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| I just purchased a new horse and I'm very excited about him! He is a 12YO stallion that has lived without contact with other horses for over 3 years. He has also lived in a 20ft round pen eating grass with no hay or grain. Needless to say, the little guy has had it rough the last few years, so don't judge too harsh on his pictures. :)
Supposedly, he was started on barrels and poles as a 3YO and was hauled for exposure but never shown. Since then, he's had hardly anything done with him. He was ridden once last year, and who knows how long before that. In the pics, his feet had not had his feet trimmed in well over a year. I am very excited for him, and can't wait to see what he looks like when he's fed up and in shape. I have high hopes for his next few years, and think he's really going to be an awesome horse. I can't wait to see what he can do in an arena!!
By the way, he needs a barn name :) he has a name now, but it's the same as one of my others.
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Location: Texas! | For real or no? If yes oy vey! You're much braver than I am! |
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Location: WV | First of all  for no picture. lol How about Sonny or Twister for a barn name. |
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Location: Texas! | GAMBLER!! lol cause holy cow what a gamble! But yes I agree with ^^^^ wheres the pictures?
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| His name is Twister, and I have one :) |
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Location: Red Raiderland | Oh wow. Has he bred before? Are you planning on gelding him? This is quite the project. Be careful.
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| And sorry for the picture delay, I had to resize them all after I made the post :)  |
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| He has had one foal out of a Dash For Perks mare that didn't make it past a year old. Her mom kicked her in the head and killed her. |
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| I know it's a crazy gamble, but I got him for a VERY decent price and have 5 mare owners lined up to breed to him in 2014. I also have an interested buyer waiting in the wings if he doesn't work for me. I know it'll be quite the project, but honestly, everything I own started out as a project. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | He's cute  , now dont take me as being a jerk, but why is he still a stud? I see a cute gelding in the making, but I just dont see a stud. Sorry  |
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Location: Florida.. | so you have 5 mares lined up ? why? hed make a good gelding i bet..
Have fun and good luck with him..
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Location: Arizona | Sounds like quite a project. Be careful. I hope you are successful with him. |
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| I get what you're saying about gelding him, my plan is to breed him to a couple of my first timers and if I don't like what he throws, he'll be on the literal chopping block. The outside mares are owned by people that know this horse and knew the filly he sired, and I guess they were impressed enough to come forward when they heard I bought him. |
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Location: Kansas | While he does have nice lines....please don't take this comment as being rude or knocking down your stallion.
He doesn't have the conformation I would expect too see or what when breeding my mare. He's very narrow chested, and it looks as though his front feet toe out a bit. I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but he has the conformation that my yearling does (growing) not as a 12 year old should have. Your best bet would be to gelding him and make a nice barrel horse out of him :)
And if you were wanting to get into breeding, it's not just "lets buy a stallion!" you should really speak with people who own stallions, and stand them to the public, alot goes into breeding a stallion such as mare care, cycles etc.....alot of people aren't willing to pay for pasture breeding (well I know I'm not). Please just becareful, especially since he hasn't been around other horses for a number of years. He could flip a switch and injury not only you, but your herd.
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| I appreciate all of your input and concern for my safety:) I have owned stallions before and was in a very nice breeding program before a nasty divorce took everything from me and left me with 2 horses out of the 40 we had, no truck or trailer and no house. Its taken 10 years to scrap together what I have now and I'm pleased with it, for the most part. I know its hard to believe, but I've seen a pic of this horse as a 3 YO when he was actually fed up and in shape and he is quite a looker. And his legs and feet were straight, but left to their own devices, they've grown out crazy. I hope to be able to post pics of him on here after he's with me a few months and for everyone to see the difference. And, like I said, if I don't like what he throws or even his attitude when he comes home, to the vet he'll go! Straight away. |
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Location: TEXAS | Sun_Ruler_86 - 2013-11-22 8:02 AM I appreciate all of your input and concern for my safety:) I have owned stallions before and was in a very nice breeding program before a nasty divorce took everything from me and left me with 2 horses out of the 40 we had, no truck or trailer and no house. Its taken 10 years to scrap together what I have now and I'm pleased with it, for the most part. I know its hard to believe, but I've seen a pic of this horse as a 3 YO when he was actually fed up and in shape and he is quite a looker. And his legs and feet were straight, but left to their own devices, they've grown out crazy. I hope to be able to post pics of him on here after he's with me a few months and for everyone to see the difference. And, like I said, if I don't like what he throws or even his attitude when he comes home, to the vet he'll go! Straight away.
Congrats! I think he looks pretty good for the abuse that he's been through in the past. I wish you a lot of success. Don't take it to heart what people say on this board. Sometimes it can get pretty nasty on here; everyone has their own opinion. I think whatever you do is your decision to make, so don't listen to other people. Good luck. |
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| KKCOWGIRL - 2013-11-22 8:42 AM
Sun_Ruler_86 - 2013-11-22 8:02 AM I appreciate all of your input and concern for my safety:) I have owned stallions before and was in a very nice breeding program before a nasty divorce took everything from me and left me with 2 horses out of the 40 we had, no truck or trailer and no house. Its taken 10 years to scrap together what I have now and I'm pleased with it, for the most part. I know its hard to believe, but I've seen a pic of this horse as a 3 YO when he was actually fed up and in shape and he is quite a looker. And his legs and feet were straight, but left to their own devices, they've grown out crazy. I hope to be able to post pics of him on here after he's with me a few months and for everyone to see the difference. And, like I said, if I don't like what he throws or even his attitude when he comes home, to the vet he'll go! Straight away.
Congrats! I think he looks pretty good for the abuse that he's been through in the past. I wish you a lot of success. Don't take it to heart what people say on this board. Sometimes it can get pretty nasty on here; everyone has their own opinion. I think whatever you do is your decision to make, so don't listen to other people. Good luck.
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Location: Florida.. | Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse .
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Location: TEXAS | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-22 8:53 AM Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse .
As stated: Sometimes it can get pretty nasty on here; everyone has their own opinion. |
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | My sister bought an appaloosa stud as a 9 year old, gelded him, retrained him and he turned out to be a great kids horse. Had a wonderful disposition. He was a halter champion in North Dakota on the ApHC circuit when he was younger. I rode him and showed him and then she sold him to a family for their little boy as a 4-H horse. Good luck with your project! It is a huge undertaking but can certainly has the potential to turn out well... |
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| I haven't bred anything to him yet, obviously. I haven't even got to bring him home yet. |
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Location: Oklahoma | His name needs to be Tadpole. :) That is what his face marking looks like. |
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Location: GA | clover girl - 2013-11-22 10:33 AM His name needs to be Tadpole. :) That is what his face marking looks like.
Creative!
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Location: Midwest | Good luck, hope you are paid up on your life insurance policy  |
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Location: So. Cali. | He has a kind eye. Not all stallions are people eaters. Good Luck with him. Atleast someone out there was willing to give him a chance.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-22 8:53 AM Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse .
I was not being rude or anyone else on here, you post and ask our opinion's on a public board and we are giving it.
What has this stud done in performance wise to want to breed to him? I still think he will made you a cute gelding, and he will have a better chance in life being gelded, I know that your trying to help him out and hugs to you for having a big heart , I have been in the same shoes as you at one time and I found out it was better to geld.  |
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Location: Texas | I think he looks like a Sunny. I'm not too original when it comes to names.
Given his tough background, I see no problem in putting weight on him, getting him in shape, and then deciding what to do with him. You don't sound like a backyard breeder, his pedigree isn't bad, and the pictures may not do him justice.
If the worst that happens is you breed him to the five mares owned by people who sought you out, then you cut him, so be it. From what you've described, it sounds like you want to see what he can do, which may include seeing if he can prove himself in the pen. If he does and he's a good boy, then leaving him intact is up to you.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 11:20 AM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-22 8:53 AM Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse . I was not being rude or anyone else on here, you post and ask our opinion's on a public board and we are giving it.
What has this stud done in performance wise to want to breed to him? I still think he will made you a cute gelding, and he will have a better chance in life being gelded, I know that your trying to help him out and hugs to you for having a big heart , I have been in the same shoes as you at one time and I found out it was better to geld.
I'm going to agree here.
His pedigree does nothing for me. There are some horses on it that are nice, but they aren't close. He has no performance record. He doesn't look like stallion material in the pictures. His conformation is not very good and weight will not fix that.
He has had a rough go and I applaud you for attempting to make him into something.....my opinion is that it should not be a stallion.
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2013-11-22 11:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 11:20 AM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-22 8:53 AM Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse . I was not being rude or anyone else on here, you post and ask our opinion's on a public board and we are giving it.
What has this stud done in performance wise to want to breed to him? I still think he will made you a cute gelding, and he will have a better chance in life being gelded, I know that your trying to help him out and hugs to you for having a big heart , I have been in the same shoes as you at one time and I found out it was better to geld.
His pedigree does nothing for me. There are some horses on it that are nice, but they aren't close. He has no performance record. He doesn't look like stallion material in the pictures. His conformation is not very good and weight will not fix that.
He has had a rough go and I applaud you for attempting to make him into something.....my opinion is that it should not be a stallion.
Agree
I commend you for giving him a home! I was joking btw...He could be very sweet. That's just more of a project than I would take on. Best of luck and do be careful! |
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| I've been known to take quite a few gambles on horses. They all turned out great and are kicking butt today. I would have done the same thing as you have. I hope he turns out great for you, Good Luck! He's got a kind eye like someone stated before. He could be a diamond in the rough. |
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| To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names....
Jake
Opossum
Chance (since your taking a chance on him)
I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there....
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there....
Fair enough.
How about No Kahonas? :) |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | LRQHS - 2013-11-22 11:59 AM JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there.... Fair enough.
How about No Kahonas? :)
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| LRQHS - 2013-11-22 11:59 AM
JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there....
Fair enough.
How about No Kahonas? :)
lol!
Freeballer
ballsout
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there....
You post asking anything about a horse and you will get opinions, if you ask for them are not. But I still say a better gelding then a stud.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LRQHS - 2013-11-22 12:01 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-22 11:59 AM JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there.... Fair enough.
How about No Kahonas? :)
I did throw Snip in there
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 12:04 PM JRC - 2013-11-22 11:56 AM To play devils advocate: I don't think she asked for anyone's opinion on to geld or not! She wanted suggestions on names.... Jake Opossum Chance (since your taking a chance on him) I don't know any more... I 'm not good at naming anything. Anything on our place is lucky to receive a barn name. They are usually just referred to as the brown mare, that sorrel gelding, paint, red, the crazy one, the witch out there.... You post asking anything about a horse and you will get opinions, if you ask for them are not. But I still say a better gelding then a stud.
Heres a few names:
Chip
Rounder
Snip
Key Word....
I'm not arguing with anyone about to de-ball or not.
You could go with:
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-22 10:54 AM LRQHS - 2013-11-22 11:47 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-22 11:20 AM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-22 8:53 AM Noone is being nasty.. its our """opinion""""" on breeding a horse that doesnt appear to be stud material..besides conformation .....how does he ride, how does he move, how does he behave, whats his temperment etc.. there are so many factors in deciding..
doesnt mean we dont like the horse . I was not being rude or anyone else on here, you post and ask our opinion's on a public board and we are giving it.
What has this stud done in performance wise to want to breed to him? I still think he will made you a cute gelding, and he will have a better chance in life being gelded, I know that your trying to help him out and hugs to you for having a big heart , I have been in the same shoes as you at one time and I found out it was better to geld.
His pedigree does nothing for me. There are some horses on it that are nice, but they aren't close. He has no performance record. He doesn't look like stallion material in the pictures. His conformation is not very good and weight will not fix that.
He has had a rough go and I applaud you for attempting to make him into something.....my opinion is that it should not be a stallion.
I commend you for giving him a home! I was joking btw...He could be very sweet. That's just more of a project than I would take on. Best of luck and do be careful!
Agree with all the above^^^^^^^ Cut that sucker ASAP not stallion material at all what so ever.... poor pedigree, poor build, un proven. |
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| Thank you for the name suggestions! I love Tadpole and Chance and Gambler. :) I think I'll wait til I get him home and see who he really is and try them all on him and see which sticks.
And as far as the concern for his being a stallion go, I'm wondering how anyone can expect a horse to have a performance record when he was never given the opportunity? This horse has never been given a chance to do anything to make him worthy. And I plan to show and rodeo him heavily and see what he can do in an arena. I understand that most people wouldn't breed to him, and that is their right. There are several horses that are proven and have a good reputation that I would never breed to. Everyone has a differing opinion on horses, bits, saddles, training styles, bloodlines, etc., etc.; the list goes on and on, as far as the eye can see. And that's why there is such a huge market for so many different things in this industry. Bad things happen when everybody gets hooked on the same thing (HYPP) and it creates a terrible name and reputation for anything that comes behind it that's related.
Anyhow, I am excited about him and am very much looking forward to seeing him healthy, in shape, and turning a set of cans.
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Location: Midwest | Sun_Ruler_86 - 2013-11-22 2:49 PM Thank you for the name suggestions! I love Tadpole and Chance and Gambler. :) I think I'll wait til I get him home and see who he really is and try them all on him and see which sticks. And as far as the concern for his being a stallion go, I'm wondering how anyone can expect a horse to have a performance record when he was never given the opportunity? This horse has never been given a chance to do anything to make him worthy. And I plan to show and rodeo him heavily and see what he can do in an arena. I understand that most people wouldn't breed to him, and that is their right. There are several horses that are proven and have a good reputation that I would never breed to. Everyone has a differing opinion on horses, bits, saddles, training styles, bloodlines, etc., etc.; the list goes on and on, as far as the eye can see. And that's why there is such a huge market for so many different things in this industry. Bad things happen when everybody gets hooked on the same thing (HYPP) and it creates a terrible name and reputation for anything that comes behind it that's related. Anyhow, I am excited about him and am very much looking forward to seeing him healthy, in shape, and turning a set of cans. Thanks, y'all, for your input.
I like chance a lot
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | Sun_Ruler_86 - 2013-11-22 2:49 PM
Thank you for the name suggestions! I love Tadpole and Chance and Gambler. :) I think I'll wait til I get him home and see who he really is and try them all on him and see which sticks.
And as far as the concern for his being a stallion go, I'm wondering how anyone can expect a horse to have a performance record when he was never given the opportunity? This horse has never been given a chance to do anything to make him worthy. And I plan to show and rodeo him heavily and see what he can do in an arena. I understand that most people wouldn't breed to him, and that is their right. There are several horses that are proven and have a good reputation that I would never breed to. Everyone has a differing opinion on horses, bits, saddles, training styles, bloodlines, etc., etc.; the list goes on and on, as far as the eye can see. And that's why there is such a huge market for so many different things in this industry. Bad things happen when everybody gets hooked on the same thing (HYPP) and it creates a terrible name and reputation for anything that comes behind it that's related.
Anyhow, I am excited about him and am very much looking forward to seeing him healthy, in shape, and turning a set of cans.
Thanks, y'all, for your input.
Good luck with him, he is cute.......and how many good barrel horses are the under dogs people never see coming ? you never know what a horse can do until you put them on the pattern ..........and how many horses don't have a perfect build but still kick but.......I wish you good luck with him .......and thank you for doing a nice thing for a deserving horse, regardless of what he ever does ...you are going to give him the best gift which is a happy life...and A life at that something he sounds like he has never had......God bless for that. |
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Location: Kansas | Sun_Ruler_86 - 2013-11-22 2:49 PM Thank you for the name suggestions! I love Tadpole and Chance and Gambler. :) I think I'll wait til I get him home and see who he really is and try them all on him and see which sticks. And as far as the concern for his being a stallion go, I'm wondering how anyone can expect a horse to have a performance record when he was never given the opportunity? This horse has never been given a chance to do anything to make him worthy. And I plan to show and rodeo him heavily and see what he can do in an arena. I understand that most people wouldn't breed to him, and that is their right. There are several horses that are proven and have a good reputation that I would never breed to. Everyone has a differing opinion on horses, bits, saddles, training styles, bloodlines, etc., etc.; the list goes on and on, as far as the eye can see. And that's why there is such a huge market for so many different things in this industry. Bad things happen when everybody gets hooked on the same thing (HYPP) and it creates a terrible name and reputation for anything that comes behind it that's related. Anyhow, I am excited about him and am very much looking forward to seeing him healthy, in shape, and turning a set of cans. Thanks, y'all, for your input.
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Location: Florida.. | He has a kind eye.. I was referring to you had 5 mares waiting to breed to him.. that caught my eye and i apologize.. I love stud horses.. but it doesnt mean id breed mares to them.. .. there is to many horses.. anyway .. good luck and have fun..
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | So you didn't like the name Eunuch then??? lol |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2013-11-22 5:29 PM So you didn't like the name Eunuch then??? lol
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