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| Need advice on how to build top line on a horse bad!!
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| What are you feeding and doing for exercise?
Quality feed and forage is essential. So is the exercise. LONG TROT LONG TROT LONG TROT. There are some supplements that help with top line. Mostly, you want protein to help muscle development. |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | hi there.. I am sure you will get plenty of responses but until then if you go to search and type in topline and click on 90 days if will come up with quite a few older threads as well.regarding this.. might help as well. |
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 Cyber World Challenged
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Location: My Own Little World | I have quite a few friends that are feeding the Total Equine feed and that's what they feed it for. Seems to work |
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The Advice Guru
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| Backing up hills |
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Location: Here | feed beet pulp
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| We do a lot of trotting n he is on 4 pounds total a day of a 14% protein but I am slowly adding alfalfa pellets n oats w it too, he has lost a lot from his neck and withers n by his tail bone, I haven't had him long and was told he was an easy keeper but I don't think that is the case.
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Location: Here | It isn't so much the protein that is needed as the calories. But Beet pulp will put a top line on one. Also I would powerpac |
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| What can I do that isn't a ton of grain but add the calories on, n yes power pack was ordered today, also found out he is anemic too today
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | 4 lbs isnt alot. what feed is it?
fat and calories will help
id work him low and deep trot work as well
over his back. it will help develop the proper muscles. a strong back helps develop a great topline.. but he has to get the right calories etc.. |
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| I know 4 pounds isn't a lot but I was told he was on nothing before so I am slowly going up
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Cyber World Challenged
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Location: My Own Little World | What did the previous owner do differently than you? Duplicate that to get him back where he was. And 4lbs of what feed is important |
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| When I bought him she said he was just on pasture that was five months ago n yesterday I asked again n she said 12 pounds n pasture, complete 180 so I can't really believe what she said n have to fight it out myself |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | ok what grain are you feeding now. |
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| Just a regular 14% protein feed |
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Blessed
Location: Here | beet pulp isn't grain It is good fiber. Good for the gut |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| That is exactly why I took my horse to the vet today. I thought he had EPM and that is exactly what he had. This was not his only symptom but the others were very subtle. |
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Cyber World Challenged
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Location: My Own Little World | I'd try that Total Equine. You only feed a few pounds a day. Supposed to be a complete supplement that you add nothing else to. Only hay or pasture. The horses I see on it are looking great. |
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| What did it vet say to do
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | before assuming it epm.. lets look at the calories the horse is getting.. and fat %. any horse being worked or not will lose the topline if not getting enough calories
now what is the "name of the grain" so we can look at the %% and possibly help you .. |
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| Horsemen edge senior
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Blessed
Location: Here | Okay senior feed gives me another clue
How old is this horse? |
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Location: Here | If you could give us a complete picture, you might be able to get a better idea of what is going on...
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| uhaul89 - 2013-11-16 8:52 PM
What did it vet say to do
Vet put the horse on meds for EPM. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | horsemans edge Senior is middle of the road grain.4 lbs is not enough calories. it is low fat.it has 4 % fat and clearly needs more calories so i think if you bumped up the grain you will see a more improvement but my suggestion is also to add wet beet pulp..
Senior Protein - 14.00% - FAT -4.00% 18.50% 0.60% 1.10% 0.40% 40.00 ppm 0.30 ppm 150.00 ppm 2,800.00 IU/lb
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Location: Here | You can copy and paste from facebook
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| But if i add 2 pounds of pats n 2 pounds of alfalfa pellets would that help or just up my grain instead |
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| Him 3 weeks ago |
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| Sorry bare w me trying to get a picture
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | you can try what you planned.. or just up her grain to 3lbs and add 2 lbs of wet beet pulp. ((((2 times a day)))).. that would be 6 lbs of grain plus 2 lbs beet pulp daily. and see how that works plus hay 24/7. just needs more FAT and calories .. and i think you will notice a differance in a few weeks..
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Location: Illinois | Brooke, upload it to your facebook & I can upload it right now for you |
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Location: Illinois | This is the horse
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Location: Warsaw, VA | Muscle takes amino acids to build. If the diet isn't high enough in amino acids, with lysine being at the top of the list, it does not matter how hard the horse is worked, how correctly he's worked, he will not, can not, build his topline to his genetic potential. It takes enough amino acids (ie lysine) to have muscle development appropriate for the amount of work..
I give Lysine to all mine and also Animal Element Detox to help remove toxins etc... |
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| Thanks Jen for it help
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Location: Here | If anything I think your horse might benefit from Horse sit ups.
What I mean is at the girth line tickle/scratch under his belly and make him lift up his back. Hold for a count of 8 and repeat a few times. Over a month that back will lift up.
He has lost some weight so I agree with Upping his grain/calories in whatever manner you can
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | yes doesnt look like i envisioned.. not skinny by no means. still up the grain a bit though.. i dont think its enough to provide the proper nutrients.. 4 lbs daily.
a good workout tummy lifts as sg said and work over his back and add some good supplements as above mentioned and i think he will improve his look. has a weak back and stomach .. kind of upside down in the gut area ..pretty horse.
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| Thank u everyone for it help :)
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Location: Illinois | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-16 10:23 PM yes doesnt look like i envisioned.. not skinny by no means. still up the grain a bit though.. i dont think its enough to provide the proper nutrients.. 4 lbs daily.
a good workout tummy lifts as sg said and work over his back and add some good supplements as above mentioned and i think he will improve his look. has a weak back and stomach .. kind of upside down in the gut area ..pretty horse.
We have a running joke that since she couldn't buy my horse from me she had to go find his twin lol. He's a cool dude, I look forward to getting to see them grow together :) |
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Sock Snob
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| I would give him some cool calories. Not very costly will work when i ride my gelding hard he will drop off some and that helps. |
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Location: Southern IL somewhere between KY and MO | Black oil sunflower seeds. I put one cup 3times a day to my feed. Cash's top line is looking good. |
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Location: Texas | He is thin, IMO.
Senior feed is OK, but when you look at the feed tag, you will see that some is much higher in fiber than others, which equals fewer calories.
I don't know what is available in your area but yes, I would feed him more.
You can also add a high fat supplement. Most of the bigger feed companies make one, such as ADM or Purina. |
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Location: NC | Feeding 4lbs of a grain that most likely requires a daily minimum of at least 6-8lbs just to get the minimum amount of the analysis, isn't cutting it.
And the Horsemen's Edge Senior only has 4% fat. Bump up his feed to 6lbs A DAY. Then see how he does. If he doesn't improve, either switch feeds or add some fat. Oats do not have enough fat to make a difference, just carbs & fiber.
I suggest black oil sunflower seeds or rice bran for fat. Beet pulp is fiber, not a whole lot of fat, & he's getting enough fiber from his forage & that Senior feed.
But bump up his grain to the daily minimum, which should be on the feed bag or tag. |
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Location: NC | uhaul89 - 2013-11-16 8:33 PM What can I do that isn't a ton of grain but add the calories on, n yes power pack was ordered today, also found out he is anemic too today
I agree with everyone else I would switch to a higher fat feed. Also the fact that you said you found out he is anemic I would treat for ulcers. That made a world of difference for my one horse. and if he does have ulcers a low starch feed would be good. like TC Senior, or Legends Performance Pellets.... Good luck he is handsome. |
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Location: Kansas | HorsesNHarleys - 2013-11-17 7:45 PM uhaul89 - 2013-11-16 8:33 PM What can I do that isn't a ton of grain but add the calories on, n yes power pack was ordered today, also found out he is anemic too today I agree with everyone else I would switch to a higher fat feed. Also the fact that you said you found out he is anemic I would treat for ulcers. That made a world of difference for my one horse. and if he does have ulcers a low starch feed would be good. like TC Senior, or Legends Performance Pellets.... Good luck he is handsome.
I agree with this except I have been using other brands. I use safe choice special care that has no corn products at all and is low in starch. The mare that had ulcers, I also fed probios, ulce-r-aid and purina amplify for added fat. I am not a purina fan at all, but that amplify WORKS!! I had a different horse in about 60 days. |
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| Lysine!
I just get the SmartPak, it is quite affordable and make a big difference in my horses. Go read the reviews as well, tons of input about how it helped others build their topline.
http://www.smartpakequine.com/pure-lysine-1711p |
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One Grateful Mom
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Location: wolverton,mn | Beet pulp is fiber but it really fills them out nicely and does add weight. I would do beet pulp,great hay, a good feed and long trotting,lots of it. Long trotting strengthens the underline muscles and help lift the back (strengthen) .
he will look super if you do these very simple things! He will look and feel great,plus you will really get to know your horses feel and rhythm when you are out long trotting! |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I don't think you are lacking in the topline of this horse as much as OVERALL. The horse is thin all over, not just his topline. Now I'm not saying he's starved thin by no means. His coat is shiny and he looks healthy so you are definitely doing something right.
Can I ask why you are feeding him Senior feed? Look at what is available in your area and read the labels. High protein isn't always the answer, look for something high in fat and fiber as well. If he is a very hard keeper alfalfa may help. I think there have been a ton of great suggestions on here, like beet pulp.
But I think you are more looking at adding overall weight rather then building topline. If you can get him on a better feed program to get the weight on, you will get what you are looking for. Good luck!!! |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Sr is great feed for all ages as long as its the better Quality and high fat.. like Triple Crown or ADM.. |
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