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| I have a mare sh is Quincy Dan bred she is 16 years old. All the paper work was in line when she was younger, no one ever sent it in. Jumping through a CRAP TON of hoops. I found the farm she was born at AND the people who owned her up until she was sold at 6 months. I have since sent papers for them to sign, a transfer paper etc. I have never heard back. I have talked with the AQHA they told me I NEEDED to get that transfer paper signed or else I wouldn't be able to ever get her registered. Is there anyway that the AQHA can somehow 'get them' to sign it?? Or is there somehow I can bypass this by any chance?? She is register able I just need that transfer signed. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | No, there isn't an honest way to bypass it...and shouldn't be either. I just don't understand why breeders don't register them or the buyers?? I register all mine within a month of them being born. At least everything is done on my end. I have had a couple die, so it was a waste of money, but such is life I guess. |
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| Some people choose to sell the horses without papers for less money, as they cannot get the price they think the horse is worth with the papers.
Sorry to say you probably have a grade horse.
Also if she wasn't registered and 16 years old both sire and dam would have to have DNA on file or still be alive |
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Location: Florida.. | Agree.. I think you have a grade horse. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 5:03 PM
Some people choose to sell the horses without papers for less money, as they cannot get the price they think the horse is worth with the papers.
Sorry to say you probably have a grade horse.
Also if she wasn't registered and 16 years old both sire and dam would have to have DNA on file or still be alive
Both Sire and Dam are DNA tested. Her Sire died about 5/6 years ago, I don't know about her Dam. |
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| That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed. |
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Location: Florida.. | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
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Location: Texas | Print a transfer again, fill it out and send it to the people, along with a self addressed, stamped envelope. If that doesn't get a response, I guess you're SOL.
I did have AQHA contact me about a year ago on a horse I'd sold 7-8 years ago. The new owner sent in the papers and he was still in my name (I guess they didn't have a transfer). I couldn't remember who I sold him to originally, so I stated that, signed the transfer, and I guess he got his papers.
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything. |
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | If they don't want to sign there is no way around it. I tried all last summer to get lost papers on a mare that is registered. The breeder would not sign off on anything! Very frustrating and I'm not sure why some are so against helping out in these types of situations. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hank520 - 2013-11-24 4:30 PM If they don't want to sign there is no way around it. I tried all last summer to get lost papers on a mare that is registered. The breeder would not sign off on anything! Very frustrating and I'm not sure why some are so against helping out in these types of situations.
I don't get it either. I have a friend that was given a colt that had a crooked foot. He came unregistered, but the breeder was her paster and so she begged him for the papers. He finally relented and this horse has gone on to be a decent barrel horse for her and is the breeders only proven performer (raises ranch stuff). Not that it makes a deal either way, but if they are out of known parents, why not. In the case of the crooked legged colt, I understand why he didn't want his name associated with it, but he has a lot more crap to worry about with his breeding program than that one crooked baby. |
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| It all comes down to money, people think their horse with the papers is worth so much money, if they cannot get that price, and need to move the horse they are willing to take less for a grade horse.
The people don't want someone else to get the profit that should have been theirs
I know a lot of breeders in my area that do this, if you want the papers you pay 100-500 for them to sign the paperwork on a weanling |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:25 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything.
Then it's a lesson learned to check out the status of the registration papers before buying the horse. Be business minded. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-11-24 5:41 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:25 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything. Then it's a lesson learned to check out the status of the registration papers before buying the horse. Be business minded.
I'm not big on registration. I don't plan on ever getting rid of her so. She was bought as a trail mare for my boyfriend. But I would really like to breed her for a barrel baby. That's why I want to get her registered. I don't want the baby to be grade either. <<< Let me rephrase that. I am big on registration, because I believe in it. I just wasn't ever big on registration with her, because she was just a trail mare. But since my boyfriend and I have decided to breed her. I want her registered.
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| Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:49 PM
Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it.
I would be rude to if I had people out of the blue calling me up harassing me.
From your posts it is confusing as you said you have the papers 1997 but they are bleached out, then yes she was registered and all you need is a transfer report.
Are you sure that the papers match the horse you have, as I know many horse dealers who would mix papers up and even knowingly switch papers on certain horses.
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 5:55 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:49 PM
Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it.
I would be rude to if I had people out of the blue calling me up harassing me.
From your posts it is confusing as you said you have the papers 1997 but they are bleached out, then yes she was registered and all you need is a transfer report.
Are you sure that the papers match the horse you have, as I know many horse dealers who would mix papers up and even knowingly switch papers on certain horses.
I wasn't harassing her at all. I was just trying to talk to her. These ARE her registration papers yes, but they were NEVER sent in. They are signed by the man who used to own her. He sold her, before he ever sent those papers in. The lady she was with, never sent them in. They got sun bleached and were stuck in a folder for the rest of the time they had her. |
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Location: Texas | Are you talking "REGISTERED" as in a Registration , or "Transfered" as in already registered and change of ownership? Or do you have the "Applicaton for Registration"? I can see why she might be confused....I am from the info you have given.
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Location: Florida.. | the lady that didnt send them in is who you bought her from? |
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:04 PM
Are you talking "REGISTERED" as in a Registration , or "Transfered" as in already registered and change of ownership?
I'm not sure!! I am all confused now! Thinking about it. If I have to GET her transferred she'd already be registered right??? |
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 6:04 PM
the lady that didnt send them in is who you bought her from?
No, she went to one lady after the man, to another then me. So only 4 people. |
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Location: Texas | What do you have in your posession? What does it say? Does SHE have a registered name and number?
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seems you need a signature as AQHA said..
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| Post a picture of the paper you have, as to me it sounds like she is registered, and you need to look at the papers see who the last owner listed on the papers, and that is who aqha has to contact and ask for a transfer.
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:10 PM
What do you have in your posession? What does it say? Does SHE have a registered name and number?
I have a paper and a coggins with 'Dash Blue Sugar' in it. Scott Hiat ID 1295357 Bottinay ND.
Her registered and DNA tested parents.
'Twisty Hope Quincy' #2892470
'Quincy's Fancy Cat' #2897418
Breeder Curtis Fisher JR ID 1692404 Bismark ND.
At the top of the sun bleached paper I have. It says 'Registration Application'.
THEN I have a letter FROM the AQHA to a Patricia Long, of Sparta MO. It had nothing in it, just the envelope.
I can't make out a registration number I can't see that part of the paper. |
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Location: Texas | I didn't find a registered horse under that name. What you seem to have is an application for registration which means "Not Registered at this time." She is way too old to register now. |
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:23 PM
I didn't find a registered horse under that name. What you seem to have is an application for registration which means "Not Registered at this time." She is way too old to register now.
The AQHA told me as long as her parents are DNA tested and I can get him to sign it then I could get her registered?? |
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Location: Florida.. | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:25 PM Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:23 PM I didn't find a registered horse under that name. What you seem to have is an application for registration which means "Not Registered at this time." She is way too old to register now. The AQHA told me as long as her parents are DNA tested and I can get him to sign it then I could get her registered??
so what is your question?I guess Im confused. |
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Location: Texas | I would doubt due to her age that parents were DNA'd. ANother thing is the Cost to register her. $540 for a non member, $500 for Member . 50 for her DNA test and a $15 transfer from the breeder to owner. The youngest foal would have been from 2002. These parents are 1990 models, and have likely been dropped from the systems due to age.
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:31 PM
I would doubt due to her age that parents were DNA'd. ANother thing is the Cost to register her. $540 for a non member, $500 for Member . 50 for her DNA test and a $15 transfer from the breeder to owner.
I called th AQHA personally and had them check. She said bot sire and dam were DNA tested. This is a big giant crap of a mess. All because someone wouldn't send in papers. To much headache. |
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| https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/s720x720/1420652_... << Paper.
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/s720x720/1481325_... < Coggins
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/v/s720x720/1420046_... < Evelope.
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/s720x720/1481794_... << Information paper that came with her. |
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| Had a thought. Is there anyway if you can look up, if her mom had a foal in 1997?? I filly?? |
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Location: Texas | I personally wouldn't mess with it. For some reason someone loaded her info into the Allbreedpedigree.com database as registered? Why do you need her papers now?
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:40 PM
I personally wouldn't mess with it. For some reason someone loaded her info into the Allbreedpedigree.com database as registered? Why do you need her papers now?
I added her on there. I've got someone looking it up. I want her papers or to get her registered because I would like to breed her. I don't want a grade foal. I want a foal with nice pedigree just encase I ever have to sell. |
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| If I look at a horse for sale, THE FIRST THING that I do is check the ownership with AQHA. If the papers are not in order I move on to the next horse.
You clearly bought the horse as unregistered. If you look at AQHA rules, it is the SELLER"S responsibility to transfer the papers. The horse was never registered or transferred after 15 years. AQHA is going to create problems for the original owner. I would be a little reluctant to help you either.
I NEVER have a problem with AQHA because I have my papers BACK in 10 days after I buy them. My foals are registered within two weeks after they are born. I have their papers back in 10 days also. (with parentage verified) |
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Location: Texas | There is one registered sorrel filly 1997 from that cross. Her name is "Hopes Fancy Cat". Allbreed shows three foals in 1997 for that cross. |
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| Honeymoney - 2013-11-24 6:48 PM
If I look at a horse for sale, THE FIRST THING that I do is check the ownership with AQHA. If the papers are not in order I move on to the next horse.
You clearly bought the horse as unregistered. If you look at AQHA rules, it is the SELLER"S responsibility to transfer the papers. The horse was never registered or transferred after 15 years. AQHA is going to create problems for the original owner. I would be a little reluctant to help you either.
I NEVER have a problem with AQHA because I have my papers BACK in 10 days after I buy them. My foals are registered within two weeks after they are born. I have their papers back in 10 days also. (with parentage verified)
I'm all new to this registration thing. All I am trying to do is figure it out. Is she registered or is she not or can I get it done. The AQHA said I could. I'm about done with this though, its been more headache then anything. Its not worth it. |
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:52 PM
There is one registered sorrel filly 1997 from that cross. Her name is "Hopes Fancy Cat". Allbreed shows three foals in 1997 for that cross.
That's what I found too. I am thinking that might be here and the papers I have were papers that weren't ever sent in and they go new ones etc. I'm gonna call the AQHA up tomorrow and see if I can get anymore information. I have a friend getting ready to look it up too. So maybe, doubt it though. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:40 PM
Had a thought. Is there anyway if you can look up, if her mom had a foal in 1997?? I filly??
It will only tell you what foals were registered, does not include non registered foals |
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 6:57 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:40 PM
Had a thought. Is there anyway if you can look up, if her mom had a foal in 1997?? I filly??
It will only tell you what foals were registered, does not include non registered foals
No I know. But if the filly was born in 1997, it might possibly be my mare. I have no idea this thing sucks, big time xD. To much trouble, I'm done. |
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This is the most current Coggins test? WOW It is illegal to sell a horse in TX without a current Coggins test. It is the seller's responsibility. That is the second question that I ask the seller---Is the Coggins current.
Those do not appear to be registration papers and you will need to have way more than a signed transfer. By the way, it costs at least $300 to register at that age and another $65 to verify parentage, which you have to have to breed the mare.
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:52 PM
There is one registered sorrel filly 1997 from that cross. Her name is "Hopes Fancy Cat". Allbreed shows three foals in 1997 for that cross.
If there is already one foal registered from that cross in that year you are now hooped, as aqha will reject it as it is very unlikely the dam would have had twins.
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| Honeymoney - 2013-11-24 7:00 PM
This is the most current Coggins test? WOW It is illegal to sell a horse in TX without a current Coggins test. It is the seller's responsibility. That is the second question that I ask the seller---Is the Coggins current.
No no!!! That is the coggins tied to the application thingy. Her coggins was pulled last year. |
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Location: Texas | What color is your mare?
The owners and breeders are accurate for "Hopes Fancy Cat" as per your documents. Last recoreded owner is 2008. Where did you get the name Dash Blue Sugar?
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Location: Florida.. | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 8:00 PM Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 6:52 PM There is one registered sorrel filly 1997 from that cross. Her name is "Hopes Fancy Cat". Allbreed shows three foals in 1997 for that cross. If there is already one foal registered from that cross in that year you are now hooped, as aqha will reject it as it is very unlikely the dam would have had twins. Sorry girl you got taken
yes she did.. if her mare isnt registered...
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:01 PM
What color is your mare?
The owners and breeders are accurate for "Hopes Fancy Cat" as per your documents. Last recoreded owner is 2008. Where did you get the name Dash Blue Sugar?
Its what was written on the Envelope and what was written on the big yellow folder I got. She's gray now, white basically. I don't know if she totally went from gray to white(yes I know there is no such thing as a white horse but its only how I can think of her color). Coggins that was pulled on her first say that she has a blaze, she doesn't have the blaze anymore, but she does have the white marking on her nose. Said she had a sock too, but its all white now. |
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| She had a half brother that came from the same place she did. Her half brother and her were both owned by the lady I got her from. And he was a registered QH out ot Twisty Hope Quincy. |
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Location: Texas | Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless. |
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Location: Florida.. | says on her papers she was bought at a stockyard so Id guess they arent here papers..
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| Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM
Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless.
Awesome -_-!!! So chances are she's either younger or older then I think she is to be and possibly is registered but I will never be able to find out? |
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 7:08 PM
she was bought at a stockyard ?
Springfield Missouri Horse Auction yes. |
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Location: Florida.. | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 8:09 PM Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless. Awesome -_-!!! So chances are she's either younger or older then I think she is to be and possibly is registered but I will never be able to find out?
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Location: ND | wow...three pages on this......
no....based on what is provided, your horse is not registered.....although obviously, AQHA has told you this already.......
what you have is an old faded registration application......the horse sold with the application.....as do many horses.....nothing wrong with that......nobody obviously thought it was worth registering her.....that previously owned her anyway.....
i'm not sure why, if you have a signed registration application, that AQHA needs a transfer but i guess if you can't read anything on it, then it's a problem......and thus need a transfer to send in with the application.......
so, i guess that leaves you where your at....if they don't want to give you a transfer then you're just out of luck....and honestly, i don't think i'd be to ****ed with them....i'd wonder too if some crazy lady called me about some sixteen year old horse that they wanted a transfer on that i sold.....not that i wouldn't necessarily do it but i don't think it should irritate you if they don't .....you knew the horse had never been registered when you bought it.... |
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 7:10 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 8:09 PM Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless. Awesome -_-!!! So chances are she's either younger or older then I think she is to be and possibly is registered but I will never be able to find out?
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Location: ND | Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless.
i wouldn't put much stock in going by the color on a set of papers.....they may or may not be right......either way, your bigger point is spot on.....forget breeding her for a colt with papers anyway..... |
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Location: Florida.. | exactly what he said.
you bought a grade mare ..
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Location: Qld Australia | OP - Good luck, I have read all your post and can understand completly why you are trying to track down this information and applaud you for wanting to get this done before breeding her. From what you have written here though, I can see why the breeder acted confused, I am totally confused too. I DO NOT mean that in a nasty way, just saying I understand why the breeder may have been a bit funny. Again, good luck.
A few years ago, we bought an awesome older mare, all registered etc but not DNA'd as not needed at that point due to her age. She had produced brilliant performance horses and her daughters had gone on to be great broodmares too. Devistatingly, she died after foaling, the vet could not save her. A week and a half later, a lady we did not know rang us. She had bought an unregistered gelding out of her and needed the dam's DNA for registration. We explained that she had died and sorry, we did not keep any hair. This lady wanted us to DIG HER UP!!!!!!!! He!! no lady. |
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Location: Qld Australia | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-25 11:09 AM
Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM
Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless.
Awesome -_-!!! So chances are she's either younger or older then I think she is to be and possibly is registered but I will never be able to find out?
Many people mistakingly register gray horses on their base coat so it could be possible that this is the mare. I have a gray mare that had a base coat of BAY and she was registered as RED ROAN. (I got that fixed lol). |
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| Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!! |
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Location: ND | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:35 PM Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!!
well.....then you need to track down the owner of that registered horse because what you have is documentation that came with a horse that says she has never been registered....the more you dig into this, the bigger mess you are finding......good luck...i think you are in for a lot more surprises about his down the road |
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Location: ND | so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare???? |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:35 PM
Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!!
So your plan now is to contact every owner of a horse out of the stud?
I suggest letting it go, the horse you have is a grade mare and to prove otherwise is going to be very difficult, and your digging around and calling people out of the blue with your story is going to be very sketchy.
You already accused the lady you spoke to of being rude, and you were not even providing her with accurate details or terminology. What are you going to say on a public forum about the other people who you are going to contact |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM
so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare????
No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND. |
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| All I am trying to do is fined out information. I have no more leads and I will call the lady back tomorrow and apologize. |
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Location: Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 8:03 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:48 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare???? No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND.
Thanks for putting my thought into words! |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:48 PM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM
so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare????
No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND.
Aqha has spark of hope as a 1973 registered quarter horse, not the same horse on allbreepedigree.
Please before you start calling random people have all your ducks in a row |
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Location: Florida.. | I think you have a grade mare and there is no paper trail to her.. shes from a stockyard.. anything could have been sent with her.. I would not bother those other people anymore..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2013-11-24 8:21 PM
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| My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up. |
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Location: Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
Oh well, just enjoy your nice mare and don't worry about papers. At age 16, I doubt the work, $$ and worry is even worth it.
Later on, buy yourself a super well bred mare and breed her to a nice stud and go win with the baby. |
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| Fun2Run - 2013-11-24 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
Oh well, just enjoy your nice mare and don't worry about papers. At age 16, I doubt the work, $$ and worry is even worth it.
Later on, buy yourself a super well bred mare and breed her to a nice stud and go win with the baby.
Wasn't to worried about papers until I wanted to breed her. Because I know how many people don't like 'grade' horses. So I was trying to save the foal just encase I needed to sell it. She's here to stay till she gets old and crosses over. So I have no worries about papers. I have 2 other grades, a QH mix and a Paint gelding. My QH mix can run so we'll see what next year brings. |
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Location: ND | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
wise decision |
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| The reason why people don't like grade horses is you can't prove breed, lineage, or age. There are some wonderful grade horses out there, but the problem is there are more dishonest people selling horses each day IMO, I like the papers as then I can prove age, I like lineage as it increases their value.
One thing to think on if you truly want to breed this mare, look at the incentive programs as then you will have some record of lineage and age. This may help if you ever need to sell the foal.
But before you start bidding make sure the stallion owner will breed to a grae mare as some will not |
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Location: Texas | With all of the hassle and expense of registering an older horse, I would use that money to buy a nice weanling or yearling and know exacting what you are getting. And it will save a year in the process. |
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Location: Florida.. | RocketPilot - 2013-11-25 12:10 AM
With all of the hassle and expense of registering an older horse, I would use that money to buy a nice weanling or yearling and know exacting what you are getting. And it will save a year in the process.
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Location: Midwest | Ok, I don't mean this to be snarky, but why do you want to breed this mare if she's only ever been a trail horse and you don't know her lines?
Grades are a dime a dozen, ready to go, and cheap. Or buy something from proven stock already on the ground that can be papered.... |
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Registration problems (Quarter horse) help??