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Location: Great NW | rub them down with Witch Hazel/ vinegar mix. I Patch them. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 12:17 PM
rub them down with Witch Hazel/ vinegar mix. I Patch them.
WHY?
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Location: Midwest | I like the BOT quick wraps
Or a SNM poultice
I'm lazy when it comes to wrapping |
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Location: TX | My horses live in all their Back on Track products! No bows, bell boots, hock wraps & the sheet. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 12:46 PM
Promote circulation
Says who?
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Location: Great NW | Well 40 years of using the mixture and a year of seeing results from the patches. says me. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 12:59 PM
Well 40 years of using the mixture and a year of seeing results from the patches. says me.
How do you see increased circulation?
Is it the Nano technology in the patches that is increasing this circulation?
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Location: Midwest | DD2012 - 2013-11-27 1:01 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 12:59 PM Well 40 years of using the mixture and a year of seeing results from the patches. says me. How do you see increased circulation? Is it the Nano technology in the patches that is increasing this circulation?
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | After every run we put sore no more clay on. My horses will literally stop what they are doing and stand stock still when that goes on them. Heads go down, the works. That is good enough for me to know that feels good for them. Most o fthe time we are not overnighting anywhere so the clay is all they get with sore no more on their backs.
If they are going into a stall I put sore no more liniment on and wrap with no bows. Sore no more on their backs too.
My one mare does well with PHT stuff so she will stand at the trailer with the halter piece on. Right now she is on the injured reserve list and while she is in her stall she has the PHT on 24/7, including the 3n1. When she is hauled she does so.
My one mare doesn't respond well to PHT and we will be buying her Back on Track this year for Christmas. She would also be living in that on the road. |
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Location: Great NW | She asked and I told her what has worked for me. I do not make my horses wear HOT bandages unless they absolutely have to. I do not use products that burn them either. After years with very few leg injuries or problems I would say it works. My opinion. A year ago I began using the patches too and I have had good results with them. The technology has worked for me and my horses. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 1:19 PM
She asked and I told her what has worked for me. I do not make my horses wear HOT bandages unless they absolutely have to. I do not use products that burn them either. After years with very few leg injuries or problems I would say it works. My opinion. A year ago I began using the patches too and I have had good results with them. The technology has worked for me and my horses.
Are you aware that Witch Hazel is an astringent and if anything reduces circulation?
Also, I see you are a dealer for the Magic Patch, so tell me how it works. I may want to get in on some of this.
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Location: Washington | Standing Wraps and BOT No-Bows while hauling and stalling. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 1:44 PM
My website is posted.
That is the acculife web site not yours.
And I have read it, I am curious about one thing though. The very first article contradicts everything that the salesmen(that's you) have told me about these patches and about the way they work. I can almost believe that the bead may in fact have some slight impact on the acupressure points. But I have been told time and again that the beads are not needed. So if that is the case why not just stick some tape on and rock on instead of paying $100 plus bucks for a pack of tape and some beads that you are supposed to throw away?
Oh, and you didn't answer my question about the witch hazel.
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Location: Great NW | I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H. The Apple cider vinegar - detox and balances the PH h . My mixture bythe way is: 1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV. spray it on, rub a bit and done.
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 2:05 PM
I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H. The Apple cider vinegar - detox and balances the PH h . My mixture bythe way is: 1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV. spray it on, rub a bit and done.
I just asked you how it worked.
You claimed it increased circulation and I asked how it could possibly do that.
By nature if something is constricted(your words not mine) then flow can not be increased.
Also I have been told by numerous acculife sales people that the beads were not necessary and to just throw them away.
The very first article that you directed me to read claims that the therapeutic value comes from the accupressure of the beads.
I have nothing against you and I am in no way "bullying" you. You made claims to as to the efficacy of a product and I asked you to quantify or defend your claim.
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Location: Phoenix | No wraps, just Sore No More poultice, especially when stalling.
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Location: Great NW | DD2012 - 2013-11-27 1:06 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 2:05 PM I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H. The Apple cider vinegar - detox and balances the PH h . My mixture bythe way is: 1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV. spray it on, rub a bit and done. I just asked you how it worked. You claimed it increased circulation and I asked how it could possibly do that. By nature if something is constricted (your words not mine ) then flow can not be increased. Also I have been told by numerous acculife sales people that the beads were not necessary and to just throw them away. The very first article that you directed me to read claims that the therapeutic value comes from the accupressure of the beads. I have nothing against you and I am in no way "bullying" you. You made claims to as to the efficacy of a product and I asked you to quantify or defend your claim.
The article does not say anything about beads - You read the information - you evidently do not believe in them. There are some that are skeptics about Aculife just as some do not believe in Chiropracters and Sports Massage. I am not a person to push something on anyone. Have you tried them? Did they work for your issue? I tried them and they worked for me and the issues I was having- that is enough for me. I am not a "scientific" type- I do not care about the wheres and hows - just that it worked for me when other things I tried did not. Like other products I do not expect them to "cure all". I use them to help. If someone would like to try them in my area - I am more than happy to help them. but I will not "convince" someone of a products worth. |
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| speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 3:44 PM
DD2012 - 2013-11-27 1:06 PM speedjunkie - 2013-11-27 2:05 PM I haven't said anything about how they work. so how could I contradict myself. My mixture has worked for years. I do not need to explain it to you. And 1 question for you~ what did I ever do to you? you always call me out on anything I post - why is that - I post my opinion and what has worked for me. I do not insist anyone use the stuff - I do NOT insinuate that I am a vet. so what exactly is the problem here. I do not pay to advertise on this site so I do not push products here. I come here for information and commadrie - not to be bullied.
Witch hazel is known for its Anti-inflamatory propertis and it known for shrinking blood vessels (hence its use in preparation H. The Apple cider vinegar - detox and balances the PH h . My mixture bythe way is: 1/2 water, 1/4 witch hazel, 1/4 ACV. spray it on, rub a bit and done. I just asked you how it worked. You claimed it increased circulation and I asked how it could possibly do that. By nature if something is constricted (your words not mine ) then flow can not be increased. Also I have been told by numerous acculife sales people that the beads were not necessary and to just throw them away. The very first article that you directed me to read claims that the therapeutic value comes from the accupressure of the beads. I have nothing against you and I am in no way "bullying" you. You made claims to as to the efficacy of a product and I asked you to quantify or defend your claim.
No biggie we're cool.
One suggestion though, if, not saying you are, but if you are going to sell something you really should read the material.
Good luck with your patches.
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Location: North Dakota | Red gets his Back-On-Track quick wraps before a race. After the race, I have ice boots that I put on his back legs. I should get another set so that I can do his front legs too. After the ice boots, I spray his legs down with a mixture of witch hazel and rubbing alcohol. I tried sore-no-more poultice and I didn't think it did any better than my WH/A mixture and it is super messy anyway. I personally don't like to wrap anything around my horse's legs after a run (unless it's my ice boots) because I don't want to lock in any heat.... that includes NOT using the BOT wraps after a run.
As far as the Witch Hazal "discussion" going on, it is my understanding that both the witch hazel and rubbing alcohol will "evaporate" and pull out heat from the leg as it does so?
The reason I use my BOT wraps before a race is to thermally increase circulation in the leg. |
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| I use BOT before I run, after I use tough 1 ice wraps. Then I put her PHT bells and 3n1s on hocks. I am thinking about getting some PHT tendon wraps for over night but haven't decided if it be worth the money or not. I have some BOT no-bows but I don't really like to leave BOT on for very long so it seems like I usually end up using the quick wraps since they are faster.
ETA: I also put SNM on her legs and anywhere her muscles get sore after I run.
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Location: Illinois | Back on Track Quick Wraps. He wears them anytime I'm not on his back while at barrel races. I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours |
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Location: Midwest | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM Back on Track Quick Wraps. He wears them anytime I'm not on his back while at barrel races. I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
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Location: North Dakota | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. |
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Location: Illinois | PHT are the only ones I have gotten vet approval for leaving on 24/7. BOT products can be used 24/7 but you are supposed to start with using a couple hours and then build up to wearing 24/7. I use my BOT products on an almost daily basis. I could be wrong on the magnet thing, but three vets have told me the same thing but then again that is just their recommendation. I'm sure some product manufacturers would tell you it was ok even if it wasn't, however I trust PHT the most. I just cannot afford PHT and I was able to get a great deal through a couple BOT dealers and I have 4 quick wraps, mesh sheet, and neck cover for less than the price of a PHT sheet. I fully support both brands though |
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| r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul |
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
Sellers of products take note.(Cheryl I have no idea if you sell them or not)
This is how you do it. I have no idea if what she said is correct or even physialogically possible but she sounds like she knows what she's talking about and that is half the battle. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More! |
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| DD2012 - 2013-11-29 7:30 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year.
I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
Sellers of products take note. (Cheryl I have no idea if you sell them or not ) This is how you do it. I have no idea if what she said is correct or even physialogically possible but she sounds like she knows what she's talking about and that is half the battle.
I don't sell them, I like to do my research before I put anything on my horses. I am fortunate enough to be able to ask my vet a bazillion questions about the latest and greatest products without being charged for his time. |
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| mreklaw - 2013-11-29 7:57 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More!
If you apply liniment on and apply the bot wraps you do increase your chances of scalding especially with alcohol products as you are heating the leg therefor heating the alcohol/liniment which can cause scalding in extreme cases or dermatitis in most cases.
This is why I let the sore no more air dry, and if I remember right there are no irritants listed in the ingredients. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-29 10:56 AM
mreklaw - 2013-11-29 7:57 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours
You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day.
The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body.
My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear.
When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex.
As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track.
When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
I was specifically told by the BOT sales person I bought from NOT to use any linament under BOT products including Sore No More!
If you apply liniment on and apply the bot wraps you do increase your chances of scalding especially with alcohol products as you are heating the leg therefor heating the alcohol/liniment which can cause scalding in extreme cases or dermatitis in most cases.
This is why I let the sore no more air dry, and if I remember right there are no irritants listed in the ingredients.
She told me if I had applied even sore no more in the last 24 hours that I would need to rinse his legs before using the boots. |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
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| r_beau - 2013-11-29 9:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
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| r_beau - 2013-11-29 11:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-28 11:03 PM r_beau - 2013-11-28 10:11 AM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2013-11-27 8:46 PM I like the BOT products because they are safe to be worn 24/7 and magnets are suggested to be left on for only 8-10 hours You know, I've always wondered about that since I got my BOT quick wraps this year. I never leave them on longer than 2 hours because I can actually feel the heat on the boots and the legs when I take them off. Yes, heat improves circulation, but we always talk about how you don't want to leave heat on legs for long periods of time. So I guess I'm still a bit unsure as to leaving them on all day. The back on track products reflect the heat, which causes vasodilation, which increases the blood flow to the area which then also increases the reuptake of the damaged cells, toxins, etc from the affected area back into the bloodstream and lympthatic system to be excreted out of the body. My own personal experience with bot has been positive, I have only had one horse sweat under the quick wrap and this was before he was diagnosed with a tendon tear. When I speak to my vet, he suggests acute injury apply ice, a chronic injury use the back on track when I am not using the thermotex. As some have said ice after running is the best thing to do, after I am done icing, then I will use the sore no more gel allow dry time then apply my back on track. When hauling to an event I do apply the back on track for the haul
But is heat still heat? Even though you are internally reflecting the horse's own heat on itself?
Not trying to start an arguement, but rather a discussion. We know that sport boots will trap heat on a horse's leg and shouldn't be used longer than 2 hours max ... What is different about that trapped heat versus the BOT reflected heat?
The difference between back on track and support boots is the breathability. Back on track products will still breathe, while support boots made of neoprene will not. This is the main difference.
Also would like to know why heat is bad
Edited by cheryl makofka 2013-11-29 12:42 PM
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Location: Here | recarlerrab - 2013-11-27 12:10 PM What do you do for your horses legs when you haul long distances or stall at a big show for a few days?
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Location: Lost in Texas | Game Ready, PHT products, sore no more mud and gel, and EPF-5. |
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Location: **Cactus Country down in South Texas*** | I started using the "Back on Track" wraps/blanket and really like them a lot. |
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Location: Illinois | My horse's legs are never hot when I take the wraps off after being on overnight. They are slightly warm, but not as warm as they are like when I take my polos off after a race or a workout. Sore-no-more is the only approved liniment to be used under BOT products too. As for the mesh sheet I can use it in the heat of summer and my horse doesn't get hot. |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Standing wraps with no-bow bandages and bell boots (front and back) for hauling. At shows, rubber mats in stalls and standing wraps with no-bows at night. |
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Location: Arkansas | Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends......  |
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| I use my PHT blanket and poll pack and soft rides... hoping to expand my collection of "luxury" items soon! |
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