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I'm not much on the lean horses if I have my choice and say the could run the same. . . I have owned a few. . . Generally they can run faster as they aren't as heavy. GENERALLY.
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Location: Texas | AfleetEquine - 2013-12-03 3:53 PM Stout, stout, stout. I love nothing more than those stud like horses. The only issue is saddle fit really. . . but that's an issue with any horse. I'm not much on the lean horses if I have my choice and say the could run the same. . . I have owned a few. . . Generally they can run faster as they aren't as heavy. GENERALLY. So, if they are both well built and can perform on the same level - STOUT, THICK, STOCKY. <3
Same here.
I have nothing against the petite looking horses, and wouldn't look past one because of it. If I had a choice though I would go with the stout looking horse.
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Location: Paradise , tx | Well, guess I will be odd man out, because I like tall, lanky more slinder built. That being said, my gelding I use to run was slimmer, thorobred type( he's retired) and my mare now is a stocky built horse. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Honestly, I think more people on here will prefer the look of a stout horse. It just looks like power. That said, I've ridden good horses of both types. The key phrase was "if they can run" so that, like that good old saying about a good horse never having a bad color, a horse that can run can be built any darn way he/she likes. :) |
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Location: Qld Australia | bennie1 - 2013-12-04 9:46 AM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
EXACTLY what I was thinking about stout horses.
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Short and wide. I like big butts....... |
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Location: PA | Wide looks nicer and is a little more mainstream in barrel racing, but I like my mare who is very narrow and gets the job done just as well.
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Location: Qld Australia | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 10:41 AM
bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education!
Horses with flat wide chests have trouble reaching across with their front legs. They can do it obviously but do not have the depth of reach as horses with a good V chest. It is really obvious in the reining pen; the horses that can really spin using a minimal amount of strides are the fastest spinners. Flat chested horses have to take more strides to cover the same ground when moving across/around. This then translates to being the manouver around a barrel for our barrel horses.
This is form to function and certainly holds true today. I love stout horses but don't like ones that you can drive a freight train between their front legs. This DOES NOT mean that they cannot make awesome horses by any means however form to function again rules that horses built right will do the job easier. (I know, I know, there are always going to be exceptions.)
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hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 10:41 AM
bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education!
Horses with flat wide chests have trouble reaching across with their front legs. They can do it obviously but do not have the depth of reach as horses with a good V chest. It is really obvious in the reining pen; the horses that can really spin using a minimal amount of strides are the fastest spinners. Flat chested horses have to take more strides to cover the same ground when moving across/around. This then translates to being the manouver around a barrel for our barrel horses.
This is form to function and certainly holds true today. I love stout horses but don't like ones that you can drive a freight train between their front legs. This DOES NOT mean that they cannot make awesome horses by any means however form to function again rules that horses built right will do the job easier. (I know, I know, there are always going to be exceptions. )
Edited 'cos I can't spell today lol.
What a great explanation. Appreciate it and thanks! I can't wait to pick mine up this weekend. I have had great luck buying horses sight unseen and hope and pray my luck holds...I want to see his chest! haha Hopefully he has a nice V! |
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Location: Qld Australia | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 11:33 AM
rockinj - 2013-12-03 7:15 PM
hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 10:41 AM
bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education!
Horses with flat wide chests have trouble reaching across with their front legs. They can do it obviously but do not have the depth of reach as horses with a good V chest. It is really obvious in the reining pen; the horses that can really spin using a minimal amount of strides are the fastest spinners. Flat chested horses have to take more strides to cover the same ground when moving across/around. This then translates to being the manouver around a barrel for our barrel horses.
This is form to function and certainly holds true today. I love stout horses but don't like ones that you can drive a freight train between their front legs. This DOES NOT mean that they cannot make awesome horses by any means however form to function again rules that horses built right will do the job easier. (I know, I know, there are always going to be exceptions. )
Edited 'cos I can't spell today lol. What a great explanation. Appreciate it and thanks! I can't wait to pick mine up this weekend. I have had great luck buying horses sight unseen and hope and pray my luck holds...I want to see his chest! haha Hopefully he has a nice V!
Thank you hpoin4$!! I am glad it was easy to follow lol. Make sure you post pics when you get him!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: NE Texas | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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bennie1 - 2013-12-03 5:46 PM
I like a stout horse, but they should really V-up in the pectoral region...not have a wide, flat chest floor.
Seems like years ago they thought a horse with a really wide chest couldn't turn as supple....I guess that doesn't hold true anymore? Would you mind explaining why that deep V is better? I know I should KNOW the reason but I don't and would love some education!
Horses with flat wide chests have trouble reaching across with their front legs. They can do it obviously but do not have the depth of reach as horses with a good V chest. It is really obvious in the reining pen; the horses that can really spin using a minimal amount of strides are the fastest spinners. Flat chested horses have to take more strides to cover the same ground when moving across/around. This then translates to being the manouver around a barrel for our barrel horses.
This is form to function and certainly holds true today. I love stout horses but don't like ones that you can drive a freight train between their front legs. This DOES NOT mean that they cannot make awesome horses by any means however form to function again rules that horses built right will do the job easier. (I know, I know, there are always going to be exceptions. )
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | Herbie - 2013-12-03 7:12 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! |
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Location: Georgia | I've ridden a mixture of builds and I tend to like them all. The three that stand out the most was a 14 hand Peppy San gelding that was lean, yet he had good bone and structure. He was like riding a 4 wheeler around a barrel, his feet constantly moved around the barrels... I also had a 16.2 hand Sun Frost gelding that was built like a stud. He was the smoothest, most elegant moving horse I've ever ridden. 3 steps and he was around the barrels. He's a very accomplished HS rodeo mount for a girl now... I've also had a 15.3 hand mare that is a daughter of Biduino out a AAA daughter of Royal Quick Dash. She was lean and lanky, but she would float on the ground and slide around the barrels. I enjoy riding all styles and builds of horses. I think it truly makes a rider more well rounded. |
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Location: NE Texas | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
That's so wonderful, hopin4$ that you are getting to enjoy your granddaughter! So happy for you! I hope whoever got Meg is loving her and I know that she's going to make someone an outstanding mare. Have you found another prospect or just shopping right now? So glad to see you back on here!!!! |
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I like a horse that is WIDE, that way my butt looks smaller than it actually is! Plus I like my horses with good bone on them, big hipped, big chests, thick necks......built like a brick house is my favorite.
lol!! AGREE and the of course until I lose weight, I've got to find me a 5" seat in a saddle with a nice big swell for that same reason! |
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hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
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RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!!
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This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
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Location: Kansas | GhostDancer - 2013-12-04 9:51 AM
I really like a thick horse. I'm with hoofs in motion. I think it's to make my butt look smaller.
This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
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Location: Feeding those that need me | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-04 9:54 AM GhostDancer - 2013-12-04 9:51 AM
I really like a thick horse. I'm with hoofs in motion. I think it's to make my butt look smaller.
This is my ideal horse, and I can finally call him mine! Wish all of mine were built exactly like him.
Thanks!
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!!
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| ThreeCorners - 2013-12-04 7:30 AM
Very very few extremily stout horses are actually that fast or that quick. To much body mass to move around.
I agree with this as well. Had a gorgeous stout bugger, was 15.2 and weighed 1350 on scales, no guesswork. He actually could run a lot...but was a very slow turner. He was smooth but his turns made him a small local jackpot 2-d horse. He's now picking up broncs in Texas. |
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Location: NE Texas | hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 8:30 AM Herbie - 2013-12-04 8:11 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
I have a 3 YO (remember Ricky)that had a couple outs at the track this fall. Total Performance had him in training for us and did an AMAZING job with him.....he was ready to start riding really riding the day he came home and returned with just as many manners as he left with. I was so happy with the job I got from Total Performance.....this colt really isn't currently fashionably bred to run down the race track, but we wanted him to get more forward and have the experience and he did and is a MUCH better horse for it. He's going to be alot of fun I think....he's a mess and can be full of himself and has been that way since he was 6 months old, but in a good way. He's alot of fun!
I still have the Game Patriot mare and had her loping the pattern this summer, but decided she needs to go to LA to raise track babies due to the breeders incentives there. I have another mare that we bought to breed, but I have ridden her too and like her. May breed her, may ride her, may sell her. Haven't decided yet. Ricky is where my focus is right now.
ETA, yay for Meg! I will be looking for her. You did a great job with her and I know she will have continued success!!!!! PM me who bought her so I can keep a lookout for them. :)
And thank you for your vote of confidence in my program. I'm hoping Ricky makes a nice one....i've been waiting on him for 3 years now and enjoyed every second of it....well almost every second. There's been times i've wanted to kill him, but he still makes me smile!
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2013-12-04 11:00 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 8:30 AM Herbie - 2013-12-04 8:11 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
I have a 3 YO (remember Ricky )that had a couple outs at the track this fall. Total Performance had him in training for us and did an AMAZING job with him.....he was ready to start riding really riding the day he came home and returned with just as many manners as he left with. I was so happy with the job I got from Total Performance.....this colt really isn't currently fashionably bred to run down the race track, but we wanted him to get more forward and have the experience and he did and is a MUCH better horse for it. He's going to be alot of fun I think....he's a mess and can be full of himself and has been that way since he was 6 months old, but in a good way. He's alot of fun!
I still have the Game Patriot mare and had her loping the pattern this summer, but decided she needs to go to LA to raise track babies due to the breeders incentives there. I have another mare that we bought to breed, but I have ridden her too and like her. May breed her, may ride her, may sell her. Haven't decided yet. Ricky is where my focus is right now.
ETA, yay for Meg! I will be looking for her. You did a great job with her and I know she will have continued success!!!!! PM me who bought her so I can keep a lookout for them. :)
And thank you for your vote of confidence in my program. I'm hoping Ricky makes a nice one....i've been waiting on him for 3 years now and enjoyed every second of it....well almost every second. There's been times i've wanted to kill him, but he still makes me smile!
Awww, thanks! Ricky is a pill and full of himself, but knows when it's time to go to work. I hope you enjoy him for years to come! It was a pleasure, my friend! |
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Location: Alberta | I'm going to say a happy medium.....I look at our horses which all range in height and build, they all carry good bone size, balanced muscle and deep barrels and good conformation.....none are "wide" chested, they are built well to beable to do the job asked of them without limitations....I like the word solid....
When I think wide chested I envision a horse built like a brick sh$? house LOL
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Medium. Just as with most things, medium is preferred. 
What really floats my boat is a horse with the aforementioned V'd up chest. I love that. My old barrel mare was V'd up, so are her daughters. When I saw my stallion for the first time and he was V'd as well; I was taking him home with me.
I also like one that cinches up big. Most of the horses I rode and did well on used a 36" cinch and still had plenty of latigo/billet showing.  |
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Location: Where we still run to look when the siren goes by. | How did your mare turn out that swallowed the fiberglass? I think about you and her often as I am pulling **** out of my horses mouth..
Glad you’re back, I didn’t think you’d be gone long!
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Rodeo Rose - 2013-12-04 1:14 PM
How did your mare turn out that swallowed the fiberglass? I think about you and her often as I am pulling **** out of my horses mouth..
Glad you’re back, I didn’t think you’d be gone long!
lol! I remember that post of all the stories of horses eating things too! The mare, Meg, is the gray in the pic...the fiberglass eater! roflmbo. She never showed any ill effects and I sold her 4 months ago as a solid 2D horse knocking on the 1D occasionally and the young lady has her running solid 1D times around here now! I guess she'll be easy to feed if things get tough...throw her any old thing to gobble up! haha! |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | total performance - 2013-12-04 11:10 AM
Herbie - 2013-12-04 11:00 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 8:30 AM Herbie - 2013-12-04 8:11 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
I have a 3 YO (remember Ricky )that had a couple outs at the track this fall. Total Performance had him in training for us and did an AMAZING job with him.....he was ready to start riding really riding the day he came home and returned with just as many manners as he left with. I was so happy with the job I got from Total Performance.....this colt really isn't currently fashionably bred to run down the race track, but we wanted him to get more forward and have the experience and he did and is a MUCH better horse for it. He's going to be alot of fun I think....he's a mess and can be full of himself and has been that way since he was 6 months old, but in a good way. He's alot of fun!
I still have the Game Patriot mare and had her loping the pattern this summer, but decided she needs to go to LA to raise track babies due to the breeders incentives there. I have another mare that we bought to breed, but I have ridden her too and like her. May breed her, may ride her, may sell her. Haven't decided yet. Ricky is where my focus is right now.
ETA, yay for Meg! I will be looking for her. You did a great job with her and I know she will have continued success!!!!! PM me who bought her so I can keep a lookout for them. :)
And thank you for your vote of confidence in my program. I'm hoping Ricky makes a nice one....i've been waiting on him for 3 years now and enjoyed every second of it....well almost every second. There's been times i've wanted to kill him, but he still makes me smile!
How awesome Total Performance helped put Ricky on the right track for you! Good trainers are so hard to come by! I really do understand how you wanted to instill free and forward motion in Ricky! I think that is why I buy horses that have run on the track! When I watched your videos of the ones you had going under saddle, you put the calm and quiet movement in them and nice slow softness. I admire that so much. I love bringing one down too and am not good at teaching one to fire hard! I need them to know that part already because I'm slow and easy. haha. So happy for you and whether you ride your new mare or not, I agree to concentrate on getting Ricky ready to go this spring! I hope so much Cooper takes to barrels & has a good attitude toward training...and a calm nature...you just never know with the ones you buy off the track, do you? All we can do is teach them that life now is different and filled with more love, caring, and personal interaction than their track experience was. So good to hear from you, Jessi!!!! |
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Location: Kansas | I agree with the poster about the bone. I think I have less problems with the finer boned horses that are narrow made. At my age I like them to be light on their feet and smooth. Although I have had smooth big boned huge horses but they are more rare. I like the way a narrow horse can turn through themselves around a barrel and its not so much power thrown at you. |
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Location: NE Texas | Thank you, hopin4$, you are too kind and I appreciate your words very much! I can't wait to see pictures of Cooper and hear more of the story. I'm so happy for Meg and am anxious to follow her and watch her and her new jockey be a success. We might see them run down that infamous tunnel one day, you never know!
I totally agree with you, Amy, in everything you said. I admire your program very much and think we look for a very similar horse to start. I visit your website often to see what you have going and enjoy watching your videos and seeing your colts progress. Go get em at the BFA! Hope your 2014 futurity season is an amazing one!
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| I work all kinds of horses, from my built like a tank barrel mare to the so narrow my knees almost touch pleasure horses, and I much prefer the thicker horses riding wise. The mare I race is thick enough to pass for one of the studs, but with a more feminine, pretty head than the boys do. Haha, 16hands and 1300#. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | hopin4$ - 2013-12-05 6:03 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 11:10 AM Herbie - 2013-12-04 11:00 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 8:30 AM Herbie - 2013-12-04 8:11 AM hopin4$ - 2013-12-04 7:14 AM total performance - 2013-12-04 7:00 AM Herbie - 2013-12-03 8:12 PM RodeoCowgirl4u - 2013-12-03 7:30 PMI don't really care, I've had both. But the one thing that is a MUST for any kind of "hard impact" event like barrels, jumping, etc, is very DENSE bone in the legs. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If I find a horse I like but it's very fine boned in the legs...I will keep looking. Small bone isn't weak bone, in fact small bone is often stronger for a couple of reasons.....it takes less blood supply for a smaller bone to remodel and repair. Secondly, finer bone is more flexible and often doesn't result in catastrophic injury. It has more give and under the same impact will simply fracture whereas a big thick bone will splinter and shatter. A finer boned horse with smaller feet will will be quicker footed and more agile, as it requires less energy to produce the same movement. Bone density is built through ground pounding exercise and sunlight regardless of the circumference or size of the bone. Both fine bone and heavy bone can have the same amount of strength under pressure. Its up to us as horsemen to ensure our horses are prepared physically for what we are asking them to do. Each day a horse is kept in a stall and out of the sunlight, their bone density is decreasing regardless of the exercise they are getting during their workout.So, I'll take those bigger, fine boned horses.....in fact those are the ones I seek. They will be quicker footed, smoother riding, and just as sound as that heavy boned horse...and maybe more so. Bottom line is the size of the bone has absolutely nothing to do with the strength of the bone, bone density and bone size are not synonomous. PS......hi hopin4$.....I've missed you!!!!! Always enjoy learning and this is another great read! Thanks, Herbie! Gosh I missed you too and here I am starting all over. I didn't have any friends who wanted to travel as much as me so I'll get another one ready to run I guess. haha! How have you been??? I've had my heart overflowing with my beautiful granddaughter!! Oh you can't imagine how beautiful she is!! I'll post a pic! She is such a joy and loves watching barrel racing. lol! I have a Panther Mountain out of an Oak Tree Special I'm picking up this weekend! He's sooo cute! He ran his last race last month "Panthers Pop Pop" lol! I've nicknamed him Cooper! Finally a gelding & no mare issues. Meg is doing outstanding running 1D times! She is a pill for the girl warming up but has sure proven herself! What are you riding now? I KNOW it's a good one & will be well trained in your hands.
I have a 3 YO (remember Ricky )that had a couple outs at the track this fall. Total Performance had him in training for us and did an AMAZING job with him.....he was ready to start riding really riding the day he came home and returned with just as many manners as he left with. I was so happy with the job I got from Total Performance.....this colt really isn't currently fashionably bred to run down the race track, but we wanted him to get more forward and have the experience and he did and is a MUCH better horse for it. He's going to be alot of fun I think....he's a mess and can be full of himself and has been that way since he was 6 months old, but in a good way. He's alot of fun!
I still have the Game Patriot mare and had her loping the pattern this summer, but decided she needs to go to LA to raise track babies due to the breeders incentives there. I have another mare that we bought to breed, but I have ridden her too and like her. May breed her, may ride her, may sell her. Haven't decided yet. Ricky is where my focus is right now.
ETA, yay for Meg! I will be looking for her. You did a great job with her and I know she will have continued success!!!!! PM me who bought her so I can keep a lookout for them. :)
And thank you for your vote of confidence in my program. I'm hoping Ricky makes a nice one....i've been waiting on him for 3 years now and enjoyed every second of it....well almost every second. There's been times i've wanted to kill him, but he still makes me smile!
How awesome Total Performance helped put Ricky on the right track for you! Good trainers are so hard to come by! I really do understand how you wanted to instill free and forward motion in Ricky! I think that is why I buy horses that have run on the track! When I watched your videos of the ones you had going under saddle, you put the calm and quiet movement in them and nice slow softness. I admire that so much. I love bringing one down too and am not good at teaching one to fire hard! I need them to know that part already because I'm slow and easy. haha. So happy for you and whether you ride your new mare or not, I agree to concentrate on getting Ricky ready to go this spring! I hope so much Cooper takes to barrels & has a good attitude toward training...and a calm nature...you just never know with the ones you buy off the track, do you? All we can do is teach them that life now is different and filled with more love, caring, and personal interaction than their track experience was. So good to hear from you, Jessi!!!!
Ricky is da bomb. We really enjoyed watching him progress. I think he's gonna make Jessi a very nice barrel horse. |
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| Hopin4$ I sent you a message. I have a question about Panthers Pop Pop. Thanks!! |
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| hopin4$ - 2013-12-03 4:50 PM Curious... not talking height...but say tall or short either one. Wide or slimmer. Also with both having equally good conformation.....
I like "slim-thick" lol. So I guess medium? I just think the "racehorse" long and lean looks more athletic to me, not super lean of course, but not a sh*t brick house either. |
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