to hopefully help with mobility. I have already had him checked by a chiro this year, but I know it will be more important going forward and may need to do it more often for him. He's also already had some PEMF treatments this year. Already on Adequan.

Neck issues are a new territory for me, so just curious to hear other's stories of what neck problems your barrel horse has and what you do to help them the best you can.

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-09-14 4:29 PM
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What was his responce to the neuro exam?

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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2020-09-14 4:53 PM
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jake16 - 2020-09-14 4:29 PM


What was his responce to the neuro exam?


Normal. No issues there.

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-09-14 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Tell me about your horse with neck issues


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More questions,thats all i got lol.Did you xray feet?for navicular,did you check angles?does he only do it while riding?EPM?i know you said he has done it most all his life,but seems to be getting worse?



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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2020-09-14 11:10 PM
Subject: RE: Tell me about your horse with neck issues



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jake16 - 2020-09-14 6:29 PM


More questions,thats all i got lol.Did you xray feet?for navicular,did you check angles?does he only do it while riding?EPM?i know you said he has done it most all his life,but seems to be getting worse?


Did not x-ray feet at this recent visit because the block did not help his way of going at all. Did x-rays back when he was 4, for a different issues that is now resolved. He has great feet and good angles. Good strong bone in his legs and wears a size 2 shoe (big feet!!).

I've never had the luxury of being able to watch him out in the pasture because I've always boarded. Of course, they tear around from time to time - have never seen him trip or go down in the pasture ever.

I did not specifically ask her but vet never mentioned she was worried about EPM. Yes he has always been a stumbly horse but I do think it is a bit worse this year, than prior.

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2020-09-15 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: Tell me about your horse with neck issues



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We have a gelding that got extremely sore in his SI. Vet xrayed the neck. He had fractures in C4 and C5. She injected via ultrasound. He gets injected roughly every 15 months. She could see the fractures on the xray, but she couldn't tell what side they were on. With the ultrasound, she could see they were on his left side.  She called them jackhammer fractures. At some point, he was tied around pretty tight and he must have flipped. He landed with his neck bent and it fractured the wings on the vertebrae. She said with staying on top of injecting him, we should be fine because he didn't have any arthritis developing yet. Ingore it and he'd have wobblers eventually. I think neck injuries are more commin than people realize. I honestly believe most neck injuries are blamed on EPM.

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-09-15 10:10 AM
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I didnt mean to sway toward EPM,was just throwing a few different things out there,good luck on the diagnosis,i wish you and your horse well,keep us posted

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simplytaylor16
Reg. Jul 2019
Posted 2020-09-15 10:38 AM
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I know some people don't go this deep into it, and if you don't that's fine but don't come at me if you don't agree/believe in this. I would have a chiropractor/body worker that really knows the fascial lines work on him. Maybe it is different around you, but around me only the chiro I currently use has mentioned the fascial lines to me. In your situation of course it is sounding like the front limb protraction line or front limb retraction line which would make sense why he is having front limb and neck issues. I think a lot of front limb/neck stretching and possibly even some poll relief would help. 

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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2020-09-15 11:32 AM
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simplytaylor16 - 2020-09-15 10:38 AM


I know some people don't go this deep into it, and if you don't that's fine but don't come at me if you don't agree/believe in this. I would have a chiropractor/body worker that really knows the fascial lines work on him. Maybe it is different around you, but around me only the chiro I currently use has mentioned the fascial lines to me. In your situation of course it is sounding like the front limb protraction line or front limb retraction line which would make sense why he is having front limb and neck issues. I think a lot of front limb/neck stretching and possibly even some poll relief would help. 


If you read my original post, he already has gotten regular chiropractic work in the past, and will continue to get it even more frequently now going forward.

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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2020-09-15 11:34 AM
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SKM - 2020-09-15 6:03 AM


We have a gelding that got extremely sore in his SI. Vet xrayed the neck. He had fractures in C4 and C5. She injected via ultrasound. He gets injected roughly every 15 months. She could see the fractures on the xray, but she couldn't tell what side they were on. With the ultrasound, she could see they were on his left side.  She called them jackhammer fractures. At some point, he was tied around pretty tight and he must have flipped. He landed with his neck bent and it fractured the wings on the vertebrae. She said with staying on top of injecting him, we should be fine because he didn't have any arthritis developing yet. Ingore it and he'd have wobblers eventually. I think neck injuries are more commin than people realize. I honestly believe most neck injuries are blamed on EPM.


Good to know. Of course, vet offered injections but she wanted to wait to have some of her colleagues give a second opinion on the rads. I'm thinking we will eventually end up going that route in the future, most likely.

 

I've owned him since he was 6 months old and he has never had a traumatic injury or accident. Only pulled back a couple of times in his entire life and things broke free as they were intended so I hope no damage from that (one was when someone thought it was a good idea to land their parachute in the middle of a horse show .... seriously? Can't blame him for freaking out about that.)

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simplytaylor16
Reg. Jul 2019
Posted 2020-09-15 11:51 AM
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r_beau - 2020-09-15 12:32 PM


simplytaylor16 - 2020-09-15 10:38 AM


I know some people don't go this deep into it, and if you don't that's fine but don't come at me if you don't agree/believe in this. I would have a chiropractor/body worker that really knows the fascial lines work on him. Maybe it is different around you, but around me only the chiro I currently use has mentioned the fascial lines to me. In your situation of course it is sounding like the front limb protraction line or front limb retraction line which would make sense why he is having front limb and neck issues. I think a lot of front limb/neck stretching and possibly even some poll relief would help. 



If you read my original post, he already has gotten regular chiropractic work in the past, and will continue to get it even more frequently now going forward.


I did, but I wasn't sure if yours focused on the fiscial lines as well. Only the one I use now has even mentioned them and explained them to me. :)

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2020-09-15 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Tell me about your horse with neck issues



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I lost a horse to injury related wobblers. It was a really tough lesson. At the time, I had one vet tell me I was imaging things. I know exactly when his wreck was that caused his injury. But not knowing what I know now, it progressed into wobblers. Took about 7 years from the injury until we had to destroy him. I assumed EPM. Even put him on the EPM meds and they did help for awhile. There's nothing worse than losing one to a neurological issue. 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-09-18 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Tell me about your horse with neck issues


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Just checking to see if your boy is doing ok.

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