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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts.
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Location: Oklahoma | Probably needs to go to the vet. When a horse doesn't want to take a lead or crossfires or switches in the turn or coming out of the turn, they're usually sore. That's probably also why she's rough. |
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| dianeguinn - 2013-09-20 8:05 PM
Probably needs to go to the vet. When a horse doesn't want to take a lead or crossfires or switches in the turn or coming out of the turn, they're usually sore. That's probably also why she's rough.
She's always been rough and I have had the chiro out for her multiple times. I was wondering if possibly switching barrels would help this since she goes right better, but I haven't done that yet. She's just always had a rough trot, the lope walk ect is all smooth but the trot is just horrid.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 8:07 PM dianeguinn - 2013-09-20 8:05 PM Probably needs to go to the vet. When a horse doesn't want to take a lead or crossfires or switches in the turn or coming out of the turn, they're usually sore. That's probably also why she's rough. She's always been rough and I have had the chiro out for her multiple times. I was wondering if possibly switching barrels would help this since she goes right better, but I haven't done that yet. She's just always had a rough trot, the lope walk ect is all smooth but the trot is just horrid.
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| Diann may very well be right.
I see a horse that has a bunch of moving parts and none of those parts look very comfortable.
I can't really tell from that video if she is uncomfortable because she's sore or if it's because she's not really sure what she's doing
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Location: Oklahoma | kmcsunshine - 2013-09-20 8:21 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 8:07 PM dianeguinn - 2013-09-20 8:05 PM Probably needs to go to the vet. When a horse doesn't want to take a lead or crossfires or switches in the turn or coming out of the turn, they're usually sore. That's probably also why she's rough. She's always been rough and I have had the chiro out for her multiple times. I was wondering if possibly switching barrels would help this since she goes right better, but I haven't done that yet. She's just always had a rough trot, the lope walk ect is all smooth but the trot is just horrid.
Was just fixing to post that. I said "vet". Not "chiro". Big difference. She looks sore to me, and the flicking tail just adds to that. |
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| Sore where? I had a exam done on her back legs and front not to long ago. She has windpuffs on her back fetlocks. The vet said she was fine and if its not bothering how now being almost 10 years old it probably never will.
Re-watching that video tons of times. It seems she does right completely fine, then we go to the left where she switches her tail twice and doesn't feel like really bending, she does that down at the second left as well. Maybe its time for another chiro treatment. The trainer I sent her to, said she had a tough time getting her to pick up her left lead to. So maybe its just her, or maybe she's out some where. If they chiro finds nothing wrong, I'll get her to the vet to do a good check over.
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Location: Florida.. | did you get xrays of hocks or just checked. I just watched video.. horse is clearly sore and to do so many circles in a fast trot didnt help.. if her hocks or stifle is sore that is quite painful..to switch ways wont help her. it may make he move better one way but shes still in pain so why not figure it out ..
she is trying. but hurts . also once you figure out and fix the issue My suggestion would be to SLOW down your work.. your trot is way to fast.. slow it down do slow work. and really get her supple and bending at ribs.. etc..off the pattern .... that will help her with her chiro issues..
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Location: NC | I had an issue with my gelding at the first. Some people told me he was sore, but we changed what we thought was wrong & he's been fine ever since. So if this is a one time thing, or 'only happens when..' then it may not be lameness. But if it's an ongoing thing that seems to be getting worse instead of better, it's probably soreness/lameness/adjustment issue. Or saddle fit. Or wrong bit. Or teeth. Any number of things.
She looks confused. And something is bothering her, whether that's soreness or the bit or the way your hands are or any number of things.
Take her to a good trainer or have someone ride her who really knows what they're doing. If they can't make her work, it's something more than just her being picky.
Get her looked at by a good lameness vet. Our chiro is a lameness vet who knows acupuncture too, so he can tell you what's wrong with the horse just from the acupuncture points. Not all chiros/vets are created equal, so just make sure you're going to a good one.
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| We've been at this a whole year. I don't know what more I could do or what more to say. Its not getting worse she just wont pick it up. We've done crap tons of slow work. I sent her to a trainer last year and she had the same issue, but got her to do it. So I'm probably riding her wrong. Im not making excuses and not taking what you guys have said. Because I am, I'll get all things checked out and if everything rules out, I'll send her back to the trainer. |
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Location: Washington | She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. |
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| fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM
She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns.
She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy. |
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Location: Washington | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy.
SO tell us why and what you were trying to do by circling so many times to the left. I love to learn. |
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| fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:04 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy.
To try and get her to circle and bend? Why in any question I post do you have to be so absolutely rude? All I am wanting to do is help my horse and learn as well and all you do is bash and get snappy. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Your horse is really trying to stay off the left hind. If you had her shod recently pull the shoes may be a hot nail. It looks to be down low so I would start at the hoof and work your way up. Check for an abcess, pulled ligament, bone chips, then hock .  |
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Location: NC | After you get her looked at, start working UNDER a trainer. Get some lessons WITH your horse. If someone else is getting her to work but she won't work for you, then you need to find out why. You need another set of eyes out there telling you what to do or not to do. You need to learn to use your legs. Your legs are your biggest asset with a well trained horse, especially a barrel horse.
Lessons make a WORLD of difference. Trust me. I was clueless before I sought the help of others. I had no idea how to use my legs. I was just there, flopping around for the most part. I have learned more just in the past month than I have in the years I've been riding, just from watching other people & listening to what they've told me.
Find someone you trust & look up to & learn from them. Get your horse comfortable first, then work on both of you. And if this horse is just learning & you're learning too, you need to get some lessons on a FINISHED horse (while a trainer works with yours). I tried that road & all it did was lead to frustration. A finished horse can teach you SO many things. And you can take those lessons back to riding your own horse.
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| cow pie - 2013-09-20 9:10 PM
Your horse is really trying to stay off the left hind. If you had her shod recently pull the shoes may be a hot nail. It looks to be down low so I would start at the hoof and work your way up. Check for an abcess, pulled ligament, bone chips, then hock .
No she is barefoot. But thank you finally for giving me at least an idea of where to start! |
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| hlynn - 2013-09-20 9:11 PM
After you get her looked at, start working UNDER a trainer. Get some lessons WITH your horse. If someone else is getting her to work but she won't work for you, then you need to find out why. You need another set of eyes out there telling you what to do or not to do. You need to learn to use your legs. Your legs are your biggest asset with a well trained horse, especially a barrel horse.
Lessons make a WORLD of difference. Trust me. I was clueless before I sought the help of others. I had no idea how to use my legs. I was just there, flopping around for the most part. I have learned more just in the past month than I have in the years I've been riding, just from watching other people & listening to what they've told me.
Find someone you trust & look up to & learn from them. Get your horse comfortable first, then work on both of you. And if this horse is just learning & you're learning too, you need to get some lessons on a FINISHED horse (while a trainer works with yours). I tried that road & all it did was lead to frustration. A finished horse can teach you SO many things. And you can take those lessons back to riding your own horse.
THANK YOU. I do have a lady i started lessons with last year, that I will be starting back up with again soon I talked to her last week. My other barrel mare and I do fine, we are loping and adding speed, we connect and she tries for me. My chestnut and this one are just so different. Thank you for your advice! |
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Location: Washington | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:05 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:04 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy. To try and get her to circle and bend? Why in any question I post do you have to be so absolutely rude? All I am wanting to do is help my horse and learn as well and all you do is bash and get snappy.
Not snappy and bashing, Your horse hasn't a clue on what and why.
IF you think I am rude, it was not my intent. But you continue not to learn when so many here have given you fantastic advice.
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Location: Florida.. | get xrays .. you said the trainer had a hard time with it as well.. but got it.. trainers can get them to do it with pain as well.. if they are good .. doesnt mean shes not in pain.Xrays is my opinion .then lessons.. and LOTS of slow work
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| 1. Possible soreness. Save some $$ up and call Dr. Stacy Huntingdon out of Republic. She's pretty good with lameness...better than the average "vaccinate your calves, spay and neuter your dogs and cats vet. 2. Stacy rides dressage. Ask her if she knows of any clinics in the area you could go and watch for low price or free. Mouth shut and eyes/ears open, you can learn a lot.3. Go to youtube and watch horsemanship videos until your eyes bleed. Especially ones that focus on teaching a horse collection. You need to learn what a cadenced correct circle looks like, then try to educate yourself on how to produce that. There is a lot of information out there, you can educate yourself, to a certain degree, I would also set aside some money for some lessons from a decent trainer/horseman. |
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| fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:15 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:05 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:04 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy. To try and get her to circle and bend? Why in any question I post do you have to be so absolutely rude? All I am wanting to do is help my horse and learn as well and all you do is bash and get snappy.
IF you think I am rude, it was not my intent. But you continue not to learn when so many here have given you fantastic advice.
Hope you get if figured out.
I just said up there a few comments back I WAS taking the advice. Geez, I wouldn't have asked this if I didn't want help. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 9:16 PM
1. Possible soreness. Save some $$ up and call Dr. Stacy Huntingdon out of Republic. She's pretty good with lameness...better than the average "vaccinate your calves, spay and neuter your dogs and cats vet. 2. Stacy rides dressage. Ask her if she knows of any clinics in the area you could go and watch for low price or free. Mouth shut and eyes/ears open, you can learn a lot.3. Go to youtube and watch horsemanship videos until your eyes bleed. Especially ones that focus on teaching a horse collection. You need to learn what a cadenced correct circle looks like, then try to educate yourself on how to produce that. There is a lot of information out there, you can educate yourself, to a certain degree, I would also set aside some money for some lessons from a decent trainer/horseman.
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Location: NC | I do think there is an underlying issue with your mare here. If it's been going on for awhile, then you need to get her checked out. If the chiro says she's fine, then move onto a good lameness vet. You may have to go out of the way to find one, but they're well worth it.
She may just need some hock injections. Or she may have a pulled muscle or something that just requires rest. If you leave it alone to get worse, you could end up with a ruined horse or YOU could get hurt if the horse would blow up on you one day.
We are all trying to help (Some more politely than others). A lameness exam would be a great place to start. With a good reliable vet. Then you can go from there.
Figure out what's going on with her, get her back with a good trainer who can also teach YOU how to get her to work for you, & you will BOTH be a whole lot happier.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:19 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 9:16 PM
1. Possible soreness. Save some $$ up and call Dr. Stacy Huntingdon out of Republic. She's pretty good with lameness...better than the average "vaccinate your calves, spay and neuter your dogs and cats vet. 2. Stacy rides dressage. Ask her if she knows of any clinics in the area you could go and watch for low price or free. Mouth shut and eyes/ears open, you can learn a lot.3. Go to youtube and watch horsemanship videos until your eyes bleed. Especially ones that focus on teaching a horse collection. You need to learn what a cadenced correct circle looks like, then try to educate yourself on how to produce that. There is a lot of information out there, you can educate yourself, to a certain degree, I would also set aside some money for some lessons from a decent trainer/horseman.
Do I go to her or will she come to me? Republic is about two hours from me.
My bad. I thought you were closer to Republic than that from other posts about going to Carthage. You'd have to haul to her from that distance, and there's probably someone closer to you that is good with lameness. |
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Location: Florida.. | I just feel she doesnt stand a chance right now.
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Location: NC | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:22 PM
Any of you just think she's not cut out to be a barrel horse?
If you don't fit with her as well as you'd like, then sell her. No sense keeping a horse you don't like.
But I do think she would be a different horse if you got her looked at & figured out where her pain is coming from.
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-09-20 9:25 PM
I just feel she doesnt stand a chance right now.
shes sore ,fix the issue,, take lessons and then see ... how old is she
She's almost 10, she was wayyyyyyyy before I got her started on the barrel pattern at two. I think that's where her windpuffs came from. |
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| hlynn - 2013-09-20 9:25 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:22 PM
Any of you just think she's not cut out to be a barrel horse?
If you don't fit with her as well as you'd like, then sell her. No sense keeping a horse you don't like.
But I do think she would be a different horse if you got her looked at & figured out where her pain is coming from.
Any horse can be a barrel horse. Some are just better than others at it.
Noooooo. I never bought her intending for her to be a barrel horse she was just going to be trail but then I got into barrel racing. She will always be with me barrel racing or not. |
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Location: Florida.. | shes probrably fusing.. xrays and exam.. and be ready for injections if needed.. and please no more fast circles like that. that is a surefire way to destroy good joints.. ok.. then once you figure it out .. fix it and get lessons.. shes cute.. but she cant do well if shes hurting and you and her need some lessons.. good luck |
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| In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
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Location: Florida.. | StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 10:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. agree to.. her back looks sore. and the horse is broke in half..
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Location: Augusta, KS | fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:04 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy.
Sure not trying to attack you fatchance, but why the nasty under tones? The OP stated in her original post that "she sucked" and is obviously open to ideas and trying to learn. Your post is a perfect example of what I see much to often that I'm sure scares off new members and lurkers from asking for help.
Maybe you mean well, I don't know. If you do, it doesn't translate well through the computer screen. Many of us do many many things wrong as beginner (or even intermediate or advanced) horsewoman, and its hard enough as it is to admit ignorance and ask for help. Please don't contribute to making it harder. |
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| StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
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Location: Augusta, KS | StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
THIS is how you tactfully give constructive criticism. Even with being "brutally honest", it's not meant to put down, only to help. BHW needs more Stephanie's :) |
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Location: Augusta, KS | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM
StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
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| runningkc - 2013-09-20 9:44 PM
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StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Andddd with that comment off I will go. Lol.
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| runningkc - 2013-09-20 9:44 PM
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StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Andddd with that comment off I will go. Lol.
LOL I wasn't meaning it rudely. I was just re stating what she said, but in just less words. I know I can't really ride but I'm self taught and that's my problem I can't really afford weekly lessons. I wish I could, but I don't have a job right now. I had a horse flip and break my femur about 14 weeks ago. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:47 PM
runningkc - 2013-09-20 9:44 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM
StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Andddd with that comment off I will go. Lol.
LOL I wasn't meaning it rudely. I was just re stating what she said, but in just less words. I know I can't really ride but I'm self taught and that's my problem I can't really afford weekly lessons. I wish I could, but I don't have a job right now. I had a horse flip and break my femur about 14 weeks ago.
Baylenjaxs, please don't denegrate yourself by saying you're a "fatass and can't ride". Its ok to be a novice, no one pops out of the womb riding beautifully. Its a lifelong learning process. The thing is you have to be hungry for information and seek it out and try to improve. It can be done. There are TONS of people who are largely self taught. I soooo wish I would have had youtube when I was a kid to watch all the different ways to skin a cat. |
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In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Andddd with that comment off I will go. Lol.
LOL I wasn't meaning it rudely. I was just re stating what she said, but in just less words. I know I can't really ride but I'm self taught and that's my problem I can't really afford weekly lessons. I wish I could, but I don't have a job right now. I had a horse flip and break my femur about 14 weeks ago.
I don't think you necessarily need lessons every week.... just go back to the basics. Ride with your legs- try to control your horse without even using your reins. Pretend like they're not even there. Doing this at nothing but a walk will help tremendously.
To find your perfect seat- stand up in your stirrups, tuck your butt in (basically squeeze your butt cheeks together and forward LOL) and sit down but you MUST keep your legs in the same position they were when you were standing up in the saddle. Make sense???? Once you find your "seat", just walk around.... put your arms straight out to the side to help find your perfect balance. Once you master this "seat" you can move up to a trot....and practice posting. This alone will make a huge difference in your horse. |
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Location: Washington | runningkc - 2013-09-20 7:39 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 9:04 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 7:00 PM fatchance - 2013-09-20 8:58 PM She hasn't a clue. She is fat and I got dizzy on the two left turns. She's not fat, she's been ridden all summer/spring long. I'm sorry you got dizzy. Sure not trying to attack you fatchance, but why the nasty under tones? The OP stated in her original post that "she sucked" and is obviously open to ideas and trying to learn. Your post is a perfect example of what I see much to often that I'm sure scares off new members and lurkers from asking for help. Maybe you mean well, I don't know. If you do, it doesn't translate well through the computer screen. Many of us do many many things wrong as beginner (or even intermediate or advanced ) horsewoman, and its hard enough as it is to admit ignorance and ask for help. Please don't contribute to making it harder.
Fair enough. I have always tried to help, but because my undertones do not fit many I am taken as rude? Sorry about that, because that is the last thing I want.
I must say this in my defense, there was and has never been any nasty undertones on my part. She said she sucks, I said the horse doesn't know and is fat.
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Location: NC | Ok. I have been here (minus the horse injury thing).
I will say this as nicely as possible. Remember, I HAVE BEEN THERE. I just rode for a long time, no real lessons/trainers/etc.
If you want to stay as a recreational rider, or just do small playdays/game show type things, then keep on doing what you're doing. There's nothing wrong with it.
But if you want to get better & excel & ride TRUE barrel horses, run in the big shows, make it to the NFR, etc, you NEED lessons. You NEED to learn about 500 things that you just don't know yet, & you'll only learn on a TRUE horse with a TRUE trainer. You need to learn how to control every part of that horse independently. You need to learn how to react if you need to push one over, if you need to pick one up, etc. These are all things you will NEED to know if you want to move up & on & get better!
It took until this year for me to wake up & realize: holy crap. I don't know how to ride a REAL barrel horse. So I learned! And it's an eye opener. You almost have to re-learn how to ride. You need to have quiet hands. You need to ride with your legs. You need to learn how to control every part of the horse. And this is only learned from GOOD lessons. |
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| StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:52 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:47 PM
runningkc - 2013-09-20 9:44 PM
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StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM
In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse.
By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot.
I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle.
So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Andddd with that comment off I will go. Lol.
LOL I wasn't meaning it rudely. I was just re stating what she said, but in just less words. I know I can't really ride but I'm self taught and that's my problem I can't really afford weekly lessons. I wish I could, but I don't have a job right now. I had a horse flip and break my femur about 14 weeks ago.
I don't think you necessarily need lessons every week.... just go back to the basics. Ride with your legs- try to control your horse without even using your reins. Pretend like they're not even there. Doing this at nothing but a walk will help tremendously.
To find your perfect seat- stand up in your stirrups, tuck your butt in (basically squeeze your butt cheeks together and forward LOL ) and sit down but you MUST keep your legs in the same position they were when you were standing up in the saddle. Make sense???? Once you find your "seat", just walk around.... put your arms straight out to the side to help find your perfect balance. Once you master this "seat" you can move up to a trot....and practice posting. This alone will make a huge difference in your horse.
I can't stand a whole lot in the saddle yet. I was working under a trainer down here and I got on a horse trotted then loped she broke into and flipped over on me and broke my femur. Its a pain just to get on from a boost on my left leg. It is honestly my fault my horse is going the way she is. I just don't have my leg back and the doctor said it will only be at 8 percent in a year. This mare for me at a trot is so hard to ride. My other mare isn't she has a smooth trot you can sit or post easily and does a whole lot better off leg. I just feel bad cause its my fault my chestnut is doing what she's doing. |
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| hlynn - 2013-09-20 9:56 PM
Ok. I have been here (minus the horse injury thing).
I will say this as nicely as possible. Remember, I HAVE BEEN THERE. I just rode for a long time, no real lessons/trainers/etc.
If you want to stay as a recreational rider, or just do small playdays/game show type things, then keep on doing what you're doing. There's nothing wrong with it.
But if you want to get better & excel & ride TRUE barrel horses, run in the big shows, make it to the NFR, etc, you NEED lessons. You NEED to learn about 500 things that you just don't know yet, & you'll only learn on a TRUE horse with a TRUE trainer. You need to learn how to control every part of that horse independently. You need to learn how to react if you need to push one over, if you need to pick one up, etc. These are all things you will NEED to know if you want to move up & on & get better!
It took until this year for me to wake up & realize: holy crap. I don't know how to ride a REAL barrel horse. So I learned! And it's an eye opener. You almost have to re-learn how to ride. You need to have quiet hands. You need to ride with your legs. You need to learn how to control every part of the horse. And this is only learned from GOOD lessons.
I like you C:. I;ve got a lady I am going to get lessons from, she was helping me last year. I just stopped going because it got close to winter and cold. Thank you everyone who has given me advice, I will take it. |
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Location: Kansas | I'm sorry for your acident and injury.
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| Sangria - 2013-09-20 10:05 PM
I'm sorry for your acident and injury.
If you can't ride correctly and efficently, how to you expect your horse to preform correctly?
That's what I am saying. My horse sin't doing what she's supposed to do because of how I am riding. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
This is the reason many old timers on here don't give advice anymore. We give advice and don't sugar coat things as that doesn't help anyone to get better.
Many of you would have never survived some of the clinics I've attended in my lifetime and I paid to get hollered at.. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 10:06 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Many of you would have never survived some of the clinics I've attended in my lifetime and I paid to get hollered at..
I was meaning it to be funny. I wasn't not taking her advice. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 11:06 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Many of you would have never survived some of the clinics I've attended in my lifetime and I paid to get hollered at..
me to.. if the clincians didnt yell. push. critsize, be brutal .. it wasnt worth the money to me. I want to walk outta there knowing I can change things and how to .. not sugar coat things. |
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| There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go. |
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Location: Kansas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:05 PM Sangria - 2013-09-20 10:05 PM I'm sorry for your acident and injury.
If you can't ride correctly and efficently, how to you expect your horse to preform correctly? That's what I am saying. My horse sin't doing what she's supposed to do because of how I am riding.
Then why are you asking for advise and working her on the pattern?
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-09-20 10:08 PM
Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 11:06 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Many of you would have never survived some of the clinics I've attended in my lifetime and I paid to get hollered at..
I think there is a big difference in being given "brutally honest" direction in person as opposed to the written word. Even when I've been being yelled at, the person doing it could gauge my reaction and temper it with some small encouragement as well. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
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Location: Kansas | Bibliafarm - 2013-09-20 10:08 PM Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 11:06 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 9:41 PM StephanieNE - 2013-09-20 9:35 PM In all honesty---- the horse looks a little sore, but mostly like it doesn't know how to use itself. Quite possibly a rider induced soreness- multiple circling to the left with no back relief. Learning to post the trot can provide a lot of back relief to the horse. By hanging on the horse's face to gain your balance, you're throwing all the horse's weight forward, but by sitting down heavy, you're putting a lot of pressure on the spine. This creates a "break" in the horse's frame and makes it almost impossible to keep a horse sound. This horse doesn't even know how to trot. I would put the barrels away. Completely. To be brutally honest- your seat and riding skills need a lot of work before you even begin to think about making a circle. So your basically saying I'm at fat ass flopping around up there who cannot ride worth crap xD!?
Many of you would have never survived some of the clinics I've attended in my lifetime and I paid to get hollered at..
I agree.
Many times the truth hurts and tears you apart, but if you want to succeed, you suck it up, take it to heart, try to become positive, work hard on it and in the long run it will pay off.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic? |
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Location: Florida.. | Not sure what that meant.. i dont think my posts were being rude to her.I was stating though at clincis i expect it.. and seems on threads people always get upset and when no harm was intended.. they asked .. for advice.. and others give it.. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | I may be totally off because I couldn't see well in the video.... But, aren't those wraps really low on her back legs and inhibiting her movement some? I agree with FC that she doesn't look fit and probably doesn't have the core muscles needed to hold the turn.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | So I just read the rest of your postings...
You are frustrated which in turn is frustrating your horse.
Things happen in life and you need to just ride and enjoy your horses and start doing exercises to strengthen your body back. When you get back to where you can ride without pain and can be balanced in your saddle is when you precede with training. You're making yourself and your horse crazy. Your young and have all kinds of time to barrel race. Concentrate on getting yourself well and that includes physically and mentally.
Quit beating yourself up. Take it one day at a time and there isn't a better bunch of people to help your reach your goals.
The best teacher's in the world don't blow butterflies up your butt...they are direct. If I was needing an instructor...FatChance would be my choice as I know she wouldn't let me make excuses nor let me be a slacker.
Let's start over...
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Google says its not what =O! The time I went there it took us two dang hours. Laurie Crane and someone else. Laurie had Littlebit last year and did a good job with her. Littlebit got sick for 6 weeks and I wasn't able to keep her training going. Laurie gave me lessons and now a lady named Jo Anna Pruitt is giving me lessons. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2013-09-20 10:15 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
Go audit it. Watch and listen.
I went last year, took my other barrel mare, helped us crap tons. I will go and watch this one for sure though. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 10:20 PM
So I just read the rest of your postings...
You are frustrated which in turn is frustrating your horse.
Things happen in life and you need to just ride and enjoy your horses and start doing exercises to strengthen your body back. When you get back to where you can ride without pain and can be balanced in your saddle is when you precede with training. You're making yourself and your horse crazy. Your young and have all kinds of time to barrel race. Concentrate on getting yourself well and that includes physically and mentally.
Quit beating yourself up. Take it one day at a time and there isn't a better bunch of people to help your reach your goals.
The best teacher's in the world don't blow butterflies up your butt...they are direct. If I was needing an instructor...FatChance would be my choice as I know she wouldn't let me make excuses nor let me be a slacker. Let's start over...
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:21 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Google says its not what =O! The time I went there it took us two dang hours. Laurie Crane and someone else. Laurie had Littlebit last year and did a good job with her. Littlebit got sick for 6 weeks and I wasn't able to keep her training going. Laurie gave me lessons and now a lady named Jo Anna Pruitt is giving me lessons.
Joanna is a hand she has "been there, done that" and definitely not one to sugar coat anything. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? |
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:25 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:21 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Google says its not what =O! The time I went there it took us two dang hours. Laurie Crane and someone else. Laurie had Littlebit last year and did a good job with her. Littlebit got sick for 6 weeks and I wasn't able to keep her training going. Laurie gave me lessons and now a lady named Jo Anna Pruitt is giving me lessons. Joanna is a hand she has "been there, done that" and definitely not one to sugar coat anything.
I know. I love her. She helped me with Littlebit last year in lessons and she works down at our gas station part time. So I have been going in and asking for advice and she's more then happy to help me. She held the clinic last year and realllllyyyyyy helped me then too.
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
Not sure what that meant.. i dont think my posts were being rude to her.I was stating though at clincis i expect it.. and seems on threads people always get upset and when no harm was intended.. they asked .. for advice.. and others give it..
If you were referencing my comment, I don't think you were being rude at all. I agree that I go to lessons or clinics to hear the truth and improve. My only point is, things can come across differently in writing than in person. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove?
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Location: Kansas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go. So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic? Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove?
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? No.
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| Sangria - 2013-09-20 10:32 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go. So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic? Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove?
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:32 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? No.
Where are you located? Not to be a nudge xD. Are you going to go the NBHA race tomorrow or just heard about it?
I'm at Springfield. I'm not going to Everton. I haven't entered a barrel race in quite a while. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:35 PM
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BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? No.
Where are you located? Not to be a nudge xD. Are you going to go the NBHA race tomorrow or just heard about it? I'm at Springfield. I'm not going to Everton. I haven't entered a barrel race in quite a while.
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Location: Texas | OK, here's my 2 cents.
I think you ride OK. And I understand about coming back after an injury. It really messes with your balance.
I didn't look for any lameness - I just watched how the horse is built and travels.
She has a short neck. Short necked horses do better going straighter into their turns. Cranking their noses around throws them on their front ends. If she were mine, I'd concentrate more on keeping her a little straighter and not starting my turn until your leg gets even with the barrel, then push her forward into her turns with your legs and guide her head and neck without pulling on her.
Good luck with her. I'd hate to have had video and internet 35 years ago when I was re-learning how to run barrels.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:36 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:35 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:32 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? No.
Where are you located? Not to be a nudge xD. Are you going to go the NBHA race tomorrow or just heard about it? I'm at Springfield. I'm not going to Everton. I haven't entered a barrel race in quite a while.
You live 40 minutes from me.
Yep. I'm pretty familiar with Everton's arena. I am 45 years old and have been to lots of stuff there over the years. It's about the best outdoor arena ground for several miles around. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:40 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:36 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:35 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:32 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:27 PM
bennie1 - 2013-09-20 10:17 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:10 PM
There is actually a NBHA clinic tomorrow at my saddle club. If I had the money to go I would, because its a really good trainer teaching it. I was going to take my chestnut, the one in the video if I had, had enough money. But I don't I tred selling crap ect nobody wanted anything so I am unable to go.
So, is that the deal at Everton? Who is teaching it? I saw they were having a clinic on facebook but I didn't see who was teaching it. I didn't think Everton was 2hours from Republic?
Have you heard of Sarah Phillips Equine over in Fair Grove? No.
Where are you located? Not to be a nudge xD. Are you going to go the NBHA race tomorrow or just heard about it? I'm at Springfield. I'm not going to Everton. I haven't entered a barrel race in quite a while.
You live 40 minutes from me. Yep. I'm pretty familiar with Everton's arena. I am 45 years old and have been to lots of stuff there over the years. It's about the best outdoor arena ground for several miles around.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How long have you had her on the pattern? She looks green and lost to me, you need to be useing your legs more, shes drifting off the barrel on the back side, hold her in with your outside leg. And I would get my hands down, your hands are really high going around the barrels. And with her being barefoot and on harder ground I would think that shes being a little sensitive in the foot department. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-09-20 10:47 PM
How long have you had her on the pattern? She looks green and lost to me, you need to be useing your legs more, shes drifting off the barrel on the back side, hold her in with your outside leg. And I would get my hands down, your hands are really high going around the barrels. And with her being barefoot and on harder ground I would think that shes being a little sensitive in the foot department.
A whole year. From April last year till now. She went to the trainer back in April, she came back sick with Strangles she was out for 6 weeks and the training I put on her kinda went out the door considering it was only two weeks of training. I haven't really begun to work hard and get down to it until about 6 months ago. All we have been doing is trotting and loping in between barrels. So maybe if I got her to an arena she'd do better? I have no idea honestly. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I went back and watched the video again, the first barrel looked really good, your hands were in a good spot, go back and watch your video and watch the first barrel, thats what you need to be doing on the other two.2 You got a really cute horse there |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-09-20 10:52 PM
I went back and watched the video again, the first barrel looked really good, your hands were in a good spot, go back and watch your video and watch the first barrel, thats what you need to be doing on the other two.2 You got a really cute horse there
That's the thing though, she wont bend so easily or go around as nicely as she does the first. So I thought maybe switch barrels because she'll have two rights and only one left. But I don't know. So many people keep telling me she's sore, so I am gonna get that out of the way before I try anything. I'll have her a vet appointment next weekendd when I come into some money. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | On the first barrel you hands are just right but when you get to the second barrel you pick your hands up high and out and her nose is following your hands, try to keep your elbows in and hands a little lower. Good luck with her. You know I have a gelding that is bred to run barrels, but I dont think he really likes them, to me all horses are not made to run barrels. I sent him to a friend of mine and they worked him slow for 3 months, I bring him home and its like he never went any where , hes just a goober in my books. |
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Location: Midwest | IMHO I wouldn't do barrels with her. But if you choose to keep doin it, I'd suggest to get those hocks x-rayed and a lameness exam ASAP. |
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| Something that I picked up on is her whole aproach and turn of that second barrel was simmilar to that of when I started doing barrels on my old pony. I totally get circling a barrel to get the feel right but there was no support on the outside when you cam around(hence her drifting to the outside on the backside. I would definitely pick up work with your trainer again and best of luck. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 8:54 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2013-09-20 10:52 PM
I went back and watched the video again, the first barrel looked really good, your hands were in a good spot, go back and watch your video and watch the first barrel, thats what you need to be doing on the other two.2 You got a really cute horse there
That's the thing though, she wont bend so easily or go around as nicely as she does the first. So I thought maybe switch barrels because she'll have two rights and only one left. But I don't know. So many people keep telling me she's sore, so I am gonna get that out of the way before I try anything. I'll have her a vet appointment next weekendd when I come into some money.
OOps didn't see this post before. Something that has proved very helpful is realizing"bend" doesnt have to be over egsagerated trough the shoulders. Think hiphiphips. If your hips are out and your nose is in that isnt doing anything either! Another thing that I would recommend(if you can afford it) Is to learn many different disciplines(youll see the similarities) Mainly hop on a reiner and hop on a dressage horse. |
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| I agree that the horse looks sore and if it were mine I would take it to a good lameness vet, JMHO.
The one thing that really stood out to me is that you have a lot of face on 2nd and no ribs. You touch the face and that's all the horse gives you. You need the ribs to give too. The horse needs to arch through the rib cage in the turn. When you try to correct, you are pulling the nose to the outside, which arcs the rib cage the wrong way, which then causes the horse to be even more out of position in the turn. A horse can't be corrected by pulling with the outside rein. You have to maintain the body by lifting the ribs with the inside foot, maintain the arc by lifting with the inside rein and all the outside rein should do is act as a guide. |
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Location: NC | SKM - 2013-09-21 7:30 AM
I agree that the horse looks sore and if it were mine I would take it to a good lameness vet, JMHO.
The one thing that really stood out to me is that you have a lot of face on 2nd and no ribs. You touch the face and that's all the horse gives you. You need the ribs to give too. The horse needs to arch through the rib cage in the turn. When you try to correct, you are pulling the nose to the outside, which arcs the rib cage the wrong way, which then causes the horse to be even more out of position in the turn. A horse can't be corrected by pulling with the outside rein. You have to maintain the body by lifting the ribs with the inside foot, maintain the arc by lifting with the inside rein and all the outside rein should do is act as a guide.
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All of these things a trainer can help you with.
Get healed up. You don't need to be riding if you can't use your legs, especially on a green horse. Your legs are 99% of your riding. Your hands are just a guide.
So get your legs back to 100% & then worry about riding. :)
For now, watch & listen & soak everything you can up. Ask a million questions. Watch a million runs. Watch videos of trainers working young horses & see how much leg they use, watch where their hands are. Go to a show & watch the exhibitions CLOSELY. Watch where those rider keep their legs & hands during slow work. Take notes!! Ask questions! Most people are HAPPY to pass on their knowledge to those who are willing to listen & learn!
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| Never ever beat yourself up. I understand it is hard to have confidence in yourself when you feel unsure.
STOP feeling unsure because you are getting out there and trying to learn.
THAT counts for something.
Now with that being said-it can be very humbling to have people tell you what they see.
I have learned personally to buck up and deal with it if I am serious about getting better. However, I can relate to how much it can make you feel like you suck.
Whenever I ride I have a few friends that watch and critique me on EVERYTHING I am doing. Along with my husband who is not afraid to say WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!
I have walked away crying plenty of times-LOL
But each time I get back on and I realize WOW, that made such a huge difference. It clicks now...
Trust me, I know the truth can hurt. I get it five days a week. The other day I said I felt like I was a lost cause because of how much I was getting critiqued.
Trust me I cried that evening too...the last thing I want to do is suck. No one does. We all want to be rockstars at this sport.
I also wanted to say that Fatchance has a great eye and is actually very, very, very. sweet. I have personally gone to her for advice and she is a positive person that is very knowledgable, and more then willing to help or offer advice.
I am by no means an expert, I just try to learn everything I can, but something that might help you is working on getting your horse to bend and break at the poll.
That is everything to getting a fluid barrel. To the average person my horse might look like he is real bendy and real broke at the poll, but when you add speed he starts to spit the bit. Just this week I had a great conversation with my trainer about making sure there is no resistence when you ask them to bend.
You want them to do this at each gate. A walk, a trot, a canter, and then at high speeds.
When they bend without resistance they will rate more naturally, and you will get better more fluid turns.
If you are not sure what that is ask someone or look it up. This is currently what I am working on with my horse. Good luck! Don't give up on your dreams.
You are in control of making them happen, and you are out there trying to better yourself which is awesome!
You never stop learning!
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| Thank you guys! I really appreciate it! I will take everyone's advice, I'll have her a vet appointment hopefully next week. Once that is done and everything is ruled out for all I know its something minor that can be fixed with special care. I'm sending her back to the trainer for a month and then I'm getting lessons with her for a couple of weeks. I think she'll make a decent barrel horse when she's finished, the trainer told me that, the lady giving me lessons told me that and a few other people. Swear to god I am not even making this up but I have had offers on her too. There were a few people at the trainers who were help her and were letting them ride my horse. I kinda don't know what they see in her. I know she's hella fast just plain out in a full gallop. She loves to run on trails, so I thought I'd give her a job of it.
I really do want to help her out, because I really would like to barrel race her. I really like barrel racing. If I can't do it with her, I have my Arab and another mare they I may be buying next year. My mother told me last night its probably easier to concentrate on the one you have going because you might get farther. So, I'll take her to the vet, take her to the trainer, get lessons and we will come back later with a better video and a progress report. Thank you guys.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-21 11:04 AM Thank you guys! I really appreciate it! I will take everyone's advice, I'll have her a vet appointment hopefully next week. Once that is done and everything is ruled out for all I know its something minor that can be fixed with special care. I'm sending her back to the trainer for a month and then I'm getting lessons with her for a couple of weeks. I think she'll make a decent barrel horse when she's finished, the trainer told me that, the lady giving me lessons told me that and a few other people. Swear to god I am not even making this up but I have had offers on her too. There were a few people at the trainers who were help her and were letting them ride my horse. I kinda don't know what they see in her. I know she's hella fast just plain out in a full gallop. She loves to run on trails, so I thought I'd give her a job of it. I really do want to help her out, because I really would like to barrel race her. I really like barrel racing. If I can't do it with her, I have my Arab and another mare they I may be buying next year. My mother told me last night its probably easier to concentrate on the one you have going because you might get farther. So, I'll take her to the vet, take her to the trainer, get lessons and we will come back later with a better video and a progress report. Thank you guys.
You sound like you're a good kid and smart. Your mom gave you some good advice and glad to hear that your taking it. Have fun with your mare and please let us all know how its going for ya'll later in her training. |
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| I haven't read all the comments but if some of this is repeated just filter.
For the horse not picking up the left lead, it could be ulcers, I had a four year old who over night refused to pick up or continue on l lead, she had ulcers, once that was treated she was back to her perfect self.
For your riding, you need to shorten your stirrups your toes are point down, not your heels, you are not staying balanced, you are flopping around causing your horse to go off balance, you are not using your feet properly.
Your reins are too long causing your hands to be out of position.
You are miscueing your horse at the half way mark around second barrel every time you turn it her head is going to the outside of the turn.
Your horses head and nose are too high, she is trying to evade the bit instead to give to the bit, and when she does give you do not offer a reward by releasing.
I would suggest good vet check then find a horsemanship trainer equitation trainer to teach you body positioning, as your horse is not rating at the barrel, and you are not sitting at the rate point, you need to learn the feel of your horse before you do barrels.
My horses get 2-3 months of exercise before I do barrels, during this time I do dry work in the field and I work on the bending flexing, rate, and my position |
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Location: West Tennessee | Nevertooold - 2013-09-20 10:20 PM So I just read the rest of your postings...
You are frustrated which in turn is frustrating your horse.
Things happen in life and you need to just ride and enjoy your horses and start doing exercises to strengthen your body back. When you get back to where you can ride without pain and can be balanced in your saddle is when you precede with training. You're making yourself and your horse crazy. Your young and have all kinds of time to barrel race. Concentrate on getting yourself well and that includes physically and mentally.
Quit beating yourself up. Take it one day at a time and there isn't a better bunch of people to help your reach your goals.
The best teacher's in the world don't blow butterflies up your butt...they are direct. If I was needing an instructor...FatChance would be my choice as I know she wouldn't let me make excuses nor let me be a slacker.
Let's start over...
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-20 10:50 PM Southtxponygirl - 2013-09-20 10:47 PM How long have you had her on the pattern? She looks green and lost to me, you need to be useing your legs more, shes drifting off the barrel on the back side, hold her in with your outside leg. And I would get my hands down, your hands are really high going around the barrels. And with her being barefoot and on harder ground I would think that shes being a little sensitive in the foot department. A whole year. From April last year till now. She went to the trainer back in April, she came back sick with Strangles she was out for 6 weeks and the training I put on her kinda went out the door considering it was only two weeks of training. I haven't really begun to work hard and get down to it until about 6 months ago. All we have been doing is trotting and loping in between barrels. So maybe if I got her to an arena she'd do better? I have no idea honestly.
I highlighted a couple of things here for you. You say she has been in training for over a year, but that isn't the case. (unless I have misread.) She was with a trainer for 2 weeks but then contracted strangles. Did you send her back to the trainer after the strangles episode? I'm not exactly sure when you broke your leg, but if it was between the strangles and now, then that takes out of the training process. I think you are getting some great advice, so make a "To Do" list of what recommendations have been made and check them off as you get them done. Honestly, I'd start at the vet, but you've said you plan on going there first.
As far as the broken leg, as NTO stated, you need to get yourself comfortable in the saddle again before you think about adding speed. I am coming off some broken bones and all I am doing right now is riding. I don't have the balance or the physical strength I had 6 months ago before my accident. My left leg is weak and can barely get me up in the saddle much less balance me at a greater speed. It goes numb after I am in the saddle a while. I am trail riding and long trotting to build up my endurance along with getting my horses and myself back into shape.
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Location: Alabama | I only watched a small portion of your video...FC is right, your horse doesn't have a clue of what's going on. She doesn't even keep "under herself" or "collected" (not sure which term your more familiar with) in the turns, just like a green horse that has no clue of what to do or how to do it. Solution: RIDING LESSONS and lots of them. To be honest, your best bet would be some dressage lessons, even if you wish to run barrels in the future. You're heavy in the saddle and bouncing and too much on your horses head with your hands. I give you credit for coming here asking for help and posting a video for critique. You'll get there, it's a matter of learning one step at a time. When we were babies, we learned to stand, then walk, then run (I hope you get the drift of what I am saying). You need lessons to get better at horsemanship skills, then you can begin to "ask" and "teach" your horse to do different things with you and for you. Until then, you will get frustrated and frustrate your horse in the process. I did not watch the whole video, so others might be right that your horse might also have a soreness issue. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Since you have another horse let that one heal. You can practice your skills on the arab. First of all shorten your reins. get the book by Sharon Camarillo the art of barrel racing.$25.00. It has all the basic information on how to along with photos of what is being describe so it will be easy to learn. It is put out by western horseman. You might be able to get it at a library, along with other books so it wouldn't cost you but time. While your standing on the ground bend your knees slightly as if you were in the saddle and twist slightly to the left and back and slighty to the right and back that should give you an idea on how your to use your legs. good luck |
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Location: Here | dianeguinn - 2013-09-20 8:05 PM Probably needs to go to the vet. When a horse doesn't want to take a lead or crossfires or switches in the turn or coming out of the turn, they're usually sore. That's probably also why she's rough.
I agree.
Your horse is off on the left rear.
Your horse is trying to listen to you.
Your horse also looks hollowed out in the back therefore throwing nose out.
Vet and lessons and I bet your have a new horse. |
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Location: Here | Farrierlady - 2013-09-21 4:00 PM I only watched a small portion of your video...FC is right, your horse doesn't have a clue of what's going on. She doesn't even keep "under herself" or "collected" (not sure which term your more familiar with) in the turns, just like a green horse that has no clue of what to do or how to do it. Solution: RIDING LESSONS and lots of them. To be honest, your best bet would be some dressage lessons, even if you wish to run barrels in the future. You're heavy in the saddle and bouncing and too much on your horses head with your hands. I give you credit for coming here asking for help and posting a video for critique. You'll get there, it's a matter of learning one step at a time. When we were babies, we learned to stand, then walk, then run (I hope you get the drift of what I am saying). You need lessons to get better at horsemanship skills, then you can begin to "ask" and "teach" your horse to do different things with you and for you. Until then, you will get frustrated and frustrate your horse in the process. I did not watch the whole video, so others might be right that your horse might also have a soreness issue.
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Location: Haslet, Texas | I just got the time to set down and watch the video. What I see is a horse that is not really athletically put together. She just can't figure out how to make her hind end work etc...horses that are put together right will naturally work, even at the green stage. It's something that you can feel, like you know they have planted that inside back foot and are preparing to turn. They know
now how to make it easy on themselves. If you like this mare for trail riding, then by all means use her for that. Not every horse is made to ride trails, some get antsy and just don't like it. |
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Location: SoCal | Fun2Run - 2013-09-20 8:38 PM
OK, here's my 2 cents.
I think you ride OK. And I understand about coming back after an injury. It really messes with your balance.
I didn't look for any lameness - I just watched how the horse is built and travels.
She has a short neck. Short necked horses do better going straighter into their turns. Cranking their noses around throws them on their front ends. If she were mine, I'd concentrate more on keeping her a little straighter and not starting my turn until your leg gets even with the barrel, then push her forward into her turns with your legs and guide her head and neck without pulling on her.
Good luck with her. I'd hate to have had video and internet 35 years ago when I was re-learning how to run barrels.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and slightly disagree with this. You had a slight bend going into the first and she did good. But going into second, she looks really straight and never engaged her hind end which made her swing off in the turn and end up with you having a hard time getting her back in line.
I'd ask her for shape going into the turn (nose to barrel, hip tilted in) and then quiet your hands though the turn. I don't think you should crank her nose or head going in, but it looks like her nose is pointing away from the barrel. No need to crank her head toward the barrel, but I do think you should tip her nose a bit. It may or may not work, but looking at the video, she looks like she was getting thrown into her turns to the left a bit, causing it to look like she was really unbalanced. Maybe keep her neck straight but try to just tip her nose and get that hip under her for support though the turn.
I too wasn't really paying attention to if she looks lame(maybe a little sore though), more on how you rode her at the different turns, and this is what I saw. It may or may not work, but it could be worth a try. When you go to the left, it looks like you always let her straighten up and then really turn her head in, which throws her body out around the barrel. For your hands, maybe try putting a string on your horn, and hold on to that. It'll prevent you from getting your hands too high or too out in the middle of no where. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | I have not read all the reply's, so if I am saying the same thing, carry on. You need to go back to basics. Get the horse working off his hinny. You're getting too much face, that will hurt you when you start going faster. He's rubber necking you. Start with 180's then 360's, lateral marches, square your barrels, funnels and fence work. When you turn the barrel and he gets off his rear, right then do a 360 and get him back on his butt, then complete the turn. lots of work, but it will pay off in the end. If you cant afford a trainer, get some DVD's about barrel's. Good luck>
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Location: North MS | I haven't watched the video but want to suggest a few things for you. Squats- you don't have to get parallel with the floor or anything. Go down an inch if you can manage and increase the number you can do each day. Build up to deeper squats. When you can do decent squats, try small lunges. Maybe 10 to start and work your way up in number and lower down. Then start working on wall squats. 10 seconds, 20, 30 and so on. When you can do a minute you can surely post a trot :). Fix you! Get to the top of your game so your horse can improve. Also bareback roundpen exercises for balance would be Great physical therapy for you. Plus help you with riding your own horse layer. Use a well broke trainers horse for this. Not another crazy horse a trainer has. Good luck and remember to have fun! |
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Location: ILLINOIS | I'm not going to critique your seat. With that said,
After watching your video. The first issue I spotted was at 15sec. Instead of pushing her out with your inside (left) leg and keeping her nose pointed towards the barrel heading to the second barrel, you have her nose tipped out and away from the barrel. Which makes it confusing and hard for a young horse to pick up the correct lead on a barrel, when you have her bent away from the barrel which encourages the opposite lead. I'd lope large left handed circles and put a barrel in the middle. Gradually making your circles smaller and smaller, then pushing out with your inside (left) leg to make the circle bigger, all while keeping her nose tipped towards the barrel and her rib cage rounded around your left leg. If she still isn't picking up her leads after you do that, slow back down. I'd transition down to a walk from a trot several times, remember to keep her nose pointed towards the barrel and your inside leg pushing her out. (This is the same on all barrels)
She seems to be swinging her rear end out too. I'd stop and back up, right as you reach the barrel, then press your inside (left) leg into her and tip her nose towards the barrel making her step over and around it. Make sure you sit deep in your seat on your turns. You leaning forward and slightly lifted from your seat is an encouragement to turn on her front end and swing her butt around.
I can't really see from a good enough angle on the first or the third barrel to really get an idea of whats going on, but this is the little issues I see. And someone else probably has said or mentioned it, I just didn't read through all the posts. :) |
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| Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing. |
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Location: Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-22 11:47 PM
Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing.
Get a good chiro to adjust her... That's the only way you'll really get everything all lined back up then do the massage...It'll help keep everything loose so it can heal and return to normal working form |
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| PiggyDog - 2013-09-22 11:52 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-22 11:47 PM
Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing.
Get a good chiro to adjust her... That's the only way you'll really get everything all lined back up then do the massage...It'll help keep everything loose so it can heal and return to normal working form
I've been told the only reason a bone is ever out is because of the tension the muscle holds on the bone. The massaging loosens everything and the bone along with stretching will all go back in naturally once no tension is left. I don't like pop and crunch I think it does more harm then good. I do however have a chiro who uses a human applicator(pretty sure thats what its called) and she also massages. |
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| Do you have access to a round pen where you can practice riding without reins? Just do it at a walk using your body and legs to move her. If you don't have a round pen you can have someone put you on a lunge line. Reins are not the steering wheel, your body is. Don't feel bad, my girls had weekly lessons from a trainer for 3 years before we realized something was missing. We switched to a new trainer and after one lesson she said I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but they need to go to the round pen. They stayed there for a month with no stirrups or reins learning to feel the horse and use their body- lessons never taught at the other place. I can't emphasize enough what a HUGH difference that made. Within 3 months I had friends tell me how much better the girls were riding and with the improvement they enjoyed it more and so did the horses. Here is a picture of my niece who wants to be a barrel racer. Her trainer said no barrels till she could lope bareback with no hands. It is all about balance in the saddle.
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Location: North Dakota | I read through some of the replies, but not quite all of them.
Mostly what I see is that your horse does not know how to use her body effectively. On the approach to the first barrel, her nose is in the air, she's evading the bit (throwing her nose too), she's kinda "diving" into the turn (although not necessarily dropping a shoulder). Second barrel she's got her nose cranked to the inside, but she doesn't really have the same bend in her body, and she's swinging her butt around and not using it properly. I feel that pictures speak a thousand words. Here's her body position when you are tryiing to make her circle the barrel 500 times.
She's learning nothing from your barrel practice, because she doesn't know how to use her body in the right way. (Or possibly, being cued wrong by you.) She looks like she's trying her darndest for you, but you aren't giving her much help.
No, your riding is not perfect. Understandable when you are coming back from an injury. But on that same token, if you can't ride effectively right now, you shouldn't be taking it out on your horse, making her do the barrels incorrectly because you can't ride up to par.
Honestly though, this looks like something that has been going on much longer that your injury. I think you need to forget about barrel racing on her right now. And instead, focus on getting her more broke. Work on getting her to use each part of her body effectively; especially her hind end. Work on getting bend all throughout her body, and not just artifically in her head/neck. Get her softer in the bit so she's not evading you. Use LEGS LEGS LEGS LEGS on her; less bit. You need to take the time to teach her to use her body effectively before you can expect her to do the barrel pattern effectively.
There may or may not be a soreness component to this. It might be that she just doesn't know how to use her body, or it might be that she's hurting. But why wait to find out? I understand that financial things happen that eat up your funds for the horses, but then (again) you shouldn't be forcing her to perform on the barrel pattern when you have not taken her to get checked by a good lameness vet. The same way if you can't ride effectively because of an injury, she shouldn't have to take the brunt of it because you're still healing.
It think there are some things you need to do here:
1) Ride only on straight lines until you can get YOUR body healed and back in riding shape.
2) Once your body is well and money allows, get your horse to the vet.
3) If there are no soreness issues, stay away from the barrels. Teach her to use her body effectively.
4) THEN...... many moons later ..... try the barrels again. (Keeping in mind that you've already created some bad habits on her pattern that will take time, and consistency to fix.) |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. |
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| cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 11:25 AM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help.
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Location: NC | cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM
Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help.
And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure.
Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez
Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke?
If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly. |
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| hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
You should probably go read the OP in the Loflin thread. That is what makes this post funny. She's dogging on a pro in that thread. She's certainly not acting professionally there. Honestly, I think the advice is truthful. Watch and learn, and possibly ask the pros questions, not tell them how to ride, when her riding needs work.
All people can use help and work...but to ask for assistance in one thread and then blow someone out of the water for their hard work in another is just dumb. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
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| I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry. |
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Location: NC | Nateracer - 2013-12-09 12:58 PM
hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
All people can use help and work...but to ask for assistance in one thread and then blow someone out of the water for their hard work in another is just dumb.
That's why I said 'and this makes you better than her how?'
Saying someone is a horrible person for bashing someone's riding, and then searching trough all threads for a reason to bash that person is petty, childish, and just plain crazy. Who has THAT much time to resurrect a 3 month old thread just to make a hateful comment?
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:19 PM
I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry.
Good luck with your horses. The pros are normally extremely willing to give advice if you are willing to listen. Never give up. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | This made me chuckle. Mainly because someone isn't allowed to apologize and actually be left alone about it. Its mind numbing sometimes. Cyber bickering is pathetic. |
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| Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse. |
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| spitzh - 2013-12-09 1:34 PM
Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse.
I dont knowbwhat happened to the video.... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbuqonCbBM. I have this one. This was after a month of training and only in a O'ring.... Ground was muddy too so she couldnt really grab....... |
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Location: Oregon | This entire thing is both horrifying and amusing. Get you some lessons, girl. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 1:45 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 1:34 PM
Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse.
I dont knowbwhat happened to the video.... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbuqonCbBM. I have this one. This was after a month of training and only in a O'ring.... Ground was muddy too so she couldnt really grab.......
The only thing I have to say about that video is that you really need to start getting after her when she trips! When she trips she's not really trying to pick her self up, she just about fell on her nose on that third and that's dangerous for you and her. Start using the fence and do roll backs so she'll learn to use her butt and how to move her front feet around. if she stumbles I would over-n-under her once and make her move out that way when she trips she'll try extra hard to stay up on her feet and catch her self instead of allowing herself to almost go down. Your riding looks a lot better than before! keep up the good progress. |
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| From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that. |
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| spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go. I changed her bit, to a butterfly bit. My trainer thought she was to sensitive for a lot of shank or gag action and so did I. She's got first barrel down, but when she goes to second, she think she knows the game. So we are working on tons of rating, backing and getting on her hindend, moving her shoulder over like she told me to do.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:19 PM I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry.
I saw that.
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Location: Oregon | Why would you even try to lope her through the barrels in slippery mud when she's that green? That's a good way to get hurt, get her hurt or at the very least make her lose any confidence she might have. |
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| crapshooter - 2013-12-09 2:14 PM
Why would you even try to lope her through the barrels in slippery mud when she's that green? That's a good way to get hurt, get her hurt or at the very least make her lose any confidence she might have.
My trainer trusted the ground.... We were loping circles and she wasn't slipping or anything.... Just around the barrels was a little thick. I wont defend myself, because you are probably right. But I trust my trainer....... |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways :), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed. |
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| JRC - 2013-12-09 2:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways : ), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed.
Get after her?? Like how so? This was the 5/6 time we had been working it and she was getting frazzled, my trainer told me that was one of the better runs and to quit on that one so we did. |
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Location: Oregon | I would not get after her for tripping, I think that's bad advice. I think it's good advice to work her on better ground though. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:23 PM
JRC - 2013-12-09 2:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:13 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 2:09 PM
From what I see..... She does look sore somewhere. The stumbling around the barrels would be a red flag for soreness just because she did it more than once. It looks like she grabs the bit and hangs on when you turn the barrels. I think she needs to go back to the basics, she needs to be softened up in the ribs and face. If you trot or lope a circle try to give and take pressure on the reins...... Holding the reins solid will create alot of bad habits. You want your horse to respond to the slightest rein and leg pressure not resist it. I think you posting a video on here takes alot of nerve and i give you credit for that.
You don't think it could just be the slippy mud going around?? This was after a month of training, she got her very soft to the bit etc. She got her farther then I did, she's better when she rides her. I am just trying to figure out how to accommodate her. She's rough to ride and gets hot easily. But likes to go.
To me...you didn't ask me but i'm going to tell anyways : ), it wasn't the ground, she was tripping over her own feet! pushing against the bit, not paying attention to you, and getting strung out. like I said in the previous post I made, if I were you I would carry an over-n-under and get after her when she trips like that. That can be dangerous for you and her when she doesn't try to catch herself in a fall. Work the fence and make her get to movin on her hind end and moving those front feet. Start out slow and work up to a faster speed.
Get after her?? Like how so? This was the 5/6 time we had been working it and she was getting frazzled, my trainer told me that was one of the better runs and to quit on that one so we did.
What mean is when she trips like that(grant it, for you it might be hard because your learning like she is) I would over-n-under her once or carry a small quirk and give her a good healthy tap with it so that she will try harder to place her feet and not trip and when she does she'll try even harder to pick herself up. she about went clean to her nose on that third barrel when she tripped. it's ok if for some reason my horses trip but they better try with all there might to catch them selves and pick themselves up. I think the reason she is tripping is because she's to focused on fighting the bit around that turn and she's getting strung out. If you try just rating her and giving short taps with your inside rein instead of a constant pressure it might keep her from leaning into the bit and getting front heavy. Working the fence will help too because she won't be able to lean into the bit because she'll get a mouth full of fence. she'll have to use her hind end and move her front feet around. I bet you would only have to get on to her a couple of times when she trips and she'll understand that she needs to pay attention to her feet and try a little harder to catch herself.
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Location: Oregon | That's just wrong to blame (and punish) the horse for being strung out and tripping when she's working on slick ground with an inexperienced rider.
Also the rider isn't going to have the experience or timing to know when or how to get after the horse.
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| I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 2:40 PM
I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
Everything takes time and everyone has their own way of doing things. Just go through this thread, there's a lot of good advice amongst the negative nancy's on here. Good luck and for what it's worth you have gotten a lot better in your riding! |
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Location: Oregon | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:40 PM I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
You can't train a horse to do something you don't know how to do or what it should feel like. That's not an insult or being negative that's just common sense. As you get more experienced you will be able to train a horse to move like it should so it won't get all strung out and trip. For this you need feel and timing and there is no way to get that without experience. So keep riding and getting experienced help and you will develop the skills you need to train a barrel horse. Everything you do to that horse is teaching it something, good or bad. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | crapshooter - 2013-12-09 2:27 PM I would not get after her for tripping, I think that's bad advice. I think it's good advice to work her on better ground though.
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Location: NC | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 3:40 PM
I am inexperienced around barrels with this horse..... My other mare I am not, she's much smoother and easier to ride. I have had the mare in the video for 4 years coming up in April, she was green broke when I got her and I have tried my best to make her a great mare and she's really become one. She's just not for beginners, at all. She is one to take advantage if you give her one shred of thought that she can. She isn't and easy horse, but she's mine and I wouldn't give her up. She and I are still getting acclimated on the barrels together, both learning, which probably isn' the best way to go. Trainer told me she's come a lot farther and is better. But she still has a LOT to work on. I wont deny I can't ride her very well in barrels, because I just can't yet. But we are working on it.
Don't learn on a horse that is learning too. Take if from me. Been there, done that. All it causes is frustrations for both the horse AND rider and possibly ruining a very good horse. Not on purpose, but over time, bad habits are started, things get worse, etc etc.
I tried to learn barrels on my grade mare who I was totally in love with. Well we got to a point where I was ready to move on, and she just wasn't moving on with me. So I moved to a finished, seasoned barrel horse and WOW. The things you learn on a horse that does everything right is amazing. No, my gelding is FAR from being automatic. If you don't work, he won't work. So you have to be on your game, which makes for a great teacher.
We've knocked a lot of barrels, made a lot of mistakes, but if he starts slacking off, my trainer/husband tunes him up, gets on me for being lazy/stupid, then we get back to where we were.
You NEED to be TAUGHT before you can TEACH. Get on a good, experienced horse. Learn everything you can. Send the mare to a trainer, or work with her under a trainer, AFTER you ride an experienced horse for a good long time.
A horse & rider cannot learn together. A green horse can't teach a green rider. |
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