I love researching and I know there has got to be a number of local studs/mares that don't get the marketing these big names do. And as there are getting to be more and more high dollar incentives it is starting to price the little guy out of prospects. Winter gives me time to google, research and just look around to what else is out there. Feel free to share pics/pedigrees so I do more reseach!
I have always ran “off” bred horses. Until the passing of out stallion we bred, raised, trained our own horses. We owned his father, he was an own son of Quick Henry. We crossed him on a AAA daughter of The Ole Man that we had and got our stud that we lost 5 yrs ago. Both of the studs were very competitive and produced good babies, I’m down to one gelding left from this line of studs and he’s out of a 1d grand daughter of Nonstop Jet. I’ve had a couple other Nonstop Jet bred horses that did well. Bouncy Brown Cadillac sired another one of my horses that’s gone on to do well with his current owner. I currently have 2 3yos by a cow bred stud named Peppers My Friend. Both are doing well in their training and from a limited crop of running age babies they are doing well locally. I have a yearling by Laicos Ladiesman (he’s producing winners, he’s just overlooked in my opinion) that I’m super excited about, can’t wait for him to be old enough to ride.
Classic Stone- an own son of Sticks An Stones. His foals are only eligible for the Triple Crown 100
Mine is crossed on a OTMR/Special Effort mare.
My Zan has the whopping 6 babies on the ground. One son is a 2D horse here in VA, one son is a natural horsemanship horse in PA, one is/was in FL learning just about everything and doing well at it all, two I don't have any contact with, and the redheaded Demon is getting ready to debut in NC. Demon has had a DTF move since she was walking the pattern and has only gotten better with speed added. Can't wait to see just what she accomplishes. Zan throws a very correct conformation, size, bone, natural athleticism and overall beauty. The speed of the dam seems to pass to the offspring so I'm only breeding him to fast mares. This year he will get to cover Xena, the rocket mare.
barrelchasinmonki - 2021-01-14 11:32 AM
Funny story. My mom goes to a sale looking for a barrel horse prospect. She sees Quick Henry at this sale. He had just come off the track and she thought he was the prettest thing she had ever seen in her life. She hadn't heard of him or what he had done on the track. Her budget was $4000, which was a huge amount for a prospect back then. She got to make the first bid on him and then proceeded to see him sell for something like 60K. Momma had good taste. She ended up buying a son of Red Hot Bars that made a jam up barrel horse.
Kindaclassy...cool story. We had several babies off our own son of Quick Henry, that’s what I grew up on. Loved that line, sad I on,y have the 1 left, now I have to find a new line I like
What is Zan's pedigree is he on allbreed?
1.Bouncy Beggar Boy is a full brother to Radio's dam. He has several colts that barrel race. He stands in E. Texas. Throws big correct foals with good bone. 2. Judge Knot also in Texas. He is building his resume!with his breeder on his back. I think he's up and coming for sure. 3. Own son of Dinero standing in Ruston, Louisiana. 4. Dashing Chester is local. He was a fabulous barrel horse before his breeding career.
I have a 3 year old grandson of Frenchman's Mark. I think he's going to be awesome. His site stands in S. Louisiana.
CarrieH77 - 2021-01-14 4:18 PM
Yes, Zans Winning Deck. I'm not advertising him as I only live cover here at home.
None of mine are "brand" names but they are the old school breeding, you know, the names so far back you aren't supposed to give them credit lol
The horse I have been running the last 4 years is the rock solid jem that dreams are made of. We don't set arena records but we make the same fun rock solid runs everytime! Hes a bunch of Hancock and some Sugar Bars on the top side, and Tiny Charger, Miss Meyers on the bottom.
I have several siblings to him that I am going to start hauling this year and one of them has a full sibling that missed qualifying for the American in the first year of the buybacks (2018) by 4/100ths. so never count the ole school stuff out
My horse Hemi, his papered name is Cheif Tiny Sugar
I can grab a video if you want to see him
HI...so I'm not sure these would be considered "off bred" horses since in the past they were known for being tough competitors but I spent the last 30 + years breeding line bred Sugar bar horses. I had a daughter of Sugar Bull that could outrun almost anything. I owned an own son of Sugar Bars who had produced a Barrel futurity finalist and some other winner and world champion rope headers and healers, winners in reining...this was a small breeding program, not producing many foals and most did not have opportunities to really compete. I lived in a somewhat remote part of California where it was difficult to get to competitions and had a demanding job that cut into time to ride. As many of you know, Sugar Bars was the sire of Flit Bar, Sugar Bull and many others who produced winning barrel horses.. I had scrounged around the country, buying and leasing Sugar Bar grandaughters or those who had multiple crosses to him to breed back and kept 3 sons and a grandson of this horse to cary on the bloodline. I probably had the highest concentration of this blood in the country. A few years ago a friend and I took a filly to a big futurity in Oklahoma and were somewhere in the middle of 400+ of the best horses and riders in the country...We were behind in getting her ready and myfriend who rode her had only ridden in local gymkanas. . A couple years ago I sold a filly to a 15 year old who broke the filly herself and started running her about a year ago. She has rarely been out of the money, and about 6 weeks ago won 1st in the 1D against 83 horses. Some of the girls she competed against were pretty well mounted on Frenchman's bred horses and other current big names....I stopped breeding a couple years ago and passed the torch to a friend in El Centro, California who is building a rehab and training center,, giving her most of my original breeding stock, and 3 youngsters to start...If this is considered "off bred" then I guess it's a testimony to paying attention to what makes the horses what they are and looking into genetics....
I am not running mine yet because she's 4 and I haven't really started her on barrels yet but I suppose she's off brand as far as barrels. She's all cow bred Greys starlight, smart chic olena, Reminic and doc olena. Bred and started as a reiner, her sire roped both ends and she has some close relations that are nice barrel horses. It will be fun to see how she turns out. But I like her mind a lot and having little people around that means a lot to me.
Cahuillaverde - 2021-01-16 11:54 PM
We stood One Sugar Bar, an own son of Sugar Bars. Also a very small breeding program in Western Ky. He used to be on the top 10 list of all time point earning barrel and pole horses and sired MANY honor roll horses and a couple of AQHA World Champion barrel and pole horses.. (Back when AQHA points used to matter). The 2012 Teen NBHA Champion Barrel horse Coming Up Lucky was out of my stock (He was a Great Grandson of sugar bars on top and was a grandson of Magnollia Bars on the bottom- With Otoe on the bottom side of the dam). THATS some old school barrel turning breeding. I''ve rode the sugar bars horses all my life. Its been a big adjustment to the mind and temperment of newer lines. We were WELL aware of your breeding program and of the one in the Dakotas that had concentrated Sugar Bars bloodlines as well.
one of my geldings who will be 25 this year and still has more energy then most other horses and runs almsot every weekend is McCue bred. He isnt the fastest horse around but he is the most consistent horse i know and *knock on wood* has only been lame for about a day in his entire life with no other issues including feet. All that are on his papers are are just old foundation lines. He has been hauled everywhere and done everything with and just is a great horse.
My coming 3 year old on the other side is all running bred but her sire is one I dont see often besides occasionally but he has put such a great mind on her. I would love to have others by him. His name is Cartels Feature.
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