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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Over the past year I have given away several decent horses. All sound all broke or green broke to new homes. Only to see every one of them back up for sale less than three months later.
I brooded and stewed over placing these horses in new homes where they would do more than stand around while I was building my place or If I should just keep them and feed them. I screened these homes and checked references etc. They all check out. I thought. They have gotten rid of them because they couldn't afford hay, they didn't have the time to finish one that was green broke, and one somehow became too tall after they got her. I didn't get rid of these horses so they could be passed around. I wanted them to have good homes and to have owner who would love and appreciate them. I guess I just take owning a horse more seriously than a lot of people who just have them when it is convenient for them. The only way you know if they will be taken care of is if you keep them. I'm just feeling disappointed for my horses.
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I own 10. Two in their 30s that just eat and poop my money away, one broodmare that is so severely damaged from the morons who tried to break her, she is unridable. I bred her for one colt, but since that time, she has been a money eater and pooper too. That leaves 7 rideable that I honestly don't have time to ride like I should, but I will never sell. My reasons for hanging on are selfish. I can't let them go and not be certain of their fate. I understand your frustration. |
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| mine tend to stay with me for life. I couldn't stand the thought of one being mistreated and mine have it pretty good so they could easily find themselves in a lot less cozy homes.
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Location: Never in one place long | I take it seriously but am also the type that if a horse doesn't work for me I will sell them if I can find someone who they click with. I always keep track of where the horses are and put in a contract that they must give me first right of refusal. It's sad I can't keep them all but the homes I have found (albiet two) have been amazing and the owners and I have become great friends.... sadly the ONE home I thought would be the best pretty much starved my horse and I TRIED very hard to buy it back and even brought hay over to it which they RETURNED!!!!!!! I am devestated over it... so what I've learned if things can happen and it makes me scared to sell other horses. This was a GOOD friend that I trained, hauled to shows etc for FREE for years, her parents tend to be very tight and always trying to save money... breaks my heart!
When it comes to Dogs/catts I will NEVER part with them.... because they aren't as in demand and are usually free, giving them up puts them in danger in my opinion.... we have NEVER given a dog up... if they have issues we work with them and do what we need to help them adjust!
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Location: Bandera, TX | I have never sold a horse and not planning on it either. They are who they are and I will try to train/ride them to the best of my and their ability. I won't be buying a new horse any time soon, as the 4 I own have me maxed out on space, time and money. They are my children and are treated as such. I love them dearly and they are my world. |
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| Stop giving them away. You're the one putting the value (valueless?) verdict on them right out of the gate. If you must give an animal away, better be prepared to buy it back at a loss to you, or forever hold your peace. It's easy to peddle something you have no money in, but need a return on hay or maintenance. If someone has to put some equity into an animal (or anything, really) it's a lot harder to justify ditching it for a bottom price, or allow it to be abused. JMO. People that have the financial backing to provide good homes for luxury items don't usually check in the free bin. |
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Location: Deep South | equussynergy - 2013-12-05 9:26 AM Over the past year I have given away several decent horses. All sound all broke or green broke to new homes. Only to see every one of them back up for sale less than three months later.
I brooded and stewed over placing these horses in new homes where they would do more than stand around while I was building my place or If I should just keep them and feed them. I screened these homes and checked references etc. They all check out. I thought. They have gotten rid of them because they couldn't afford hay, they didn't have the time to finish one that was green broke, and one somehow became too tall after they got her. I didn't get rid of these horses so they could be passed around. I wanted them to have good homes and to have owner who would love and appreciate them. I guess I just take owning a horse more seriously than a lot of people who just have them when it is convenient for them. The only way you know if they will be taken care of is if you keep them. I'm just feeling disappointed for my horses.
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Location: Kansas | I guess I'm going to be the odd man out.......If that horse and I don't get along, I don't want it sitting in my pasture....especially when someone else could make something of that horse. |
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Location: Never in one place long | classicpotatochip - 2013-12-05 10:05 AM
Stop giving them away. You're the one putting the value (valueless?) verdict on them right out of the gate. If you must give an animal away, better be prepared to buy it back at a loss to you, or forever hold your peace. It's easy to peddle something you have no money in, but need a return on hay or maintenance. If someone has to put some equity into an animal (or anything, really) it's a lot harder to justify ditching it for a bottom price, or allow it to be abused. JMO. People that have the financial backing to provide good homes for luxury items don't usually check in the free bin.
I agree,  it seems to always be the lower priced horses who go to the worst homees... when people have to pay $10,000+ for a horse, you'd hope they'd take good care of their investment vs a couple thousand dollar one..... |
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | sophiebelle - 2013-12-05 9:40 AM I own 10. Two in their 30s that just eat and poop my money away, one broodmare that is so severely damaged from the morons who tried to break her, she is unridable. I bred her for one colt, but since that time, she has been a money eater and pooper too. That leaves 7 rideable that I honestly don't have time to ride like I should, but I will never sell. My reasons for hanging on are selfish. I can't let them go and not be certain of their fate. I understand your frustration.
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| I just gave away a mare last night. Actually I gifted her to a young lady. Its been a really really really hard decision but I feel like I made the right one. I raised the mare from birth and she will be 5 in a few months. I DID not enjoy riding her and she has just been standing in my pasture. I asked my husband if he would ride her. He said no. I tried to sell the mare to the people but they couldn't put out the money right now for a purchase price. Tuesday night it hit me that I really didn't want the mare anymore. I don't want to ride her and I hate seeing one standing around. So I texted her parents and asked if I could give her the horse for Christmas.
When she realized I GAVE her Diva she could not stop crying. It was a complete surprise. I wont lie, I cried. But it was happy tears. She will love the horse, use the horse and more importantly take care of the horse.
I could not have picked a better home. They take such good care of their animals and the young lady does her part. Shes a freshman with straight A's, has hopes of going to vet school. She has earned it. I pray this mare will help her further her riding and keep her away from boys and out of trouble. I see myself in her and I was blessed with some amazing people that helped me so much when I was her age. This is my way of paying it forward. |
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| RLB - 2013-12-05 10:13 AM
sophiebelle - 2013-12-05 9:40 AM I own 10. Two in their 30s that just eat and poop my money away, one broodmare that is so severely damaged from the morons who tried to break her, she is unridable. I bred her for one colt, but since that time, she has been a money eater and pooper too. That leaves 7 rideable that I honestly don't have time to ride like I should, but I will never sell. My reasons for hanging on are selfish. I can't let them go and not be certain of their fate. I understand your frustration.
Wow...I thought I was the only one who had that many standing around for different reasons. Glad to know I'm not the only one!
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Location: ND | Stop giving them away. If a horse isn't working for you for one reason or another SELL them. You get something out of them that way AND the new owner is going to take owning them a lot more serious if they've got something invested even if it's only a few hundred. Not all people truly appreciate being given an animal, regardless of if they think they wanted it.....when they have nothing into them it's easy to decide to make a few $ on them & walk away.
I take owning my horses very serious. If I didn't I wouldn't have just been outside in -40 windchills bedding stalls, feeding, thawing out water & making sure all 14 of them are warm & content. But if a horse doesn't work for me I WILL sell them. They are not guaranteed a home for life here until they earn it. They don't have to be a world beater to get to stay but they have to be honest, hard working & willing to do anything I ask from ranch work & ponying colts, to horse shows & mounted shooting. Right now there are 3 with guaranteed homes, all are 20+ & will be burried here. |
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| SaraJean - 2013-12-05 10:27 AM
Stop giving them away. If a horse isn't working for you for one reason or another SELL them. You get something out of them that way AND the new owner is going to take owning them a lot more serious if they've got something invested even if it's only a few hundred. Not all people truly appreciate being given an animal, regardless of if they think they wanted it.....when they have nothing into them it's easy to decide to make a few $ on them & walk away.
I take owning my horses very serious. If I didn't I wouldn't have just been outside in -40 windchills bedding stalls, feeding, thawing out water & making sure all 14 of them are warm & content. But if a horse doesn't work for me I WILL sell them. They are not guaranteed a home for life here until they earn it. They don't have to be a world beater to get to stay but they have to be honest, hard working & willing to do anything I ask from ranch work & ponying colts, to horse shows & mounted shooting. Right now there are 3 with guaranteed homes, all are 20+ & will be burried here.
Amen. We see them exactly the same. I have a couple of lifers myself, and sell horses all the time that don't work out. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have a few that eat and poop my money out too  they are my retired horses that I could never part with. I'm lucky that I have pasture to turn them out on behind my house. The horses that I have now are here to stay for life. I did give one away a few years ago, she went to a neighbor down the road. And two were giving to me that I would never sell, they have a home for life with me here. One is a bang up barrel horse that got sore and needed lots of R&R so hes getting it.  |
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Location: Minnesota | I was given a horse by a BB and I tell you what, this horse gets better care than I do AND I've never rode her. She's not sound for riding and needs special care but I knew this going in and she's been a great addition to my herd. Not every person who takes a free horse will try and resell them or lose interest in them. Its people that do that that give all people who take free horses a bad name. Are their a ton of people who do that yes but there are people who will genuinely care for a free horse. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I know from now on I will not give away any horses, or sell them low (one was sold low) from now on. No matter what the people promise. You can't take anyone at their word. I thought I was doing better for the horses giving them to people who truely wanted and cared for them. If I am in the position in the future I honestly plan on putting them down, I just thought that would be a waste of a good horse if someone could use and enjoy them. I guess the part that bugs me is they are getting rid of them so soon and that I picked these people over others who may have really given the horses a good home. I guess I should just take peace that one is still with the gal who got her. She sent her off to be finished as soon as she got her home and now she has a good cow pony and loves her to bits.
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| SaraJean made a good point --- my seriousness about my horses is in direct relation to the temperatures at which I care for them! LOL
-25 for me this am. B-R-U-T-A-L but it warms my heart to see them munching away on hay covered in white shavings from sleeping.
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Location: MI | I agree with SaraJean. I had an awesome mare who would do anything coming out of college, but she started to get some arthritis in her hind - manageable, but not for barrels, and I wanted to barrel race more than anything. I didn't have money for 2, so I sold her.
I also agree that if people don't pay for it, they haven't "bought in", literally, and are more likely to throw it away. See it all the time with high dollar medical equipment.
That being said, I am MUCH more careful now than I was before about bringing home strays and animal purchases. I try to make sure that the animal is going to work with my family, so we don't get into the situation of trying to figure out what to do with them. |
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| I wonder if your mistake was thinking they TRULY wanted the horse. Most of the people who ask, ask, ask for a horse to be given to them have no idea what it really takes to care for a horse. So they sell them when they realize it's not all riding in guazy white material crashing through the waves on the beach.
The horse I was given was a complete suprise on my part. A friend listed 3 horses for sale, and only wanted to sell one. I inquired about the one horse I had known and liked, just to be curious. Up front I told her I was basically being nosy about the horse, I had no money. She emailed me and said that they were more interested in finding him a home that would use him than making money off of him and wanted to know if I wanted him. I spoke with my hubby and parents and they said it was OK. SO home he came and he'll stay there. The only stipulation was they get him back if I wanted to sell him. He's not going anywhere!
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I thought I had vetted these homes pretty well but I was wrong. Then on top of that one person is using my pictures to sell mare and no I didn't give them permission to use them.
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| We gave a nice registered Qh to an orphanage. They gave him back! He chased their cows!. We gave him away a second time. The people said he chased them out of the round pen after they got after him with a buggy whip. They gave him back! We sent him to the local bimonthly horse sale and said mail us the check! |
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| I don't see how being serious about owning a horse depends on not selling it or the price. I am a good horseowner and my horses never go without. However I'll occasionally buy and sell a few, and pretty much all of mine are for sale for a price. Someone else mentioned how one takes care of a 10k horse versus a 2k horse. Again, I don't see how this is comparable. Those who are good horse owners are going to take care of their horses regardless of what they cost or their worth, albeit some may get pampered a lot more. Lol. I've never bought a $10,000 horse and I probably never will, but my horses are more cared for than a lot of others I've seen that cost a lot more. |
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Location: Kansas | DLV - 2013-12-05 10:13 AM classicpotatochip - 2013-12-05 10:05 AM Stop giving them away. You're the one putting the value (valueless?) verdict on them right out of the gate. If you must give an animal away, better be prepared to buy it back at a loss to you, or forever hold your peace. It's easy to peddle something you have no money in, but need a return on hay or maintenance. If someone has to put some equity into an animal (or anything, really) it's a lot harder to justify ditching it for a bottom price, or allow it to be abused. JMO. People that have the financial backing to provide good homes for luxury items don't usually check in the free bin. I agree, it seems to always be the lower priced horses who go to the worst homees... when people have to pay $10,000+ for a horse, you'd hope they'd take good care of their investment vs a couple thousand dollar one.....
That is so true. I sold a young horse last fall that wasn't going to make a barrel horse and while he was given to me, I priced him higher than anyone thought I should. Well guess what - I weeded out the people who didn't know how to take care of a horse and the people who wouldn't spend what was needed to care for the horse. When a girl tried him and fell in love, I negotiated on the price until she got a great horse at a very reasonable price and I still got a nice chunk of "profit" (not counting my time in breaking and training him, the feed & hay he ate or the doctor bills when I broke my leg stepping off him at a trot LOL). She took great care of him and now that she's ready for a barrel horse again, he's for sale at guess what, a price a little above what she paid for him. I'm not offended - I'm glad he did his job for her and is ready to go on and build someone else's confidence or teach a little kid how to ride. |
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Location: Phoenix | I take it pretty serious. I grew up with horses so never having a horse has never happened. Even now that I live in San Diego, I still send money up for teeth floating, shoes and Adequan. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | People not valuing something because they got it for free isn't the OP fault in my opinion just like I dont' love my 9 year old mare more because we paid more for her than we did the 12 year old gelding. If you have to pay a lot of money for something to value it that is your shortcoming not her's.
That being said do not own more than you can take care of yourself either, if you can only afford to feed 1 than only own 1. I can't remember the last time I bought new shoes for myself, just like most of you, the horses shoes come first. Hay comes before another jacket, horse blankets come before being ticked off and quitting my job and feeding them comes before "I feel like crap and dont' want to get out of bed..."Again, not because I paid a lot of money for any of them, you all laugh if you knew that my heart and soul's were purchased for less than $5000 total for 3 of them. But they truly are why I put my feet on the ground in the morning most mornings...It isn't about a price tag. |
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| I think you need to ask yourself what you consider a good horse owner, as yes you did your homework on the people, but you are the one who decided to give your horses away like a handme down.
I have sold a few and keep in contact with all but one, I have tried to get ahold of the individual but they don't return my calls.
When I sell I do ask for first buy back on the horses
I have one mare that I don't use and didn't want to sell so I have a deal made with a breeder. When the breeder is done, she comes home, then I can decide what to so from there. This is this mares second free lease home so far it is working out.
If the new owners could not afford to feed the horse, I hope they would contact me and sell the horse either back to me or to someone who can. I think this is a responsible horse owner as they are doing what is best for the horse
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | This is why I rarely sell horses. They are with me for life. Shoot, I kicked around the idea of putting Grasshopper and maybe another horse out on a pasture close by just so we could move some horses. My hubby said absolutely not it wasn't worth it because I would spend more time every day driving back and forth than it was to get him somewhere else. And he is right. Shoot, I need a 4 horse trailer instead of a 3 horse trailer because his big butt has to go with us everywhere!
Unless you are someone who turns horses regularly-between training and buying/selling horses-I doubt anyone is truly happy about the selling process. And I have to make myself not think about what if or where they are at (though I haven't sold a horse in about 4 years).
On a different note, I also think the level of care is never good enough in anyone's eyes. BUT, if the horse is healthy and being taken care of-and that means just on pasture with water too-then that is all that matters.
Would anyone else be crazy enough to spend as much money as I did on Grasshopper just so he could sit around and be a very big PITA to me? No nor would I expect it. Would I expect anyone to do half the stuff I do for my horses? No again. But as long as I know I could come out on any given day, not see ribs, not see them standing in anything horrid, and they had plenty to eat and drink, I am calling it a good day. |
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| classicpotatochip - 2013-12-06 8:05 AM
Stop giving them away. You're the one putting the value (valueless?) verdict on them right out of the gate. If you must give an animal away, better be prepared to buy it back at a loss to you, or forever hold your peace. It's easy to peddle something you have no money in, but need a return on hay or maintenance. If someone has to put some equity into an animal (or anything, really) it's a lot harder to justify ditching it for a bottom price, or allow it to be abused. JMO. People that have the financial backing to provide good homes for luxury items don't usually check in the free bin.
I agree, I think if you were to put a price on the them you might an owner who takes owning them a little more seriously. I would go out on a limb and say they probably have to time to ride them and money to take care of them if they are paying money for them. When you PAY for something you consider the decision a little more, JMO. |
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Location: North Dakota | I only have the room and money for two horses, maybe 3 max. So if I have a horse that can't do what I want it to do, I am going to rehome them by selling them (not giving away, for the reasons pointed out above). If I had endless space and money, then sure, I'd keep them all. I get attached and I baby them and take care of them. But I just don't own my own place (boarding now) and I can only afford so many horses at a time.
I am very strongly thinking about selling my horse Red next year *if* he cannot stay sound to run barrels. I'm going to give him all of 2014 to see how it goes. I want to run barrels. It's not his fault if his body can't hold up to it. But if he can't do that for me, then I'll sell him to someone who just wants to trail ride or do much less joint-stressful things. He's a great horse and I love him to death, but if he can't do it, I've got to move on. |
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| Faith was given to me by KMC Sunshine and I love her dearly. She has almost the same personality and disposition as the mare I lost just before Faith was born. Apparently there are some on here that think that I was taken advantage of...and that might include KMC's hubby. But I took her on with open eyes. I wanted to get my hands on her while she was young enough to have hopes of straightening out her issues. Something I , who have now 5 horses, can contemplate doing, instead of the many horses, cows, goats and sheep that KMC was trying to care for during drought and a shrinking ranch.
Because she was "free" it was easier to put the money into regular chiropractic visits, shockwave and extra attention from my blacksmith. And all of that has her sound enough to start breaking soon. My hope for her was to get her sound enough for "someone" to consider feeding her should the day come that I can't. And now the vets tell me that I may be able to try barrel racing her someday! All of this being said, I have permission from the get go to place or sell her should the situation arise. I fought so hard to save my mare and so many BB's were losing horses, that I just felt that somebody needed to win. I thought it could be Faith, little did I know that it would be me!
So not everyone who receives a freebie does not consider it valueless. Then again, I have a really hard time selling any horse I like for fear that it will not get the care it deserves. That is why we have 10 of them buried on our place, 8 from old age, one from colic and my beloved Fly from a ruptured aneurysm.
I cannot even begin to imagine giving away a dog or cat that I have taken responsibility for. I'd sooner give away a child! I guess that why I never had kids...
I make it a point not to take on more critters than I can take GOOD care of and pray that circumstances don't take that ability to care for them away from me.
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Location: College Station, TX | countrygirl2006 - 2013-12-05 11:56 AM
I don't see how being serious about owning a horse depends on not selling it or the price. I am a good horseowner and my horses never go without. However I'll occasionally buy and sell a few, and pretty much all of mine are for sale for a price. Someone else mentioned how one takes care of a 10k horse versus a 2k horse. Again, I don't see how this is comparable. Those who are good horse owners are going to take care of their horses regardless of what they cost or their worth, albeit some may get pampered a lot more. Lol. I've never bought a $10,000 horse and I probably never will, but my horses are more cared for than a lot of others I've seen that cost a lot more.
This. I've never bought a 10k horse, and won't have the money to any time in the near future, but does that mean one I paid 2k for gets less care than that one would? No. They would be standing in the same pasture, same barn, and getting the same quality care/feed. The price I pay doesn't make me a serious or not serious horse owner, it means I need to get serious about looking for a better job so I can spend that much one day!
I also don't think selling them makes me less serious. I want to do well on my horses, so if we don't click after plenty of time trying (usually 3 or 4 years) they're gone. They have not earned a forever home, so hopefully they will with the next person. If I want to be serious about my horses/riding that does not allow for me to keep ones around that do not pull their weight. Just taking up space and eating feed does me or the horse no good if it can't be put to use for it's intended purpose. Now I'm not saying I don't have keepers, I have a mare I have owned for 21 years that will never go anywhere, but she earned it. At this point everything else is for sale for the right price, and until I feel about one like I do her it will stay that way. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I could have kept and fed all the horses I gave away. I just thought it was a waste to let them sit and rot in my field when someone could use them and love them. I vetted the homes, did my best to make sure they could afford them. I guess if someone values an animal less because it was free it reflects on the type of character they are. If they had been honest and said I want the horse, want to put the time on them and resell them to a good home, I may have still let them have them for free. But the dishonesty bugs me. I've bought back my first home raised horse and I am thankful I did. If I could afford it I would have bought back the others but I just don't have tons of extra cash laying around and buying them back would seriously impact my budget. I guess I wonder why I fret over these horses who don't suite me, or don't fit my program (it has changed over the years) . Even if I don't like them I still want them to have a good home, while others just pass them on like nothing at all and never bat an eye or seem to care where they end up. My first horse was free and he changed my life. I guess for other people it isn't a big deal. I am happy to hear that sometimes it does work for the best. |
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Location: OKLAHOMA | I have only read a few of the replies... But i am a sucker, I have had pasture ornaments and do a couple now. I will always take in a SR that has proven its self, seems like lots of people just throw them away when they are done with them. Hard to believe I was raised by a true Horse Trader, thats how we ate and lived very comfortably. I do NOT sell well. So they seem to stay here forever, I bury everybody under the shade tree. Sorry those people did not turn out the way you wished. Prayers those ponies ended up with good homes. Ya know I have 2 that are gifts to me from very dear friends, and I know I will never be able to part with them.. |
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How serious do you take owning a horse