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Location: Iowa | I am not going to Boohoo about this but need some advice. I just got a mare 3 days ago as a project. I rode her and she seemed fine the day I got her, just a bit rusty since the owners didn't do as much as they thought they would with her. She's 15 and bred and built really nice. I didn't get a chance to ride her until today because I have young children and stay at home with them so my riding time is limited. We have other horses so it may be awhile before I get a chance to ride them & they all do really well. We handle our horses daily since we have to lead them to pasture & then put them in the barn at night. I know how to handle horses. This afternoon I brought this new mare to the trailer to ride her a bit since my husband was with our kids. I saddled her and she danced around a bit but then out of the blue she freaked out and started pulling back literally sitting back on her rear. She stopped and was fine and I talked to her to calm her down then was about to get something from my trailer and she did it again. I actually had to dive into my trailer to get out of the way. I ended up calling my husband to come help me get the saddle off (which is a caldwell promax and fits her well). After we got the saddle off I decided to try a different saddle and sure enough I didn't even get the cinch around on this one and she did it again. She ended up breaking the rope and taking off. The scary part of all of this is that she nearly wiped out my husband and my kids who weren't even close to where she was but when she pulled back she fell backwards and landed quite a ways from the trailer. She took off and I eventually caught her and so my husband and I tried to calm her down but she seemed pretty light in the front feet and ready to rear up any minute. I called the people I got her from to see if she'd ever done this with them and of course the answer was no. My question is, can a horse develop a habit this extreme in the 3 days we've had her even though I haven't rode her until today? She's 15yrs old and I have a hard time believing I created this problem. I'm almost positive she's done this before & I absolutely CANNOT/ WILL NOT have a horse that jeopardizes my families safety. What can I do with her? Any advice or info would be very much appreciated. |
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| Don't forget your own safety. I think you are probably right. She probably has done this before. I would have the people take her back. If not ship her down the road. It is way cheaper to take a loss than to have a huge hospital bill. Or a funeral |
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| If I were to guess it was something saddle related. Whether or not shes sore or your saddle pinched her, something likely caused her to react and once they've gotten that spooked mentality, it can be hard to bring them back down to earth.
A friend of mine bought a colt and granted she was young but calm as a cucumber (i knew her prior to her getting her). She threw the kids saddle on her and she flipped and literally hung herself from the trailer. We cut the saddle off and we put on the saddle belonging to seller and she did the same thing. Obviously this is the saddle she was broke in and never presented a problem before. She ended up working out of it but it was obvious, the kids saddle hurt her in some way.
She still gets nervous when we tack her up, it hasnt been super long but she needs to be reassured from time to time that its not that kids saddle. Mental scars are far worse than physical scars. JMO |
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| Sounds fishy to me too. Hate that for you. Send the witch home before she hurts you or herself and that nice saddle. They were most likely using you for a guinea pig & hoping you'd get her out of it. |
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| I would be checking the saddle pad, cinch, make sure there were no burrs, then I would go over the horse with a fine tooth comb to make sure she doesn't have anything irritating her.
Also I would suspect ulcers, I have heard they can come on as early as 5 days post treatment. I have a 4 year old treated for ulcers, was riding good gave her 2 weeks off had her tied up, saddled her she blew up, and shoved me head first into the side of the shed. Now she is back on ulcer meds. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How long did the other owners have her? And I bet money that she did this way befor you got her, and another thing I bet shes one you have to cinch up slowly. There is some horses that will sit back when cinched up to fast and they will go into a panic mode. |
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Location: Iowa | I agree with the saddle possibly hurting, and had that thought cross my mind, but what I don't understand is I rode her in the same saddle the day I got her and she was fine. I also agree with the fact that its better to lose out on the deal than seeing anyone get hurt by her. I would never forgive myself. |
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Location: Texas | Get a trash saddle, a be nice halter and a patience tree. The gelding I'm running pulled this crap when I got him back from the people ( very nice just spoiled him to death!) I had sold him to a couple of years ago. His case was he figured out he could scare them and not have to work. He got saddled and unsaddled a ton during the day and stayed tied up all day. Be careful!!!!! In our case it got worse before it got better and you couldn't hesitate or back down. This is dangerous and you can get hurt with a horse that will blow like that. I ended up teaching him to hobble as well and hobbling him every time I tied him up. That way if he did manage to break something he couldnt run off it can be fixed it's just one of the harder things to fix. (If this is a habit and not just a freak deal) With the be nice halter use a heavy yacht line lead rope with out a snap. A snap will break before the halter or lead rope. My gelding pitched some major fits and never did manage to break that halter or lead rope. |
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| hashope11 - 2013-11-19 9:49 PM
I agree with the saddle possibly hurting, and had that thought cross my mind, but what I don't understand is I rode her in the same saddle the day I got her and she was fine. I also agree with the fact that its better to lose out on the deal than seeing anyone get hurt by her. I would never forgive myself.
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Location: Iowa | They had her about a year. She's bred to the hills but I just got her to bring back to barrels because she's been a broodmare & trail horse the last 3 years. I have a fantastic barrel horse but she can't mentally handle a lot of running due to previous owners blowing her up. So I decided to get something I could tinker on to play with on barrels. I also know about cinchy horses. We have one and as long as we go slow she's fine. This mare didn't freak out until several minutes after I cinched her, she didn't even baulk when I cinched her. She danced a bit when I put the saddle on but the previous owners said that's just what she does. |
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Location: Florida.. | have you tried to saddle her untied? was she tied when you looked at her
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Location: Living in my Promised Land | Was she tied hard and fast when you saddles her before? I have had several nice horses that just did not tie well. Clinton Anderson has a whole video and a tie device for this particular problem. It is nothing to mess with. If you can have someone hold her while she is being tacked up, you will find out whether it is an equipment problem or a behavior problem. My guess is that this horse has done it for years. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Eh. I wouldn't be too quick to disregard her. My gelding randomly sits back. I'm talking like twice a year maybe but when he does he sits down until something breaks. It's just one of his quirks. I have learned his body language and will immediately untie him if I see him start tensing up. I can typically avoid it now. I would try her again tomorrow but instead of tying her hard and fast try not tying her or just running her lead rope through your tie. Some horses who sit back like my gelding just don't give in to the pressure. When they fight that hard and the rope breaks it can send them backwards quick. If you have a round pen that would be the ideal place to saddle. I would work her like she was a colt until you figure her out. It's all still new to her. She sounds like one who you may have to build her trust up. Round penning will help that a lot. |
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Location: Wisconsin | My guess...Its not the first time |
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Location: Iowa | Yes we tried to saddle her untied twice, just to give her the benefit of the doubt and she did the same thing. I don't like to think the worst in situations so I can't say if she was doped. I really try to believe people are being honest because that's how we are, but I've been burned so many times doing this I'm beginning to lose faith that there are good people out there. Although everyone offering me advice on here sure makes me feel better. I am sure with the right experience this mare could be fixed, I just don't have the time and cannot have a dangerous horse when I have my kids to consider, since they are out in the barn with us a lot. We just don't/can't tolerate the crazy things when we have little ones. We have cattle too and any of them that act a little crazy are sent packing. |
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| hashope11 - 2013-11-19 10:09 PM
Yes we tried to saddle her untied twice, just to give her the benefit of the doubt and she did the same thing. I don't like to think the worst in situations so I can't say if she was doped. I really try to believe people are being honest because that's how we are, but I've been burned so many times doing this I'm beginning to lose faith that there are good people out there. Although everyone offering me advice on here sure makes me feel better. I am sure with the right experience this mare could be fixed, I just don't have the time and cannot have a dangerous horse when I have my kids to consider, since they are out in the barn with us a lot. We just don't/can't tolerate the crazy things when we have little ones. We have cattle too and any of them that act a little crazy are sent packing.
You have made up your mind, you have two choices, send her back, or sell her and take a loss.
There are too many good horses out there to be messing around with ones you can't trust.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 10:13 PM hashope11 - 2013-11-19 10:09 PM Yes we tried to saddle her untied twice, just to give her the benefit of the doubt and she did the same thing. I don't like to think the worst in situations so I can't say if she was doped. I really try to believe people are being honest because that's how we are, but I've been burned so many times doing this I'm beginning to lose faith that there are good people out there. Although everyone offering me advice on here sure makes me feel better. I am sure with the right experience this mare could be fixed, I just don't have the time and cannot have a dangerous horse when I have my kids to consider, since they are out in the barn with us a lot. We just don't/can't tolerate the crazy things when we have little ones. We have cattle too and any of them that act a little crazy are sent packing. You have made up your mind, you have two choices, send her back, or sell her and take a loss. There are too many good horses out there to be messing around with ones you can't trust. Good luck with your decision
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Location: Iowa | So how do you sell a horse with this type of issue? The previous owners were supposed to call me back but they never did (not real surprised knowing now what I do). Like I said she's bred to the hills & has a really nice build. I am honest and will be completely upfront to anyone about this. But are there people out there that would still consider her with this issue? |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | My guess is she has ulcers and or a rib out. My girl has ulcers and she will roll her eyes if I cinch to tight too soon. I've just learned to cinch up slowly and I don't tie when I cinch up. If a horse has Ulcers that girth area is real sensative. Use a real wide cinch like a felt one so it spreads across the girth area more. If mine is to tight my baby won't travel out. |
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Location: Misplaced in Tornado Country | sell her as a broodmare |
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Location: Iowa | Tie her to twine loops at the trailer. They will break free if she sets back.
Another thing that helped one of my horses was a bungee cord tie. I never left home without it .
Get him checked out and try to saddle him without tying like someone else suggested. |
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| hashope11 - 2013-11-19 10:21 PM
So how do you sell a horse with this type of issue? The previous owners were supposed to call me back but they never did (not real surprised knowing now what I do). Like I said she's bred to the hills & has a really nice build. I am honest and will be completely upfront to anyone about this. But are there people out there that would still consider her with this issue?
There are always people looking for deals, depending on the price you may or may not be able to sell her.
Myself I can handle a horse who is cinchy, pulls back, but I cannot handle horses that break in half at a dead run.
I also don't have hard to catch horses on my place.
You already know your limits and what is at risk, you may need to take a loss, and filter through a lot of tire kickers/firesale people |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You said that this mare is bred, when is she due? And if shes got nice bloodlines and bred to a really nice stud I bet she wont be hard to resell as a broodmare only. Selling as 2 in 1 package, |
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Location: Iowa | I myself like a project, but like I said this is too much for me. I saw her on BHW and bought her for $1250 which in my opinion she was worth just as a broodmare. So what is a reasonable price for a horse like this? Her registered name is Cashs Costly Tornado & like I said she's very well bred. |
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Location: Iowa | She's not bred. She supposedly had a bully bullion colt 3 years ago with the owners that had her before the people I got her from. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh I'm sorry I thought that I read that she was bred, I'm bad  |
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Location: Iowa | That's okay!! Its getting late and if you're like me my eyes are starting to get buggy, looking at the screen!! |
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Location: My own little world :) | So she's only done it once and you've only had her for three days? I think you should at least give her a bit more of a chance. If she continues to do it then I would get rid of her. Also, maybe try doing a little "round pen reasoning" with her and then make her come to you in the center of the round pen and be saddled without being tied. I always do that with my colts because I want them to learn to stand still when being saddled whether they are tied up or not.
But I totally agree with you about not wanting to chance hurting your family. I have a 4 month old and lately I've had the mind set that if a horse can't be sweet as pie 99% of the time they don't need to be on the place. There are way too many good ones to waste your time on the bad ones. But maybe just give her a bit more of a chance  Good luck! |
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-19 11:04 PM Oh I'm sorry I thought that I read that she was bred, I'm bad
OP's message sounded like the mare could be bred "She's 15 and bred and built really nice." but she meant (I thought) that she was bred nice and built nice.
I have no advice. I rode a horse for my grandpa, stopped by my MIL's for a break and when I tied him up to her porch with the gelding my husband was riding he flipped out... nearly tore her porch down and ended up with all 4 feet in the air sitting on his butt with my gelding beside him holding him up. I told my grandpa and he says "Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that he sits back if you tie him." hmmm... sit back was an understatement lol.
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Location: Texas | Lunge the sap out of her before you saddle her. Then don't tie her solid. A tired horse is a better horse.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | pinx05 - 2013-11-19 11:12 PM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-19 11:04 PM Oh I'm sorry I thought that I read that she was bred, I'm bad
I have no advice. I rode a horse for my grandpa, stopped by my MIL's for a break and when I tied him up to her porch with the gelding my husband was riding he flipped out... nearly tore her porch down and ended up with all 4 feet in the air sitting on his butt with my gelding beside him holding him up. I told my grandpa and he says "Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that he sits back if you tie him." hmmm... sit back was an understatement lol.
Good luck with her, whatever you decide.
I know I just read it wrong 
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Location: Iowa | I totally agree when it comes to second chances, hence trying it again without being tied. But to be honest after she nearly wiped out my husband and kids the buck kinda stopped there. I'm going to sleep on it and more than anything pray about it. I'll see tomorrow what I think. But plain and simple it really shook me up after that happened. Being a mom has changed my whole perspective on things. I used to love a hard challenge, but now there are clearly more important things in my life, that are worth much more to me. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hashope11 - 2013-11-19 11:18 PM I totally agree when it comes to second chances, hence trying it again without being tied. But to be honest after she nearly wiped out my husband and kids the buck kinda stopped there. I'm going to sleep on it and more than anything pray about it. I'll see tomorrow what I think. But plain and simple it really shook me up after that happened. Being a mom has changed my whole perspective on things. I used to love a hard challenge, but now there are clearly more important things in my life, that are worth much more to me.
You do what feels right for you and the family, I'm kind of with you, when I became a mom my whole outlook on things change, I use to be a dare devil, took on all kinds of crazy things, but now I'm a grandma too and boy I have really change even more LOL |
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Location: Iowa | 100% agree with you there. Something about those precious smiles and big blue eyes just melts this momma's heart like butter!! Just don't let my little ones know they got their momma wrapped around their little fingers or I'll be in big trouble. They already know they have their daddy wrapped around their fingers and boy do they work it!! |
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-19 11:24 PM hashope11 - 2013-11-19 11:18 PM I totally agree when it comes to second chances, hence trying it again without being tied. But to be honest after she nearly wiped out my husband and kids the buck kinda stopped there. I'm going to sleep on it and more than anything pray about it. I'll see tomorrow what I think. But plain and simple it really shook me up after that happened. Being a mom has changed my whole perspective on things. I used to love a hard challenge, but now there are clearly more important things in my life, that are worth much more to me. You do what feels right for you and the family, I'm kind of with you, when I became a mom my whole outlook on things change, I use to be a dare devil, took on all kinds of crazy things, but now I'm a grandma too and boy I have really change even more LOL
Oh yeah, I had a horse that was a butt in the pasture. Not really mean but would run past you kicking, bucking, and farting. I just knew he was going to run over my kid one day. Until I sold him my son was not allowed around him, or even on the same side of the fence as him. It didn't matter if the horse was on the other end of the 10 acres. He would get a wild hair and my son wasn't quick enough to realize that he needed to get somewhere out of the way instead of stand there like a deer in the headlights. I don't know that the horse would have ever hurt him, but I didn't want to take that chance. I would have never forgiven myself.
I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to get rid of the horse because you were concerned about the safety of your kids. I'm sure there is someone else out there that is more comfortable dealing with her issue. Not saying she is a bad horse or you can't handle it, but no one can look down on you for trying to keep your kids safe. |
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Location: Texas! | Check out the link of this mare from previous, previous owner, said only bad habit is she does not like to be tied alone..HMMMMMM....might be what they meant, lol she looses her ever loving mind alone.
http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetailprint.asp?ID=170250 |
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| Comes to mind the joke about the trader showing the thin bodied and BLIND horse to the unsuspecting buyer. Buyer asked what his faults were & Trader said "Well, only thing bad about him is "he sure don't look too good." " Karma, right? |
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| WYOracer - 2013-11-20 12:25 AM
Check out the link of this mare from previous, previous owner, said only bad habit is she does not like to be tied alone..HMMMMMM....might be what they meant, lol she looses her ever loving mind alone.
http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetailprint.asp?ID=170250
Can't get any plainer than this for sale ad ...
The price you pay is generally going to be the quality of horse you get ... looks like you have a "broodmare only" to sell .... before she hurts someone ... GOOD LUCK |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I think it's possible that the mare didn't pull on them before. Horses that pull don't always pull back consistently and maybe they never set up the right scenario for her to pull. Things like new surroundings or saddling too soon can bring that out in one.
You said that she was dancing around when you went to saddle. I'd try letting her sit for a while until she's bored and then saddling. I've seen some horses that if you go to saddle up right after tying they get a bit nervous and worked up. Let them sit for a few minutes and then go to saddle, you have a totally different horse. I think horses like that anticipate.
The easiest thing would be to to use a tie ring or just not tie her hard and fast but it sounds like you don't want to run the risk and have your mind made up regardless. There's people that don't mind taking on a project like that if she's well bred and well built. Just be honest when you sell her.
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Location: Qld Australia | You have just described my best mare to a T. After only three days there is no way I would be quitting on yours. Use common sense and don't let your kids near her if she is tied. We cured my mare very easily and have never regret putting the effort into her.
When we bought her, we didn't click that they never tied her while we were there. She was a young mare that had bred one foal and slipped the next, we wanted her as a riding horse at that point anyway. We got her home, tied and saddled her and well, what an explosion. Sat on her butt, broke the halter and bolted a bit because she SCARED herself. What do you expect her to do, calmly stand still after sitting on her butt and pulling back like a dillbry?
Like someone else said, we got our strongest rope halter with attached lead; NO clips and tied her to a good stout tie up post. Saddled and unsaddled. Yes she would try it for a while but once she learned that the rope and halter wouldn't break, she soon stopped trying. She very quickly got to the point that we could tie her up at the trailer no worries and treated her like every other horse.
This mare is now our best producing broodmare and I would never be without her. All it takes is a little know how and be safety conscious. I wouldn't hesitate to get another that pulls back if their bloodlines are what I want because most of the time it is a man made behavioural issue that usually is easy to fix.
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Location: Iowa, LA | Just a possibility but my mare that did/does this has PSSM so the longer I go between rides or the more grass she gets, the worse it is. Now I have her on the right diet and it is a thing of the past. My gelding with PSSM was very nervous about being saddled and would dance around, so I tested him after he progressed with diet change and he had PSSM, too. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My ulcer horse would stand for saddling until he tried to move his feet after tightening the cinch, then he would sit back and act insane. After I got his ulcers under control, he never did it again. |
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| I would say work around her. My horse doesn't tie to the trailer. He'll tie at home to gates, in his stall, trees, etc. But not to the trailer. He had a couple of trailer accidents and he still remembers them obviously.
We ended up buying pens to set up at the trailer. Funny thing is, I can tie him long enough to saddle him when the pens are up. |
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Location: kentucky | I hate that this happend to you but for the life of me I just do not understand why people go and buy a horse and do not go over all the basics with him/her. If I was buying her for a riding horse I sure would have saddled her and rode her ! If she was just for a broodmare not as much of a big deal I guess. But I see post on here all the time about people buying horses and they get them home and they have all these problems or there lame. It is a buyer beware market out there ! Horses can have so many quirks and medical issues ! We have to do our homework on whatever we buy now days ! It's sad people can not be up front and honest, I bought a mare a couple years ago that we had actually seen run a few times and really liked her so when she came up for sale I tried her out and ran her a few times and we bought her, as days went on she started getting kinda quirky and almost scarred me a little to ride her anyway a couple weeks out I took her to a show and she exploded at the gate and literally tried to take anyone out that was in her way ! I called the guy and he said SHE HAS NEVER DONE THAT BRFORE ! Yeah right, she was a pro at it ! So the fool I am I tried it again and it was worse ! So i crawled off her and never got on her again ! Come to find out from other people he kept her on Fluphenazine ! He did take her back but he had already spent 1500 of my money and gave me back what was left ! But that is a lot cheaper than my funeral or Hosp bills ! It just P's me off that people will go to the extreme of getting someone seriously hurt just to sell a horse. So I have learned my lesson |
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Location: Midwest | The ad sort of says it all.... and the price.
I bet you could get her to be manageable with time, skill and patience. If you are missing any one of those, you are in for trouble. Since you said she scared you, I'd sell with full disclosure or sent her to a trainer for a tune up. Either way, I don't think she'll make the "just have fun" horse you are wanting. I'd sell her as a broodie if you don't want to put more into her, but since she's been open for a while that might be tough. |
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Location: Texas | Fun2Run - 2013-11-19 11:17 PM Lunge the sap out of her before you saddle her. Then don't tie her solid. A tired horse is a better horse.
Then go from there to evaluate her.
^^^ Totally agree with this. Lunge the crap out of her, saddle and let her rest. Repeat. |
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Location: Iowa | I do understand the concept of getting what you paid for which is why I got her as a project. She had been sitting on the back burner, according to the sellers, for several years without having much done. But I was told she rode out fine when she was pulled from the pasture. I rode her myself and came to the conclusion she was a project because it was going to take time to get her back on the barrels. I figured her price was reflective of that. Unfortunately in my experiences paying a higher amount doesn't always mean your getting a better deal. People lie and I can't say that they lied, but I just got a text from the previous owners this morning telling me the owners before them said she did this sometimes. I can't believe she went a year without ever doing this but who am I to judge. I do have the patience and talents but I lack the time that a problem like this requires. So that along with the fact that my kids are out in the barn with us a lot, even though they aren't near the horses much, they weren't yesterday either and she nearly wiped them out. I am a mom first and foremost and their safety comes first. I did saddle and I ride her for probably an hour at least just working on bending & flexing little things to see if she could go back to barrels. Which I believe she could and do great at it. I actually made the previous owners saddle and ride her first just to see if she had any quirks. She is very rideable but obviously there's a catch in there somewhere. We have two fantastic broodmares so I had no intentions of buying her to breed, but knew with her bloodlines that she could be a broodmare easily, which made her .ore appealing for marketability reasons if I did need to sell her, but that was not my intentions. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | 2 red flags in that ad. ( a few I would consider yellow flags but not terrible) 1. doesn't tie well without buddies... 2. no 'real' gate issues.... tap her with my whip... No offense but you screwed yourself so sell her cheap and remember this situation |
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Location: Iowa | Where in the ad does it say she doesn't tie well? Never saw this and just checked the ad again and it didn't say this. Obviously if I would've seen that I NEVER would have even considered her. |
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Location: Midwest | hashope11 - 2013-11-20 8:52 AM I do understand the concept of getting what you paid for which is why I got her as a project. She had been sitting on the back burner, according to the sellers, for several years without having much done. But I was told she rode out fine when she was pulled from the pasture. I rode her myself and came to the conclusion she was a project because it was going to take time to get her back on the barrels. I figured her price was reflective of that. Unfortunately in my experiences paying a higher amount doesn't always mean your getting a better deal. People lie and I can't say that they lied, but I just got a text from the previous owners this morning telling me the owners before them said she did this sometimes. I can't believe she went a year without ever doing this but who am I to judge. I do have the patience and talents but I lack the time that a problem like this requires. So that along with the fact that my kids are out in the barn with us a lot, even though they aren't near the horses much, they weren't yesterday either and she nearly wiped them out. I am a mom first and foremost and their safety comes first. I did saddle and I ride her for probably an hour at least just working on bending & flexing little things to see if she could go back to barrels. Which I believe she could and do great at it. I actually made the previous owners saddle and ride her first just to see if she had any quirks. She is very rideable but obviously there's a catch in there somewhere. We have two fantastic broodmares so I had no intentions of buying her to breed, but knew with her bloodlines that she could be a broodmare easily, which made her .ore appealing for marketability reasons if I did need to sell her, but that was not my intentions.
I understand, did not mean to come across snotty FWIW
Basically it comes down to what you want to do. Sometimes ones like this never fully come around, other times they do. I understand where you need to put the kids first. At least you have some good options and you don't have much into her. I have dealt with a few "issues" horses before, and some come around. Some get better but never where you want them. If I was in your situation, I'd sell her with full disclosure most likely- no time and I would worry about the kids.
At that price, someone would buy her in my area and work out the kinks. She has a decent pedigree and is not a maiden, so she's got that going for her as well.
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | " The only bad habit I'd say she really has is she doesn't care to be tied up alone, however we are working with her on that now " Next time you go to buy something google it. I see people paying triple for used bits all the time when a new one of the same model and year is cheaper. A quick google of a horse name will pull up old ads and results for shows etc |
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I Need a Xanax!
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| You sound like a great mom! Get rid of her...you know its only a matter of time till someone gets hurt and you don't need any horse that's unpredictable around your kids. It really doesn't matter how she's bred or what kind of potential she has if she is a danger to you or your kids. Get rid of her, give her away if you have to, and replace her with a fun family friendly horse. It probably won't be bred nice, may not have really nice conformation, or have any real NFR potential but just knowing its safe around your kids makes it priceless. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I wouldn't blame you for wanting to just get rid of her, you have to do what feels right for you and your family.
That said, any horse can blow up at any time, until your kids are old enough to get out of the way they need to be in a safe area where a loose horse can't run over them. Mine spent lots of time in the truck, dressing room of the trailer or tack room in the barn until I was reasonably confident they could move quickly out of the way if needed.
We train racehorses so just getting rid of a silly one is not usually an option.
If she rode, tied, saddled etc. good when you tried her I would bet she just needs time to acclimate to her new surroundings. Are you feeding different than what she is used to, that right there can make all the difference in the world to some horses.
Most of the time when we bring a new one home it takes about two weeks to a month to see what the horse is really like. If she was mine I would do lots of groundwork and let her stand tied with something she can't break along with giving grass hay and minimal feed. Re-evaluate in a couple of weeks, if she really has issues they will still be there. |
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I Need a Xanax!
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| One more thought...you probably are capable of fixing her but at what cost? And what do you have to prove by doing so? After becoming a mommy I think the only thing you have to prove is that you do a good job protecting your children and making all your decisions in the best interest of them. I am a stay at home mom too and don't have much "kid free" time to work with my horses either so nowdays my horses have to be "easy" and family friendly. They have to be somewhat lazy and laid back and be ok going 3 months without being ridden. My horses have no names you have ever heard of on their papers and have no real winning barrel horse potential but they are exactly what I need at this point in my life. Unless you put food on the table by winning barrel races who cares what kind of potential the horse has? As a mom with young children its always a time struggle to ride and I wont have one with any extra energy or issues I have to spend hours working out before I can just saddle up and go for a nice little ride. |
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Location: Florida | This is a long shot, but I had a gelding suddenly start doing that after being treated for EPM. His back was so sensitive that he paniced. Get a vet or chiro to look at her. |
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Location: Somewhere else | I had one that would tie to anything BUT the horse trailer. Finally a pick-up man made me a 'gut rope'. Worked like a charm. He pulled back twice & when he couldn't breath he figured out that if he stood there like he was suppose to that he was fine. Without the gut rope he was cutting flips, pull back then run head on into the trailer. Awesome horse that would do anything but stand tied to the trailer. Only downfall is that you couldn't saddle him with the gut rope on. And trust me I tried everything before getting the gut rope.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Here's an old ad for her that has her listed as a trail horse. You might contact these people and see what they say about her. She might not be dangerous at all, just a little spoiled.
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sale/horse-166627 |
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Location: Iowa | Still can't get that to come up when I googled it but I fault myself for not doing it this time because that is normally one of the first things I do when looking at a horse and I didn't this time. I spent all night beating myself up over the deal because I wanted a project but knew we couldn't afford much. After 5 years without barrel racing my mare, due to her being a broodmare & me having kids too, I pulled her out this year and ran her and she ended up winning the 2d without me pushing her at all. This was a mare that wouldn't even think about walking in the gate let alone turn a barrel. She did awesome, but she can't be pushed or she'll blow up. I've come so far with her I won't take the chance of ruining her, so we check a lot of cows and fence and its worked great. I can't practice barrels either, although I can walk around them or do a few other slow exercises to get her to bend she doesn't need the practice, I do. So I got bit by the barrel racing bug and decided to get something I could play with on the barrels. I still plan on running my mare sometimes but not much, that's why I got this mare. My mistake and I fully take the blame. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | As a broodmare, and to the right home, not tying wouldn't be an issue. For instance, I literally can't remember the last time I tied one of my mares. (And they DO tie.) |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | hashope11 - 2013-11-20 10:00 AM
Still can't get that to come up when I googled it but I fault myself for not doing it this time because that is normally one of the first things I do when looking at a horse and I didn't this time. I spent all night beating myself up over the deal because I wanted a project but knew we couldn't afford much. After 5 years without barrel racing my mare, due to her being a broodmare & me having kids too, I pulled her out this year and ran her and she ended up winning the 2d without me pushing her at all. This was a mare that wouldn't even think about walking in the gate let alone turn a barrel. She did awesome, but she can't be pushed or she'll blow up. I've come so far with her I won't take the chance of ruining her, so we check a lot of cows and fence and its worked great. I can't practice barrels either, although I can walk around them or do a few other slow exercises to get her to bend she doesn't need the practice, I do. So I got bit by the barrel racing bug and decided to get something I could play with on the barrels. I still plan on running my mare sometimes but not much, that's why I got this mare. My mistake and I fully take the blame.
I really wouldn't beat yourself up about it. Sometimes things aren't what we thought, or people aren't totally honest, whatevs
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Location: relocated to Texas | hashope11 - 2013-11-20 9:21 PM So how do you sell a horse with this type of issue? The previous owners were supposed to call me back but they never did (not real surprised knowing now what I do). Like I said she's bred to the hills & has a really nice build. I am honest and will be completely upfront to anyone about this. But are there people out there that would still consider her with this issue? You said she is 15 and had not been ridden much. She is at a new home, new saddle, etc. Tell me, did you just tie her to the trailer and throw the saddle on? Then, after she pulled back the first time, sounds like you tied her again (or left her tied) and went to get something in the trailer - trusting her after she had pulled back once. The lesson to be learned here on your part is that horses rarely just pull back once. It usually gets them more frightened and they continue to do so until they no longer feel trapped - in her case, until she busted the lead rope. The reason for her pulling back in the first place could have been saddle fit, and/or not having a cinch on in a while, or the cinch was pulled too tight to begin with. Some horses you have to cinch a little at a time or you will get a reaction.
IMO, your first mistake was not doing some ground work with her before you tried to saddle her and jump on. Probably a good thing she did pull back because she could have had this reaction with you ON her back. When you get a new horse, it is always best to get to know them on the ground FIRST. Do some desensitizing exercises with her, see how she responds to your cues on the ground, etc. When you do go to saddle, I would never tie one hard, but would either just loop the lead rope through or better yet, use Clinton Anderson's Aussie tie ring or the Blocker Tie Ring (they are the same thing). Clinton Anderson has a good video that goes along with the tie ring that he sells with techniques to help get a horse past pulling back.
It doesn't sound like the previous owners are going to be much help, so this problem is going to be yours to deal with. Get the CA tie ring and DVD and see if you can fix it. If you don't think you can do that, sell the mare to someone who is willing to work with her.
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Location: Iowa | I appreciate ALL the opinions, advice and information given. I don't take anything said as being rude or mean. I will explain myself the best I can and try to explain why it is that I got her and what I did. I have replayed the day that I looked at her in my head over and over, and then the events that took place yesterday. I didn't tie her and saddle her fast. Yes I will admit I was trying to move along because I didn't have a ton of time to ride before I had to get back to my kids. But, I know better than to rush a horse, especially one that is new to me and the surroundings. I tied her and she was tied for awhile before I saddled her. I tried a few pads on her to see what fit the best and then put the saddle on her and adjusted it to see if it was the best fit for her. I was happy with how it sat on her so I proceeded to tighten the cinch, which I do slowly since we do have a cinchy mare, that will explode if you don't do it the right way. I've learned a lot about that with her and now do things completely different from what I learned growing up. She still didn't do anything until I started to go to the front tack area in the trailer to see what bit I was going to ride her with. That's when she blew up. I waited for her to stop and realize that when they do that they shake themselves up. So I talked to her and calmed her down then loosened the saddle. I moved it a little more to see if it would work and made sure she wasn't pinning her ears or giving me any signs of being uncomfortable, and then went to the tack area. I even took the time to switch a few bits around with different headstalls to see what combo I would use. Then she did it again. It wasn't one right after the other. After that I was a little shaken up and called my husband who came out and helped me get the saddle off. Once we got the saddle off, she stood there again. Then out of the blue she did it again, which is when she broke the snap on the rope and took off. We then calmed her down and tried to throw a different saddle on her without her being tied and we never even got it on her back long before she did it again. After trying one more time, we decided enough was enough.
We have bred some quarter race horses that have been pretty successful on the track and God knows they are spirited animals. We also have two who came back from the track and are still spirited but are handled daily. They are young and we expect them to be unpredictable, but they are smart enough to listen and learn. I am positive someone could take this mare and turn her around but I'm also sure it's not me. I don't want to give up, but I know my limitations too. As someone else said my time is very limited for a problem horse. When I get a chance to work with something or ride I want to go out and get something accomplished because I may not be able to get out on that horse again for a few days or sometimes a few weeks if my kids are sick, etc. So to me it's priceless to have a horse I can pull out and just ride. We may have our bad days where not much was accomplished, but thats expected and I'm okay with that. But if I have to work them for an hour before I can saddle up, well, that was all the time I may havebhad so then I don't get the chance to ride at all. Just can't have that. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | After reading your explanation, I would say that you should sell the horse or try to get the people to take her back. She is going to take some time to fix, and may or may not be fixed completely since she is an aged horse. Kudos to you for recognizing that she is going to be too much work for you and your situation. Better that you send her down the road and I hope she goes to someone that has the time for her. |
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Location: Qld Australia | You keep saying you bought her as a project - projects by definition need work. This is work that you are not willing to give her so sell her to someone that will. Also, all the comments about using her as a broodmare - broodmare still need to be tied up!!!!!!!
We stand two stallions for live cover and AI many mares. All our live cover mares MUST tie up to be bred for safety and everything else needs to tie up for convenience. If we have the vet coming to check let's say 3 mares, I will have them caught and tied as close as possible to where the ultrasound will be set up. The vet doesn't want to wait while I lead one back to her paddock, let them go and then get another. Also, what about travelling the mare to the vet or stallion etc. Will she just be left loose in the trailer? No.
Sell her with full disclosure, she will probably make a great riding horse for someone willing to put a little effort in. |
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Location: Florida.. | sounds like she got spooked when you went to front of trailer.. you dont know what her past was like.. then did it again and same reaction.. by then she is already spazzed out about any of it and so therefore again untied.. its all new to her.. the environment etc..shes older and set in her ways...
eitehr give her some time or rehome her .. |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | My opinion... she is 15 years old and she has probably been pulling back for a long time..... and I doubt she will stop. If this is a safety issue for you, get rid of her. Breaking one of this habit is not easy and really takes some work / dedication... and then you have to really be "on your toes" forevermore. I would not be "making excuses" for her, i.e. it was the saddle, you rushed her, etc. Horses that pull back like that typically don't usually just suddenly start doing it over some small issue. |
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Location: Iowa | I did buy her as a project, but PROJECT and PROBLEM are two completely different things. I was very willing to work with her on her being rusty and needing to go back to the basics on barrels. However I am not willing to work out a problem of this magnitude, ESPECIALLY if it puts my family at risk. Granted this is a possible fix and could even be an easy one with a little time. BUT when that horse flipped back and came so close to my husband and kids, the buck stopped right there. I don't care if she was $1 million dollar horse, it just plain doesn't matter to me when it comes to my family. Sorry if I'm giving up too easy, but if something happened to my kids or anyone for that matter, because I was out to prove a point and keep an animal around that was this way, I would NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF. ANYONE who is willing to take her on is very welcome to send me a message and I will be happy to work something out with you. I am still waiting to hear from the previous owners on whether they will take her back or not. |
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Location: Washington | hashope11 - 2013-11-20 3:59 PM I did buy her as a project, but PROJECT and PROBLEM are two completely different things. I was very willing to work with her on her being rusty and needing to go back to the basics on barrels. However I am not willing to work out a problem of this magnitude, ESPECIALLY if it puts my family at risk. Granted this is a possible fix and could even be an easy one with a little time. BUT when that horse flipped back and came so close to my husband and kids, the buck stopped right there. I don't care if she was $1 million dollar horse, it just plain doesn't matter to me when it comes to my family. Sorry if I'm giving up too easy, but if something happened to my kids or anyone for that matter, because I was out to prove a point and keep an animal around that was this way, I would NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF. ANYONE who is willing to take her on is very welcome to send me a message and I will be happy to work something out with you. I am still waiting to hear from the previous owners on whether they will take her back or not.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hashope11 - 2013-11-19 9:21 PM So how do you sell a horse with this type of issue? The previous owners were supposed to call me back but they never did (not real surprised knowing now what I do). Like I said she's bred to the hills & has a really nice build. I am honest and will be completely upfront to anyone about this. But are there people out there that would still consider her with this issue?
I'm guessing she was a freak before you got her and just because she was bred to the hills, doesn't mean she ever was a good riding horse (probably why she became a broodmare  ). Guessing she had a good price too? If it sounds too good to be true and too easy to make a dollar, it probably is. I'd get her gone. |
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I Need a Xanax!
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| fatchance - 2013-11-20 6:14 PM
hashope11 - 2013-11-20 3:59 PM I did buy her as a project, but PROJECT and PROBLEM are two completely different things. I was very willing to work with her on her being rusty and needing to go back to the basics on barrels. However I am not willing to work out a problem of this magnitude, ESPECIALLY if it puts my family at risk. Granted this is a possible fix and could even be an easy one with a little time. BUT when that horse flipped back and came so close to my husband and kids, the buck stopped right there. I don't care if she was $1 million dollar horse, it just plain doesn't matter to me when it comes to my family. Sorry if I'm giving up too easy, but if something happened to my kids or anyone for that matter, because I was out to prove a point and keep an animal around that was this way, I would NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF. ANYONE who is willing to take her on is very welcome to send me a message and I will be happy to work something out with you. I am still waiting to hear from the previous owners on whether they will take her back or not.
I applaud you for having your priorities straight.
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Location: Qld Australia | I never said not to sell her, I said sell her with complete disclosure and even as a broodie she would be expected to be tied up. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hashope11 - 2013-11-20 5:59 PM I did buy her as a project, but PROJECT and PROBLEM are two completely different things. I was very willing to work with her on her being rusty and needing to go back to the basics on barrels. However I am not willing to work out a problem of this magnitude, ESPECIALLY if it puts my family at risk. Granted this is a possible fix and could even be an easy one with a little time. BUT when that horse flipped back and came so close to my husband and kids, the buck stopped right there. I don't care if she was $1 million dollar horse, it just plain doesn't matter to me when it comes to my family. Sorry if I'm giving up too easy, but if something happened to my kids or anyone for that matter, because I was out to prove a point and keep an animal around that was this way, I would NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF. ANYONE who is willing to take her on is very welcome to send me a message and I will be happy to work something out with you. I am still waiting to hear from the previous owners on whether they will take her back or not.
I still say you do what makes you feel better, having kids around horses that you just dont trust is a need to resell the animal. If I feel like an animal could be a danger to my family its gone. No way would I keep it |
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| I had a good gelding a few years ago that I sold to a young girl. She used him for one summer then went off to school and he stood around for about 3 yrs doing nothing but being served by people every day. They finally decided to sell him and I told another friend about him. When I took her to see him, he acted like he had never seen a saddle or pad before, he was rude and belligerant about being handled at all. We ended up bringing him back to my place and we took him right back to the round pen and worked the heck out of him, sacked him out with the pad and saddle and just got after him until he finally decided to give in and realize that the holiday was over, it took a few days before he quit testing us. My friend did end up buying him and now with consistant handling, he stands like a dream for saddling and his manners are much better.
My dad had a friend who was saddling a horse that was tied up and the horse pulled back, knocked her down and she was pinned between the horse and post and was killed. I rarely tie a horse tight while I'm saddling and cinching up now. I always pull the knot loose first. I do have one mare who will randomly pull back and when she does she doesn't quit until she breaks something. Sometimes months will go by with no incidents, then something will trigger her to pull. Be careful. |
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Location: Phoenix | Delta Cowgirl - 2013-11-20 3:55 PM My opinion... she is 15 years old and she has probably been pulling back for a long time..... and I doubt she will stop. If this is a safety issue for you, get rid of her. Breaking one of this habit is not easy and really takes some work / dedication... and then you have to really be "on your toes" forevermore. I would not be "making excuses" for her, i.e. it was the saddle, you rushed her, etc. Horses that pull back like that typically don't usually just suddenly start doing it over some small issue.
Ditto. I have a hard time believing a horse pulls back because of poor saddle fit. Give me a break! She does it because she's done it before. I'd get a tie blocker ring. Or hell, don't even tie her. Just send the lead rope through the trailer tie so she *thinks* she's tied up but isn't. We do this all the time wih horses that are sketchy like that. We don't have many, but we've had a couple that were silly like that. They are all business in the arena, just iffy at the trailer. |
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| Just sell her with a real clear disclaimer or let them buy her back discounted. If you are ok financially with giving her away do that! I've given 3 horses away and it always came back to me somehow with better horses down the road. I attribute that to God. No sense in feeding a horse you don't trust or have time to mess with. Get busy and act cuz times a wastin'. lol. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | You can do this...it is worth the try I think. Right now it doesn't matter how long she has done this or what they knew that they didn't disclose. Irritating but irreleva t right now. Let's rebrain her. She is acting like a colt that is learning to stand tied, so lets treat her like one. I know she is 15 but for this activity she is a baby and stuck mentally or spoiled, either way... You can help her get up to her age in a short period of time I promise. Sounds simple and it is but it's not easy because you have to exercise your best trainng attributes in order to help her...patience.
Her we go. Put her in a halter with a lead rope (in a safe pen) let her relearn giving to pressure. Spend those few days walking her grooming her pick up her feet, talk to her luv on her just like you do a baby.
Next, stand with her in your hand. Give her a command that says stand. If she takes a step move her feet. Reward her for standing with a pat and a good girl etc...let her go. Do that for a few days increasing g the amount of time that you make her stand still in your hand.
Next, tie...dont leave her. If she moves whe you give her the command to stand move her feet. A few days of ths increasing the expectation.
Next, approach with th saddle. Only place it on her. If she is nice, release and let her go. Few days of this as well as all of the above layered on.
Add the cinch just comi gu der her, don't tighter. If she is good release, bad, move her feet.
Keep progressing as if she is a baby. A few weeks and you might have an awesome horse.
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Sorry for all of the spelling errors....I should mention this has worked for me on several horses that I wanted to give up on. After this everything else was easy. Very rewarding if you can get her to work out her fear. |
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 How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | "Bred to the hills"? |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | crapshooter - 2013-11-21 6:39 PM
"Bred to the hills"?
She has nice breeding...dam and sire are both money earners and have produced money earners. Maybe your hills are different than someone else.  |
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Location: Moving soon..... | I would take her back. I bought a mare that set back and wanted to take her back but the previous owner wouldn't. She is retired. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | crapshooter - 2013-11-21 6:39 PM "Bred to the hills"?
I think the correct term is "bred to the hilt". LOL |
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| IF you don't like her try to take her back. If its only been a couple days and she was misrepresented you have a good leg to stand on legally. From experience once they learn they can get away if they do that they wont stop. I had a horse for 7 years he did it the entire time and now 10 years later he still does it at races. That's just his thing, but otherwise he is very nice in barrel and poles. |
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| I owned this mare for 4 yrs and trail rode her, gamed her and took her in several parades. Can I please talk with you :) I sold her to the lady that you got her from last weekend and Cash was sold by me knowing she has a history of pulling however we found ways to fix it when she would have an issue. I had luv this mare and hoped she would have a good home. I own her yrling gelding as well that I plan to raise and run someday. |
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| quote] Do you think they had her doped????
Most likely yes. I won't buy a horse without me having it for at least a week unless I know the people Real well.... Still not fail proof as some things last a month but they can't get a quick one over on you so easliy this way.
Sad but true
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Location: Living in my Promised Land | renowon - 2013-11-22 10:25 PM I owned this mare for 4 yrs and trail rode her, gamed her and took her in several parades. Can I please talk with you :) I sold her to the lady that you got her from last weekend and Cash was sold by me knowing she has a history of pulling however we found ways to fix it when she would have an issue. I had luv this mare and hoped she would have a good home. I own her yrling gelding as well that I plan to raise and run someday.
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boon
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| Cash is pulling to test if she can get loose. The saddling is a trigger but as you have seen not the problem. She needs to find out she can pull and pull but not break loose. Did the previous owner tell you I always tied her with a knotted halter no buckle and she never like to be tied alone without a buddy. I told them all they needed to know about Cash when I sold her!!! I wanted her to have a good home as I gave her for 4 yrs :) She will come out of it but not without working on it and knowing who cash is and her likes. I'm sorry if the owners you bought her from did not explain this too you. I promise you she was sold to them knowing that she has had a pulling issue in the past and how to work with this. |
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boon
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| I feel for her too!!!! It's amazing how you get in a horses head after a few yrs :) or even months |
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 Crazy Chicken Chick
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| Why not get a big tire to tie her to that she can drag a little ways and not feel trapped, but not go far? |
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| I had a big app gelding that was wonderful but started pulling back. He was big enough that he could break anything. After struggling, I just untied him when saddling, just laid the rope through the tie. When he started moving and the rope was not tight, he was fine. so where I really never tied him up tight and he was very easy to deal with then.
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 MEOW!
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Location: High heels in the air... | Go back to basics..round pen colt breaking 101...all my horses know hobbles...lots of ropes things swinging around, ect...she is a project for sure...no tying... Short positive lessons...make the good things easy, the bad things hard... |
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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | A horse that age doesn't start pulling back just like that! I would take her back or to an auction and be done with it. Its not worth getting hurt or wasting your time on a puke thats dangerous!! |
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 Toastest with the Mostest
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Location: That part of Texas | renowon - 2013-11-22 10:25 PM I owned this mare for 4 yrs and trail rode her, gamed her and took her in several parades. Can I please talk with you :) I sold her to the lady that you got her from last weekend and Cash was sold by me knowing she has a history of pulling however we found ways to fix it when she would have an issue. I had luv this mare and hoped she would have a good home. I own her yrling gelding as well that I plan to raise and run someday.
This is so nice of you to join BHW just to post and try to help the OP with this problem. I don't know of many other places where this could happen. That's awesome. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Red Raider - 2013-11-23 11:40 AM renowon - 2013-11-22 10:25 PM I owned this mare for 4 yrs and trail rode her, gamed her and took her in several parades. Can I please talk with you :) I sold her to the lady that you got her from last weekend and Cash was sold by me knowing she has a history of pulling however we found ways to fix it when she would have an issue. I had luv this mare and hoped she would have a good home. I own her yrling gelding as well that I plan to raise and run someday. This is so nice of you to join BHW just to post and try to help the OP with this problem. I don't know of many other places where this could happen. That's awesome.
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Just sick about this....any advice would be appreciated