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Location: Kansas | My little sorrel filly looks a bit sunk in. She is on free choice brome/prairie hay, and is on a regular worming rotational schedule. When I brought her home she was extremely wormy and we finally got rid of all the worms. I'm going to get a fecal test done for any eggs, and I'm going to start giving her alfalfa again.
Any reason why she would look like this? None of the other horses are sunk in, in fact they are FAT, even my coming 2 year old. I pulled everyone off grain because I moved them to a winter pasture, so not sure why she looks like this. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Can we see a picture to see what you're talking about? Sometimes they go through kind of ugly stages.....??? |
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Location: Kansas | I'll see if I can find one on my cell....she is fluffy so it's hard to tell from a picture, you have to walk up and feel her back |
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Location: Kansas | Ok here she is, picture was taken 11/24/13
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I think you're on track with checking her stool. She doesn't look horrible. Kind of looks a little wormy. I'd do that and put her on a youth feed. I like to use Calf Manna too. |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:10 AM I think you're on track with checking her stool. She doesn't look horrible. Kind of looks a little wormy. I'd do that and put her on a youth feed. I like to use Calf Manna too.
I thought she looked wormy as well......GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......I've fought those dang things since I brought little miss home!
She was on a growth feed for awhile until I pulled her off, I'll start her back on a baby grain and hope that she fills out. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:14 AM LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:10 AM I think you're on track with checking her stool. She doesn't look horrible. Kind of looks a little wormy. I'd do that and put her on a youth feed. I like to use Calf Manna too. I thought she looked wormy as well......GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......I've fought those dang things since I brought little miss home!
She was on a growth feed for awhile until I pulled her off, I'll start her back on a baby grain and hope that she fills out.
They all go through an ugly stage too, so just check the stool and go from there. Mine are all growing right now and look gangly....I guess is the word. |
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| I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain?Eta...just saw where you had pulled her off grain. I think she's not getting enough calories without grain and needs a higher quality roughage.
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Location: Kansas | bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain?
No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her |
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Location: Midwest | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:28 AM bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain? No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her
she's savoring the flavor |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I'd give her grain too. I think if you check fecal and give grain you will notice a difference. Try the Calf Manna too. I really like it. |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:35 AM I'd give her grain too. I think if you check fecal and give grain you will notice a difference. Try the Calf Manna too. I really like it.
Can I get the calf manna at TSC? |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:28 AM
bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain?
No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her
The little boogers can be a pain to accommodate, that's for sure. But brome|prairie hay is only going to be 5% to 10% protein. Without grain supplementing that, it's just not enough for her. A little probiotic after each worming and a mineral block may not hurt either. |
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Location: Kansas | bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:28 AM bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain? No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her The little boogers can be a pain to accommodate, that's for sure. But brome|prairie hay is only going to be 5% to 10% protein. Without grain supplementing that, it's just not enough for her. A little probiotic after each worming and a mineral block may not hurt either.
Ok! Can you recommend a good probiotic for her? I'm not sure where to buy any, I've never had issues with a baby that was like this. |
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Location: Harrisonville, Missouri | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:37 AM
LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:35 AM I'd give her grain too. I think if you check fecal and give grain you will notice a difference. Try the Calf Manna too. I really like it.
Can I get the calf manna at TSC?
Should be able to. They sell at the one's around here in Missouri. |
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Location: Kansas | Ok, is it like a supplement that you mix with the grain? Or is it a grain itself? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:37 AM LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:35 AM I'd give her grain too. I think if you check fecal and give grain you will notice a difference. Try the Calf Manna too. I really like it. Can I get the calf manna at TSC?
I honestly don't know about TSC....but, any feed store should be able to get it for you if they don't already have it. It's a little pricey per bag, but you only give a cup a day. Any vet should have the Probiotics, or you can order online.....my feed store carries it. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:38 AM
bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:28 AM bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain? No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her The little boogers can be a pain to accommodate, that's for sure. But brome|prairie hay is only going to be 5% to 10% protein. Without grain supplementing that, it's just not enough for her. A little probiotic after each worming and a mineral block may not hurt either.
Probios is alright and TSC should have it.People may disagree with this, but I have bought plain yogurt at the grocery store and mixed it in their feed. Or dosed them with it if they are picky. About a half cup for 2 or 3 days. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:41 AM Ok, is it like a supplement that you mix with the grain? Or is it a grain itself?
It's a supplement. Usually around $20 - $25 per bag. I give one cup a day. |
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Location: Midwest | engravedinvitation - 2013-12-10 8:39 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:37 AM LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:35 AM I'd give her grain too. I think if you check fecal and give grain you will notice a difference. Try the Calf Manna too. I really like it. Can I get the calf manna at TSC? Should be able to. They sell at the one's around here in Missouri.
They sell it at the Indiana ones too |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:44 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:41 AM Ok, is it like a supplement that you mix with the grain? Or is it a grain itself? It's a supplement. Usually around $20 - $25 per bag. I give one cup a day.
I can get that, what type of grain should I get for her? |
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| My remaining weaner went through some uglies in November too. He also started standing up too much in his pasturns so I was working with both wormy and too much protein. I took his grain down a notch, pulled his calf manna, upped his alfalfa a touch, and wormed twice (two weeks apart) with safe guard pellets. He's back to wowza again. When I see a growth spurt again I will add the calf manna back in. I will probably also worm him again 2x with the remaining pellets in January. I've had a couple weaners along the years that didn't go thru uglies, but most do. It can be tough to figure out which part of the equation to work with to get them out of it quick. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:47 AM LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:44 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:41 AM Ok, is it like a supplement that you mix with the grain? Or is it a grain itself? It's a supplement. Usually around $20 - $25 per bag. I give one cup a day.
Everyone has one they like better. Just depends on what brands you have available where you are. I use Nutrena Vitality 12% and have good results with it. There's a mare and foal that's good. Their Safe Choice is good. |
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| IMO you could use more protein in the diet. Sunken top line is the main symptom of not enough protein in the diet. Top lines don't lie. They can show you whether or not there is enough protein. That would be my biggest concern. |
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| You can supplement one to death when all they need is a good 50-50 feeding program of 6-8 lbs of rolled crimped oats mixed with a good 14% pellet with good quality hay and a block of alfalfa per day. This will figure out to 14% protein including the alfalfa ...
Find some loose ADM Grostrong minerals 25lb bag $34 .... for 2 weeks throw a handful per day in his feed and then go to every other day ...
WORMING .. looking at condition of hair, mane and tail of your baby ... buy the $21.50 one year worming kit from Jeffers ... but use it this way ...
First you want to kill the 3 types of round worms .... give him a full tube of EXODUS
2 WEEKS LATER ... give him a full tube of IVERMECTIN ..
1 MONTH LATER ... give him a full tube of EXODUS
1 month Later ... give him a full tube of IVERMECTIN
2 MONTHS LATER .... give him full tube of Ivermectin
2 Months Later .. give him full tube of EXODUS
This will put him to August and you can start worming him like you do your older horses ... just make sure you use Ivermectin or Quest around Jan 1 to kill the bots over the winter months ...
When you break this down ... it is simple .. and very standard feed and worming program ... and it works ...
Pictures of 2 WEANLING fillies a month ago on the above feeding program ...
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't consider Calf Manna supplementing one to death. I feed Nutrena 12%, Calf Manna and free choice hay. They are on a worming program. The result is in my avatar. I think the probiotics sound great. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:28 AM bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:26 AM I'd do what you are doing...fecal and back on alfalfa. I don't think brome/prairie hay is enough for a growing horse. Is she getting grain? No I moved all my horses to a bigger winter pasture this year, so they are just getting the round bales of brome/prairie hay.
I was going to buy a ton of round alfalfa hay and fork it over daily, I can put the panels up and pull her in to feed her. It seriously takes her 2 HOURS to eat 4lbs of grain back when I was graining her
Babies can get ulcers. I would do a fecal and treat accordingly, but if its clean I would do something for ulcers. For most horses it is not normal to eat that slow. |
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Location: North MS | I wouldn't give a foal the entire tube of wormer when the required dose is typically 1/3 tube. Don't want to stress the kidneys.
ADM Juniorglo is a good feed for young horses. I'm actually just using my Triple Crown Senior and alfalfa pellets for my young one.
I'm aiming for less sugar in my feeds. Nutrena mare and foal has a lot of molasses, but I don't know the NSC content. |
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Location: South Georgia | You just need a grain with at least 14% protein until they are 12 months old. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | LRQHS - 2013-12-10 9:21 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-10 8:14 AM LRQHS - 2013-12-10 8:10 AM I think you're on track with checking her stool. She doesn't look horrible. Kind of looks a little wormy. I'd do that and put her on a youth feed. I like to use Calf Manna too. I thought she looked wormy as well......GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......I've fought those dang things since I brought little miss home!
She was on a growth feed for awhile until I pulled her off, I'll start her back on a baby grain and hope that she fills out.
Mine too. He looks lonely, not homely. So as not to hurt his feelings. |
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Location: North Dakota | horsegirl - 2013-12-11 6:44 AM You just need a grain with at least 14% protein until they are 12 months old.
I agree, I feed Woodys Futurity Blend-I think the 18%.
When you said it takes her a long time to eat 4# of grain, this triggered my thoughts. Woody's recommends 1-2 pounds of the futurity blend, which literally cuts your feeding time in half.
My weanling last year looked like yours, here's what I did:
Safeguard generic 1/2 tube, waited a week gave the other half of the tube.
Started on the Woody's Futurity Blend, 1 pound with 1 1/2 pounds of COB
Honestly, I would have liked the Calf Manna, but found the Futurity Blend (or whatever JR. feed you can find) was way more cost effective-less than $1 a day
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Have her teeth checked, I know she is young but may be losing one and the grain you were giving may have been bad for her to take 2 hour to eat it. You can feed diatomaceous earth to keep the worms down, if you can separate her from the others she'll pack on the weight. |
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Location: LOUISIANA | my baby is on safechoice, wormed, fed twice a day..he is in a pasture by himself and still looks wormy...
guess i need to worm and worm again... |
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Location: North Dakota | rodeowannabe - 2013-12-14 1:45 AM my baby is on safechoice, wormed, fed twice a day..he is in a pasture by himself and still looks wormy... guess i need to worm and worm again...
No, my bet is more protein, they need more than a big horse!
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