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| So we have a barrel racing club where I live that does equal payouts at each barrel race. Where the top 1d horses get paid the exact same as a 4d horse at every monthly jackpot. Now there is another club starting here and they are having everyone vote on what they want - equal or not. I don't think this is right, but for some reason I know I will be outnumbered by the girls around here. Just curious of the thoughts from you guys. Do you think this is fair? Would you support these races? |
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Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half?
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Location: Oklahoma | This is a highly debated topic. You can do a search on here and probably find another (really long and heated) thread about this subject. There are good arguments for both sides, but in reality it all just depends on the producer. In my area there are many races of each kind and they all draw about the same amount of contestants, and usually many of the same contestants.
IMO the fastest run should get the biggest paycheck, and last place in the bottom D should get at least their fees back. |
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Location: Colorado | I do not agree with equal payouts. Very single place after 1st in the 1D is crap shoot, the horse and rider that actually win the race deserve the bigger payout, IMO.
Also, my good mare runs anywhere from 3D to 1D, and that is still my stance. |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | DD2012 - 2013-11-25 2:25 PM
I think equal payout is awesome
Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half?
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Location: Colorado | DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half?
The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Obama highly approves of equal payout. |
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| runs4fun - 2013-11-25 2:43 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 3:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? That's right! And why should a solid 1D horse sell for $50,000 and my 4D only for $4,500, I think he's worth the same $50,000 as that 1D horse! I'm an EO barrel racer, equal opportunity for barrel racers to all make the same from placings to horse sales! That way the professional trainer and riders can relax and quit working so hard to outrun the rest of us!
So you don't like the D system then? |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-11-25 3:50 PM Obama highly approves of equal payout.
You are right! It's what he calls redistributing the wealthy or as Webster's Dictionary calls it - Socialism. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM Obama highly approves of equal payout.
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| graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half?
The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check.
They won a D
I won a D
We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run.
No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
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| runs4fun - 2013-11-25 2:51 PM Nevertooold - 2013-11-25 3:50 PM Obama highly approves of equal payout. You are right! It's what he calls redistributing the wealthy or as Webster's Dictionary calls it - Socialism.
If you're going to remove the socialism from barrel racing, do it right.
No more D system, pay one hole..... winner take all.
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| TXBO - 2013-11-25 3:51 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-25 2:43 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 3:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? That's right! And why should a solid 1D horse sell for $50,000 and my 4D only for $4,500, I think he's worth the same $50,000 as that 1D horse! I'm an EO barrel racer, equal opportunity for barrel racers to all make the same from placings to horse sales! That way the professional trainer and riders can relax and quit working so hard to outrun the rest of us!
I do like the D system (I'd NEVER make a ck without them) but I don't think the winner of the entire barrel race should get paid equal to anyone...every place after winner, I don't have too much of a problem with how they choose to pay it but the WINNER is the WINNER, in my opinion. Having said that, I realize that when whoever wins the 3D gets paid more than someone who placed in the 1D it's still kind of backwards to what I'm saying. It basically comes down in the end to not entering barrel races where we don't agree with the rules or entering and keeping our opinions to ourselves. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I guess it is just what you are used to.....99% of our races are equal.....or we could just go back to top 6 places and everybody else go home with nadda.......lolM |
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Location: Colorado | DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
If that's what you think, that's fine. I don't agree. And that's fine too. |
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Location: lexington KY | There is a very nice arena about 3 hours from me, that does equal payout. I have never run there because it is equal payout. I don't agree with it at all. |
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-25 3:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
So you shouldn't enter barrel races that don't pay equal and I shouldn't enter the ones that do pay equal...problem solved! |
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:57 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
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| RLB - 2013-11-25 2:58 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:57 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
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Location: Colorado | DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
But let me ask you this. A windfall comes your way, and you are bless with $50,000 to buy a horse.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
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| graciemay - 2013-11-25 4:01 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | graciemay - 2013-11-25 3:01 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
I suppose it depends on whether or not a person can ride a 1D horse, at least in some instances. Other's would just buiy the 1D horse and run him, even if they can't ride a rocking chair. |
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Location: Colorado | RLB - 2013-11-25 1:58 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:57 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Actually you are wrong. It was a nice way of saying lets just agree to disagree. |
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| RLB - 2013-11-25 2:58 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:57 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
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Location: Louisiana | Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
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| graciemay - 2013-11-25 3:01 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
I wish, I could only ever dream of owning a $50,000 horse.
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Location: Great NW | I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on.
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM
I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? |
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| SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 1:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
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| SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
You are right, there are more horses that run in the 2D-5D at big barrel races AND smaller ones...that's where the term "the cream rises to the top" comes from. Average to below average shouldn't get paid the same as the cream of the crop....jmo. |
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-25 2:25 PM
I think equal payout is awesome
Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half?
Sure why not sounds just like Obama. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times?
  At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
Well, then pass the popcorn, please...... |
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Location: Deep South | graciemay - 2013-11-25 3:06 PM
RLB - 2013-11-25 1:58 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:57 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
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| jbhoot - 2013-11-25 3:20 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 2:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? Sure why not sounds just like Obama.
Obama would try to convince you that equal pay makes the wealth redistribution of a 4D acceptable to capitalists. |
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| TXBO - 2013-11-25 3:25 PM
jbhoot - 2013-11-25 3:20 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 2:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? Sure why not sounds just like Obama.
Yep, you got that one right!!!!! LOL |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I am serving margueritas with the popcorn. Makes the repititious dialog more palatable. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
Fantastic!! I'll take two :) |
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Location: WI | Why stop equal payouts at the divisions? Do you think the placings should be equal as well? Everybody in the top 5 of every division gets the same paycheck? |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 3:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
With that logic....1D horses should cost/be worth the same as 5D horses.
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| Just curious? The big D's don't do equal pay, do they? I haven't been to one. They are usually more geared towards NBHA payout. That's where I see the "cream of the crop" horses run. The Equal pay races usually don't have 300 or above entries. I like equal pay, but I also agree with the fastest horse getting paid more. However, if it wasn't for D barrel races, then no one could sell the slower horses. I wonder when you market your slower horses, if you think about the lesser money they will win. So therefore are they worth $10,000/ $15,000? I see some advertised for that. Not trying to start a war, just thought everyone should consider what the cost of owning a horse is and hauling down the road is. EXPENSIVE FOR ALL! |
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| LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM
SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | linds - 2013-11-25 3:32 PM Why stop equal payouts at the divisions? Do you think the placings should be equal as well? Everybody in the top 5 of every division gets the same paycheck?
Better yet....
everyone send their entries in, stay home and wait to receive a check that has taken the entire pot and divided it evenly for everyone who entered. |
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| linds - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM
Why stop equal payouts at the divisions? Do you think the placings should be equal as well? Everybody in the top 5 of every division gets the same paycheck?
That's exactly what our jackpots are like. |
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got it hot right here and enough to go around.
Ill let y'all discus this why I am over here like 
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| stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:39 PM
linds - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM
Why stop equal payouts at the divisions? Do you think the placings should be equal as well? Everybody in the top 5 of every division gets the same paycheck?
That's exactly what our jackpots are like.
Say what WIllis?
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Location: sunny california | ozcancrasher13 - 2013-11-25 1:38 PM linds - 2013-11-25 3:32 PM Why stop equal payouts at the divisions? Do you think the placings should be equal as well? Everybody in the top 5 of every division gets the same paycheck? Better yet....
everyone send their entries in, stay home and wait to receive a check that has taken the entire pot and divided it evenly for everyone who entered.
i know we could make it a video game you spin the wheel and whatever time you land on is your time. Love it ! I could save thousands per year and not have to worry about keeping a sound horse |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Obviously no producer can come up with a format that satisfies all the barrel racers all of the time. Heck they are lucky if they make half of the barrel racers happy some of the time. So be aware of the pertinent rules and facts and if they don't fit your agenda, then don't pay up. There wil be more barrel races down the road. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think everyone should win something. Keep the 4D format. Give the top 5 equal amounts and give the same amount to each "D". Give the rest participation ribbons and the usual trinkets. That's the only way to keep it fair. |
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Location: That part of Texas | clover girl - 2013-11-25 2:30 PM This is a highly debated topic. You can do a search on here and probably find another (really long and heated) thread about this subject. There are good arguments for both sides, but in reality it all just depends on the producer. In my area there are many races of each kind and they all draw about the same amount of contestants, and usually many of the same contestants.
IMO the fastest run should get the biggest paycheck, and last place in the bottom D should get at least their fees back.
Yup, it's out there and I think it happened around this time last year if I'm not mistaken? I'm still missing a piece of hide off of my backside from that one so I think I'll refrain from playing this time around.    |
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Location: west of East Texas | I just looked at the last three races I entered. There was an average of 152 runners and 8% were in the 1D. Even with equal payouts, they won 25% of the jackpot and their odds of winning a check are considerably higher in that D. I don't have a problem with that. You kind of have to keep the 3D and 4D coming back or there won't be much in the purse. If I'm running a 3D horse, I'm going to pick an equal payout race over the other. If I'm running a 1D horse, I don't consider myself to be in the same race as the other divisions and consider the 1D to have added money. |
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Location: Oklahoma | LP22654 - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM Just curious? The big D's don't do equal pay, do they? I haven't been to one. They are usually more geared towards NBHA payout. That's where I see the "cream of the crop" horses run. The Equal pay races usually don't have 300 or above entries. I like equal pay, but I also agree with the fastest horse getting paid more. However, if it wasn't for D barrel races, then no one could sell the slower horses. I wonder when you market your slower horses, if you think about the lesser money they will win. So therefore are they worth $10,000/ $15,000? I see some advertised for that. Not trying to start a war, just thought everyone should consider what the cost of owning a horse is and hauling down the road is. EXPENSIVE FOR ALL!
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Location: Texas | Oh brother can I have some of that popcorn? This has potential to get Ugly! |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | barrelbasher - 2013-11-25 4:28 PM
Oh brother can I have some of that popcorn? This has potential to get Ugly!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | God Is My Light - 2013-11-25 4:35 PM barrelbasher - 2013-11-25 4:28 PM Oh brother can I have some of that popcorn? This has potential to get Ugly! Sure lol
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Location: Great NW | DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
dd2012 ~ Nice and Thank you. I run all levels depends what horse I am running and where they are at in their training. and yes - more money is spent on the 1d horse than the 4d horse - I have more blood sweat and tears into that horse and after all barrel racing is supposed to be a COMPETITION! I truely do not believe someone that runs 2 seconds slower than the winning time should get the same size check as the winner of the race. Just saying. |
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Location: Midwest | speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
But you're ok with a 1D horse that falls in the crack getting nothing while a 4D champion gets a check? |
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Location: North Texas | I don't guess I think like everyone else about the equal payout! I see where some people are coming from but the D system was put into place to allow everyone an opportunity to win money even if you don't have that top 1D horse. Its also allows someone with a young horse to bring them up through the D's while hauling and training them and still have a chance at getting their entry back. I know that I hope the D's are still in place whether equal or regular payout when I get older so at least I can still go have fun and win some money. Its not like this is our full time job. I work an 8-5 job 5 days a week. Go play and have fun on the weekends. Its not like this is my living. We have both types of races around here. I don't mind either one, but I do think the faster horse should win more money. I have a 1D/2D mare, also a 2D/3D mare and an older gelding that would fall in the 3D/4D. So I think that before you enter a race you should read the rules and payout that way you won't pull up complaining about the payout. I've seen it both ways, complaining about equal payout and regular payout. I'm just glad we live in a country right now where we can choose to goto the race we want to. NOW, Can I have some Popcorn?
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Location: Kansas | TXBO - 2013-11-25 4:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
If you don't have a 1D horse you are just hoping to land right time-wise to pull a check anyway, whether its in the 2D or the 5D. personally I don't take my 1D or 2D horses to equal pay races unless they have a crap ton of added money, but if I had a trailer of colts that would be hit & miss in the lower D's, equal pay might be appealing. I'm a big believer in looking at the race rules and figuring out if you like them enough to go. If you don't agree, then skip it. There's always another barrel race.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM
LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM
SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks.
Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please :) |
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Location: Great NW | TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
Get me a Margarita please....
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
Get me a Margarita please....
If it's a matter of principle, why don't you just rodeo now?
You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other? |
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Location: Great NW | No. and I do rodeo when I have that calibur of horse. |
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Get me a Margarita please....
You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other?
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Location: Great NW | runs4fun - 2013-11-25 3:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
Get me a Margarita please....
You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other?
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| runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
Get me a Margarita please....
You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other?
It's still hypocracy. Ya can't be a little bit pregnant..... or a little bit socialist.
If you want to be fairest to the best horse and rider teams, elliminate the D's then no horse earns a check over a faster horse.
Out of curiousity, what do you think would happen to the big events if only those that were confident of placing in the 1D showed? Payouts going up or down? |
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| runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PMThe reason I do not see going along with the 4D payout (non equal) as being hypocrisy but not agreeing with an equal pay out is this: going to the divisional pay out was compromise enough. .... That was no compromise. It was a way of attracting enough people to allow big shows to be successful. People who would have never donated their money to the sharks.
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The arguement that it costs the same for everyone so they should get paid the same makes me giggle. Mainly because I had a very well known vet tell my daughter if she would just slow her horse down we wouldn't have to see him because she wouldn't have as high of a chance of getting injured.
I remember before the D system where you'd have maybe 30 girls at a jackpot. The arguement that the lower D's make more payout doesn't really hold water because even winning a straight payout with 30 riders pays the top 6 the same as winning the 1D with 60 girls if it's a 4D.
I also think it's funny how back when the D system was started, girls with colts and less athletic horses were just thrilled that they could come out and make a little money. Now they are saying they deserve the same because it is only "fair".
Which brings us back to the beginning.... life isn't fair.
How's that for an opinion?
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| TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:56 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-25 5:46 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:36 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 5:30 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 2:52 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 4:46 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:16 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-25 3:15 PM I will not support a race that does equal payout no matter what D I am running in at the time. The 1D should get a higher percentage of the payout, the 2D a bit less and so on. Capitalist pig
Get me a Margarita please....
You do see the hypocracy in accepting one but not the other?
If you want to be fairest to the best horse and rider teams, elliminate the D's then no horse earns a check over a faster horse.
Out of curiousity, what do you think would happen to the big events if only those that were confident of placing in the 1D showed? Payouts going up or down?
You are refusing to understand that a system was developed to allow a barrel race to happen that would be beneficial for all levels and that once that became acceptable certain people decided that they wanted MORE given to them without actually earning it. To answer your question: I think everyone knows what would happen to the big races if only those confident of making 1D entered, it would be a very small barrel race which is why the divisional concept was implemented. I call that accepting compromise for the good of all not being hypocritcal. You and I will just have to agree to disagree! It still comes down to enter the shows where you agree with the terms and don't where you have a problem with the rules or if we do enter then keep our opinions to ourselves. |
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Location: Texas | I prefer sliding scale payout. But the local association I run in has equal payout, and the jackpot still pays really well…the ground is great, the year end awards are awesome, the people are friendly….and our races pull over 150 runners with no added money on a regular basis. Since this association is my "home association," I run there in spite of the equal payout. It's not worth the fight over one thing when I am happy with everything else.
Now I much prefer sliding pay out, and am super thrilled when I go to a race that has it! and when I go to the rodeos, I'm just happy to flat get a check at all..LOL
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| runs4fun - 2013-11-25 6:07 PM You are refusing to understand that a system was developed to allow a barrel race to happen that would be beneficial for all levels and that once that became acceptable certain people decided that they wanted MORE given to them without actually earning it. To answer your question: I think everyone knows what would happen to the big races if only those confident of making 1D entered, it would be a very small barrel race which is why the divisional concept was implemented. I call that accepting compromise for the good of all not being hypocritcal. You and I will just have to agree to disagree! It still comes down to enter the shows where you agree with the terms and don't where you have a problem with the rules or if we do enter then keep our opinions to ourselves.
The system was developed to make the shows economically viable.
You can't say the 1D champion should make more than the 4D champion because the fastest horse deserves more money but then award a check to a 4D champion when you send 1D horses in the crack home with nothing........ That is unless you want to be hypocritical. |
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Location: Way up North | I think this is something that everyone will have a different opinion and that opinion will differ from race to race depending on where their horse landed. If you have the horse that wins the race you want sliding scale, if your horse had a slip and ran 3rd in the 3d suddenly even payout looks like a heck of a good idea to a lot of them.
I am of the opinion to do whichever one brings in the most entrants. More entrants equals bigger payouts. More entrants equals more attractive to sponsors which also equals more money/prizes. I am NOT a socialist by any means and I don't think I should get the same paycheck as someone that is "better" than me but that really is how the D system boils down. Somehow being one one-thousandth of a second slower can mean an enormous paycheck while being one one-thousandth faster means better luck next time. It costs the same for everyone to enter so I can see why people would argue payouts should be equal. People could also argue if you want to run for straight payout feel free to hit the rodeo road.
I do not like equal payouts but I also do not think the 1d should get a lions share more than the rest. It should be a sliding payout based on percentages.
I have not seen any real statisticts to support which style actually gets more entrants but I would sure like to see them.
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Location: That part of Texas | LRQHS - 2013-11-25 5:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
You know, I actually disagree. It's not every month but every couple of months. It's always a nice break to fight over this instead of the typical cloning or breeding thread that takes off like a horse running from a plastic sack. It's like having a fine wine or nice whiskey to pull out of the coffers every now and then and savor in the moment. |
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Location: Phoenix | I don't think equal payouts are fair, but I DO think it would bring more entries.
My my theory is if you don't like the 3D horse winning as much as you in the 1D, then it's time to start entering rodeos. |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 4:39 PM
God Is My Light - 2013-11-25 4:35 PM barrelbasher - 2013-11-25 4:28 PM Oh brother can I have some of that popcorn? This has potential to get Ugly! Sure lol
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| I am not a fan of equal payout.
I appreciate the divisions though! But it comes down to chance with those.
To be at the top requires a lot of work-if you are there you deserve more payout.
I seriously think DD really just likes to get everyone all riled up...and most of the time people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. |
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| LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM
stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM
LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM
SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks.
Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow. |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | magic gunsmoke - 2013-11-25 7:34 PM
I am not a fan of equal payout.
I appreciate the divisions though! But it comes down to chance with those.
To be at the top requires a lot of work-if you are there you deserve more payout.
I seriously think DD really just likes to get everyone all riled up...and most of the time people fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
I agree with all of that, DD is a classic on here ......you kind of just have to go with the flow. |
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Location: Iowa | She had a very legit question. I find everyones reasoning interesting to read. If you've heard it before and don't want to see it discussed then Don't read the post and respond. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | God Is My Light - 2013-11-25 7:29 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 4:39 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-25 4:35 PM barrelbasher - 2013-11-25 4:28 PM Oh brother can I have some of that popcorn? This has potential to get Ugly! Sure lol Well I am under 21 lol so ill just stick to Iced tea or water lol sorry
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Location: Washington | I say they should allow the 4-5 D runners to set the pace. Then place accordlingly backwards.  |
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Location: Prosser, WA | LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
The only thing that has changed is the people complaining about another equal payout thread are going for the harder drinks this time. LOL. |
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| Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time. |
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| barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM
Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time.
EXACTLY! Everyone should NOT get a trophy just for participating. This is a RACE!!!! Couldn't have said it better. Everyone works hard but if you're not in the 1D and you wanna make 1D money you better work harder. |
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| barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time.
Another inaccurate political cliche unless of course you are abdicating elimination of the D system.
On the other hand if you are comparing the redistribution of 2,3 or 4 D money to the 1D winner, then it is similar to ObamaCare forcing young healthy citizens to subsidize the healthcare premiums for others. |
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Location: Way up North | TXBO - 2013-11-25 8:59 PM barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time. Another inaccurate political cliche unless of course you are abdicating elimination of the D system.
On the other hand if you are comparing the redistribution of 2,3 or 4 D money to the 1D winner, then it is similar to ObamaCare forcing young healthy citizens to subsidize the healthcare premiums for others.
Exactly. I think people are missing the point, the divisional system already did away with the faster horses getting paid more; ther will always be a horse that ran just a hair too fast that ends up last hole no money and next hole, which is slower, gets a check. We forget that the divisional system did enormous things for this industry. There are even WP trainers advocating for a similar system to come into play for judged classes to help boost their numbers. I don't see how they could make that happen fairly but it's incredible for people in other branches of the horse industry to see how much something a lot of people were against do so much good. |
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Location: western Nebraska | I put on a three day barrel race every spring here in Nebraska. We use the payoff scale of 40,30,20,10 % to the D's. But we give prizes for each barrel race-(There are five). Prizes to lst and 2nd in each d and overall division winners. We also give overall prizes and use a point system where the d's all get the same points so a 4-d horse has just as much chance to win the overall as the 1-d horse.
We have never had anyone even suggest to have the payoff equal.
I don't rodeo anymore but have a 1-d, 2-d-hopefully to be a 1-d when he can go faster than a lope to the lst barrel, and a couple of colts. I can tell you that for sure the 1-d horse has more wear and tear on him going fast than the horses that are running in the 3 and 4ds
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| TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:59 PM barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time. Another inaccurate political cliche unless of course you are abdicating elimination of the D system.
On the other hand if you are comparing the redistribution of 2,3 or 4 D money to the 1D winner, then it is similar to ObamaCare forcing young healthy citizens to subsidize the healthcare premiums for others.
Absolutely no political undertone. No one needs to be assumptive in my reply. It is clear. As written, it is simply my opinion on equal payout for all divisions. I do not agree with it.
I completely support the "D" system and what it has done for barrel racing. Myself included.
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| barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 9:15 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:59 PM barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time. Another inaccurate political cliche unless of course you are abdicating elimination of the D system.
On the other hand if you are comparing the redistribution of 2,3 or 4 D money to the 1D winner, then it is similar to ObamaCare forcing young healthy citizens to subsidize the healthcare premiums for others.
You certainly imply political undertones when you suggest society is head toward trophies for all.
Ironically, the D system aligns with this philosophy equally if not more than equal pay. Yet the D system you like. Isn't that hypocritical? |
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Location: Washington | fatchance - 2013-11-25 6:29 PM I say they should allow the 4-5 D runners to set the pace. Then place accordlingly backwards.
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| fatchance - 2013-11-25 9:37 PM
fatchance - 2013-11-25 6:29 PM I say they should allow the 4-5 D runners to set the pace. Then place accordlingly backwards.
Why is this being ignored? It a valid point.....
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a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, boats, etc., to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.
"I won the first 50-lap race"
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Get into western pleasure if you want the slowest people to win! Geez!
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| fatchance - 2013-11-25 9:37 PM fatchance - 2013-11-25 6:29 PM I say they should allow the 4-5 D runners to set the pace. Then place accordlingly backwards. Why is this being ignored? It a valid point.....
Interesting twist. How would that work? Kind of like golf where you set a par? |
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| TXBO - 2013-11-25 7:22 PM barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 9:15 PM TXBO - 2013-11-25 6:59 PM barrelracinbroke - 2013-11-25 8:42 PM Reminds me of where today's society is heading. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. Which to me, makes people they deserve something just for showing up instead of being motivated to get better.
No, I definitely don't agree with equal pay for each division. It is a RACE (hence the name "barrel race"), the fastest time deserves the highest payout.
Doesn't mean people who didn't win the 1D don't work as hard, pay the same dues, etc.... they just didn't win the RACE that day. So, they don't get the same prize as the one who did. But, hopefully, what they did get, is motivation for next time. Another inaccurate political cliche unless of course you are abdicating elimination of the D system.
On the other hand if you are comparing the redistribution of 2,3 or 4 D money to the 1D winner, then it is similar to ObamaCare forcing young healthy citizens to subsidize the healthcare premiums for others.
Ironically, the D system aligns with this philosophy equally if not more than equal pay. Yet the D system you like. Isn't that hypocritical?
To be exact, my thoughts of society were geared more toward parenting than politics. However, that ("that" being parenting) is an entirely different subject that I'm not interested in discussing.
I do not view the "D" system as aligning with the "trophies for all" philosophy. UNLESS, the D system is an equal payout for all divisions. Then yes, I do, and that is exactly my point. Wherein, there is no hipocracy.
I am also not interested in delving deeper in to this. It is a simple thread on barrel racing views regarding "D" payouts. No more, no less. I am not interested in making it more.
My view is clear and without hipocracy. Whether you decide to take it that way or not, is your choice.
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Location: North MS | Interesting theory-Never thought of that. Letting the slowest set the D's. But that might require a different race at events like an amateur class for under 2 year competitors or something. Otherwise you might skew the results of a bell curve.
On the other note, I've only seen about 95% 4D events here in MS with 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, whole split. Then about the other 5% with a 5D all 1/2 splits. I haven't seen an even payout event yet. Sure would like to though! Of course I'm the 4D'er. Sometimes when you place in that D it sure would be nice to even get your fee back. |
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| I like the 4D system as is. I have never run at an equal payout race, but I can for sure see why there is controversy. I have a SOLID 4D horse, and when I say that, I mean she almost always pulls a check and has WON the 4D several times with a decent number of entries. And I am happy with the payout I receive. I also have a younger horse who has run anywhere from 1D-3D and will make a 1D/2D horse when finished, and I have had some nice 1D/2D horses. So what I'm saying is I have horses at pretty much all levels and am happy with the way the 4D system is. I think it's a fair system for everyone. |
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Location: Midwest | Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo |
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| I think the Divisional system is great for the barrel racing industry, and is a great way to include all levels of horses and riders, but I feel like equal payout cheapens it. A race is a race. The faster horses deserve to win more than the slower ones. We don't have equal payout races around here, but I don't really think any of the girls here would really feel proud to be winning the same amount in the 4th as the 1d winners are getting. Yes, everybody pays the same entry, but not everyone tries as hard or has a horse at the top level, so they should be paid accordingly. Having said that I just want to mention that I am not riding a consistant 1D horse. When I win the bingo and make money in the second or third division, I do not expect to win the same as the faster horses, I'm just relieved that I'm going to get something, however when I make a good run and place in the 1d I want to be paid accordingly. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | stetchkk - 2013-11-25 7:35 PM
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SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks.
Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow.
Go ahead and discuss it anytime. It's cool. I get free popcorn and margaritas. Lighten up. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | LRQHS - 2013-11-26 4:06 AM
stetchkk - 2013-11-25 7:35 PM
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stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM
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SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks.
Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow.
Go ahead and discuss it anytime. It's cool. I get free popcorn and margaritas. Lighten up.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Red Raider - 2013-11-25 7:10 PM
LRQHS - 2013-11-25 5:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2013-11-26 4:27 AM
Red Raider - 2013-11-25 7:10 PM
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I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : )
You had me until you said fine wine lol. Maybe change that to Guiness and them I'm golden lol.
I love wine. I know only a little about wines... But I enjoy a nice Chardonnay.
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Location: mi | I guess coming from the Show world I look at the D's a little differently. To me they are doing the samething as what we have at most shows only you are all running concurrently. We have Open Jr western Pleasure, Sr western Pleasure. Which busts up the horses by age. then we have amatuer western pleasure and youth western pleasure. Which busts up the people a bit by age and of course keeps the pros out. Then we have the youth broke down usually into at least 13 and under and 14 and over and even have the select division for the older amatuers. Then at the big shows they may have Limited Jr western pleasure which is open to all but only pros who have never won a world title. Or they might have Jr western pleasure and give a special award to the highest placing amatuer and or youth. The D system is basically accomplishing all of this same thing in a nice easy way. AND still allowing a top pro that might have a bobble to make alittle money at a lower level. Or allow that amatuer that might not have entered the big open class that has a GREAT run the opportunity to make a win in the 1D. It's a good system I won't knock it. Equal payouts????? That I think is alittle hinky but not anything that would keep me from running just think that it would be more logical to go with sliding payouts. But when has there ever been much logic with horse ownership. |
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Location: GA | doglady - 2013-11-25 10:14 PM I put on a three day barrel race every spring here in Nebraska. We use the payoff scale of 40,30,20,10 % to the D's. But we give prizes for each barrel race-(There are five). Prizes to lst and 2nd in each d and overall division winners. We also give overall prizes and use a point system where the d's all get the same points so a 4-d horse has just as much chance to win the overall as the 1-d horse.
We have never had anyone even suggest to have the payoff equal.
I don't rodeo anymore but have a 1-d, 2-d-hopefully to be a 1-d when he can go faster than a lope to the lst barrel, and a couple of colts. I can tell you that for sure the 1-d horse has more wear and tear on him going fast than the horses that are running in the 3 and 4ds
I haven't done this in like forever so I will play. First let me say I am not for equal payout.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 12:33 AM Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo
This sums it up nicely. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, I guess. This is the kind of debate/thread that takes on a life of it's own and always manages to ruffle feathers along the way. Almost everyone agrees that outside of rodeo, the D system has been a godsend. You pay more for the placings in the faster divisions. Basic, common sense, happy medium. Most people agree that equal payouts for each "D" is ridiculous. That's why you almost never see them. |
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Location: Texas | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 7:37 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 12:33 AM Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo This sums it up nicely. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, I guess. This is the kind of debate/thread that takes on a life of it's own and always manages to ruffle feathers along the way. Almost everyone agrees that outside of rodeo, the D system has been a godsend. You pay more for the placings in the faster divisions. Basic, common sense, happy medium. Most people agree that equal payouts for each "D" is ridiculous. That's why you almost never see them.
Calling the D system "socialist" is stupid. Let's equate the 1D as "the rich" in the socialist comparison. In a normal D payout (not equal), the majority of those winnings come from non-1D riders. The 1D people should be the happiest out of anyone with the D system.
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Location: Midwest | bocephus's mama - 2013-11-26 7:52 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 7:37 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 12:33 AM Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo This sums it up nicely. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, I guess. This is the kind of debate/thread that takes on a life of it's own and always manages to ruffle feathers along the way. Almost everyone agrees that outside of rodeo, the D system has been a godsend. You pay more for the placings in the faster divisions. Basic, common sense, happy medium. Most people agree that equal payouts for each "D" is ridiculous. That's why you almost never see them.
Equal payout is a totally different story though BUT at the end of the day, we all have a choice to enter or stay home.
I was referring (sarcastically) to TXBO's posts LOL
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| LRQHS - 2013-11-26 4:06 AM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 7:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : ) Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow. Go ahead and discuss it anytime. It's cool. I get free popcorn and margaritas. Lighten up.
Your side shows in a derailed thread can be quite humorous. This thread has been a good civil discussion making your side show inconsiderate and insipid. |
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2013-11-26 7:57 AM LRQHS - 2013-11-26 4:06 AM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 7:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : ) Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow. Go ahead and discuss it anytime. It's cool. I get free popcorn and margaritas. Lighten up.
Hey now, play nice
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TXBO - 2013-11-26 7:57 AM LRQHS - 2013-11-26 4:06 AM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 7:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM stetchkk - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 1:32 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:30 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-25 3:23 PM LRQHS - 2013-11-25 3:16 PM Haven't we already discussed this about 800 times? At least 1000 times and the answers and opinions never never ever vary.
I searched for anything in the last year on bhw about equal payouts and saw nothing. That's why I posted. Thanks. Check again.....we talk about this at least once a month....it's always the same.....another margarita please : ) Well sorry you're so put out by the topic of my post. Some of us aren't on here 24/7. Was just looking for others opinions and if they do this sort of thing in other areas besides just where I live. Next time I'll ask if it's okay to discuss it. Wow. Go ahead and discuss it anytime. It's cool. I get free popcorn and margaritas. Lighten up.
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Location: Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 7:54 AM bocephus's mama - 2013-11-26 7:52 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 7:37 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 12:33 AM Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo This sums it up nicely. I don't understand what the fuss is all about, I guess. This is the kind of debate/thread that takes on a life of it's own and always manages to ruffle feathers along the way. Almost everyone agrees that outside of rodeo, the D system has been a godsend. You pay more for the placings in the faster divisions. Basic, common sense, happy medium. Most people agree that equal payouts for each "D" is ridiculous. That's why you almost never see them.
Equal payout is a totally different story though BUT at the end of the day, we all have a choice to enter or stay home.
Also, agree with highlights
I meant to point out that I wasn't referring to you specifically calling it that but I didn't want to search through the entire post (I mean, I'm pretty sure I know what it says) to grab someone actually meaning it. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Around here, it "seams" the equal payout are drawing larger turnouts. One club implemented, over 100 entries, extra $$ was added to the 1D pot.
I can see where one would think the "D" system is socialist,,,,, unlike socialism we don't have to participate. And are not fined if we don't enroll, oops, I mean enter.... |
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| roxieannie - 2013-11-26 8:33 AM
Around here, it "seams" the equal payout are drawing larger turnouts. One club implemented, over 100 entries, extra $$ was added to the 1D pot.
I can see where one would think the "D" system is socialist,,,,, unlike socialism we don't have to participate. And are not fined if we don't enroll, oops, I mean enter....
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Location: N Texas | ozcancrasher13 - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 3:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
With that logic....1D horses should cost/be worth the same as 5D horses.
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Location: Williamsville, MO | Wow i have never even heard of this, we dont have these in MO/AR where im from, here the fastest horse wins the most money, then a little less as you make it down the Ds. I sure dont have the fastest horse but i believe the fastest horse deserves more money...just my opinion though :) |
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| No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 9:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
I will buy this argument up to a certain point. BUT not every horse that does not run in the 1D is just going out there and only giving 80% or 70% or 50% of their capability. There are plenty of horses that will never make the 1D that give 110% on each and every run day in and day out year after year. I am not convinced that .5 seconds makes that much difference in the wear and tear if they are pusing their bodies up to their maximum ability. |
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Location: GA | FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
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Location: The edge of no where | Gunner11 - 2013-11-26 8:41 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 3:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
And everyone should get a participation trophy just for showing up, even if you knocked a barrel.
No, they don't deserve the same payout. They are getting a check by luck of the lottery, not because they actually beat anyone. The Ds are a great system to get people to enter that would never earn a check otherwise, but at the end of the day, it's a HORSE RACE.... Fastest horse deserves the most money.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
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Location: Flat Rock,IL | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
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Location: Silex Missouri | I am not going to read all the pages. But it is a barrel RACE. This gets me worked up because it reminds me of all the little kids who get a trophy even if they aren't on the winning team. It's a competition. There are winners and there are losers. |
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Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
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Location: southeast Texas | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 8:39 AM roxieannie - 2013-11-26 8:33 AM Around here, it "seams" the equal payout are drawing larger turnouts. One club implemented, over 100 entries, extra $$ was added to the 1D pot.
I can see where one would think the "D" system is socialist,,,,, unlike socialism we don't have to participate. And are not fined if we don't enroll, oops, I mean enter.... "seems"
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Location: GA | FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 11:19 AM
I said a 5D horse, not a 2d horse, vs a 1d horse. Big difference. And they may be just as fit so that CAN be taken out of the equation.
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| *robin* - 2013-11-26 10:31 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 11:19 AM
I said a 5D horse, not a 2d horse, vs a 1d horse. Big difference. And they may be just as fit so that CAN be taken out of the equation.
Au contraire, hardly a big difference. We are discussing seconds, one sixitieth of a minute.
You're a bully
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
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This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end....
Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end |
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Location: PA | ozcancrasher13 - 2013-11-25 3:35 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 3:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
With that logic....1D horses should cost/be worth the same as 5D horses.
This was exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!! All horses should cost the same then! |
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Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2013-11-26 10:36 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
Ready
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end.... Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end
I'm pretty sure I violated some copyrights
ETA maybe it was an angry lamb chop fan disliking my song
or perhaps Shari Lewis from beyond the grave
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:38 AM LRQHS - 2013-11-26 10:36 AM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 10:26 AM I made up a song for this thread
Ready
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started commenting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue commenting forever just because
this is the thread that doesn't end.... Wow! You should be a song writer......very, very nice......I almost started dancing........I didn't want it to end
I'm pretty sure I violated some copyrights
Well, don't quit your day job just yet, but I think that you have something to fall back on should you ever need.... |
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 11:34 AM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 10:31 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 11:19 AM
I said a 5D horse, not a 2d horse, vs a 1d horse. Big difference. And they may be just as fit so that CAN be taken out of the equation.
Au contraire, hardly a big difference. We are discussing seconds, one sixitieth of a minute.
You're a bully
You are correct.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
Abdu needs some dental work, so I have a Camel dentist scheduled to work on his teeth. His feet are pretty good. I might just have my farrier work on them. If he can't do it, then I will. Can't be harder than my own crusty gnarly feet.
Abdu's bell boots are covering his feet, but you can get the general idea.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 9:57 AM
It doesn't matter to me anyway. Just wait till my camel returns from the trainer. I'm going to enter him in futurities next year and he's going to kick everyone's ass, regardless of the payout scheme. Abdu is already smoking the pattern with those long legs. He's smooth as silk.
Abdu's bell boots are covering his feet, but you can get the general idea.
I gott admit those boots are much classier then the average sports medicine variety. |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:13 AM As you might imagine, Abdu works well in deep ground.
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FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit |
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Location: ND | CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
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| CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Also - I've had some 1D/2D horses with LOTS of talent and it's very easy for them to clock, but I've also had some 4D horses that have SO much try and they are working extremely hard.
ETA: I am not debating the equal payout system here. I am happy with the 4D system as is. I just don't think it's fair to say a 1D horse works harder and has more wear and tear than a 4D horse.. Different horses have differing levels or athletic ability, and just because one horse can't clock as fast, doesn't mean it isn't working as hard.
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| I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments.
When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing.
But then, this is JMHO.
Peace. Out.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 11:15 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-11-26 11:13 AM As you might imagine, Abdu works well in deep ground. he looks like he can really stride out
Yes, he has massive strides. The lead swaps are real hard to get used to, because camels front and back legs work in parallel. You would think they shouldn't have to switch leads, but they do, and when that happens it feels like you just ran over a log. |
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Location: GA | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.  |
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Location: GA | CocoChex - 2013-11-26 12:16 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM
FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM
No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!!
You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness.
That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race.
I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood.
I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
I have had several like that. 
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| *robin* - 2013-11-26 11:32 AM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.
You have not debated anyone. YOu have just told them they are wrong
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 12:39 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-26 11:32 AM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-26 12:19 PM
CocoChex - 2013-11-26 11:16 AM *robin* - 2013-11-26 9:40 AM FlitsTinyCharger - 2013-11-26 10:00 AM No way! Horses that run harder have to turn harder. Horses that clock faster are running harder and tinting harder which IS harder on joints. Period! They are usually more fit and the more exercise they get- the more wear and tear. Don't even tell me a 5d horse has the same wear and tear. That's insane!! You are thinking in simple terms, very simple terms. What makes you think a horse that clocks in the lower Ds' is not running and or working hard? Speed and or lack of it does not equate soundness or lack of soundness. That is bull on the fitness level of the 1D horse verses the lower D horse. I know plenty of lower D horses that are well fitted and conditioned probably more so than some of the 1D horses. When I am at my peak of fitness, I still do not have the ability to clock well in a 5K. I train and work just as hard for a 5K as the person that finishes first. I am also probably one of the most unsound in the race. I will debate this with anyone in more specification. I have the equine background to do so and I am in that mood. I have an awesome 4D horse - she is TINY and works SO hard! Definitely runs and turns as hard as she can, she is getting just as much wear and tear as other level horses AND she is just as fit
Generally speaking to some degree they are correct...but but the use of "Period!" and "That's insane" moved it from generalities to truth and or fact which then opened the door for my bullying debate tactics.
See I am like the energizer bunny today. I could go on and on, well at least one more hour then I am off to bully someone outside cyber space.
You have not debated anyone. YOu have just told them they are wrong
I will give you that I have not debated anyone...
I have not told them they were wrong either.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Abdu's saddle is made by Bin Obama Saddlery out of Dubai. This one is a pretty basic model, but you can get a lot of bling on it. It takes some getting used to, and you want to be sure you don't get behind when he's coming out of those turns. If you wind up too behind, your ass will land on that post and you wind up with an uninvited procto exam. Not cool.
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| rodeoveteran - 2013-11-26 11:25 AM I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments. When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing. But then, this is JMHO. Peace. Out. Would reward based on judge's opinion be that much different than reward based on luck of placement from time off in the D system? Isn't that like winning a lottery?
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| TXBO - 2013-11-26 11:58 AM
rodeoveteran - 2013-11-26 11:25 AM I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments. When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing. But then, this is JMHO. Peace. Out. Would reward based on judge's opinion be that much different than reward based on luck of placement from time off in the D system? Isn't that like winning a lottery?
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Location: Midwest | rodeoveteran - 2013-11-26 2:47 PM TXBO - 2013-11-26 11:58 AM rodeoveteran - 2013-11-26 11:25 AM I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments. When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing. But then, this is JMHO. Peace. Out. Would reward based on judge's opinion be that much different than reward based on luck of placement from time off in the D system? Isn't that like winning a lottery? I agree with you.
Depends on the judge....some open show judges are pretty much a carpshoot in my area... sorta like the lottery lol |
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Location: Never in one place long | Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower..... |
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Location: Way up North | DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower.....
This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game? |
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Location: Ky | AllAroundRider - 2013-11-26 7:02 PM DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower..... This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game?
I've seen many, many barrel racers that do not wish to move up and sit around hoping for someone to beat them by a full second or 2 seconds. They are not trying to win the race. They are trying to hit a time slot.
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Location: Florida.. | runs4fun - 2013-11-25 4:04 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 4:01 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 7:20 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-25 4:04 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 4:01 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:54 PM graciemay - 2013-11-25 2:50 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-25 1:25 PM I think equal payout is awesome Why should someone get paid more than me, just because they out ran me by a second and a half? The horse that ran a second and half faster than you won the race. Their time enabled you to fall into a D and get a check. They won a D I won a D We both paid entry and we both hauled in and made a run. No way that they should be paid more, just for running faster.
Are you going to spend that money on a 1D horse or a 4D horse?
I always compare equal payout to giving grades in school or what people are paid at work. Kids study the same and put in the same work so should they get the same grade? People work the same 10 hour day so should they get paid the same salary regardless of how productive they are at work??? I don't have a problem with paying more to those who excell. It happens in all walks of life. It is where you end up, not how you got there. |
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Location: Oklahoma | AllAroundRider - 2013-11-26 7:02 PM
DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower.....
This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game?
Well, you haven't gone enough. I know several who are perfectly content going the speed they are, and have told me more than once that they don't want a faster horse, and that they make more money in the 4D than others do in the faster D....which is true. Let me tell you a true story. I used to be 1D rider fifteen years ago. I was one of those that when I showed up, people expected me to set the pace. I didn't always do it, but the large majority of the time, my horse was in the top of the 1D or won the whole thing. Then that horse got hurt and I went back to riding colts. Got one more like that 7 years later and once again, was expected to do well if I showed up. Sold that horse for a ton of money. Now, at 61 years of age, I have to work VERY hard on my confidence and my body to even be able to ride a 3D horse. The horse I ride is capable of 1D, and the rare days I ride him well, he runs there. More often than not, I run 3D/4D. I have NEVER complained about how much I won in the 3D/4d. I was just grateful I got a check for running slow. Fast forward to last week. Have been working really hard on letting my horse run and work a little more toward his potential and was 2nd in the 2D in a very tough crowd. Due to the cold, there was only 18 in the jackpot...that didn't lessen the level of toughness because the top people were still there. Mark Bugni won it (google his name if you don't know what he's been winning in the last few years) and won $34. Jyme Beth Cochrane (former 3 time IPRA champ, last year's CRRA finals average winner, etc.) was 2nd and won $29. The entry fee was $30. I got 2nd in the 2D and was SO excited because I finally thought I would get a little more money by being in the lower D's, and was so excited to run a half second off Mark and Jyme Beth....well I got $29 also. Found out it was equal pay (which I should have checked before I ran, but those races had always been sliding scale, but this was a new group putting them on, so they decided to change), so that's why none of us got very much. Think Mark will be back to run that good horse and set the D's the next time? I know I won't be back again to lose a dollar with a good run....what will happen if they continue with equal pay is that the races will get slower and slower because the good horses will go where they can win more money, and the slow ones will go to the equal pay races. So fast forward again....you buy a horse that runs 1D at the equal pay races thinking you have a 1D horse and then go to a big NBHA show....you'll be lucky to even be in the D's....so how happy do you think you will be with your purchase? Equal payouts may make the people that place in the higher D's happy, but pretty soon that's all that will be running there, and IMO, the numbers WILL suffer...it will just take awhile.
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DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower.....
This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game?
Well, you haven't gone enough. I know several who are perfectly content going the speed they are, and have told me more than once that they don't want a faster horse, and that they make more money in the 4D than others do in the faster D....which is true. Let me tell you a true story. I used to be 1D rider fifteen years ago. I was one of those that when I showed up, people expected me to set the pace. I didn't always do it, but the large majority of the time, my horse was in the top of the 1D or won the whole thing. Then that horse got hurt and I went back to riding colts. Got one more like that 7 years later and once again, was expected to do well if I showed up. Sold that horse for a ton of money. Now, at 61 years of age, I have to work VERY hard on my confidence and my body to even be able to ride a 3D horse. The horse I ride is capable of 1D, and the rare days I ride him well, he runs there. More often than not, I run 3D/4D. I have NEVER complained about how much I won in the 3D/4d. I was just grateful I got a check for running slow. Fast forward to last week. Have been working really hard on letting my horse run and work a little more toward his potential and was 2nd in the 2D in a very tough crowd. Due to the cold, there was only 18 in the jackpot...that didn't lessen the level of toughness because the top people were still there. Mark Bugni won it (google his name if you don't know what he's been winning in the last few years ) and won $34. Jyme Beth Cochrane (former 3 time IPRA champ, last year's CRRA finals average winner, etc. ) was 2nd and won $29. The entry fee was $30. I got 2nd in the 2D and was SO excited because I finally thought I would get a little more money by being in the lower D's, and was so excited to run a half second off Mark and Jyme Beth....well I got $29 also. Found out it was equal pay (which I should have checked before I ran, but those races had always been sliding scale, but this was a new group putting them on, so they decided to change ), so that's why none of us got very much. Think Mark will be back to run that good horse and set the D's the next time? I know I won't be back again to lose a dollar with a good run....what will happen if they continue with equal pay is that the races will get slower and slower because the good horses will go where they can win more money, and the slow ones will go to the equal pay races. So fast forward again....you buy a horse that runs 1D at the equal pay races thinking you have a 1D horse and then go to a big NBHA show....you'll be lucky to even be in the D's....so how happy do you think you will be with your purchase? Equal payouts may make the people that place in the higher D's happy, but pretty soon that's all that will be running there, and IMO, the numbers WILL suffer...it will just take awhile.
I am like you. Used to win all the time before the 4D format. That was then and this is now. I just do not ride as well. We have some races around her that are equal pay and some that are not. We rarely have fewer that 100 entries no matter what (even the "small" monthly barrel races). The competition is tough no matter what the payout is. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I look at barrel racing as an adrenaline rush, first and foremost. I love to be competitive, and I want to win, but I've learned to accept that I usually won't. I also have learned to compete with myself, and to constantly try and figure out how I can make the next run better. I think we all do these things. Apart from placing in the 1D, the rest is basically the luck of the draw. If I am lucky enough to "win" say the 2D, 3D, or 4D I look at it as a nice surprise and think of it as a little reward for my efforts. If I normally run in the 3D on a given horse and we make a run that is much better than usual and we end up winning the 2D, then I am ecstatic. It's my decision whether or not I consider winning in a lower "D" a real win or not...just depends. When I got my most experienced/seasoned barrel horse as an 11 year old, he was at the top of HIS game, often times making me look like I was at the top of mine, when in reality I wasn't. I was naive enough to think I should be at the top of the 1D all the time on that horse.....and it didn't take long for me to learn reality. I remember feeling disappointed after "winning" the 2D at larger jackpots, with Mark Bugni winning the 1D. That's how a novice with an inflated ego thinks. I felt like I lost, even if I won $800. Anyway, it's all good and I think the "D" system, even with it's flaws, is a very good thing for the sport we all love. Let's be real. We practically all lose money barrel racing over the long run. I am learning to remind myself that one of the benefits of barrel racing is meeting so many fantastic people and developing friendships that sometimes last a lifetime. Like minded, decent, people all seeking out that one dream run that keeps us coming back for more. We learn to pull for one another and we learn to be genuinely be happy for people we know and cherish. When we reach that level of maturity, we are all winners.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2013-11-26 11:58 AM rodeoveteran - 2013-11-26 11:25 AM I have refrained for commenting on this tread 'til now. And admit to not reading the entire thing as it is rehashing old arguments. When they start calling them barrel exhibitions instead of races, when they are judged on style and form, THEN a lower D horse will have equal value to a top competitor on the open market and deserve equal reward. Oh, but wait, then it will come down to a judge's opinion and politics to determine value and reward, both of which I am happy to get away from. Otherwise I would be in to showing instead of racing. But then, this is JMHO. Peace. Out. Would reward based on judge's opinion be that much different than reward based on luck of placement from time off in the D system? Isn't that like winning a lottery?
Yes, TXBO, it is a little like "winning" the lottery. For most of us, running at a jackpot is a lot like gambling at a casino. You stand a better chance at winning a Blackjack hand if you have some basic skill.....but lady luck plays a huge role. |
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I personally am in it to win it. Sure, I love the adrenaline rush-but I am striving and working towards the day where I am the one that sets the pace.
I don't think people really realize the amount of work it truly takes to be at the top.
Yes-one component of it is having the horse with the ability, but that is only one component.
GOOD training is a huge factor. GOOD training takes tons of hours in the saddle, tons of time to do things the right way, and not going for quick fixes.
And then there is also working on rider ability. Think of how many hours an olympic athlete puts into practice? It is the same in the barrel horse industry.
To succeed you must do your homework. It is my humble opinion that luck may play a "small" role, but doing your homework and putting the time in playes a much larger role.
Those that win didn't do it out of sheer luck-they win because they have taken the time to do their homework and figure out what training methods work best to make a winning combination.
I personally know several people who make their living and make money off of their barrel horses.
I do not mean this to sound snarky in any way, but it is also my humble opinion that most horses could easily run in the 4th division.
Therefore----I am not a fan of even payout. I greatly appreciate divisions though....because as of now that is where I am at...LOL
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2013-11-26 8:48 PM Figured I would add more to the awesomeness of this thread:
I personally am in it to win it. Sure, I love the adrenaline rush-but I am striving and working towards the day where I am the one that sets the pace.
I don't think people really realize the amount of work it truly takes to be at the top.
Yes-one component of it is having the horse with the ability, but that is only one component.
GOOD training is a huge factor. GOOD training takes tons of hours in the saddle, tons of time to do things the right way, and not going for quick fixes.
And then there is also working on rider ability. Think of how many hours an olympic athlete puts into practice? It is the same in the barrel horse industry.
To succeed you must do your homework. It is my humble opinion that luck may play a "small" role, but doing your homework and putting the time in playes a much larger role.
Those that win didn't do it out of sheer luck-they win because they have taken the time to do their homework and figure out what training methods work best to make a winning combination.
I personally know several people who make their living and make money off of their barrel horses.
I do not mean this to sound snarky in any way, but it is also my humble opinion that most horses could easily run in the 4th division.
Therefore----I am not a fan of even payout. I greatly appreciate divisions though....because as of now that is where I am at...LOL
I agree with almost everything you said, but I would like to see the "balance sheet" of those people who think they make very much money. If you consider all the costs of everything, then I think you are talking about very few people. Oh they are out there, but we are talking about a tiny fraction. I say this often, mainly to serve as a reminder to young people that they need to keep a realistic perspective. That's all. I wish things were different, but that's the reality. I think some people squander everything they have and then some in pursuit of something that is a very very long shot, to say the least. They win a few barrel races, and some even win a lot, but it's a drop in the bucket, compared to the total cost. It's good to dream, |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2013-11-26 8:48 PM Figured I would add more to the awesomeness of this thread:
I personally am in it to win it. Sure, I love the adrenaline rush-but I am striving and working towards the day where I am the one that sets the pace.
I don't think people really realize the amount of work it truly takes to be at the top.
Yes-one component of it is having the horse with the ability, but that is only one component.
GOOD training is a huge factor. GOOD training takes tons of hours in the saddle, tons of time to do things the right way, and not going for quick fixes.
And then there is also working on rider ability. Think of how many hours an olympic athlete puts into practice? It is the same in the barrel horse industry.
To succeed you must do your homework. It is my humble opinion that luck may play a "small" role, but doing your homework and putting the time in playes a much larger role.
Those that win didn't do it out of sheer luck-they win because they have taken the time to do their homework and figure out what training methods work best to make a winning combination.
I personally know several people who make their living and make money off of their barrel horses.
I do not mean this to sound snarky in any way, but it is also my humble opinion that most horses could easily run in the 4th division.
Therefore----I am not a fan of even payout. I greatly appreciate divisions though....because as of now that is where I am at...LOL
I agree with almost everything you said, but I would like to see the "balance sheet" of those people who think they make very much money. If you consider all the costs of everything, then I think you are talking about very few people. Oh they are out there, but we are talking about a tiny fraction. I say this often, mainly to serve as a reminder to young people that they need to keep a realistic perspective. That's all. I wish things were different, but that's the reality. I think some people squander everything they have and then some in pursuit of something that is a very very long shot, to say the least. They win a few barrel races, and some even win a lot, but it's a drop in the bucket, compared to the total cost. It's good to dream, |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. |
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Location: Way up North | dianeguinn - 2013-11-26 7:52 PM
AllAroundRider - 2013-11-26 7:02 PM
DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower.....
This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game?
Well, you haven't gone enough. I know several who are perfectly content going the speed they are, and have told me more than once that they don't want a faster horse, and that they make more money in the 4D than others do in the faster D....which is true. Let me tell you a true story. I used to be 1D rider fifteen years ago. I was one of those that when I showed up, people expected me to set the pace. I didn't always do it, but the large majority of the time, my horse was in the top of the 1D or won the whole thing. Then that horse got hurt and I went back to riding colts. Got one more like that 7 years later and once again, was expected to do well if I showed up. Sold that horse for a ton of money. Now, at 61 years of age, I have to work VERY hard on my confidence and my body to even be able to ride a 3D horse. The horse I ride is capable of 1D, and the rare days I ride him well, he runs there. More often than not, I run 3D/4D. I have NEVER complained about how much I won in the 3D/4d. I was just grateful I got a check for running slow. Fast forward to last week. Have been working really hard on letting my horse run and work a little more toward his potential and was 2nd in the 2D in a very tough crowd. Due to the cold, there was only 18 in the jackpot...that didn't lessen the level of toughness because the top people were still there. Mark Bugni won it (google his name if you don't know what he's been winning in the last few years ) and won $34. Jyme Beth Cochrane (former 3 time IPRA champ, last year's CRRA finals average winner, etc. ) was 2nd and won $29. The entry fee was $30. I got 2nd in the 2D and was SO excited because I finally thought I would get a little more money by being in the lower D's, and was so excited to run a half second off Mark and Jyme Beth....well I got $29 also. Found out it was equal pay (which I should have checked before I ran, but those races had always been sliding scale, but this was a new group putting them on, so they decided to change ), so that's why none of us got very much. Think Mark will be back to run that good horse and set the D's the next time? I know I won't be back again to lose a dollar with a good run....what will happen if they continue with equal pay is that the races will get slower and slower because the good horses will go where they can win more money, and the slow ones will go to the equal pay races. So fast forward again....you buy a horse that runs 1D at the equal pay races thinking you have a 1D horse and then go to a big NBHA show....you'll be lucky to even be in the D's....so how happy do you think you will be with your purchase? Equal payouts may make the people that place in the higher D's happy, but pretty soon that's all that will be running there, and IMO, the numbers WILL suffer...it will just take awhile.
Guess I just hang out with people that are motivated and driven. I don't doubt there are people that are content with where they are at but I am willing to bet if you put a poll up, the majority will want to get better and make those 1D runs. I'm just sick and tired of people wanting to generalize the lower D's are some how complacent and don't work as hard as the 1D group.
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Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
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| AllAroundRider - 2013-11-26 10:07 PM dianeguinn - 2013-11-26 7:52 PM AllAroundRider - 2013-11-26 7:02 PM DLV - 2013-11-26 4:02 PM Just like communism.... it gives you NOTHING to work up to if you can make the SAME amount running slower..... This arguement irks me to no end. I have yet to meet anyone that barrel races that would say they don't want to get faster because the 4D just pays too good. Barrel racers are competitive by nature otherwise why the hell we would we put in the blood, sweat, and tears and pay the thousands upon thousands to play the game? Well, you haven't gone enough. I know several who are perfectly content going the speed they are, and have told me more than once that they don't want a faster horse, and that they make more money in the 4D than others do in the faster D....which is true. Let me tell you a true story. I used to be 1D rider fifteen years ago. I was one of those that when I showed up, people expected me to set the pace. I didn't always do it, but the large majority of the time, my horse was in the top of the 1D or won the whole thing. Then that horse got hurt and I went back to riding colts. Got one more like that 7 years later and once again, was expected to do well if I showed up. Sold that horse for a ton of money. Now, at 61 years of age, I have to work VERY hard on my confidence and my body to even be able to ride a 3D horse. The horse I ride is capable of 1D, and the rare days I ride him well, he runs there. More often than not, I run 3D/4D. I have NEVER complained about how much I won in the 3D/4d. I was just grateful I got a check for running slow. Fast forward to last week. Have been working really hard on letting my horse run and work a little more toward his potential and was 2nd in the 2D in a very tough crowd. Due to the cold, there was only 18 in the jackpot...that didn't lessen the level of toughness because the top people were still there. Mark Bugni won it (google his name if you don't know what he's been winning in the last few years ) and won $34. Jyme Beth Cochrane (former 3 time IPRA champ, last year's CRRA finals average winner, etc. ) was 2nd and won $29. The entry fee was $30. I got 2nd in the 2D and was SO excited because I finally thought I would get a little more money by being in the lower D's, and was so excited to run a half second off Mark and Jyme Beth....well I got $29 also. Found out it was equal pay (which I should have checked before I ran, but those races had always been sliding scale, but this was a new group putting them on, so they decided to change ), so that's why none of us got very much. Think Mark will be back to run that good horse and set the D's the next time? I know I won't be back again to lose a dollar with a good run....what will happen if they continue with equal pay is that the races will get slower and slower because the good horses will go where they can win more money, and the slow ones will go to the equal pay races. So fast forward again....you buy a horse that runs 1D at the equal pay races thinking you have a 1D horse and then go to a big NBHA show....you'll be lucky to even be in the D's....so how happy do you think you will be with your purchase? Equal payouts may make the people that place in the higher D's happy, but pretty soon that's all that will be running there, and IMO, the numbers WILL suffer...it will just take awhile. Guess I just hang out with people that are motivated and driven. I don't doubt there are people that are content with where they are at but I am willing to bet if you put a poll up, the majority will want to get better and make those 1D runs. I'm just sick and tired of people wanting to generalize the lower D's are some how complacent and don't work as hard as the 1D group. As I said before I prefer sliding scale unless equal payouts pull more entrants which would mean a bigger check for everyone.
I hope I did not give that impression to you by any of my posts.
I have been a witness to what it takes to make several nice solid 1D horses. There are a lot of factors that I think people have to evaluate when wanting to move up.
It may be having to admit that the horse doesn't have the ability(some people don't want to admit that), or there is not enough time in a schedule to allow the ride time that is needed, or maybe the rider doesn't know what to get accomplished while working the horse....
What I have witnessed is those that are at the top are constantly tuning and refining their work.
You hual to a show-you do several warm ups, run if the horse works as it should-if it doesn't you are in that arena AFTER the show getting something accomplished...and then you are back at it the next morning. If that doesn't work-you regroup that week and come up with another training plan....and implement it. Heck-sometimes a horse is ridden three times in one day....at least from what I have witnessed. You do whatever you can to make the horse more broke and know you are on the right track when a horse can lay down several back to back consistent runs...and then you continue.
IMO not many people are that dedicated.
I will never forget this summer I was at a horse show and during my two runs my horse leaned in and shouldered the second barrel. They ended up being clean, but the second barrel was less then ideal.
After the show I remember thinking...I should be schooling my horse right now, and my friend said-Just let it be.
Next day-first thing my trainer asks me is why I didn't tune my horse after the show...LOL
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God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
I am sorry, honestly I wasn't trying to stir anything .......some of the other pages it was getting slightly heated ..........I was just trying to have fun...... |
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Location: Qld Australia | God Is My Light - 2013-11-27 1:25 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-26 9:12 PM
God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
I am sorry, honestly I wasn't trying to stir anything .......some of the other pages it was getting slightly heated ..........I was just trying to have fun......
Your idea of fun and mine are two different things. I have read every post on these 10 pages and you are the only poster 10 pages later to return trying to stir up trouble. There have been other attempts but they have given up. I suggest you do the same.
I have refrained from posting until now but I too will add my two cents worth. I believe whole heartedly in the divisional system and believe whole heartedly that the horse/s to set the pace should be rewarded with a higher payout.
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| barrelracr131 - 2013-11-26 12:33 AM Around here, I don't think I've ever seen an equal payout race.
Like the D system or not, I think overall, it's good for the industry. It gives value to the horses that may not ever have the ability to hit the 1D. It also allows producers to host larger races at better facilities and still make money.
For family-geared organizations, like NBHA and IBRA, it allows kids to measurably work up through the Ds, and maybe still win a little something along the way. Same goes for me as a weekend rider. In addition, it rewards the hard work of those running for points and rewards their dedication with end of year awards.
I think progressive payout is the way to go, personally. The fastest division should pay better. However, the D system, despite its "socialist" overtones (lol) still does more good than harm for the industry. Jmo
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM
God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM
DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM
God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM
it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
You're a bully.
It's been said
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-27 8:37 AM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM
DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM
God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM
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it has been a pretty good discussion
Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other.
Then why didn't you say that?
Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further.
You're a bully.
It's been said
You da man, woman whatever the case may be...and to think all this time I thought you were just another creeper. 
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't see any bullying on this thread. Where is the "bullying"?
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-27 8:10 AM I don't see any bullying on this thread. Where is the "bullying"? People seem to be quick to toss the bully label these days.
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Location: GA | HotbearLVR - 2013-11-27 9:10 AM
I don't see any bullying on this thread. Where is the "bullying"?
People seem to be quick to toss the bully label these days.
Well they called me a bully first so of course it makes it right for me to call them a bully. I was defending myself because someone thought my thoughts that I can back of with fact was insane, then then he accused me of being a bully...but but if y'all hurt my feelings I am just going to quit posting and take my toys somewhere else.
Seriously please tell me that this is all in fun and peeps do not think otherwise? All these post with those popcorn things and camping out just crack me up.  Really go watch msnbc. They will keep you in stitches.
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-27 7:37 AM *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM it has been a pretty good discussion Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. Then why didn't you say that? Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further. You're a bully. It's been said
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| HotbearLVR - 2013-11-27 8:10 AM
I don't see any bullying on this thread. Where is the "bullying"?
People seem to be quick to toss the bully label these days.I
I think, that Robin and I were just joking. I was at least.
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Location: GA | DD2012 - 2013-11-27 10:11 AM
HotbearLVR - 2013-11-27 8:10 AM
I don't see any bullying on this thread. Where is the "bullying"?
People seem to be quick to toss the bully label these days.I
I think, that Robin and I were just joking. I was at least.
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Location: Texas | TXBO - 2013-11-27 9:08 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-27 7:37 AM *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM it has been a pretty good discussion Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. Then why didn't you say that? Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further. You're a bully. It's been said
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| bocephus's mama - 2013-11-27 11:17 AM TXBO - 2013-11-27 9:08 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-27 7:37 AM *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM it has been a pretty good discussion Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. Then why didn't you say that? Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further. You're a bully. It's been said
LMAO! I hear DD is friends with RWR..... Chuck Norris is scared of RWR. |
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Location: Texas | TXBO - 2013-11-27 11:22 AM bocephus's mama - 2013-11-27 11:17 AM TXBO - 2013-11-27 9:08 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-27 7:37 AM *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:04 AM DD2012 - 2013-11-26 10:12 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM it has been a pretty good discussion Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. Then why didn't you say that? Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further. You're a bully. It's been said
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Location: Midwest | RWR has a bear rug in his room
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 11:31 AM RWR has a bear rug in his room
the bear isn't dead. it is just afraid to move
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Location: Great NW | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 9:31 AM RWR has a bear rug in his room
the bear isn't dead. it is just afraid to move
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Location: Oz, Kansas | God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 8:25 PM DD2012 - 2013-11-26 9:12 PM God Is My Light - 2013-11-26 9:06 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-11-26 8:56 PM it has been a pretty good discussion Yes Ma'am, did not mean any disrespect for anyone. But was just saying it was a pretty heated discussion with really educated people I like it when people actually discus it intelligently rather then cussing and insulting each other. Then why didn't you say that? Instead you attempted, badly, but you attempted non the less to stir the pot further. I am sorry, honestly I wasn't trying to stir anything .......some of the other pages it was getting slightly heated ..........I was just trying to have fun......
I have a question & I don't mean to offend but have you had other user names on this site? You remind me of someone who used to post under the user name Blessed Chic. I seem to be very knowledgeable about long time users even though your account was just activated recently. |
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Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?! |
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?! |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 10:31 AM RWR has a bear rug in his room
the bear isn't dead. it is just afraid to move
So you're now comparing RWR to Chuck Norris? I think I'll take my chances with Chuck.
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Location: ND | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 12:29 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO But you DONT have the same bills! Horses are generally more expensive the better they are. Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care. The ability to be able to ride one takes time too. If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?! Lol oh no you didn't just go there? What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking? It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger. My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much. So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D. My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it. The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc. So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking. For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
possibly....and i'm just throwing this out there as a crazy thought.......there may ssomeday be barrel races where the faster horse actually wins more money....?????? |
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 12:29 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO But you DONT have the same bills! Horses are generally more expensive the better they are. Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care. The ability to be able to ride one takes time too. If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?! Lol oh no you didn't just go there? What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking? It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger. My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much. So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D. My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it. The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc. So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking. For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
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Location: Texas | TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:03 PM bocephus's mama - 2013-11-27 11:28 AM Someone should make some RWR memes! Are you crazy or just have a death wish?
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Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:35 PM What if I told you
RWR and Chuck Norris were THE SAME PERSON
i would say you are and agent trying to trick me......
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horses do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
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*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
You just made all of Robins points for her.
She doesn't even have to strain a finger muscle shooting your claims down because you did it for her.
Sheesh,
ETA: Never mind, she did it anyway.
ETAA: Never mind again. I went and looked at your profile so I now understand everything that I need to.
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables? |
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| AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 12:17 PM SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO But you DONT have the same bills! Horses are generally more expensive the better they are. Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care. The ability to be able to ride one takes time too. If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
I've seen countless people with $50K horses riding in $100K trailers pulled behind $60K rigs that spend $1000's on suppliments, custom saddles, tack, vet bills, massage and chiropractic and training. They can't get out of the 3D though. By your logic, they do deserve equal money. Some of these knuckleheads would deserve more than the 1D could possible pay. |
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
Dang I just can't shut it off. Sorry back to the dressage horses. The kissing spines theory is borderline bogus. |
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?
So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.
You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities? |
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Location: The black prairie of Mississippi | I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs.
Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull.
To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can. |
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:50 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:45 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?
So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.
You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities?
I'm not following. Turn styles do not dictate the D a horse is going to place in? Turn styles also do not denote wear and tear on the joints unless you try and cram a square peg in a round hole. Forcing a horse to work against its natural way of going is just asking for unsoundness or forcing you in a lower D. |
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| yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways....
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | Let's just ditch entry fees and hand everybody free money when they cone through the gate just for showing up. That should solve it. |
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:50 PM
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AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?
So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.
You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities?
I'm not following. Turn styles do not dictate the D a horse is going to place in? Turn styles also do not denote wear and tear on the joints unless you try and cram a square peg in a round hole. Forcing a horse to work against its natural way of going is just asking for unsoundness or forcing you in a lower D.
I do not say unnatural - I simply stated maximum capabilities.
Have you ever watched barrel racing?!
A majority of the 4D horses RUN around the barrels, they don't put as much effort into a run as the open horses do.
That is not in ALL cases, but in MOST. |
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Location: ND | yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can.
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
that comes out to 6.666666666666666666...%
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Location: GA | AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:56 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:54 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:50 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:45 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:42 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:37 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:29 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 1:20 PM
AfleetEquine - 2013-11-27 1:17 PM
SHORTHORSE - 2013-11-25 4:09 PM
Sooo if all the 2-5d horses don't deserve to get paid the same even though it cost us the same to entry fee, fuel, feed, vet bills, maybe we just need to stay home and then the 1D horses can run against each other for a WHOLE LOT less money. I am a supporter of equal payouts. There are more horses that run in the 2-5d at a big race than in the 1D. JMO
But you DONT have the same bills!
Horses are generally more expensive the better they are.
Horses that are 1D horses vs 3D/4D work A LOT harder therefore require more care.
The ability to be able to ride one takes time too.
If we have Equal Payouts why would I bother paying $1,500+ for a decent stallion breeding when I can potentially make the same profit off of a $100 stud fee?!
Lol oh no you didn't just go there?
What is with you peeps and your simple way of thinking?
It is the truth. I'm sorry. My first horse was 4D. He ran around the barrels - no training or anything. My second horse was 3D - sometimes falling in the 2D, he was a nice horse when he was younger.
My moms mare can be 1D if you're aggressive enough on her, but I haven't rode her much.
So therefore, from someone who has been ALL OVER the board, I see the care that a 1D horse needs versus a 4D.
My 4D had no training, the 1D horse had lots of training. There went people's lively hoods. Why bother paying for barrel training if you can potential make the same money without it.
The more effort a horse puts into their job the more prone they are to needed chiropractic work, massage therapy, injections, supplements, etc.
So again. Tell me about my simple way of thinking.
For the person who makes a living at training horses, selling them, and so forth. What is the point of putting all the time and effort into one to get the same price for it no matter if it's better than another?!
Physical law does not support the assumption that a 1D horse requires more care, carries more wear and tear on its joints than a lower D horse. There are absolutely way too many variables to simplify it so.
I can confidently say though that the majority of high level dressage horse do require more maintenance and will carry more wear and tear on its joints than a barrel race horse reqardless the barrel horse's level.
I have been all over the board as well with a heavy influence of equine med and therapy. I am just not pulling it out my well you get the pic.
I am in the therapy business as well.
And how the heck can you go from a 1D barrel horse - to a lower D - TO A high level dressage horse?!
The ability of a high level dressage horse is unreal, all those unnatural movements - THAT IS NOT EASY. Hence why they have a tendency to develop kissing spine. So, removing you rather invalid case on a barrel horse to a dressage horse. . .
You have few instances of the "tough horses" and ones that aren't so "tough" in both the 1D to the 4D. Some do require more care.
So we went in and brought a completely different sport into play - lets grab a high school football player and a pro football player, ask them which requires more maintenance.
You are correct I wandered over to the dressage side...lol.
So if you are in therapy you have studied equine motion and should understand all the variables?
So tell me about a 4D horse that runs around the barrels versus a 1D horse that puts effort into pushing off of a barrel, running hard into a barrel and slowing themselves down enough to turn, just to push off again.
You mean to tell me that the same tear is coming from one who RUNS around the barrels versus the one that pushes themselves to their maximum capabilities?
I'm not following. Turn styles do not dictate the D a horse is going to place in? Turn styles also do not denote wear and tear on the joints unless you try and cram a square peg in a round hole. Forcing a horse to work against its natural way of going is just asking for unsoundness or forcing you in a lower D.
I do not say unnatural - I simply stated maximum capabilities.
Have you ever watched barrel racing?!
A majority of the 4D horses RUN around the barrels, they don't put as much effort into a run as the open horses do.
That is not in ALL cases, but in MOST.
Barrel racing. Me heck no scares the beejeevies out of me. I won't even walk in the same pasture with a barrel horse. They are loones. Certifiable.
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Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:58 PM TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
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Location: Midwest | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 1:02 PM barrelracr131 - 2013-11-27 12:58 PM TXBO - 2013-11-27 12:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
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Location: mi | TXBO - 2013-11-27 1:55 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways.... How do you split 33 1/3% five ways?
I had to reread that a couple of times. What I think was being said is they had a 3D with the money split 33 1/3% in each D. Then busted up into the top 5 of each D. |
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| Haven't read all the replies, but I don't think the payouts should be equal.
The Olympics sure don't give everyone a Gold medal just for showing up to their event. It is a competition. Those who perform the best on that day should be rewarded for their efforts.
Barrel racing is the same. It is a speed event and a competition. Those who perform the best on that particular day should be rewarded for doing so. Either you like the way the game is played or you don't. If you don't like it, stop playing rather than complain until you get your way. JMO |
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| No. It should not be equal. Why should it? A great percentage of the top D's are that way not because they had deeper pocket books, but because they have a true desire and actually go out and practice and give it a 100%.
Life isn't fair. Competiton is a wonderful motivator.
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 12:56 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can. something actually worth reading on here.....
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2013-11-27 2:38 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-11-27 12:56 PM yogibear81 - 2013-11-27 12:50 PM I haven't read all the replies but when NBHA came to Mississippi in 1993 the first several shows paid equal 33 1/3% each D split 5 ways. I was running a pony at the time and won the 3D one night and was tickled I had won as much as the rodeo girls winning the 1D. That equal money opportunity brought everybody with a horse, mule, or alpaca to our shows. We were used to having about 30 people running in the open jackpot barrels in our winter series. We started having 150 running in these new fangled NBHAs. Like I said, this only lasted about a half a season. All the 1D people got together, said it wasn't fair that people like me (I was used as a specific example) were winning as much as them. So they went to a 60, 30, 10 split. We of course still went, but we lost a lot of runners and the 1D lost those big checks they were looking to pull. To each their own. I think it's awesome that some of you have that option to run for equal money. But honestly if you don't like it don't run. That's why I don't go to the big 3 day shows any more. For one I don't have a good enough horse. Number two I've gotten tired of donating because really running 4D/5D is a crap shoot after the 1D. I'll stick to running local, having fun, and breaking even when I can. something actually worth reading on here.....
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Location: southeast Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 12:37 PM There is only one Chuck Norris and nobody can be Chuck but Chuck
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| If you like equal payouts why not have each place in each D pay the same? Why reward the faster times in each D???? |
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Location: southeast Texas | rodeomom3 - 2013-11-27 3:21 PM If you like equal payouts why not have each place in each D pay the same? Why reward the faster times in each D????
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | roxieannie - 2013-11-27 3:17 PM Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 12:37 PM There is only one Chuck Norris and nobody can be Chuck but Chuck
Heres another one thats getting to be really awesome to watch, such a cutie I think
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Location: OK | Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling.
Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time.
I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot.
A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it.
I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win.
YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
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Location: Oz, Kansas | jojammer - 2013-11-27 2:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
What are you the voice of reason or something?
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Location: Washington | jojammer - 2013-11-27 1:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If it was not for all the D's barrel races there would not be much of barrel racing now adays. It has giving every level of barrel horse and rider a chance at something they can be proud of. Even the very green rider has a chance to compete and come back a winner in their D. To me it has opened up a whole new world for all the barrel horse trainers and breeders. Befor the D's were even started the barrel racing world was not going anywhere, but look at it now WOW. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-11-27 3:56 PM If it was not for all the D's barrel races there would not be much of barrel racing now adays. It has giving every level of barrel horse and rider a chance at something they can be proud of. Even the very green rider has a chance to compete and come back a winner in their D. To me it has opened up a whole new world for all the barrel horse trainers and breeders. Befor the D's were even started the barrel racing world was not going anywhere, but look at it now WOW.
Absolutely!! D's have changed the sport. I go to equal pay out races and also support sliding scale. I see nothing wrong with paying more to the faster D's. It is about where you end up, not how you got there. If life were like that everyone who puts in a 10 hour work day would all get paid the same-it is how productive you are. |
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Location: GA | What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such.
There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it.
For some reason that just irked my arse.
I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it.
Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin...
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| lookout hill - 2013-11-27 4:47 PM jojammer - 2013-11-27 2:44 PM Ahhh, I look at it like this. If you aren't in the 1D, and if there were no jackpots, you would NEVER win a check ANYWHERE if it weren't for the D system. That being said, everything after the 1D checks are a total gamble, and we should be glad we are getting a check to offset cost of hauling. Those of you who believe your 4D horse, maintenance, time and trouble are exactly the same as having a 1D/rodeo horse are either fooling yourselves or (IMO) you are putting an awful lot of $ and work into a horse who may not be worth that trouble IF you aren't happy with how you're clocking. I know for me, if I had to sink a bunch of $ and time into a horse, and he's 1.5 seconds off, I'm getting a different horse because I want a better investment of my time. I don't believe in equal payout at all. I think the elite should be appreciated and rewarded over the ones who don't dedicate themselves as much. I don't judge anyone for what D they land in, but I don't think I deserve the big $ when I ride 3 times a week and work a full time job and clock in the 3D either. Lately, I'm in the 3D alot. A high school diploma won't get you a job as a doctor (Thank God). You have to invest in yourself, invest your time and money. You have to want it. If you want to advance, you have to figure out how to get it and then go get it. I think the mentality that everybody should get the same rewards is what's wrong with alot of things. Equal rewards takes away the desire in you to win. YOU are the ones who choose how to spend your time, be it with work, kids, other hobbies etc. We all have the same 24 hour days. There are those who are strict and dedicated. Be proud when they win, they deserve it!!! What are you the voice of reason or something?
Everything you said was spot on.
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin...
I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike. |
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest. As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
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Location: OK | I'm not sure you read my post entirely, or maybe you're having a bad day... but WHAT I SAID was the elite, not ME the elite. I'm in the 3D lately, which was in my post.
I don't understand your thinking on having a 1D horse to maintain, then not wanting that and wanting a slower horse if I'm understanding that right? BUT, I'm not you, and that's ok. Whatever you wanna ride is ok. My point is this. If you wanna weekend it, if you wanna part time it, go ahead, just don't be mad when you get in the 4d and it doesn't pay the same as the 1D and think the 1D should make equal $ as you.
I do rodeo when I can. I DO believe the top horses/riders/trainers are elite and deserve to be appreciated. If you ever were one of those, you understand the life it takes.
I'm not saying I'm a pro, I'm saying I understand the difference.
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Location: GA | runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike.
Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over.
I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse. |
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Location: OK | runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:01 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest. As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
Without the lower D horses/riders, we wouldn't be anything???!!! Huh?! Before Ds, there were greats too. Ds don't make greats, they just make more holes to pay.
A bunch of "1D" riders running without the lower D riders would be straight paid, and would still make the same amount of money. When you go to a rodeo, it's all 1-2D horses usually, and as any of you rodeo girls know, the checks are just as big.
Yes, lower Ds make a bigger pot, but also way way more holes to pay. Evens out. |
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Location: Florida.. | Alot of good comments and all of it makes sense. I dont think equal payout is fair. I do however understand that in order for riders to keep entering.. even with the tough riders and horses there i think a lower payout at each D is needed.. or they would look at entries and not enter knowing they dont stand a chance.. I think the top deserve more payout.. but .. the top at the lower Ds should get something..a lesser amount.. |
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runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike.
Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over. I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse.
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Location: GA | jojammer - 2013-11-27 6:06 PM
runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:01 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest. As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
Without the lower D horses/riders, we wouldn't be anything???!!! Huh?! Before Ds, there were greats too. Ds don't make greats, they just make more holes to pay.
A bunch of "1D" riders running without the lower D riders would be straight paid, and would still make the same amount of money. When you go to a rodeo, it's all 1-2D horses usually, and as any of you rodeo girls know, the checks are just as big.
Yes, lower Ds make a bigger pot, but also way way more holes to pay. Evens out.
Lol seriously as I said without lower D riders you would not be anything. You would not be a "1D" anything. Rodeos do not have D riders/horses. Straight races do not have D riders/horses. You people are letting the divisional races define you. |
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:03 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike. Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over.
I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse.
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Location: OK | No. What defines me is how well I'm doing on the horse I'm on and my determination to improve. D races don't define me. That makes no sense.
As I said in my post earlier, if you're investing the same time, work, $ and effort into a 4D horse and can't get out of the 4D but you want to, you either need to fix your riding or get a different horse. Just because I'm having trouble doesn't mean I think I deserve the same $ as the ones who know how to win. Obviously, I don't know how to win right now on this horse, or I would be doing it. The fact that I'm working hard at it and not making it is totally my fault. To be honest, I don't put 1 ounce of thought into what the 1D checks are unless I'm in it. |
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Location: ILLINOIS | I don't like the thought of equal payout in each division but I do think the last place in the last division should at LEAST get their entry fee back. I hate going to races and placing and not even getting HALF of my entry... |
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