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Location: Quinlan, TX | Looks like im going to have to invest in some shin guards.....well actually I think I need knee guards!! I bought a new horse two weeks ago and have brought him to two barrel races so far. And both he has hit the second barrel in 4 out of 5 runs. Its hard for me to explain how he runs/turns but I can try. He is a BIG boy....16.2 maybe 16.3. He has an awesome 1st and 3rd.....but that second he gets coming off the back side. And he gets so low that the top of my knee is what keeps getting hit. I swaer I think he is trying to rip my knee cap off....lol. I wish I could upload video of me running him. I even went as far as to try him the the left and we still plowed over that barrel.....but second and third were great!! He "snakes" around the barrels and has so much power coming off of them that maybe Im just behind him. I know its going to take me some time to learn how to ride him, but I may not have a knee left by that time!! Im used to my very automatic NEVER hits a barrel mare (who has ringbone, hence why I bought another horse) No question really.....just venting......thanks for reading!! Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!!
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Location: Beggs, OK | I thought one of mine was too, until I finally listened to the previous owner about how to ride him. His style was so different from what I was used to! He was a big guy as well and you had to bump him with your inside foot all the way to the 2nd and 3rd barrels and he would literally wrap his body around them....lf you tried to hold him off he just dove at them that much harder. He was amazingly easy to ride once I gave over and rode him the way he was trained. |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-11-15 2:33 PM Was he advertised as a barrel hitter?
I bought him from a girl that had him in on consignment. She really only new a little about him. But I fell in love the first time I rode him. Im not upset at all of the fact that he is hitting barrels.....it comes with the territory....lol. Just used to my mare that never hits.....he is just so different to ride. Im sure it is all me!! |
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Location: Nashvegas | no fun and ouch!! I think I read once from one of the NFR ladies (sorry can't remember who) that if they are hitting on the back side, you are giving too much room on the front. When riding those horses you need to send them right at the barrel and not give too much room on the front side of the barrel. |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | rachellyn80 - 2013-11-15 2:41 PM I thought one of mine was too, until I finally listened to the previous owner about how to ride him. His style was so different from what I was used to! He was a big guy as well and you had to bump him with your inside foot all the way to the 2nd and 3rd barrels and he would literally wrap his body around them....lf you tried to hold him off he just dove at them that much harder. He was amazingly easy to ride once I gave over and rode him the way he was trained.
Thats sounds exactly like him!! I don't really have anyone to tell me how to ride him though. So Ill just keep playing around until I figure it out I guess. But I did notice he dove harder into it the more I tried to keep him off it. I need to try bumping him and see how that works. I tried pushing him past an extra step but I just about came out of the saddle because of how hard he turns!! Definately gotta get me a deeper seated saddle now!! |
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Location: North Dakota | I bought quite a few barrels this summer until I learned about the ride them right at the second tip!
Buy some of these:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tarmac-Knee-and-Wrist-Guards-Combo-Pack-Adult/26827411
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cwgrl536 - 2013-11-15 3:48 PM no fun and ouch!! I think I read once from one of the NFR ladies (sorry can't remember who) that if they are hitting on the back side, you are giving too much room on the front. When riding those horses you need to send them right at the barrel and not give too much room on the front side of the barrel.
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Location: Quinlan, TX | cwgrl536 - 2013-11-15 2:48 PM no fun and ouch!! I think I read once from one of the NFR ladies (sorry can't remember who) that if they are hitting on the back side, you are giving too much room on the front. When riding those horses you need to send them right at the barrel and not give too much room on the front side of the barrel.
I noticed last night going around the third after going left first I gave him more pocket going into it and he almost ended up on top of it. I didn't intentionally give him more.....I think I confused him by going left first. BUT he did it with no hesitation. When I get home I will see if I can upload the videos from last night. You all will just need to turn down the volume, unless you want a good laugh.....my 9 and 11 yr olds were recording....or you can check them out on facebook..... Chrissy Austin Fouse. I have the one run I didn't hit any barrels loaded so far. Ill be posting the others in a couple of hours. |
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Location: Kansas | Sounds to me like you just need to "adapt" to his style. Learn how he moves around the barrels, when you need to set him up and how far from the barrel so you don't hit it.
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Location: Texas | Slow work... Ride him straight to the barrel 2 handed the whole way with no hesitation. By you saying he is a barrel hitter and going in the arena pretty much prepared to hit that barrel then yes, you will hit the barrel. Don't psych yourself out. When you do slow work really make sure he is being responsive and don't let him get close to the back side of the barrel. When running him you can also try using a bat whip and pop with it right before you get to the barrel. Sounds like you are gonna need to ride pretty aggressive. |
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Location: Great NW | That is an easy fix. He is losing momentum in the turn. Keep your inside foot on him longer and keep riding all the way around the corner. Do not quite. keep his feet moving - no hesitations. he sounds like FUN FUN FUN |
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Location: MD | Trust me, I have a big 16.2 HH sucker with a monster rollback style. I understand. Never back off the gas! Even if you have to bump, or set him, keep that inside foot on him while you do it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My boy hits barrels leaving if I try to help him finish his turns. I have to stay in turn mode until we're clear, just guide a little and hustle. I've always had horses that needed outside foot and rein to help them finish, so it's been a hard lesson to learn. I tend to want to look back too quick for him, which puts me in the wrong position to keep him round. |
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Location: NE Pa-Gods Country | several years ago i also had a 16.1 hand boy....he taught me to let him pick his own pocket. he went in about 5 ft did a perfect 2 pt in and out....if i moved him out he only came in that much closer on the back side....only took me aabout 2 months to figure him out....1D ---2x National NBHA Champion. |
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Location: Texas! | daisycake123 - 2013-11-15 6:07 PM
HE IS WHAT I CALL AM OVER WORKER! A BARREL HITTER IS ONE WHO DROPS SHOULDER AND BREAKES YOU LEG? There are several ways to fix am over worker but speed is your friend and momentium is your friend.
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Does your horse run like that? He is a big boy also and dives down at second. I usually hit if he has too big of a pocket and always have to hold my rein on his neck just to hold him up a little bit. You can see in the video he slips coming off the 3rd because he powers off so hard. He also will throw you up on his ears if you are not holding. Dont worry I always say it takes a good year to get with a new horse...
Here is my first run on him.. such a bad run..
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Location: Quinlan, TX | Thanks everyone for all the input!! I'm definitely going to put it to the test. It has been a very long time since I have been on anything of this caliber. He wants to run and I'm holding him back.....a few of yall said speed is my friend? I'm just gonna have to suck it up and let him go and see what happens!! Ill keep u posted!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Have you ever seen this horse run befor you got him? |
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Location: TEXAS | My son purchased a mare that did the same thing ~ after months of riding her we figured out if he drives her hard all the way (never sitting up and preparing her for the turn) she doesn't attempt to hit it ~ it's a different riding style for him also he had to suck it up and trust her so he now hustles her all the way into that barrel sitting hard into the saddle at the last possible second... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I was wondering how this horse worked for the other owners, if he was not hitting barrels and now with you I would be taking some lessons to get with him befor I would be running him anymore, I would slow myself down and find out how this horse works befor he picks up on some bad habits. Please dont take this at picking at you, I would want to find out more about him befor I made any more runs |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-16 12:50 PM I was wondering how this horse worked for the other owners, if he was not hitting barrels and now with you I would be taking some lessons to get with him befor I would be running him anymore, I would slow myself down and find out how this horse works befor he picks up on some bad habits. Please dont take this at picking at you, I would want to find out more about him befor I made any more runs
Oh and BTW.....I didnt think you were picking.....I posted to get input and advice and thats what you gave me!! Thanks!!
ETA: Let my 13 yr old ride him yesterday.....even if I don't figure him out he is worth his weight in gold!! He is a really good boy!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | chrissyfouse - 2013-11-18 9:34 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-16 12:50 PM I was wondering how this horse worked for the other owners, if he was not hitting barrels and now with you I would be taking some lessons to get with him befor I would be running him anymore, I would slow myself down and find out how this horse works befor he picks up on some bad habits. Please dont take this at picking at you, I would want to find out more about him befor I made any more runs
Oh and BTW.....I didnt think you were picking.....I posted to get input and advice and thats what you gave me!! Thanks!!
ETA: Let my 13 yr old ride him yesterday.....even if I don't figure him out he is worth his weight in gold!! He is a really good boy!!
Sounds like hes got a forever home with you I would just do lots of trail riding on him and just take him slow on barrels, troting, loping untill you get him figured out, just get use to him befor you make another run on him, I have one out here that I just poke along on, trying to figure out where all his buttons are, you have fun get yout knee caps healed up, you will get with him |
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Location: Utah | Don't let your approach to the second be to wide. You mentioned you did that on the third when you went left first. Move your pocket in so he has the room need to complete the turn on the back side. Been there on my own horse lately.
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Location: Haslet, Texas | I have nothing to add but just wanted to say how refreshing it is to read a post where the OP is actually very nice and responsive to the advice given out. Even though you didn't say "help me fix this" some really great tips were handed out from some gals with knowledge. You will do good with him because you want to learn how and don't offer excuses as to why you can't. |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | hwh - 2013-11-18 2:25 PM I have nothing to add but just wanted to say how refreshing it is to read a post where the OP is actually very nice and responsive to the advice given out. Even though you didn't say "help me fix this" some really great tips were handed out from some gals with knowledge. You will do good with him because you want to learn how and don't offer excuses as to why you can't.
Awe thanks!! I am more of a creeper than poster!! LOL!! But I really do appreciate all the advice. I respect everyone on this board.....I learn something new everytime I log on!!  |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-18 8:46 AM chrissyfouse - 2013-11-18 9:34 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-16 12:50 PM I was wondering how this horse worked for the other owners, if he was not hitting barrels and now with you I would be taking some lessons to get with him befor I would be running him anymore, I would slow myself down and find out how this horse works befor he picks up on some bad habits. Please dont take this at picking at you, I would want to find out more about him befor I made any more runs
Oh and BTW.....I didnt think you were picking.....I posted to get input and advice and thats what you gave me!! Thanks!!
ETA: Let my 13 yr old ride him yesterday.....even if I don't figure him out he is worth his weight in gold!! He is a really good boy!!
Yep he sure does unless he turns out to be a complete idiot....but its been two weeks and nothing. Even my shoer had nothing but good things to say about him today after she put a set of shoes on him!! |
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Location: Quinlan, TX | ana - 2013-11-18 2:07 PM Don't let your approach to the second be to wide. You mentioned you did that on the third when you went left first. Move your pocket in so he has the room need to complete the turn on the back side. Been there on my own horse lately.
Good luck. Glad to hear you are not giving up.
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| chrissyfouse - 2013-11-15 3:30 PM Looks like im going to have to invest in some shin guards.....well actually I think I need knee guards!! I bought a new horse two weeks ago and have brought him to two barrel races so far. And both he has hit the second barrel in 4 out of 5 runs. Its hard for me to explain how he runs/turns but I can try. He is a BIG boy....16.2 maybe 16.3. He has an awesome 1st and 3rd.....but that second he gets coming off the back side. And he gets so low that the top of my knee is what keeps getting hit. I swaer I think he is trying to rip my knee cap off....lol. I wish I could upload video of me running him. I even went as far as to try him the the left and we still plowed over that barrel.....but second and third were great!! He "snakes" around the barrels and has so much power coming off of them that maybe Im just behind him. I know its going to take me some time to learn how to ride him, but I may not have a knee left by that time!! Im used to my very automatic NEVER hits a barrel mare (who has ringbone, hence why I bought another horse ) No question really.....just venting......thanks for reading!! Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!!
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Location: Quinlan, TX | gunsnhorses - 2013-11-18 4:16 PM I bought my new mare (after my gelding passed away in December ) in March and have just now starting having clean runs. She is an extreme push style compared to my old gelding that was automatic. It took me 6 months and finally trying to push her past the barrel (which didn't work! LOL ) figure her out. If I try to go slower on her, I hit barrels all day long. I have to push her hard! I am proud to say that we placed in the 2D in both of my runs last weekend. : ) Better than our no times and 4D! Not that 4D is bad, I just knew she could give me more!
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Location: Quinlan, TX | kmcsunshine - 2013-11-18 6:28 PM chrissyfouse - 2013-11-15 3:30 PM Looks like im going to have to invest in some shin guards.....well actually I think I need knee guards!! I bought a new horse two weeks ago and have brought him to two barrel races so far. And both he has hit the second barrel in 4 out of 5 runs. Its hard for me to explain how he runs/turns but I can try. He is a BIG boy....16.2 maybe 16.3. He has an awesome 1st and 3rd.....but that second he gets coming off the back side. And he gets so low that the top of my knee is what keeps getting hit. I swaer I think he is trying to rip my knee cap off....lol. I wish I could upload video of me running him. I even went as far as to try him the the left and we still plowed over that barrel.....but second and third were great!! He "snakes" around the barrels and has so much power coming off of them that maybe Im just behind him. I know its going to take me some time to learn how to ride him, but I may not have a knee left by that time!! Im used to my very automatic NEVER hits a barrel mare (who has ringbone, hence why I bought another horse ) No question really.....just venting......thanks for reading!! Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!!
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| chrissyfouse - 2013-11-15 3:30 PM Looks like im going to have to invest in some shin guards.....well actually I think I need knee guards!! I bought a new horse two weeks ago and have brought him to two barrel races so far. And both he has hit the second barrel in 4 out of 5 runs. Its hard for me to explain how he runs/turns but I can try. He is a BIG boy....16.2 maybe 16.3. He has an awesome 1st and 3rd.....but that second he gets coming off the back side. And he gets so low that the top of my knee is what keeps getting hit. I swaer I think he is trying to rip my knee cap off....lol. I wish I could upload video of me running him. I even went as far as to try him the the left and we still plowed over that barrel.....but second and third were great!! He "snakes" around the barrels and has so much power coming off of them that maybe Im just behind him. I know its going to take me some time to learn how to ride him, but I may not have a knee left by that time!! Im used to my very automatic NEVER hits a barrel mare (who has ringbone, hence why I bought another horse ) No question really.....just venting......thanks for reading!! Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!!
Sounds like you just need to get rid of that pesky knee cap and you'll be fine. 
I agree with everyone that basically said it just takes time to figure out the little things that are different in your styles. You may be picking him up at the wrong time or cueing him to turn without knowing it. Best place to start is getting some good video of you running him at speed and slow and start there.
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Location: Silex Missouri | Sounds like a new rider adjusting to a new turning style. Sounds like he is turning hard hitting it on the way out. A barrel hitter to me is one that intentionally hits it on the way into the turn not one dragging it over on the way out. If you are used to an automatic horse that you didn't have to do anything you have some adjusting to do. Don't be so quick to blame the horse. Maybe you need to drive harder into the turn or maybe you need to shape him more instead of letting him roll back in his turn. without a video it is hard to say exactly what is going on. BTW, did you bother to ask the previous owner for help? I am assuming the previous owner didnt have these problems or you wouldn't have bought the horse. |
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| chrissyfouse - 2013-11-16 11:00 AM Thanks everyone for all the input!! I'm definitely going to put it to the test. It has been a very long time since I have been on anything of this caliber. He wants to run and I'm holding him back.....a few of yall said speed is my friend? I'm just gonna have to suck it up and let him go and see what happens!! Ill keep u posted!!
i agree he is not a barrel hitter he is just getting them leaving you got somew adjusting to do if you around mashall go see dan and vicki
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Location: Quinlan, TX | So I had a friend of mine ride him last night and she took him to the right first and then took him the left. We have decided he is a lefty!! She brought him in and made like a "hook" around the left barrel and then the second and third were great. I took him in after that to the left and he worked great for me too. So we will continue to do slow work this winter and hopefully by spring we will be ready to run!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | chrissyfouse - 2013-11-22 11:17 AM So I had a friend of mine ride him last night and she took him to the right first and then took him the left. We have decided he is a lefty!! She brought him in and made like a "hook" around the left barrel and then the second and third were great. I took him in after that to the left and he worked great for me too. So we will continue to do slow work this winter and hopefully by spring we will be ready to run!!
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Location: Quinlan, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 10:24 AM chrissyfouse - 2013-11-22 11:17 AM So I had a friend of mine ride him last night and she took him to the right first and then took him the left. We have decided he is a lefty!! She brought him in and made like a "hook" around the left barrel and then the second and third were great. I took him in after that to the left and he worked great for me too. So we will continue to do slow work this winter and hopefully by spring we will be ready to run!! That sounds like a good plain , just try not to run him to many times on barrels just now, slow work 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | chrissyfouse - 2013-11-22 11:37 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 10:24 AM chrissyfouse - 2013-11-22 11:17 AM So I had a friend of mine ride him last night and she took him to the right first and then took him the left. We have decided he is a lefty!! She brought him in and made like a "hook" around the left barrel and then the second and third were great. I took him in after that to the left and he worked great for me too. So we will continue to do slow work this winter and hopefully by spring we will be ready to run!! That sounds like a good plain , just try not to run him to many times on barrels just now, slow work
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I bought a barrel hitter!! UPDATED!!