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Location: Bastrop, Texas | .....JFK was murdered in front of the world. Shot like a mangy dog alongside his wife. His head exploded. That's what happened. As I grow older and learn more about the man I realize that he really was a great President. He really was fiercely independent and courageous. Because of that he made enemies.
What do you think the world would look like had JFK served two terms?
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Location: Never in one place long | I think he was a great man too but he definetly was not perfect.... I think he loved his wife but he had relations with many other women on the side. oh well, I still like him, everyone has their imperfections..... BTW, have you read the book "Killing Kennedy" by Bill O'Reily? Very good read! I couldn't put it down. |
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Location: Oregon | I have been glued to the tv when any of the JFK specials have been on in the last week and it's so sad! He must have been an amazing man to have touched so many the way he did, must have really connected with the people. I watch footage of hundreds of people standing outside the hospital sobbing and even now, 50 years later, people that went through that time in history get all choked up all over again just talking about it. I compare the emotions that they must be feeling for that time as compared to my generations space shuttle explosion and 911. Gutwrenching emotion.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that. |
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | ~BINGO~ - 2013-11-22 11:15 AM
I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that.
I have an uncle who's a Texas ranger, he working on patrol that day, he got a call to go guard Gov Connally. He went by the car that Kenndey was in, said it was a size of a handful of brains. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I was brought up in a strong Republican family, and I always thought he was just a philandering liberal Democrat.
It wasn't until maybe 15-20 years ago that I actually started to read about him and I became more objective when it came to his leadership and his positions. For me it's fascinating, because I still remember a lot about the other prominent policians from those days. I think the 60s was the most interesting period in politics. Kennedy broke ranks with the Democrat establishment quite a lot in those days. He had political savy, but I don't think he was a fake. I think he was intellectually very honest. I guess I just get a little blue when I stop and realize how badly we need someone like him. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I am watching the History channel that has JFK: Three shots that changed America, so sad and scary  |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Kcaughran - 2013-11-22 9:21 AM ~BINGO~ - 2013-11-22 11:15 AM I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that. I have an uncle who's a Texas ranger, he working on patrol that day, he got a call to go guard Gov Connally. He went by the car that Kenndey was in, said it was a size of a handful of brains.
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Clint Hill wrote that book, he was the SS agent that jumped on the back of the limo.
It is on my must read list
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Location: North Central South Dakota, west of the Might Mo | I think he was a very great leader...I think his personal ethics were equally as bad.
I often wonder if we would have ended up in Nam if he would have been President.
His assination was a horrible thing. It has been horrible to lose any of our Presidents via assination, and it would be horrible with any of our Presidents, whether I like them or not.
I have read O'Reilly's Killing Kennedy and learned so much about the history of the time, Kennedy, and the Kennedy family as a whole.
My Dad still today, can tell you exactly where he was when he heard the horrible news. Every time we has passed that point on the road, he has pointed it out.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | DD2012 - 2013-11-22 11:46 AM Five Days in Nov. Clint Hill wrote that book, he was the SS agent that jumped on the back of the limo. It is on my must read list
I'd like to read this as well. I vividly remember the news from our teacher right after noon recess. |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2013-11-22 11:15 AM
I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that.
Yep and when Jacky crawls on the back of the limo it is to grab parts of his skull. |
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Location: Kentucky | DD2012 - 2013-11-22 12:46 PM Five Days in Nov. Clint Hill wrote that book, he was the SS agent that jumped on the back of the limo. It is on my must read list
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| Murphy - 2013-11-22 1:41 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-22 12:46 PM Five Days in Nov. Clint Hill wrote that book, he was the SS agent that jumped on the back of the limo. It is on my must read list
He also wrote Mrs. Kennedy and Me.... excellent read.
I was never a big Jackie O fan, probably because my Mother despised her.
SO that one never caught my eye
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Hannity had a guy on his show 2 nights ago, and this guy wrote a book that basically claims to support the idea that LBJ was the one responsible. |
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Hannity had a guy on his show 2 nights ago, and this guy wrote a book that basically claims to support the idea that LBJ was the one responsible.
would not surprise me at all.
LBJ was a dirty sorry SOB
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Location: Kansas and loving it | jbhoot - 2013-11-22 1:24 PM
~BINGO~ - 2013-11-22 11:15 AM
I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that.
Yep and when Jacky crawls on the back of the limo it is to grab parts of his skull.
Jackie was reaching for the ss agent. Bill Greer wad driving, Roy Kellerman was seated next to him. Then Gov Connally and his wife, then JFK and Jackie. My mother was friends with the Kellermans, she grew up in New Baltimore MI. |
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His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum.......
If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage.
You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage.
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Location: relocated to Texas | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-23 10:26 AM I was brought up in a strong Republican family, and I always thought he was just a philandering liberal Democrat.
It wasn't until maybe 15-20 years ago that I actually started to read about him and I became more objective when it came to his leadership and his positions. For me it's fascinating, because I still remember a lot about the other prominent policians from those days. I think the 60s was the most interesting period in politics. Kennedy broke ranks with the Democrat establishment quite a lot in those days. He had political savy, but I don't think he was a fake. I think he was intellectually very honest. I guess I just get a little blue when I stop and realize how badly we need someone like him.
When you listen to his speeches you woud swear you were listening to a Republican. His message is much the same as Ronald Reagan's. When did the Democrats allow the far left wing loons to take over their party? I would have no problem with a Democratic President like JFK. The country could use him right now. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | DD2012 - 2013-11-22 2:02 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 3:39 PM His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum....... If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage. You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage. Couple books you might want to read, interesting theory.
Mortal Error is one of them. You are not a ballistic expert, many EXPERTS disagree with the fact that a FMJ bullett exploded like it did.  A lot of questions remain.
I dont think we will ever know the truth.
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| justcruzin - 2013-11-22 4:34 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-22 2:02 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 3:39 PM His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum....... If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage. You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage. . You are not a ballistic expert,
The USMC would disagree with that.
And I also agree with you that we will never know the truth.
I never claimed that I believed in the single shooter version of events. Only stated that your claim of a FMJ projectile being incapable of inflicting that wound was false.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Hollywood's Fan - 2013-11-22 4:10 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-23 10:26 AM I was brought up in a strong Republican family, and I always thought he was just a philandering liberal Democrat.
It wasn't until maybe 15-20 years ago that I actually started to read about him and I became more objective when it came to his leadership and his positions. For me it's fascinating, because I still remember a lot about the other prominent policians from those days. I think the 60s was the most interesting period in politics. Kennedy broke ranks with the Democrat establishment quite a lot in those days. He had political savy, but I don't think he was a fake. I think he was intellectually very honest. I guess I just get a little blue when I stop and realize how badly we need someone like him. When you listen to his speeches you woud swear you were listening to a Republican. His message is much the same as Ronald Reagan's. When did the Democrats allow the far left wing loons to take over their party? I would have no problem with a Democratic President like JFK. The country could use him right now.
When did they change from not asking what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country? 
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I watched an interview with Clint Hill the other day...the SS man that jumped on the back of the limo. He believed that Jackie was trying to scoop up JFK's brain matter, not reaching for him, clint, for help...heart wrenching. They said he got to the limo in just about 2 seconds, the man stills wonders what would have happened if he had gotten there sooner. First shot rang out, he jumped off the car he was on and ran and just before he jumped on the limo the second shot hit....
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | jbhoot - 2013-11-22 1:24 PM ~BINGO~ - 2013-11-22 11:15 AM I was watching a program on JFK the other day, They showed the footage of when he was shot. It was the first time I've watched it. I about fell off the couch. It was so gruesome the way he "sprayed" after the second shot. I couldn't imagine being his wife, sitting next to him and witnessing that. Yep and when Jacky crawls on the back of the limo it is to grab parts of his skull.
Are you serious? I've been out so much I haven't been able to watch any of this. That poor woman. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Unfortunately it seems as though most people in America anymore consider that their freedom means not having to work to support themselves....freedom from the workplace so to speak. More People in California on Welfare than are employed...and 10 more states just like us! :-( What happened to the American Dream???? American Dream to me doesn't mean sitting home playing X-box eating cupcakes and drinking soda hoping your Lotto ticket pays off big time. American Dream to me means my Great Grandfather coming over here from GErmany and busting his butt at a factory to earn money to bring the rest of his family over and then buy land in Nebraska where they farmed and supported that family and still do today. My grandmother on the other side cooking breakfast lunch and dinner at a logging camp for 200+ men and my mom and aunts at the age of 3-6 doing the dishes for the same camp...they pulled themselves up.That is what America is about. Not free health care that others pay for because you just can't get your butt out of bed today and go get in line at the job fair. I believe this country was about opportunities to lift yourself up, not be given a hand out.
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Location: Florida.. | run n rate - 2013-11-22 7:21 PM Unfortunately it seems as though most people in America anymore consider that their freedom means not having to work to support themselves....freedom from the workplace so to speak. More People in California on Welfare than are employed...and 10 more states just like us! :- ( What happened to the American Dream???? American Dream to me doesn't mean sitting home playing X-box eating cupcakes and drinking soda hoping your Lotto ticket pays off big time. American Dream to me means my Great Grandfather coming over here from GErmany and busting his butt at a factory to earn money to bring the rest of his family over and then buy land in Nebraska where they farmed and supported that family and still do today. My grandmother on the other side cooking breakfast lunch and dinner at a logging camp for 200+ men and my mom and aunts at the age of 3-6 doing the dishes for the same camp...they pulled themselves up.That is what America is about. Not free health care that others pay for because you just can't get your butt out of bed today and go get in line at the job fair. I believe this country was about opportunities to lift yourself up, not be given a hand out. Sorry, vent for the day...
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | This is my uncle Tommy Walker......TOMMY WALKER: … I was there when Kennedy got killed. My partner was driving the car where…, was driving Johnson’s car. Milton Wright was driving a car in that…
ROBERT NIEMAN: Milton’s a retired Ranger and Sheriff down in the south…
TOMMY WALKER: He’s Bend, he’s Fort Bend.
ROBERT NIEMAN: Fort Bend, yeah.
TOMMY WALKER: He was driving one car. My partner, Herschell Jackson, was driving Johnson’s car which was in front of Kennedy’s car. And I’d been driving a car if I’d not been in the lead. Because the sergeant called and said the guy that’s not in the lead, show up in a suit and tie, tomorrow…, be driving a car.
ROBERT NIEMAN: So where were you at? TOMMY WALKER: I was on a road, I was out…, I was east of Dallas between Dallas and Terrell. Got a call and said the president has been shot, said you go to the intersection of I-30 and I-20 and kill all traffic, don’t let anything leave Dallas. That’s 5,000 cars an hour, and I was driving over there thinking, I don’t think I’m gonna be able to do that (laughter). I was about to call…, call in and say uh, you know, I.., am I gonna have any help you know, when I get there? Uh, and then about that time, they called back and said, dis…, uh disregard that transmission go to Parkland, find Connally and don’t leave him. So I went to Parkland, walked by the limousine that Kennedy’d been shot in and uh there was a handful of brains in there you could hold in your hand. And uh, went on and found Connally and stayed with him for about 20 hours…, and before they got everything organized and got a bunch of Highway Patrol in the, in the hospital to protect Connally. ROBERT NIEMAN: How long uh, did the bedlam last before some organization…
TOMMY WALKER: About 20 hours, everything was there, they had…, that hospital was flooded with Highway Patrol and very short time.
ROBERT NIEMAN: I know Max Womack was down at the World Trade Center where Kennedy was supposed to speak.
TOMMY WALKER: Oh really, did he
ROBERT NIEMAN: He’s on Highway Patrol.
TOMMY WALKER: Did he go to Parkland too?
ROBERT NIEMAN: You know, I don’t remember. He may have but I don’t..
TOMMY WALKER: I know they, they flooded Parkland. There was Highway Patrol everywhere ROBERT NIEMAN: You had to meet several of the reporters?
TOMMY WALKER: I don’t remember any reporters at all.
ROBERT NIEMAN: Did they have it cordoned off?
TOMMY WALKER: I guess they did. Yeah.
ROBERT NIEMAN: OK, what…
TOMMY WALKER: We had some problems with the Secret Service. They felt like they… they were in charge… and I don’t mean to belittle them, but they were trying to make decisions that just wasn’t rational decisions, I didn’t think.
ROBERT NIEMAN: Well, did uh uh
TOMMY WALKER: At my… at my post, where I wasn’t… I jumped around a little bit. Secret Service would walk up and I’d say, can’t go any further, I need to see your ID. And they would get real bad offended about it. And that’s the only thing. They didn’t want to show me their ID, but they did.
ROBERT NIEMAN: But they did.
TOMMY WALKER: Yeah.
ROBERT NIEMAN: Going back. Why did you transfer from uh uh New Boston to Dallas, from Dallas to Plainview?
TOMMY WALKER: Uh, well, uh, uh, me and uh Evans uh had a clash, and uh
ROBERT NIEMAN: That’s your partner?
TOMMY WALKER: No
ROBERT NIEMAN: That was your sergeant Texas Ranger, Retired
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Location: Colorado | DD2012 - 2013-11-22 3:40 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 4:34 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-22 2:02 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 3:39 PM His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum....... If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage. You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage. . You are not a ballistic expert, The USMC would disagree with that. And I also agree with you that we will never know the truth. I never claimed that I believed in the single shooter version of events. Only stated that your claim of a FMJ projectile being incapable of inflicting that wound was false.
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Location: relocated to Texas | run n rate - 2013-11-23 5:21 PM Unfortunately it seems as though most people in America anymore consider that their freedom means not having to work to support themselves....freedom from the workplace so to speak. More People in California on Welfare than are employed...and 10 more states just like us! :- ( What happened to the American Dream???? American Dream to me doesn't mean sitting home playing X-box eating cupcakes and drinking soda hoping your Lotto ticket pays off big time. American Dream to me means my Great Grandfather coming over here from GErmany and busting his butt at a factory to earn money to bring the rest of his family over and then buy land in Nebraska where they farmed and supported that family and still do today. My grandmother on the other side cooking breakfast lunch and dinner at a logging camp for 200+ men and my mom and aunts at the age of 3-6 doing the dishes for the same camp...they pulled themselves up.That is what America is about. Not free health care that others pay for because you just can't get your butt out of bed today and go get in line at the job fair. I believe this country was about opportunities to lift yourself up, not be given a hand out. Sorry, vent for the day...
We should have learned a lesson from watching Cali go bankrupt under the liberal rule. Instead, they are trying to do the same thing to the entire country.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't understand something. I've seen supposed Xrays of Kennedy's skull showing multiple, scattered bullet fragments, but I thought the bullet was recovered in pristine condition. How can that be with a FMJ bullet? I'm a hunter and I own guns, but I'm no ballistics expert.
I think it's possible that somehow Oswald was coerced or encouraged or bribed into making the hit. There are just so many connections that have been uncovered. Kennedy humiliated the Soviets in Laos, Berlin ("Ech bin ein Berliner"), and over the Cuban missle crisis. He also was no friend of the mob and went after them with avengeance. Bobby went after them mercilessly, and he also went after union corruption and uncovered the connection between unions and the mob. RFK wrote a book "The Enemy Within" in which he sought to bring corrupt union practices to light. The mob held the opinion that the way to get RFK off their back was to "cut the head off the snake", meaning, if you get rid of JFK, you get rid of Bobby. Of course, Castro had plenty of reasons to knock off JFK as well. JFK also had an affair with mob boss Sam Giancana's mistress. Kennedy was constantly at odds with the military top brass, and he humiliated them over the Cuban missle crisis when he refused to launch an invasion of Cuba, which they all wanted (luckily for us). Then there was this constant war between Kennedy and the CIA. It is said that Kennedy had plans of dismantling the CIA. LBJ was miserable as Vice President. He hated Bobby with a passion, and there was no love loss between JFK and LBJ. Then Oswald had this time in the Soviet Union, and was a vocal supporter of Cuba and Castro. Oswald had visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico City just weeks before the assassination. Jack Ruby was a loose cannon and he had mob ties, plus he supposedly knew he had cancer at the time he whacked Oswald.
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-22 4:40 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 4:34 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-22 2:02 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 3:39 PM His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum....... If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage. You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage. . You are not a ballistic expert,
The USMC would disagree with that.
And I also agree with you that we will never know the truth.
I never claimed that I believed in the single shooter version of events. Only stated that your claim of a FMJ projectile being incapable of inflicting that wound was false.
It's the "pristine" bullet that really bothers me. I guess they have proven that it is possible but I find it highly unlikely after all the damage it did.
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1. What about all the witnesses that said they saw gun fire from the grassy knoll?
2. How did Oswald get to the break room in minutes after the shooting drinking a coke. But yet know saw him on the stair case?
3. How about the hooker that was later found dead after she tried to tell them about what was going to happen?
4. It seemed as if Oswald was set up on the shooting of the police officer, when the lone witness said it was not Oswald?
I have told my children that the warren report will be read after I am gone. They better come to my grave and tell me what it says!!!!
Cause I believe it was not a lone shooter.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2013-11-23 10:39 AM Nevertooold - 2013-11-22 6:06 PM I don't remember this..
JFK was a life member of NRA.
One thing that always makes me scratch my head is how even so-called "conservative" pundits say that Kennedy was "socially liberal" in some areas, such as Civil Rights. Why is it assumed that civil rights was a liberal agenda? Go back and look at the Civil Rights bill of 1964 under LBJ. That bill was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans. The fillibuster in the senate that tried to kill the bill was led by a Democrat leader, Robert Byrd, the one time Grand Cyclops of the KKK. Where does it say that civil rights is a liberal position? If anything, it's the other way around. I'm not saying that Kennedy didn't have any liberal positions, but to say his stance on civil rights was liberal is a flat out lie. Teddy Kennedy used to bristle at the notion that JFK was conservative. There was a time when liberal was not synonymous with Democrat. At least on the national level, a "conservative Democrat" is virtually extinct yet the media lets the Democrats get away with this notion of a "big tent". What a farce.
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DD2012 - 2013-11-22 4:40 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 4:34 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-22 2:02 PM justcruzin - 2013-11-22 3:39 PM His head exploded, hit by a full metal jacket , a bullett designed to pierce through. Hum....... If you are suggesting that a FMJ bullet could not have inflicted that amount of damage. You would need to study up on Terminal Ballistics, but short version is that yes, a FMJ projectile impacting the back of your brain bucket can and will cause cataclysmic damage. . You are not a ballistic expert,
The USMC would disagree with that.
And I also agree with you that we will never know the truth.
I never claimed that I believed in the single shooter version of events. Only stated that your claim of a FMJ projectile being incapable of inflicting that wound was false.
Your professional thoughts?
Once again.
I'm not claiming that the bullet that is said to have done the damage is the one that actually did.
I am just stating that a single FMJ bullet is capable of doing what was done to JFK's head.
As I said earlier I think it's fairly obvious that there was/is more to the story than we will ever know and there is little doubt, in my mind at least, that Oswald was a patsy/fall guy.
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TXBO - 2013-11-23 10:39 AM Nevertooold - 2013-11-22 6:06 PM I don't remember this..
JFK was a life member of NRA.
Old School Southern Democrats were the biggest civil rights offenders of all.
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-23 11:23 AM Once again. I'm not claiming that the bullet that is said to have done the damage is the one that actually did. I am just stating that a single FMJ bullet is capable of doing what was done to JFK's head. As I said earlier I think it's fairly obvious that there was/is more to the story than we will ever know and there is little doubt, in my mind at least, that Oswald was a patsy/fall guy.
I'm following you. No doubt that particular type of bullet can do that kind of damage. I've also seen ballistic reinactments.
I'm asking your professional opinion on the possiblity of the bullet being so pristine after inflicting all the damage it is regarded to have done. |
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The obvious question to me is why do we have to wait until 2017 to see all of the documents and evidence? Yes, a lot has been released to the public, but I can only draw one conclusion from that alone. Obviously there's a reason to keep it hidden. Why?
There are just too many coincidences and connections. It's chilling to me to think that forces withing our government could somehow be ultimately directly responsible. You sure as heck don't want to pis$ off the CIA with all their covert tools and connections. These people's main objective is "covert" and they have all the power in the world to hide things....that's their job.
I just don't buy the "lone wolf" explanation. To simply state that "there's no proof" for one conspiracy theory or another doesn't cut it. Of course there's "no proof". The "proof has successfully been "eliminated" or hidden until everyone from that time is dead and buried.
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Proud to be Deplorable
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| Until somebody tells me HOW a 6.5mm bullet makes a 6 mm hole in the back of his head and how a FMJ bullet leaves fragments in the skull....I am not buying the lone shooter BS. Bullets do not shrink in flight .5mm and FMJ bullets do not leave fragments and than are recovered missing zero material. |
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| TXBO - 2013-11-23 11:32 AM
DD2012 - 2013-11-23 11:23 AM Once again. I'm not claiming that the bullet that is said to have done the damage is the one that actually did. I am just stating that a single FMJ bullet is capable of doing what was done to JFK's head. As I said earlier I think it's fairly obvious that there was/is more to the story than we will ever know and there is little doubt, in my mind at least, that Oswald was a patsy/fall guy.
I'm following you. No doubt that particular type of bullet can do that kind of damage. I've also seen ballistic reinactments.
I'm asking your professional opinion on the possiblity of the bullet being so pristine after inflicting all the damage it is regarded to have done.
Yes that type of bullet will maintain it's integritity unless it hits something very hard.
But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is no way in hell(my opinion) that the magic bullet theory works.
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Googly Goo
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-23 1:26 PM TXBO - 2013-11-23 11:32 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-23 11:23 AM Once again. I'm not claiming that the bullet that is said to have done the damage is the one that actually did. I am just stating that a single FMJ bullet is capable of doing what was done to JFK's head. As I said earlier I think it's fairly obvious that there was/is more to the story than we will ever know and there is little doubt, in my mind at least, that Oswald was a patsy/fall guy. I'm following you. No doubt that particular type of bullet can do that kind of damage. I've also seen ballistic reinactments.
I'm asking your professional opinion on the possiblity of the bullet being so pristine after inflicting all the damage it is regarded to have done. Yes that type of bullet will maintain it's integritity unless it hits something very hard. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is no way in hell (my opinion ) that the magic bullet theory works.
Interesting thanks.... Now part two.
After clearing all those targets in pristine order, what are the chances of it losing enough velocity to not lodge in anything else in the car? Does that makes sense? It must have retained a pretty high velocity to clear those targets. |
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| Oswald was set up a fall guy. |
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