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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | Ok well I'm a rookie breeder. I had a mare who lost her foal yesterday ( I found it last night ) she was in her 6 th month. Is there anything specifically I need to be concerned about or checking for? Do mares handle this well, or is she likely to get an Infection ? I did contact my vet but haven't heard back yet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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Location: MN | Look for the after birth. We had a mare abort twins at 10 months and got an infection because a piece of afterbirth has not expelled. Mare spent a couple of days at the vets getting cleaned out. |
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| we had a mare that did this every second year, she would always abort, the vet couldnt give us an explanation. Sorry I know you were looking forward to this one! |
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Location: OH | Sorry for your loss.
I would sure call the vet and have her flushed just to be safe. |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | dawnb - 2013-12-11 9:23 AM
Look for the after birth. We had a mare abort twins at 10 months and got an infection because a piece of afterbirth has not expelled. Mare spent a couple of days at the vets getting cleaned out.
Yes I found the afterbirth .... |
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Location: Texas | could have been many things. Did you give her her pneumabort shot at 5 months? It's not a guarantee that every individual mare will not abort, but it's really good for herd health. Especially if you have other horses coming and going a lot from the property.
The mare could have had an infection, or gotten sick, the foal could have had a problem and wouldn't have been viable.
I am sorry for your loss :(
We had a mare slip around that time a few years ago and never found the baby :/ |
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Location: OH | We have had it happen a couple times over the years and I wonder if it isn't just Mother Nature knowing there is a problem and takes care of it. We generally have around 10 babies a year and the broodies all have the same care and are exposed to the same environment and the times when it has happened we have only lost one.
Again, sorry for your loss---it sucks !!!! |
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Location: Sapulpa, OK | You need to vaccinate for Rhino at 5, 7 and 9 months. Your mare is most likely a carrier. A cheap way to insure that they don't have it is to vaccinate. Sorry for your loss :( |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | palgalz - 2013-12-11 10:52 AM
You need to vaccinate for Rhino at 5, 7 and 9 months. Your mare is most likely a carrier. A cheap way to insure that they don't have it is to vaccinate. Sorry for your loss :(
She's was vaccinated ..... |
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Location: LaCygne, KS | We have had a mare that needed to be on Regumate her whole pregnancy. The vet can test for hormone levels to help you make that decision. |
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Location: USA | Sorry for your loss. I'm a rookie at breeding also and I'm breeding my mare for the first time this year and I'm super nervous about it. Prayers your mare will be ok and won't develop an infection or anything. Keep your hopes up.  |
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Location: rabbit run | So sorry for your loss.....not much consolation, but if there was something wrong this is best. I had a beautiful stud colt last year and he only had 3 legs....had to rush and put him to sleep and the little guy didn't even know there was anything wrong with him. It's heartbreaking no matter what! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss. |
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Location: Kentucky | OregonBR - 2013-12-11 3:28 PM Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss.
I do not give the Rhino vaccine either. |
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Location: OH | Murphy - 2013-12-11 3:32 PM OregonBR - 2013-12-11 3:28 PM Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss.
We don't either. |
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Location: Texas | if you look at the vaccine label for rhino theres no guarantee that they won't abort. The label says its used as "an aid in the prevention of disease" which means its significant but less than 80% effective. MOST vaccines fit this category, so that should not be a big shocker. But lots of times people don't read the labels or don't understand what they mean.
I had a vet say verbatim that vaccinating the individual horse for rhino will not prevent the mare from aborting. But when you vaccinate the HERD for rhino, you will prevent the herd from getting it and the mass abortions, and the potential loss of a foal crop because of it. It's not designed for the single mare to get. We vaccinate our mares at 5, 7, and 9 months because we have barrel horses in the barn that are traveling and bringing stuff back. But if you have just one or two mares, or even 5 or so mares on a lot of space, with horses not really coming and going, there's not too much point in giving rhino. |
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| palgalz - 2013-12-11 11:52 AM
You need to vaccinate for Rhino at 5, 7 and 9 months. Your mare is most likely a carrier. A cheap way to insure that they don't have it is to vaccinate. Sorry for your loss :(
Not necessarily, there are over 42 strains of rhino most are not covered by the vaccine. The vaccine is not a sure thing. I had my riding horses get rhino I had to put them in quarantine for 30 days and could not visit as I had one mare in her 3rd trimester |
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| Had one who lost her foal at birth, she became depressed went off of her feed it took her a few months to recover, so I would watch for this |
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| Mighty Broke - 2013-12-11 2:46 PM Murphy - 2013-12-11 3:32 PM OregonBR - 2013-12-11 3:28 PM Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss.
Add me to that list.
Sorry for your loss, op. The one time I saw a foal aborted the momma had contracted a very severe blood disease, not Rhino, this was something blood related, not viral . She went from being a fat tick of a broodie to bones in 2-3 days. Aborted on the 3rd day. Her body knew it couldn't survive while pregnant, and it was a long tough battle saving her even after aborting. I do think it's usually something that's gone wrong, whether with mare or foal. And not usually something to be overly concerned with. Have your mare flushed and try again. If you can or want to you can have the necropsy done on the foal. |
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Location: At the barn | Could have been that her hormones levels were too low to maintain the pregnancy. If she was vaccinated and didn't get a kick or injury I would say her progesterone levels were too low. Some mares that tend to have low hormones have to be maintained on Regumate to maintain the pregnancy. The embryo provides the hormones at first and then the mares begins producing them. That's why some mares abort around 3 to 6 months. Been out of breeding a few years now but that's, it in a nut shell. If you brdsd her next year check her hormones beginning Around 2 months |
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Location: Texas | trotncowpony - 2013-12-11 3:18 PM
Could have been that her hormones levels were too low to maintain the pregnancy. If she was vaccinated and didn't get a kick or injury I would say her progesterone levels were too low. Some mares that tend to have low hormones have to be maintained on Regumate to maintain the pregnancy. The embryo provides the hormones at first and then the mares begins producing them. That's why some mares abort around 3 to 6 months. Been out of breeding a few years now but that's, it in a nut shell. If you brdsd her next year check her hormones beginning Around 2 months
now that you mention it you reminded me- When my mare slipped the first time, we cultured her before breeding her the next season and she was dirty. On top of it, since she slipped, we went ahead and had her on regumate for 100 days of her pregnancy. She foaled a healthy colt.
Her second pregnancy we had her on regumate for the first 50 days and she was fine to come off. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Awww I'm sorry to hear this |
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Location: MN | I guess I should've added does the afterbirth look like it is all there. I thought it was complete but the vet said it was a small piece that was still inside the mare. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Murphy - 2013-12-11 12:32 PM
OregonBR - 2013-12-11 3:28 PM Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss.
Me either. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'm sorry for your loss. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Mighty Broke - 2013-12-11 1:46 PM Murphy - 2013-12-11 3:32 PM OregonBR - 2013-12-11 3:28 PM Sometimes stuff just happens. I had a mare abort 3 or 4 years ago. I took the fetus to the college where they neocropsied it. They could not find a reason. All they could tell me was it was NOT Rhino. I don't vaccinate bacause I've had mares abort after vaccinating for Rhino. She aborted in February. I waited until her second cycle after aborting and bred her back. She foaled a perfect filly.
So sorry for your loss.
Me neither and have never had one abort from it. |
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