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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-10-18 8:05 AM
Subject: bone chip behind the knee


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Anyone had this? if so is your horse sound and what do you do?

 

My horse has this but it is attached and vet thinks the ligament is what is sore or damaged but cant tell for sure without MRI and I cant afford that. 

did yours have ligament trouble?

thanks

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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2020-10-18 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: bone chip behind the knee



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How old is the horse? When it comes to knees, age is not in your favor. Rarely does one come back even 90% from knee surgery after the age of 4. If you can't affird an MRI, I'd turn the horse out until you can. Maintaining a crippled horse costs more than the original diagnostic in the long run. 

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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-10-18 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: bone chip behind the knee


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I've dealt with bone chips but never behind the knee. and bone chips isnt always a big deal.  thanks!  I dont mind the bone chip just wish it was elsewhere. 

 

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2020-10-18 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: bone chip behind the knee



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Do you know how it happened?  what made yall x ray the knee in the first place?

 

One of mine had a bad anesthesia recovery and she nut cracker fractured her knee. It ruined her career and her knee. she had multiple chips and also tore god knows how many intercarpal ligaments. her knee is grapefruit sized now with a ton of arthritis.  That's an extreme example.  I know CT was an option to map out the fractures on her knee and CT is cheaper than an MRI... but since anesthesia is what caused her issue I didnt want to anesthetize her again so I let it go and retired her.  

 

 

Depending on the age of the horse, how sound he is now, if hes competing now with no issue, etc... I would be hesitant to remove it unless its causing him problems.  If theres enough lameness that yall are worried theres soft tissue damage in the knee, idk.. i would maybe bite the bullet and spend the money to find out. I mean your options are either inject the knee- steroids, IRAP, prostride, etc.. or scope the knee, or get off I guess. What did your vet suggest?

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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-10-18 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: bone chip behind the knee


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This is the horse that I been posting update on kissing spine surgery. 

He is 11-12 years old.  There is 1 chip that is attached behind the knee the vet said that bc where it was located that surgery not advised but Mri would show how much damage. 

I wouldnt do surgery anyways so no sense on MRI  we did inject the upper joint in the knee with the chip.  He is really sore when you bend it like cleaning feet ou to the point he wont hold his weight for very long  he leans way back.  but he walks normal and I dont know bout faster than a walk bc he still recovering from the kissing spine surgery.

I know he did this during the surgery I dont know for sure if it was the lifting or the waking up but on his other surgery he had 2 years ago he just laid down and woke up like he was just laying out in pasture no thrashing and you didnt have to push him to his side as he was going down.  I got to watch his first surgery.  The kissing spine surgery they said it went really smooth even him waking up.  so Im thinking that when they lifted him up.  but Im sure we will never know for sure.

 

 

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lms9421
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2020-10-18 5:38 PM
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I had a mare who hyper extended her knee and had a few small chips on the back of her knee. Had surgery surgery to remove the chips, gave her a few years off to heal and now she's back running with no issues. 

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2020-10-18 6:46 PM
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Turnburnsis - 2020-10-18 12:02 PM


This is the horse that I been posting update on kissing spine surgery. 


He is 11-12 years old.  There is 1 chip that is attached behind the knee the vet said that bc where it was located that surgery not advised but Mri would show how much damage. 


I wouldnt do surgery anyways so no sense on MRI  we did inject the upper joint in the knee with the chip.  He is really sore when you bend it like cleaning feet ou to the point he wont hold his weight for very long  he leans way back.  but he walks normal and I dont know bout faster than a walk bc he still recovering from the kissing spine surgery.


I know he did this during the surgery I dont know for sure if it was the lifting or the waking up but on his other surgery he had 2 years ago he just laid down and woke up like he was just laying out in pasture no thrashing and you didnt have to push him to his side as he was going down.  I got to watch his first surgery.  The kissing spine surgery they said it went really smooth even him waking up.  so Im thinking that when they lifted him up.  but Im sure we will never know for sure.


 


 


  I dont have any suggestions,but i cant even imagine how devistating it is to put the money and hard work out there with him,only to have this show up.

  I just want to say ,i think you have done a really good job,and been very pro active in his recovery.How much would a CT SCAN cost?

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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-10-19 6:24 AM
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Turnburnsis - 2020-10-18 12:02 PM


This is the horse that I been posting update on kissing spine surgery. 


He is 11-12 years old.  There is 1 chip that is attached behind the knee the vet said that bc where it was located that surgery not advised but Mri would show how much damage. 


I wouldnt do surgery anyways so no sense on MRI  we did inject the upper joint in the knee with the chip.  He is really sore when you bend it like cleaning feet ou to the point he wont hold his weight for very long  he leans way back.  but he walks normal and I dont know bout faster than a walk bc he still recovering from the kissing spine surgery.


I know he did this during the surgery I dont know for sure if it was the lifting or the waking up but on his other surgery he had 2 years ago he just laid down and woke up like he was just laying out in pasture no thrashing and you didnt have to push him to his side as he was going down.  I got to watch his first surgery.  The kissing spine surgery they said it went really smooth even him waking up.  so Im thinking that when they lifted him up.  but Im sure we will never know for sure.


 


 



  I dont have any suggestions,but i cant even imagine how devistating it is to put the money and hard work out there with him,only to have this show up.


  I just want to say ,i think you have done a really good job,and been very pro active in his recovery.How much would a CT SCAN cost?


THANK YOU VERY MUCH! It is very frustrating....but its just not this horse that I am so frustrated!  I just retired my other bc vets cant figure out what is wrong and he has been to some really well known vets.

and this one I had 6 mths before I bought him and then all this stuff started happening.  If you knew my story you would think I'm the craziest person out there!  I think I am!  If I was looking from the outside I would say when you gonna quit??? when is enough!!! Why is it that even tho some have problems but they are able to continue on but you cant even ride them!... and oh how I have learned it doesnt matter how much money you have sometimes you just cant fix it no matter what! I have and am working 2-3 jobs to make things happen and it just doesnt matter. Sometimes you can try too hard I guess and I am done trying to make things happen! It just seems like I cant keep one sound no matter what and believe me when I started having problems with horses before these 2 I started to think Im missing something so I started studying rehab, and exercises for horses, and feed and and and lol and none of it has made a difference.  I wont say I havent learned anything bc I have learned a ton!

Ive also watched alot of great horses that never got to their potential either and crazy things happens and really sad things happen too.  Really I cant be crying and whining that I cant get it to work! at least I am given the opportunity to try. 

I told the vet that really doesnt matter if I do the MRI bc I am not doing any surgery or anything besides what I can do at home and injecting knee. and to be honest I was relieved that she said that surgery not really in the works for him bc of where it is located so that I didnt have to make that decision or wonder should I have or not!  they made it that decision not me lol  bc I would feel horrible if surgery would fix him and I dont do.  but how many surgeries can one horse have! lol  tho the first one was a tendon sheath infection and the 2nd one was an bone chip around the ankle and now the kissing spine.  I will tell ya tho I am glad my horses are happy and I can just turn them out and not worry bout finding them another home! or that someone would mistreat them! or they end up at sale barn.  I've always had to do something with them and not keep them.  and I dont judge anyone that has to do whatever.  I do hate and I do see it happening around me that some people just dont take the time to figure out whats wrong or they know whats wrong and they pawn them off to someone else.  (that did not happen with my 2, the first one I raised and the 2nd one I got from my bestie and they had no clue he had kissing spine or bone chip and niether did the 1st owner I am his 3rd and last owner lol)

Dually is not done.  I have a renewed mindset today. and last night when I cleaned his feet out he could hold himself! so the injection is working! and I will do his feet in a couple days! I am hoping it just got so inflamed from surgery and actually he has to heal from the back ligament so he can heal from the leg ligament if damage at the same time.  The great thing bout this is that its now and he has to heal from the back anyways. 

I was just curious bout the bone chip in back of knee and I talked to my friend last night that has rehab alot of jumpers and hunters to see if she dealt with it and she said no they have all been in the fronts. but she going to ask around. 

I'm going to let the horse tell me what he can do. No matter the outcome I will keep on learning! and I will appreciate every minute I get to spend time with the horses no matter what the circumstances is.  and if something happens I cant run Dually and have to retire I know I will try again on another!  My husband told me that he said that was fine but to remember our place not big enough for 15 or so horses!  I just got 2 so I got a few more I can try before I get to 15! lol  he will probably regret he said that he just threw out that number!!! 

I'm sure he not the only one with the chip behind the knee and I was just wondering if not as bad as I think it is.

By the way there is worse things to be upset about than not getting to run or ride! I just have weak moments! lol

Thank you all for commenting!!!!

I know that God can heal and I will keep praying that he does heal Dually and my other one! Praying for all horses and people too!!!

God Bless!!!

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2020-10-22 2:33 PM
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Turnburnsis - 2020-10-18 11:02 AM

This is the horse that I been posting update on kissing spine surgery. 

He is 11-12 years old.  There is 1 chip that is attached behind the knee the vet said that bc where it was located that surgery not advised but Mri would show how much damage. 

I wouldnt do surgery anyways so no sense on MRI  we did inject the upper joint in the knee with the chip.  He is really sore when you bend it like cleaning feet ou to the point he wont hold his weight for very long  he leans way back.  but he walks normal and I dont know bout faster than a walk bc he still recovering from the kissing spine surgery.

I know he did this during the surgery I dont know for sure if it was the lifting or the waking up but on his other surgery he had 2 years ago he just laid down and woke up like he was just laying out in pasture no thrashing and you didnt have to push him to his side as he was going down.  I got to watch his first surgery.  The kissing spine surgery they said it went really smooth even him waking up.  so Im thinking that when they lifted him up.  but Im sure we will never know for sure.

 

 

That makes sense.  They call those nut cracker fractures when they fracture on the back of the knee, usually happens when they hyper flex the knee.  Mine happened recovering from anesthesia too.  Even with a relatively drama free anesthesia recovery, one stumble when they land on a flexed knee can do it. 

 

The technical term is called palmar carpal fractures because they happen on the palmar aspect of the joint.  If you are going to do conserative joint therapy I would consider putting Noltrex in the joint and prostride. It's expensive but less expensive than surgery and maybe can help take down the pain and slow down the arthritis thatll come with the injury over time. 



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Turnburnsis
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2020-10-22 3:19 PM
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ThNk you sooo much!  It doesn't sound like there much hope for him on competing. He was once a calf horse maybe he can be a breakaway horse ??‍?? Even if he heals from the knee maybe I shouldn't run barrels bc it's there? Guess time will tell. 
thansk everyone!

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2020-10-23 2:26 PM
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Time will tell.  Just see what you have when all of the acute inflammation is over. It may be career ending, may not. 

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