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Location: Kansas | My finished mare has fibrotic myopathy in her back left hip. While I know it doesn't bother her, it seems as though the more I run her, the shorter her step in with that hind left leg. I'm giving her the winter off, but I have a friend who just recently purchased a theraplate, and I'm thinking of hauling into her place a few times a week and use it on my mare. Would something like this work for her? Or would shockwave be the best for her?
Looking at different options to make her more comfortable :)
My blue roan mare also has scar on her right hip that gets puffy, hott, and sore when she is ridden. I'm wondering if theraplate/shockwave would work for her as well. Thanks! |
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Location: Sperry, OK | There is a surgery they can do for that.. They cut through the scar tissue with a 1-2" cut in the hamstring muscles, letting it heal. this allows that muscle to stretch farther, allowing the leg to take a larger step. Most horses return to normal use in 3-4 weeks. |
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Location: Kansas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2013-11-08 2:20 PM There is a surgery they can do for that.. They cut through the scar tissue with a 1-2" cut in the hamstring muscles, letting it heal. this allows that muscle to stretch farther, allowing the leg to take a larger step. Most horses return to normal use in 3-4 weeks.
I was told by the vet who would preform the surgery it would cause her to worsen over time, sometimes it would only take months. Kind of don't want to spend $1,200 on the surgery and then end up with a completely lamed out horse within a few months because that scar tissue grew back |
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Location: Sperry, OK | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-11-08 2:24 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2013-11-08 2:20 PM There is a surgery they can do for that.. They cut through the scar tissue with a 1-2" cut in the hamstring muscles, letting it heal. this allows that muscle to stretch farther, allowing the leg to take a larger step. Most horses return to normal use in 3-4 weeks. I was told by the vet who would preform the surgery it would cause her to worsen over time, sometimes it would only take months. Kind of don't want to spend $1,200 on the surgery and then end up with a completely lamed out horse within a few months because that scar tissue grew back
That is strange.. we did several of them when I worked at a vet clinic.. all were greatly improved and we never saw them again for that issue! |
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| Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. |
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Location: Kansas | readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 3:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall.
Ok I'll look into the BOT blanket. What about a PHT? I was actually saving up to buy one LOL, and she has 24/7 turnout. Her and the other mares are always tearing through the pasture, so she gets alot of exercise, just hoping theraplate would help! Thanks! |
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall.
No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with. |
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Location: Panama City, FL | i dont have any experience with the imjury the OP mentioned, but they were doing Theraplate Demos at the barrel race i was at last weekend... i put my horse on it for 20 min and he was SO relaxed but focused when i got back on him. he fell asleep at the trailer after, which he NEVER does. i wasnt sure at first but that alone made me a believer. |
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| trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
Yes I have a respond laser if that's what your asking. And I have a Theraplate. Sorry if you have a problem with that. I think they are both great products. I use them every day on horses. And I know they would help the original posters horse. |
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 7:50 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
eta: for instance, explain to us how a Theraplate is going to help with a localized fibrotic myopathy?
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Location: Kansas | trickster j - 2013-11-08 10:01 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 7:50 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
eta: for instance, explain to us how a Theraplate is going to help with a localized fibrotic myopathy?
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-11-08 10:44 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 10:01 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 7:50 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
eta: for instance, explain to us how a Theraplate is going to help with a localized fibrotic myopathy?woah hold on trickster.......it was just a question i had since im unfamiliar with both. I got a second opinion from another vet who said her case wasnt bad just the slight slapping of the hind, i ran at a race a few weekends ago and it seemed likensje was shortening her step a bit, but my saddle was pinching her. Im looking more for something that will bebfit her along with her chiro work to make her more comfortable. I guess im just afraid to get the surgery done on her for fear she could be in that 50% where it makes the muopathy worse. She has full range of movement and still runs good at races and rodeos. Just a comfort thing i want for her. The lafy who has the theraplate is only 15 miles from my property so thats definitely an option i have available if it would benefit her. As well as my blue roan mare. Im open to all suggestions! And please excuse my spelling, im on my cell and its acting up!!
It would be great if you could experiment with the Theraplate and your horses condition! Sounds like it is easily accesible to you, and it sure isn't going to make it worse- so I think you should go for it, and then keep us updated on how it progresses. I would still like to know how a Theraplate is going to help in this case, so if readytorodeo knows, I would love to hear! No harm in that, is there? |
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| trickster j - 2013-11-09 8:10 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2013-11-08 10:44 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 10:01 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 7:50 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
eta: for instance, explain to us how a Theraplate is going to help with a localized fibrotic myopathy?woah hold on trickster.......it was just a question i had since im unfamiliar with both. I got a second opinion from another vet who said her case wasnt bad just the slight slapping of the hind, i ran at a race a few weekends ago and it seemed likensje was shortening her step a bit, but my saddle was pinching her. Im looking more for something that will bebfit her along with her chiro work to make her more comfortable. I guess im just afraid to get the surgery done on her for fear she could be in that 50% where it makes the muopathy worse. She has full range of movement and still runs good at races and rodeos. Just a comfort thing i want for her. The lafy who has the theraplate is only 15 miles from my property so thats definitely an option i have available if it would benefit her. As well as my blue roan mare. Im open to all suggestions! And please excuse my spelling, im on my cell and its acting up!!
I'm not uneducated, but sounds like you are. I have used the laser for years. The Theraplate for not as long. Don't say things about people unless you know them. |
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| The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. |
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 7:21 AM trickster j - 2013-11-09 8:10 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-11-08 10:44 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 10:01 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 7:50 PM trickster j - 2013-11-08 5:07 PM readytorodeo - 2013-11-08 2:42 PM Yes a Theraplate would help. She wouldk greatly improve. You might also try a BOT blanket. I would make sure she had room to exercise as opposed to being in a stall. No respond laser this time??
If it is serious, I'd do the surgery and follow up with laser treatments- just get it done and over with.
eta: for instance, explain to us how a Theraplate is going to help with a localized fibrotic myopathy?woah hold on trickster.......it was just a question i had since im unfamiliar with both. I got a second opinion from another vet who said her case wasnt bad just the slight slapping of the hind, i ran at a race a few weekends ago and it seemed likensje was shortening her step a bit, but my saddle was pinching her. Im looking more for something that will bebfit her along with her chiro work to make her more comfortable. I guess im just afraid to get the surgery done on her for fear she could be in that 50% where it makes the muopathy worse. She has full range of movement and still runs good at races and rodeos. Just a comfort thing i want for her. The lafy who has the theraplate is only 15 miles from my property so thats definitely an option i have available if it would benefit her. As well as my blue roan mare. Im open to all suggestions! And please excuse my spelling, im on my cell and its acting up!! I'm not uneducated, but sounds like you are. I have used the laser for years. The Theraplate for not as long. Don't say things about people unless you know them.
eta: And maybe if you'd put your name in your profile I would know you- hard to know anyone around here when they choose to hide behind a screen name-
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 7:26 AM The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. Ok- one more, than I promise I'll stay out of your road and let you carry on.
A fibrotic myopathy is a wad of scar tissue- it is not a muscle, blood flow can not enter it. Even though the Theraplate can cause muscles to contract and release, (muscles contract to resist vibration, and then release when the vibration stops, which causes blood flow to begin to circulate back into the tissues that had been held in contraction), it won't affect the scar tissue at all. Which is why surgery, or shock-wave is used to break up the adhesion. This is good to follow up (always) with laser therapy.
eta: to the OP, you asked for opinions on the Theraplate and scar tissue- I have given you mine, and also tried to steer you away from some misinformation. Honestly, if you want to try the Theraplate, just try it- don't come on asking for opinions and then get crabby when they are offered.
K- that's it- I will say no more!
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 8:26 AM
The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also.
How does muscle contraction help with disolving scar tissue?
ETA: sorry didn't see Trickster had already asked that question
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I dont' know the answer to your question, but for the OP, you contradicted yourself severely in your post. You said it didn't bother her, but then talked about how it did. Kudos for you though for wanting to find a way to help her! You are getting some good advice. I am not familiar enough with the condition to even consider offering any. |
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-09 8:56 AM readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 8:26 AM The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. How does muscle contraction help with disolving scar tissue? ETA: sorry didn't see Trickster had already asked that question
Scar tissue is tight and thick. The stretching and contracting action of the Theraplate will help dissolve the scar tissue. Plus it relaxes the muscles. And with the increase of blood flow it helps injuries to heal. I have used it on scar tissue on my own mare and have seen a decrease in the scar tissue and increase of flexibility and stride.
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 9:19 AM
DD2012 - 2013-11-09 8:56 AM readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 8:26 AM The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. How does muscle contraction help with disolving scar tissue? ETA: sorry didn't see Trickster had already asked that question
so you don't know.
I'm not saying it will or it won't and I happen to own a TP(long story but I got tired of arguing about it) but have offered zero clinical or practical explanations of how or why it will work.
Nothing but brochure claims and anecdotal evidence. What Trickster is/was trying to point out is if you are going to pimp something you need to know how, why and for what it will work.
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| Not trying to pimp anything. I own one. I know what it has done for my mare. If you don't like yours or are not satisfied with it, then sell it. I'm not going to argue with you. This thread is getting ridiculous and there is no need to attack people, because you don't agree with them. This is the reason a lot of people won't post on here. |
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| readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 9:34 AM
Not trying to pimp anything. I own one. I know what it has done for my mare. If you don't like yours or are not satisfied with it, then sell it. I'm not going to argue with you. This thread is getting ridiculous and there is no need to attack people, because you don't agree with them. This is the reason a lot of people won't post on here.
I'm far from attacking you. I simply asked for some form of quantifiable proof or evidence of the claims you are/were making.
If you want to get right down to it, I would make the assertion that your unsubstantiated claims are far more egregious than my asking for proof of such claims. |
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| I know what results I have seen with my mare. I know it works. If you want the scientific proof, then call the company. They will be happy to provide the data. If you did not see any results then I'm sorry . I use it in conjunction with the respond laser. Every horse is different. If I didn't believe in it, believe me I wouldn't have one and I sure wouldn't get up early and put her on it before I go to work.
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| The company is not the one on this web site that is claiming the product will cure everything from brain cancer to syphilis, you are.
And the fact that you can not or will not recognize how irresponsible those claims are is amazing to me.
Heck, I enjoy a good scotch a couple of two or three times a week, and anecdotal evidence supports, that it in fact does make me a genius and a fantastic lover. But it would be irresponsible of me to suggest that others do the same and that they will see the same results.
eta: Before you, RTR, or anyone else accuses me of being a big ole meany poopy head. Being that this is an electronic medium and there is no way to express tone or emotion. I am not being mean, just attempting to make a point.
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| I'm not saying that. I'm just know what worked for my mare. If you don't like it, I'm sorry. Sounds like to me you have something against the Theraplate or laser. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. The OP wanted opinions, I gave mine, your entitled to yours. I don't have time or want to argue with stupid people. |
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| I'm not claiming anything. Theraplate works and so does the respond laser. Every horse is different, what works on one won't work on Another. I have had good results with both. The OP wanted an opinion. I gave mine and you are free to give yours. You wanted the scientific data, I told you where to get it. Sorry you didn't have results. But you have to be willing to take the time to use it. And I have proof, my vet. Now go have you that drink and chill out. |
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Location: Kansas | trickster j - 2013-11-09 8:44 AM
readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 7:26 AM The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. Ok- one more, than I promise I'll stay out of your road and let you carry on.
A fibrotic myopathy is a wad of scar tissue- it is not a muscle, blood flow can not enter it. Even though the Theraplate can cause muscles to contract and release, (muscles contract to resist vibration, and then release when the vibration stops, which causes blood flow to begin to circulate back into the tissues that had been held in contraction), it won't affect the scar tissue at all. Which is why surgery, or shock-wave is used to break up the adhesion. This is good to follow up (always) with laser therapy.
eta: to the OP, you asked for opinions on the Theraplate and scar tissue- I have given you mine, and also tried to steer you away from some misinformation. Honestly, if you want to try the Theraplate, just try it- don't come on asking for opinions and then get crabby when they are offered.
K- that's it- I will say no more!
guess i dont understand where im getting crabby? Ok? I also asked about shockwave, which is something ive looked at as a possibility. I was in no way shape or form gettimg crabby or defensive. I stated in my original post about opinions on both. If theraplate wont benefit my mare than im not going to waste my time. Id rather haul her down to a vet and do shockwave if that is something that will be the best for her. |
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| I have never used Shockwave. My mare had scar tissue. The Theraplate did help break it up. My vet reccomended it. It has helped my mare. Again every horse is different . I gave you my opinion and have been called uneducated and told that I didn't know what I was doing. Don't understand why some people get on here and attack people verbally. |
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| I wish people where not so touchie on here. I know what theraplate is but do not understand how it works, i understand and have read studies on the laser. But themtheraplate make me think about the thing theynsold in the 60's for weight loss with the vibration thing and strap around your rear. I quietly stood on whatever brand that was at the world and i,have ra was hurting stood on machine for the 10 minutes justmfelt a little relax. Just cant understand concept. They had posted where they had done studies on theraplate but did not have then there. One of my friends did the same thing and she said she really did not feel different. I see the studies on the back on track and magnets have been around for,a llong time and some horses like them and some dont. I put some hock magnetic boots on him and he went crazy never expected that took 4 people to,get those boots off. |
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| I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON ALL THE REASONS WHY A THERAPLATE WORKS ON SCAR TISSUE BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT DOES I HAVE A GELDING THAT INJURED HIMSELF WACKED HIS HIP ON A GATE ENDED UP TEARING SOME MUSCLE GOT A WAD OF TISSUE ON IT AND ALSO TORE HIS SI LIGAMENT WE DID ALOT OF XRAYS AND SCANS ETC. TRIED SOME OSTEOPATHY WORK AND OTHER COSTLY PROCEDURES WITH NO IMPROVEMENT FINALLY I BOUGHT A SET OF THERAPLATES AND TOOK HIM BACK AFTER USING THEM FOR 6 WEEKS 3X DAILY FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MY VET BECAME A BELIEVER - SCAR TISSUE WE CANT EVEN FEEL IT LET ALONE SEE IT ANY MORE SI IS MOVING PROPERLY- IT TOOK A WHILE BUT I AM FINALLY RUNNING HIM AGAIN AND HE IS DOING AWESOME JUST GOT A 2D CHECK ON HIS 3RD RUN BACK WITH 280 BARREL RACERS SO I TOO AM A BELIEVER IN THE THERAPLATES - I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY WORK BUT THEY DO |
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| My trainer has one and she is doing a study and will have actual results on a horse with a torn suspensory. The horse was ultrasounded and showed the hole. He has been treated on the Theraplate and will go back to the vet to be ultasounded again Nov 19. Results of this type are verified by a vet. She will have more than just this one study but has not has the Theraplate long.
She will be set up at the Gobbleup the Cash in Marshall TX so you can form your own opinion. She bought a human one and a massager. Personally, that foot thing was feeling pretty good can't speak for the horse.
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Location: Southern IL somewhere between KY and MO | I am going to invest in a theraplate for my guys I became a believer when we put my Cash horse on it before I ran and OMG talk about a totally different horse he was amazing. |
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Location: Huffman, Texas | this may be off topic as i forgot what the original question exactly was however, i have been having trouble with my knees hurting and feeling really stiff, when i got to Perry and with all the riding and walking it really put a damper on them, i got on the Theraplate, the 2 x 2 for 20 minutes for a few days, what a difference it made, i dont know all the logistics and analogy for it, all i knew was i was able to walk and nearly run with no problems, my folks had a hard time keeping up with me..i bought it and it now resides in my living room and i love it.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 9:19 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-09 8:56 AM readytorodeo - 2013-11-09 8:26 AM The Theraplate will help. It causes the muscles to contract and then they release. Speeds blood flow also. Inflamation also. How does muscle contraction help with disolving scar tissue? ETA: sorry didn't see Trickster had already asked that question
I don't know enough about this to say whether or not it works. My guess is it probably does make some horses feel better, but I think it's probably a stretch to say that it helps to "dissolve" scar tissue. That's a little along the lines of a diet pill that dissolves fat....a so-called "fat burning" pill. There is no such thing. |
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My two cents is shockwave is very different than theraplate. I have had shockwave done on Grasshopper and if Lilly was a candidate for it from her surgery she would be getting it done too.
Some things I can go along with without some serious concrete eveidence but sometimes I need a lot more proof. This is one of those times. For now, the lazer, hydrotherapy, and PHT magnets will have to do (yes I do believe in alternative therapies, just not all of them). |
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| Honeymoney - 2013-11-12 10:41 PM
My trainer has one and she is doing a study and will have actual results on a horse with a torn suspensory. The horse was ultrasounded and showed the hole. He has been treated on the Theraplate and will go back to the vet to be ultasounded again Nov 19. Results of this type are verified by a vet. She will have more than just this one study but has not has the Theraplate long.
She will be set up at the Gobbleup the Cash in Marshall TX so you can form your own opinion. She bought a human one and a massager. Personally, that foot thing was feeling pretty good can't speak for the horse.
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