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Location: Texas | Most of the young ones I have ridden have been off the track. I would take a BARN FULL of Stolis if they were like my mare was. She had 3 outs on the track as a 2 year old and then turned out. i got her when she turned 5 but i don't think she had much riding done. she is SUPER light. honestly had I not bought her specifically to breed her to first down french, with the breeding already paid for, I would have put her on the pattern and competed on her. She's so smart.
I then have started a shazoom out of a streakin la jolla daughter. she had 9 outs on the track and i got her as a 3 year old. she felt more like an OTT horse than the Stoli, probably because she ran for 2 years and raced more times. honestly it only took 3 weeks to get most of the "track" out of her. she still has her moments and isn't quite as light as i think she could be if she werent raced.. but she was super easy to put on the barrels. I got her July of her 3 YO year, by April of her 4YO year I was entering her.. she was top of 2D at the end of her 4YO year and was running top of 2D- 3 tenths off her 5YO year until we found an OCD in her stifle. I am going to get back on her this week I believe. I have not heard the same about other Shazooms so I wouldn't just jump to get another. I've been told she is more of the exception than the rule about them. I sure love her though.
The next baby I have right now is a Rock Solid Jess X First Down Dash daughter. She is 2 years old and we bought her in November. I've been in school so I have only ridden her a couple times, but she is amazing. whoever broke her broke her well. she is very green but she learns FAST. Not to mention she is in your pocket and just calm natured. she was in racing training but I don't think they did much with her.
A few of my friends have dinero babies…based on their experiences and what I've seen I am not sure I want one. They keep joking that they will have a good horse when it's 8, or 14.. LOL. When I watch stingray it sure makes me want one, but I think I would have to breed a very special, EARLY maturing mare to him.
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Location: Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2013-12-06 7:53 AM
What bloodlines have the most ability, sounds mind, conformation...ect. I want to breed my mare next year so I'm doing my homework. My biggest concern is healthy conformation and sound, easy going mind & heart. Those are much more important to me that ability/talent... Yada yada
As far a babies go- I bred my Stoli mare to first down french and so far- I love him. he has excellent conformation so far. he is only a weanling but I think he will stay balanced. He is sweet, calm, and everything from halter breaking to leading to loading in a trailer, trimming feet, has been a breeze.
I have a confederate leader filly who is also a weanling. halter breaking her was more stressful than the colt- she didn't want much to do with it. she still gives you a wild eye if you go to put a halter on her but is a friendly filly. she leads better than the colt and picked that up faster than he did. she had check ligament surgery and was an angel for all the bandage changes, feet trimmings, etc… my vet said she was the best behaved foal he's had to mess with. my farrier trims her by himself and i think just has her stand loose (well he trims the colt by himself too). Her temperament I think is going to be hotter than the colt. she is a gritty baby and i think it will carry over when she's older.
for 2014 we have a first down french and a firewater ta fame due. I cannot WAIT for those! I would highly consider either stallion for what you are wanting to do. |
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| Two of my absolute favorites for everything you listed are Firewater Finale and Mighty Mind Bender. In the last 2.5 years I've had 5 colts out of Firewater Finale (yeah I have a "thing" for them  ) and ALL of them have had phenominal minds and want to please. Very user friendly with PLENTY of speed and athletic ability.
My first experience with MMB is my 3 yr old filly. She is just flat awesome in mind, body and ability. I would literally buy a whole trailer full of them *if* I could find them. This past summer I took her to a horsemanship clinic where I entered her in the basic class. Clinician was so impressed with her he suggested I take her to the advanced class also. She's soooo fun to ride. |
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| casualdust07 - 2013-12-06 9:40 AM Most of the young ones I have ridden have been off the track. I would take a BARN FULL of Stolis if they were like my mare was. She had 3 outs on the track as a 2 year old and then turned out. i got her when she turned 5 but i don't think she had much riding done. she is SUPER light. honestly had I not bought her specifically to breed her to first down french, with the breeding already paid for, I would have put her on the pattern and competed on her. She's so smart. I then have started a shazoom out of a streakin la jolla daughter. she had 9 outs on the track and i got her as a 3 year old. she felt more like an OTT horse than the Stoli, probably because she ran for 2 years and raced more times. honestly it only took 3 weeks to get most of the "track" out of her. she still has her moments and isn't quite as light as i think she could be if she werent raced.. but she was super easy to put on the barrels. I got her July of her 3 YO year, by April of her 4YO year I was entering her.. she was top of 2D at the end of her 4YO year and was running top of 2D- 3 tenths off her 5YO year until we found an OCD in her stifle. I am going to get back on her this week I believe. I have not heard the same about other Shazooms so I wouldn't just jump to get another. I've been told she is more of the exception than the rule about them. I sure love her though. The next baby I have right now is a Rock Solid Jess X First Down Dash daughter. She is 2 years old and we bought her in November. I've been in school so I have only ridden her a couple times, but she is amazing. whoever broke her broke her well. she is very green but she learns FAST. Not to mention she is in your pocket and just calm natured. she was in racing training but I don't think they did much with her. A few of my friends have dinero babies…based on their experiences and what I've seen I am not sure I want one. They keep joking that they will have a good horse when it's 8, or 14.. LOL. When I watch stingray it sure makes me want one, but I think I would have to breed a very special, EARLY maturing mare to him.
Yup. I had a Dinero filly. She was gorgeous, built thick and had a great, quiet mind but she was in no hurry to get anywhere. Extremely laid back to the point of lazy. She had talent but also had a lot of maturing to do yet. |
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Location: Montana | RoaniePonie11 - 2013-12-06 6:53 AM
What bloodlines have the most ability, sounds mind, conformation...ect. I want to breed my mare next year so I'm doing my homework. My biggest concern is healthy conformation and sound, easy going mind & heart. Those are much more important to me that ability/talent... Yada yada
More information about your mare would really help. While open ended questions can bring out an interesting variety of information generally, on here it sometimes just brings out the "list my friends' horses" syndrome.
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| ausranch - 2013-12-07 8:41 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2013-12-06 6:53 AM
What bloodlines have the most ability, sounds mind, conformation...ect. I want to breed my mare next year so I'm doing my homework. My biggest concern is healthy conformation and sound, easy going mind & heart. Those are much more important to me that ability/talent... Yada yada
More information about your mare would really help. While open ended questions can bring out an interesting variety of information generally, on here it sometimes just brings out the "list my friends' horses" syndrome.
Have to say I admire your priorities though. I wish more breeders had them!
Ok a little more about my mare:
Conformation:
-15.1 hh tall
-big head
-only conformation flaw is she toes out a little on the back end and is prone to having mid-high withers
-she has a balanced body (front end-hind end)
-good feet, thick bones
-short back
-sorrel w/ big blaze & rear socks
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-best minded horse I have ever had or seen in my life
-the older she has gotten (09') the "snappier" she has gotten in her movements under saddle.
-matured very fast naturally
-was a dream to train. I only have to reward her once for doing something right and she has it
Papers:
TOP- goes back to Peponita & Bediuno
BOTTOM- goes back to Doc O Lena & Go Man Go
(just to clarify because it may or may not come up- I don't care if anyone does or does not like her papers)
Thank you everyone!!!
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| A friend of mine owns a double bred Leo stallion and I have one of his babies and will be buying a barn full more. Best minded mare I have ever rode and a ton of athletic ability and more try than you can imagine and she is only 7. This stallion has a big performance record of his own in the reining, pole and barrel arena and his get are racking up big performance records to match his own. www.flatenranch.com - slide by leo.... I also have a Driver baby (Diamond's Perscription) on the ground this year and everyone that sees him says the exact same thing "WOW" comes out of their mouth followed up with a ton of questions on his breeding and his daddy. My Leo mare is just so very quiet and so very sane. Handles anything and everything I throw at her with a maturity unrivaled by any OTT horse I have owned. Happy Shopping. |
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Location: Montana | Ha! You made me laugh with your comment about not caring if someone doesn't like her papers! I figure no really good horse has bad papers (might not have famous papers) but lots of bad horses have good papers. That's just the nature of the breeding game.
I like that Leo stud - he's good looking.
Just based on my preference, I would avoid doubling up that Beduino in the pedigree. Clearly, it's working for her but I wouldn't go get any more of that.
The next thing is to decide if you want all run or not. If you are raising the colt to sell, I'd say yes on that. If you are raising it for yourself, then it's a matter of your preference. |
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Location: WYOMING | Love the mind Mr TT Pacific puts on one... pluse they are gorgeous, willing people horses.
I am also loving the laid back confident nature of my Perks Alive filly. She is mature as a 2 yr old and loves to please.
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Location: Wyoming | Check out Lions Share Of Fame. His babies are very very nice and he stamps them. I have had my eye on him for a long time, I bred a mare to him the first year he stood but the baby died. I'm most likely going to try and buy a 5 year old out of him eventually because I'm tired of waiting for babies to grow up and must have one!!
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| I like the Mr TT Pacific horses, I really like the looks of Triple Vodka, Honors Abounding is who I'm crossing my cowbred mare on. I love the DFP and FG horses. Perks firewater flit is nice, Guys Easy Jet, First Down French and I know I am forgetting a few. I really like my Blazin Jetolena to but may not be the best cross with yours being alot of cow.
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Location: Somewhere playing in the mud....Oklahoma | Very tickled that 3 people recommended Mr TT Pacific! So excited to see 2 of his babies work next week at the BFA...out of 2 differently bred mares. His offspring want to please!
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I liked the sound of the Leo horse but I'm just not sure about breeding to a paint stud. Wouldn't that make the colt have paint papers?
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Location: Jasper, Tx | Frostburns! he throws some really nice trainable babies!! I have rode/broke 3 and they are easy to train! My colt you can not ride him for months and come back and he is right where we left off, no re training! Good minds! Love them! If you like Leo look at his pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/frostburns
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Frostburns! he throws some really nice trainable babies!! I have rode/broke 3 and they are easy to train! My colt you can not ride him for months and come back and he is right where we left off, no re training! Good minds! Love them! If you like Leo look at his pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/frostburns
I really like what I'm seeing on Frostburns. Does anyone have other input on him?
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Location: WYOMING | Smashedonpepper - 2013-12-07 2:03 PM Very tickled that 3 people recommended Mr TT Pacific! So excited to see 2 of his babies work next week at the BFA...out of 2 differently bred mares. His offspring want to please!
Here is my coming 2 yr old from this past week...
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| Thing same thing my mare is 15.0hands and of a mare goes back to lady bug moon, by panama edition, want good temperment, trainabilty, on ground disposition, and speed, everything you would want if youmwhere buying a horse, plus marketabilty. And of course want to breed to better my mare. My mare is a thick built tanky mare and a free runner, her only fault is she does get a little up at the gate, but does work once running, nothing crazy just a little over ready. Have a weanling by a son of corona cartel. Just want a horse that has some marketability this is too sell, first one i will keep also wanted to,see what see would throw. My baby is a carbon copy of her with a super disposition. |
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| I rode a bunch of colts out of a grandson of Streaking Six. I actually own one. They seemed to have a sound mind. Haven't seen any blown up or refusing the arena. Although, I noticed alot of them had a tendencies to have strange quirks, like spooking, ect.
A line I LOVE is Moon Lark bred horses.
Another really nice line is Dr. Nick Bar. There is a stud around here that turns out awesome horses.
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Location: Texas | my wish list of colts I want by:
Blazin Jetolena
A Streak of Fling
Firewaterontherocks
Frenchmans Guy
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Location: The Great West | I'm riding some Runnaway Winner grand babies now and the are athletic and so in your pocket and kind, ive done a little mounted shooting on one of them and he was fine, but a little qwerky about the weirdest things.
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Location: Oklahoma | I am a huge fan of Jet of Honor....I'd never owned one until my current horse, but after riding and owning one, I know why so many have made it to the NFR. OregonBR has a really nice Jet of Honor bred stallion that I would love to get a gelding by, but so far have not been able to afford the ones I've found. ;) Anything Flit Bar has my vote as well, but they tend to be a little more fragile minded than the JOH's...but sounds like they would cross well with your mare. On the Money Reds are very honest and usually have lots of speed, but tend to be slower maturing than the first two. I have REALLY liked the Red's Western Natives I've had...I think he is an undiscovered secret. Everyone of them I had were natural barrel horses and very consistent and honest. Of course, I like the Dash Ta Fames, there's no need to tell anything about them; they've proved their worth in the arena. I also like Bully Bullion (although they can sometimes be hard headed), Easily Smashed (sometimes hot tempered), and anything with Easy Six (Streakin Six, Packin Sixes, Six Fols, Martha Six Moons, etc.). I do NOT like anything with Beduino or Zevi anywhere in the pedigree, or Hancock. Not saying there's not good horses out there bred like that because there are, but they just don't fit with my program. I like easy, ride once a week, natural barrel horses, and the ones I like are like that. Ooopps....sorry...just read your post about your mare's bloodlines...wasn't dissing your mare....if you like her, then GREAT....I just don't like those bloodlines for ME. I was surprised to hear you say she was free running....with Peponita and Doc O Lena, I'm surprised. Most of the ones I've seen bred like that are S.E.T.T.Y!!! LOL I figure it's the racehorse bloodlines in her. After reading that, you might be better to go with a Flit Bar bred or Dinky's Red Man bred stud. JMO
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Location: Texas | dianeguinn - 2013-12-07 9:23 PM I am a huge fan of Jet of Honor....I'd never owned one until my current horse, but after riding and owning one, I know why so many have made it to the NFR. OregonBR has a really nice Jet of Honor bred stallion that I would love to get a gelding by, but so far have not been able to afford the ones I've found. ;) Anything Flit Bar has my vote as well, but they tend to be a little more fragile minded than the JOH's...but sounds like they would cross well with your mare. On the Money Reds are very honest and usually have lots of speed, but tend to be slower maturing than the first two. I have REALLY liked the Red's Western Natives I've had...I think he is an undiscovered secret. Everyone of them I had were natural barrel horses and very consistent and honest. Of course, I like the Dash Ta Fames, there's no need to tell anything about them; they've proved their worth in the arena. I also like Bully Bullion (although they can sometimes be hard headed), Easily Smashed (sometimes hot tempered), and anything with Easy Six (Streakin Six, Packin Sixes, Six Fols, Martha Six Moons, etc.). I do NOT like anything with Beduino or Zevi anywhere in the pedigree, or Hancock. Not saying there's not good horses out there bred like that because there are, but they just don't fit with my program. I like easy, ride once a week, natural barrel horses, and the ones I like are like that. Ooopps....sorry...just read your post about your mare's bloodlines...wasn't dissing your mare....if you like her, then GREAT....I just don't like those bloodlines for ME. I was surprised to hear you say she was free running....with Peponita and Doc O Lena, I'm surprised. Most of the ones I've seen bred like that are S.E.T.T.Y!!! LOL I figure it's the racehorse bloodlines in her. After reading that, you might be better to go with a Flit Bar bred or Dinky's Red Man bred stud. JMO
DG you would like this horse if it weren't a mare! I know you are a gelding person. She's pretty awesome. Qualified for the AQHA youth world show this year
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| casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 8:56 PM my wish list of colts I want by: Blazin Jetolena A Streak of Fling Firewaterontherocks Frenchmans Guy and I would love a jet black patriot or a valiant hero!
I have a 5 yr old mare by ASOF and she is anything but quiet, laid back or user friendly...the things the OP was looking for. Mine is chock full of talent and try but she is waaayyyy over reactive to everything and is really watchy. In the wrong hands she could be a nightmare, in the right hands she could be amazing. Only been working with her a few weeks so we'll see what kind of "hands" I have. 
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Location: Texas | roanrider - 2013-12-07 10:19 PM casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 8:56 PM my wish list of colts I want by: Blazin Jetolena A Streak of Fling Firewaterontherocks Frenchmans Guy and I would love a jet black patriot or a valiant hero! I have a 5 yr old mare by ASOF and she is anything but quiet, laid back or user friendly...the things the OP was looking for. Mine is chock full of talent and try but she is waaayyyy over reactive to everything and is really watchy. In the wrong hands she could be a nightmare, in the right hands she could be amazing. Only been working with her a few weeks so we'll see what kind of "hands" I have. No I'm saying all ASOF's are like this - I don't know - this is my first and I've heard others say the same about their own. I'm not saying they aren't talented but so far mine is NOT user-friendly.
I would still like to try one. On page one I answered her questions more specifically... I've seen quite a few that I have liked in person. I wouldn't breed just any mare to him but I have one or two that I think he would cross really well on.
I've seen 5 I think from my trainer. One of her clients buys at almost every sale. The first one they bought is super nice, she is out of a FG daughter. I remember she had a little personality to her, they called her a diva. I would ride her any day. They had one gelding they bought at the sale but he wasn't from the fulton ranch- they said he had some attitude but has come around nicely. The third one they have has been a total dream. The fourth one they had was out of a cutting bred mare and my trainer bought him from her. She ended up buying a finished ASOF too to high school rodeo on.
So from what I know from those 5 there seems to be some that are super user friendly and then some with some attitude.
My confederate leader weanling is going to be hot IMO. I can see it now from how she acts with everything else. My first down french colt is so chilled out all the time.
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casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 8:56 PM my wish list of colts I want by: Blazin Jetolena A Streak of Fling Firewaterontherocks Frenchmans Guy and I would love a jet black patriot or a valiant hero!
I have a 5 yr old mare by ASOF and she is anything but quiet, laid back or user friendly...the things the OP was looking for. Mine is chock full of talent and try but she is waaayyyy over reactive to everything and is really watchy. In the wrong hands she could be a nightmare, in the right hands she could be amazing. Only been working with her a few weeks so we'll see what kind of "hands" I have.
No I'm saying all ASOF's are like this - I don't know - this is my first and I've heard others say the same about their own. I'm not saying they aren't talented but so far mine is NOT user-friendly.
I would still like to try one. On page one I answered her questions more specifically... I've seen quite a few that I have liked in person. I wouldn't breed just any mare to him but I have one or two that I think he would cross really well on.
I've seen 5 I think from my trainer. One of her clients buys at almost every sale. The first one they bought is super nice, she is out of a FG daughter. I remember she had a little personality to her, they called her a diva. I would ride her any day. They had one gelding they bought at the sale but he wasn't from the fulton ranch- they said he had some attitude but has come around nicely. The third one they have has been a total dream. The fourth one they had was out of a cutting bred mare and my trainer bought him from her. She ended up buying a finished ASOF too to high school rodeo on.
So from what I know from those 5 there seems to be some that are super user friendly and then some with some attitude.
My confederate leader weanling is going to be hot IMO. I can see it now from how she acts with everything else. My first down french colt is so chilled out all the time.
...and what was your trainers phone number?!?
I'm hoping my mare will turn the corner soon and realize we don't eat horse's at our house...cause right now that's how she acts. She's scared of anything that moves, and if it doesn't she's scared cause it *might* move. |
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Location: Texas | roanrider - 2013-12-07 10:41 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 11:27 PM roanrider - 2013-12-07 10:19 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 8:56 PM my wish list of colts I want by: Blazin Jetolena A Streak of Fling Firewaterontherocks Frenchmans Guy and I would love a jet black patriot or a valiant hero!
I have a 5 yr old mare by ASOF and she is anything but quiet, laid back or user friendly...the things the OP was looking for. Mine is chock full of talent and try but she is waaayyyy over reactive to everything and is really watchy. In the wrong hands she could be a nightmare, in the right hands she could be amazing. Only been working with her a few weeks so we'll see what kind of "hands" I have.
No I'm saying all ASOF's are like this - I don't know - this is my first and I've heard others say the same about their own. I'm not saying they aren't talented but so far mine is NOT user-friendly.
I would still like to try one. On page one I answered her questions more specifically... I've seen quite a few that I have liked in person. I wouldn't breed just any mare to him but I have one or two that I think he would cross really well on.
I've seen 5 I think from my trainer. One of her clients buys at almost every sale. The first one they bought is super nice, she is out of a FG daughter. I remember she had a little personality to her, they called her a diva. I would ride her any day. They had one gelding they bought at the sale but he wasn't from the fulton ranch- they said he had some attitude but has come around nicely. The third one they have has been a total dream. The fourth one they had was out of a cutting bred mare and my trainer bought him from her. She ended up buying a finished ASOF too to high school rodeo on.
So from what I know from those 5 there seems to be some that are super user friendly and then some with some attitude.
My confederate leader weanling is going to be hot IMO. I can see it now from how she acts with everything else. My first down french colt is so chilled out all the time.
oh dear! LOL. Sounds like they can go either way. how is your mare bred on the bottom? I really really really like my rock solid jess daughter. like REALLY like her. |
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| casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 11:46 PM roanrider - 2013-12-07 10:41 PM casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 11:27 PM roanrider - 2013-12-07 10:19 PM
casualdust07 - 2013-12-07 8:56 PM my wish list of colts I want by: Blazin Jetolena A Streak of Fling Firewaterontherocks Frenchmans Guy and I would love a jet black patriot or a valiant hero!
I have a 5 yr old mare by ASOF and she is anything but quiet, laid back or user friendly...the things the OP was looking for. Mine is chock full of talent and try but she is waaayyyy over reactive to everything and is really watchy. In the wrong hands she could be a nightmare, in the right hands she could be amazing. Only been working with her a few weeks so we'll see what kind of "hands" I have.
No I'm saying all ASOF's are like this - I don't know - this is my first and I've heard others say the same about their own. I'm not saying they aren't talented but so far mine is NOT user-friendly.
I would still like to try one. On page one I answered her questions more specifically... I've seen quite a few that I have liked in person. I wouldn't breed just any mare to him but I have one or two that I think he would cross really well on.
I've seen 5 I think from my trainer. One of her clients buys at almost every sale. The first one they bought is super nice, she is out of a FG daughter. I remember she had a little personality to her, they called her a diva. I would ride her any day. They had one gelding they bought at the sale but he wasn't from the fulton ranch- they said he had some attitude but has come around nicely. The third one they have has been a total dream. The fourth one they had was out of a cutting bred mare and my trainer bought him from her. She ended up buying a finished ASOF too to high school rodeo on.
So from what I know from those 5 there seems to be some that are super user friendly and then some with some attitude.
My confederate leader weanling is going to be hot IMO. I can see it now from how she acts with everything else. My first down french colt is so chilled out all the time.
oh dear! LOL. Sounds like they can go either way. how is your mare bred on the bottom? I really really really like my rock solid jess daughter. like REALLY like her.
Two Eyed Jack on the bottom.  She has the "watchy" ASOF paired with the "tough" 2EJ. Combine that together and what do you get? A tough horse that is scared of everything. LOL
If only I could convince her there isn't a roan horse eating boogie man behind every door, or every corner, or every leaf, or every dog, or every bale of hay, or every cat, or every....you get the picture.
Honestly she doesn't have a mean bone in her body and she really is trying to find the right answer so I'll give her a B+ at this point.
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Location: Montana | RoaniePonie11 - 2013-12-07 12:47 PM
I don't know what most of the abbreviated names are lol
I liked the sound of the Leo horse but I'm just not sure about breeding to a paint stud. Wouldn't that make the colt have paint papers?
Sorry I'm very illiterate at this stuff. That's why I'm starting a year early....
You know, it would be nice of someone to make a key to the abbreviations. Those of us who think pedigrees all day every day get to thinking the whole world shares our obsessions . . . ha!
To the OP - yes, if you breed to that Paint horse I think you will only be able to get Paint papers. Some overos also have QH papers and then you can breed a QH mare and get a QH colt. This horse's ad doesn't indicate that he has both sets of papers. Just looking at his pedigree on allbreed makes me think he can't get them either - because the Paints go back so far in time.
Don't apologize. The whole Paint/QH thing has changed a lot lately and was always confusing if you don't deal with it all the time. Our Paints are tobianos so we don't have those double registered/cropouts to deal with.
Starting early is a good idea!
ETA I'd look at Firewaterontherocks (FWOTR) and Dash For Perks (DFP) bred horses including Perks Alive. Pretty good balance of conformation, disposition and ability there.
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| My Letta Hank Do It daughter is a gentle giant. She is out of a BA75/Harlan bred mare. Very laid back and easy to get along with. Excellent mind. She is 5 years old, but handles things like an older more experienced horse. I've hauled her to local jackpots, big 4D's, and rodeos. I was a little worried about the rodeo situation because she kind of got thrown into it when my older horse was having issues, but she really was great. She will calmly warm up, make a run, then calm right down and walk out of the arena. I can throw my boys in the saddle after a run and lead them around while I cool her out.
This mare is built like a tank. She's at least 15.2 and over 1,250lbs. Lots of muscling and good bone. Her weak point is her head, which is typical of the Hank babies. She's a longer bodied mare, but overall is well-balanced. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Todays breeding quarter horses have good minds. It mostly comes from the mare. If she is offish and non social so will be the foal. If you imprint right away you can change those odds. Breed for conformation. When the foal is born channel all the good things you want in a horse. Be sure to feed well as that foal will need to be strong and healthy. |
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| dianeguinn - 2013-12-07 9:23 PM
I am a huge fan of Jet of Honor....I'd never owned one until my current horse, but after riding and owning one, I know why so many have made it to the NFR. OregonBR has a really nice Jet of Honor bred stallion that I would love to get a gelding by, but so far have not been able to afford the ones I've found. ;) Anything Flit Bar has my vote as well, but they tend to be a little more fragile minded than the JOH's...but sounds like they would cross well with your mare. On the Money Reds are very honest and usually have lots of speed, but tend to be slower maturing than the first two. I have REALLY liked the Red's Western Natives I've had...I think he is an undiscovered secret. Everyone of them I had were natural barrel horses and very consistent and honest. Of course, I like the Dash Ta Fames, there's no need to tell anything about them; they've proved their worth in the arena. I also like Bully Bullion (although they can sometimes be hard headed), Easily Smashed (sometimes hot tempered), and anything with Easy Six (Streakin Six, Packin Sixes, Six Fols, Martha Six Moons, etc.). I do NOT like anything with Beduino or Zevi anywhere in the pedigree, or Hancock. Not saying there's not good horses out there bred like that because there are, but they just don't fit with my program. I like easy, ride once a week, natural barrel horses, and the ones I like are like that. Ooopps....sorry...just read your post about your mare's bloodlines...wasn't dissing your mare....if you like her, then GREAT....I just don't like those bloodlines for ME. I was surprised to hear you say she was free running....with Peponita and Doc O Lena, I'm surprised. Most of the ones I've seen bred like that are S.E.T.T.Y!!! LOL I figure it's the racehorse bloodlines in her. After reading that, you might be better to go with a Flit Bar bred or Dinky's Red Man bred stud. JMO
My mare is a push style. She's young so I don't push hard to the 1st barrel yet but after that it's push till your legs fall off. She's very cowy. I have her cousin too lol. He is the cowiest and shortest QH I have ever seen. 13.3 and will get his belly on the ground chasing anything the moves. He's coming 3 this year. Hopefully I'll have my hands onny mares only full brother in a month or two.
Anywho, I have checked out Frostburns & Mr TT Pacific. I'm not much of a palomino person but I don't really care what color it is long as it's healthy and cool tempered.
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Location: Texas | I don't think you can go wrong with a First Down Dash son. They are fast and the ones I've been around have good minds. |
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Location: Montana | cow pie - 2013-12-08 9:28 AM
Todays breeding quarter horses have good minds. It mostly comes from the mare. If she is offish and non social so will be the foal. If you imprint right away you can change those odds. Breed for conformation. When the foal is born channel all the good things you want in a horse. Be sure to feed well as that foal will need to be strong and healthy.
I realize it is a generally held belief that foal's personalities come from their dam. I'm not in any way arguing against the importance of mares - I wholeheartedly believe in the importance of mares to the overall quality of the foal.
We have had a lot of different mares over the years - but most of the foals by our studs have pretty obviously got their sire's personalities with a modification from their dam. My Indian Money's colts are generally step on your toes friendly. No one ever got a hand on a Raise Your Rocket colt in the pasture but the second you really had a tight hold of one at weaning they quit fighting. Don't Doc's colts are all drama queens like daddy but super smart and not fighters either. Nothing in breeding horses is straightforward. It would sure be easier if you could just say the dam's personality would prevail but we have seen some mares whose colts are always gentle and some where it depends more on the stud. My Dad has a nice mare whose dam was a kids horse. His mare was kinda tough to get along with and NEVER lets us get near her foals until weaning. Every colt she has had has turned into a super nice, good to get along with saddle horse regardless of the new owner. They are scattered from Ontario to Virginia to Oregon in a variety of homes - that all love 'em.
The only point to all this is that I think if a good mind is important to you (and good for the OP on that one!) then I'd say that you need to find a stud who consistently sires good minded foals.
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| ausranch - 2013-12-08 11:03 AM
cow pie - 2013-12-08 9:28 AM
Todays breeding quarter horses have good minds. It mostly comes from the mare. If she is offish and non social so will be the foal. If you imprint right away you can change those odds. Breed for conformation. When the foal is born channel all the good things you want in a horse. Be sure to feed well as that foal will need to be strong and healthy.
I realize it is a generally held belief that foal's personalities come from their dam. I'm not in any way arguing against the importance of mares - I wholeheartedly believe in the importance of mares to the overall quality of the foal.
We have had a lot of different mares over the years - but most of the foals by our studs have pretty obviously got their sire's personalities with a modification from their dam. My Indian Money's colts are generally step on your toes friendly. No one ever got a hand on a Raise Your Rocket colt in the pasture but the second you really had a tight hold of one at weaning they quit fighting. Don't Doc's colts are all drama queens like daddy but super smart and not fighters either. Nothing in breeding horses is straightforward. It would sure be easier if you could just say the dam's personality would prevail but we have seen some mares whose colts are always gentle and some where it depends more on the stud. My Dad has a nice mare whose dam was a kids horse. His mare was kinda tough to get along with and NEVER lets us get near her foals until weaning. Every colt she has had has turned into a super nice, good to get along with saddle horse regardless of the new owner. They are scattered from Ontario to Virginia to Oregon in a variety of homes - that all love 'em.
The only point to all this is that I think if a good mind is important to you (and good for the OP on that one! ) then I'd say that you need to find a stud who consistently sires good minded foals.
I totally agree, if I were looking for a good mind I would look into sun frost, FG, Mr TT Pacific. etc. because everyone I have been around has been willing to please and love people. I'm sure there are some bad apples but my experience has been great with them. I really want to try a Frostburns and a mr tt pacific. My FG mare totally has her dads personality I guess, because she is nothing like her dam personality wise. |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2013-12-08 11:18 AM
ausranch - 2013-12-08 11:03 AM
cow pie - 2013-12-08 9:28 AM
Todays breeding quarter horses have good minds. It mostly comes from the mare. If she is offish and non social so will be the foal. If you imprint right away you can change those odds. Breed for conformation. When the foal is born channel all the good things you want in a horse. Be sure to feed well as that foal will need to be strong and healthy.
I realize it is a generally held belief that foal's personalities come from their dam. I'm not in any way arguing against the importance of mares - I wholeheartedly believe in the importance of mares to the overall quality of the foal.
We have had a lot of different mares over the years - but most of the foals by our studs have pretty obviously got their sire's personalities with a modification from their dam. My Indian Money's colts are generally step on your toes friendly. No one ever got a hand on a Raise Your Rocket colt in the pasture but the second you really had a tight hold of one at weaning they quit fighting. Don't Doc's colts are all drama queens like daddy but super smart and not fighters either. Nothing in breeding horses is straightforward. It would sure be easier if you could just say the dam's personality would prevail but we have seen some mares whose colts are always gentle and some where it depends more on the stud. My Dad has a nice mare whose dam was a kids horse. His mare was kinda tough to get along with and NEVER lets us get near her foals until weaning. Every colt she has had has turned into a super nice, good to get along with saddle horse regardless of the new owner. They are scattered from Ontario to Virginia to Oregon in a variety of homes - that all love 'em.
The only point to all this is that I think if a good mind is important to you (and good for the OP on that one! ) then I'd say that you need to find a stud who consistently sires good minded foals.
I totally agree, if I were looking for a good mind I would look into sun frost, FG, Mr TT Pacific. etc. because everyone I have been around has been willing to please and love people. I'm sure there are some bad apples but my experience has been great with them. I really want to try a Frostburns and a mr tt pacific. My FG mare totally has her dads personality I guess, because she is nothing like her dam personality wise.
I'm really liking the Mr TT Pacific horse. He's not very big though is my old gripe about him. I wonder how big his babies end up. My mare is 15-15.1 and all of 1150. She is built a lot like him but doesn't have the prominent hip like him (which I want). Not to mention the lady that has him is wonderful to talk to. |
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| There are a few on here for sale go check them out I think they are 15hh or so the ones I have looked at. His owner is super nice :) |
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Location: WYOMING | Tn_Barrelracer - 2013-12-08 12:18 PM ausranch - 2013-12-08 11:03 AM cow pie - 2013-12-08 9:28 AM Todays breeding quarter horses have good minds. It mostly comes from the mare. If she is offish and non social so will be the foal. If you imprint right away you can change those odds. Breed for conformation. When the foal is born channel all the good things you want in a horse. Be sure to feed well as that foal will need to be strong and healthy. I realize it is a generally held belief that foal's personalities come from their dam. I'm not in any way arguing against the importance of mares - I wholeheartedly believe in the importance of mares to the overall quality of the foal. We have had a lot of different mares over the years - but most of the foals by our studs have pretty obviously got their sire's personalities with a modification from their dam. My Indian Money's colts are generally step on your toes friendly. No one ever got a hand on a Raise Your Rocket colt in the pasture but the second you really had a tight hold of one at weaning they quit fighting. Don't Doc's colts are all drama queens like daddy but super smart and not fighters either. Nothing in breeding horses is straightforward. It would sure be easier if you could just say the dam's personality would prevail but we have seen some mares whose colts are always gentle and some where it depends more on the stud. My Dad has a nice mare whose dam was a kids horse. His mare was kinda tough to get along with and NEVER lets us get near her foals until weaning. Every colt she has had has turned into a super nice, good to get along with saddle horse regardless of the new owner. They are scattered from Ontario to Virginia to Oregon in a variety of homes - that all love 'em. The only point to all this is that I think if a good mind is important to you (and good for the OP on that one! ) then I'd say that you need to find a stud who consistently sires good minded foals. I totally agree, if I were looking for a good mind I would look into sun frost, FG, Mr TT Pacific. etc. because everyone I have been around has been willing to please and love people. I'm sure there are some bad apples but my experience has been great with them. I really want to try a Frostburns and a mr tt pacific. My FG mare totally has her dads personality I guess, because she is nothing like her dam personality wise.
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Location: Utah | My Mr TT Pacific colt is estimated to be 16 hands at LEAST. He's about 15.1 at the withers and 15.2 at his hip as a 19 month old. (I have measured him.) He's also filling out incredibly and will be one heck of a powerhouse. And he thinks I am stronger than him, he's so soft and responsive despite his size. I would own another in a heartbeat. His owner's husband is also incredibly tall. He makes all horses look like ponies. :) |
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Location: Not sure yet | perfectturns - 2013-12-07 12:31 PM Check out Lions Share Of Fame. His babies are very very nice and he stamps them. I have had my eye on him for a long time, I bred a mare to him the first year he stood but the baby died. I'm most likely going to try and buy a 5 year old out of him eventually because I'm tired of waiting for babies to grow up and must have one!! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lions-Share-of-Fame/402471850972[/quo...
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Location: Oklahoma | My stud is 15.2. My husband is almost as big as Becca's husband... it's a close call! Here is a picture of my husband on my guy.
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