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Location: Texas | Its true....my boyfriend moved down from colorado and brought his heeler pup with him
He's cute as button and so sweet. Dumber than a boc of rocks though. Seriously I've never met such a stupid dog. How do you train these things? Even just potty training makes me want to rip my hair out. I don't want to leave him out because its too cold but I don't what else to do. Weve tried kenneling, mopping it up with a paper towel making him smell it then taking him and the towel outside. Spanking.....nothing works. What do I do?!?! |
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Location: Never in one place long | Very weird! Both my heelers potty trained amazingly fast.... some advice about potty training... I have potty trained LOTS of dogs becauase I foster many and have 4 of my own...
The First few weeks/months are crucial!
Watch the pup every second! I seriously keep mind on a leash on my arm for the first 2 weeks, that way they can't sneak off without me knowing it.
Take them outside VERY often, give him/her a treat every time they go potty outside!
If they try to go inside, catch them in the act an INTERRUPT them, they don't like to be interupted say NOOO really firm, loud but not screaming at them and say OUTSIDE IMMEDIETLY try to get them to stop pottying and go outside. the interruption should be enough to drive them crazy.
If the dog even LOOKS at the door or starts walking around like it wants to go tothe bathroom put it OUT!
I tie mine with a leash to my bedpost on a short leash when I sleep and put the dog bed/blankets around it, dogs will not likely potty in their sleeping area so they learn to never potty inside and you know theyre not sneaking of to do it.
Hoep this helps! Just like horses... make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard... |
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Location: Texas | Thank you! Ill try that! I've never had such an issue before with any of my other dogs. Knew I was doing something wrong lol |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | A crate works great for this too. They don't like to go in there plus you have them conveniently crate trained if you need to take them somewhere. |
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Location: La Vernia, TX | Crate training is a blessing- if you ever need to board your dog, travel with it confined (vehicle or plane!) or leave it with friends, it is invaluable.
What the others said on here is so right! You just gotta watch them. The crate helps give you a little freedom, but you still have to be vigilant. Food and water schedules are very helpful. What goes in has to come out, and it usually happens in rapid sequence.
When they wake up, they need to pee. After they eat, they need to poop. After a (even brief) vigorous bout of playing, the dog will go.
People often want to punish the dog for going inside, I don't think this works well with a puppy. It's a lot like punishing a baby for ****ting in a diaper. They have to go, there is no concept of right or wrong. Remember, a few weeks ago, mom was licking his butt to make him go, right there where he slept. Give him a little time to grow up and the urge to go to the bathroom in one spot will kick in.
Here's the kicker, and the HARDEST part to follow through on: go outside with the dog and praise him when he goes. Give it a name. Do not play with him until he does go. Result: a dog that goes on command (very helpful if you travel with one).
Lastly, if he's very young (3 months or younger) you'll have to get up at night to let him out. Restricting water access at night will limit the number of trips you have to make.
Hope this helps. I love, love love my dogs...not a big puppy fan because of all this work!  |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | How old is he? |
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Holy Fruit Loops!
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Location: Colorado | Spanking any dog to housebreak does NOT work. Spanking a heeler will only make it worse. I am sure the dog knows you don't like him. That is never a good thing with a heeler.
99% of housebreaking issues are the human NOT the dog. Puppies have little control and need to be watched and taken out Often. Make going out and him actually going a Great thing. Happy voice, puppy party.
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| Phoenix98 - 2013-12-12 3:24 PM Crate training is a blessing- if you ever need to board your dog, travel with it confined (vehicle or plane! ) or leave it with friends, it is invaluable. What the others said on here is so right! You just gotta watch them. The crate helps give you a little freedom, but you still have to be vigilant. Food and water schedules are very helpful. What goes in has to come out, and it usually happens in rapid sequence. When they wake up, they need to pee. After they eat, they need to poop. After a (even brief ) vigorous bout of playing, the dog will go. People often want to punish the dog for going inside, I don't think this works well with a puppy. It's a lot like punishing a baby for ****ting in a diaper. They have to go, there is no concept of right or wrong. Remember, a few weeks ago, mom was licking his butt to make him go, right there where he slept. Give him a little time to grow up and the urge to go to the bathroom in one spot will kick in. Here's the kicker, and the HARDEST part to follow through on: go outside with the dog and praise him when he goes. Give it a name. Do not play with him until he does go. Result: a dog that goes on command (very helpful if you travel with one ). Lastly, if he's very young (3 months or younger ) you'll have to get up at night to let him out. Restricting water access at night will limit the number of trips you have to make. Hope this helps. I love, love love my dogs...not a big puppy fan because of all this work!
Oh yeah on the praising - we used to CHEER and say, "Good girl, Daisy went potty outside!" - now, my 3-yr old Heeler would blow up before she went in the house! LOL |
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Location: GA | I have never owned a dumb heeler, mine seem to be born potty trained. I agree crating is a blessing. Spanking is a no no. If they still potty in the crate take all bedding out and most dogs will not potty on a bare crate floor because they don't want direct contact. |
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| *robin* - 2013-12-13 7:07 AM
I have never owned a dumb heeler, mine seem to be born potty trained. I agree crating is a blessing. Spanking is a no no. If they still potty in the crate take all bedding out and most dogs will not potty on a bare crate floor because they don't want direct contact.
Good advice right here.
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. |
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| Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM
Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler.
Define Irony
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Location: Texas | Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM
Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed.
And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh.....
He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I've never been around a stupid heeler...I didn't know they existed...I'll leave it at that. |
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Location: Great NW | Nevertooold - 2013-12-13 3:19 PM I've never been around a stupid heeler...I didn't know they existed...I'll leave it at that.
Ditto~ I love them they can be tough and they definately know when someone does not like them. |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2013-12-13 5:19 PM
I've never been around a stupid heeler...I didn't know they existed...I'll leave it at that.
Then youve obviously never been around this dog. |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | DD2012 - 2013-12-13 6:12 AM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. Define Irony
You jumping off a bridge..... |
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Location: Colorado | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 4:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone.
Find the dog a new home. Not fair to the pup.
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM
Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM
Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed.
And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh.....
He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard.
Sorry for any typos on my phone.
So I'm a little confused. Does he only stay in the crate? Or does he have some play time? Like someone else said heelers are a busy breed and are working dogs! They need active time! It truly doesn't have to be herding. We have two heelers and no cattle to work. We just love the breed. Knowing that he needs some time to get worn out so he won't be so destructive. As for the potty training all dogs are different and it takes time. My puppies don't come in until they have went to the bathroom. And I stay out with them, however long that may be, to make sure they went and praise them! Also I'm a huge fan of crate training but you can't let them out when they yap. They just learn that by yapping they get out! My crates are also in my bedroom(only 2!). I don't feel their about isolating a dog but more about giving them a secure place to sleep. My dogs crate up on their own and don't make a peep! Don't get me wrong the first few nights are hell but if dealt with correctly that's all it takes! I would seriously talk to your boyfriend about him finding the dog another home if he is never with it and you don't like it. They are great dogs when raised by those that love them! I've never had a more loyal dog in my life!!
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone.
No Problem. I'm just sorry you are having to deal with the dog. I'm not a heeler fan, they need a full time job with super strict boundries and take forever to mature. I just don't appreciate a dog that barks 24/7/365 at nothing. And has cost me a pile of $$ in vet bills - just to try to keep the peace with my neighbor. While the dog destroys their yard and house, and lets not forget the fact that he's come across my property and charged the fence. I HATE that worthless dog. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-12 9:40 PM Spanking any dog to housebreak does NOT work. Spanking a heeler will only make it worse. I am sure the dog knows you don't like him. That is never a good thing with a heeler.
99% of housebreaking issues are the human NOT the dog. Puppies have little control and need to be watched and taken out Often. Make going out and him actually going a Great thing. Happy voice, puppy party.
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Then you would be one of the lucky ones :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I am curious also, how much outside play time does he get? I have never had one in a kennel more than just at night or if I had to be gone and it was cold out. Mine stayed outside most of the time, came in to relax and cuddle when I could keep an eye on them. This goes for any dog (other than inside fru fru dogs that might get carried off by an eagle). |
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| I just think it's sad that you are being mean to a heeler. I love them and am a huge advocate of the breed, but I also understand their weaknesses. They are very fragile minded as puppies and if they're traumatized early, they can be ruined for life. Please send this puppy to a loving home that understands and values heelers. People that can train border collies are usually (Disclaimer to the board: USUALLY!) incompatible. You're not doing this dog any favors, and your attitude throughout this post towards an innocent puppy has me quite upset. (Disclaimer: Upset, not angry or judgemental) I get really sad when people are hard on animals just because they don't understand them. Please talk to your SO and find this puppy a great home! |
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Location: Texas | hank520 - 2013-12-13 8:09 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM
Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM
Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed.
And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh.....
He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard.
Sorry for any typos on my phone.
So I'm a little confused. Does he only stay in the crate? Or does he have some play time? Like someone else said heelers are a busy breed and are working dogs! They need active time! It truly doesn't have to be herding. We have two heelers and no cattle to work. We just love the breed. Knowing that he needs some time to get worn out so he won't be so destructive. As for the potty training all dogs are different and it takes time. My puppies don't come in until they have went to the bathroom. And I stay out with them, however long that may be, to make sure they went and praise them! Also I'm a huge fan of crate training but you can't let them out when they yap. They just learn that by yapping they get out! My crates are also in my bedroom (only 2! ). I don't feel their about isolating a dog but more about giving them a secure place to sleep. My dogs crate up on their own and don't make a peep! Don't get me wrong the first few nights are hell but if dealt with correctly that's all it takes! I would seriously talk to your boyfriend about him finding the dog another home if he is never with it and you don't like it. They are great dogs when raised by those that love them! I've never had a more loyal dog in my life!!
Oh no! He doesn't he only goes in his crate at night or when its too cold out and he does something bad. Just don't know how to train these dogs. I know its me but ibe never had ANY luck with them. Anyways he's pretty good in his crate. Doesnt potty in it anymore and only whines sometimes (hes getting a little better but if its dayligt out he statt to cry after about 15 min). I take him out whenhe whines but other than that he's out with me all day or outside with my little dog. They play constantly and he's generally worn out by bedtime.
I don't hate THIS dog I just hate the breed. Like I said he is pretty cute and so sweet. Idk its just like anything I teach him doesn't "stick" if that makes sense.
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Location: Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-13 8:03 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 4:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone.
karen
That def not an option. Hes not mine and SO ADORES him. Like really in his eyes this pup does no wrong. So I'm not giving up because I don't like the breed. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet. |
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Location: Texas | classicpotatochip - 2013-12-13 9:27 PM
I just think it's sad that you are being mean to a heeler. I love them and am a huge advocate of the breed, but I also understand their weaknesses. They are very fragile minded as puppies and if they're traumatized early, they can be ruined for life. Please send this puppy to a loving home that understands and values heelers. People that can train border collies are usually (Disclaimer to the board: USUALLY!) incompatible. You're not doing this dog any favors, and your attitude throughout this post towards an innocent puppy has me quite upset. (Disclaimer: Upset, not angry or judgemental) I get really sad when people are hard on animals just because they don't understand them. Please talk to your SO and find this puppy a great home!
I think your reading too much into what I'm saying. I'm not mean or abusive to a puppy. I'm not totally heartless. Im just losing my patience and don't know what else to do. I don't think I've "traumatized" by a few swats on the butt or making him smell a paper towel with pee on. I don't rub his face in it just make him smell say no in a stern voice and take him out. I also don't punish him for something he did 30 minutes before. If I don't catch him in the act I don't punish him.
I'm camr here for training tips soit doesn't come to the point of him living outside 24/7. Iddon't want that and refuse to when its cold out. |
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Location: Texas | RacingQH - 2013-12-13 10:09 PM
Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet.
All my other dogs were for the most part house trained by 8 weeks. Even my fru fru bottle baby dog was house trained for the most part by 6 weeks. This pup is 12 weeks and still does his business in the house? Not trying to sound rude but that's unacceptable. If he was just having accidents I'd be okay with it. But he wi ll go outside and spend HOURS outside then the second I let him in he does his business everytime. |
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Location: Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2013-12-13 8:35 PM
I am curious also, how much outside play time does he get? I have never had one in a kennel more than just at night or if I had to be gone and it was cold out. Mine stayed outside most of the time, came in to relax and cuddle when I could keep an eye on them. This goes for any dog (other than inside fru fru dogs that might get carried off by an eagle).
Lol I wish my fru fru dog was as fru fru minded as sge is in size. She thinks shes the sizeof a bear and beats ip my parents pyrenesse dogs all the time. But boone (this pup) spends just about all day with her. And sshe's on the go 24/7. I think he's getting plenty of exercise because he has free rein all day unless its too cold and he pottys inside then he goes in the crate for anywhere from 15-45 minutes. Other than he stay out of "jail" lol |
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Location: Colorado | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:20 PM RacingQH - 2013-12-13 10:09 PM Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet. All my other dogs were for the most part house trained by 8 weeks. Even my fru fru bottle baby dog was house trained for the most part by 6 weeks. This pup is 12 weeks and still does his business in the house? Not trying to sound rude but that's unacceptable. If he was just having accidents I'd be okay with it. But he wi ll go outside and spend HOURS outside then the second I let him in he does his business everytime.
No matter what you "think" a twelve week old pup is still a BABY dog. You have been given a ton of good advice here. If you refuse to listen and continue to thump on this dog and crate him one of two things will happen.
New boyfriend will be old soon and the dog will be gone.
Dog will resent you for the next 12 years.
New boyfriend came WITH the pup. Why are you trying so hard to run the guy off already?
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Location: Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-13 10:43 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:20 PM RacingQH - 2013-12-13 10:09 PM Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet. All my other dogs were for the most part house trained by 8 weeks. Even my fru fru bottle baby dog was house trained for the most part by 6 weeks. This pup is 12 weeks and still does his business in the house? Not trying to sound rude but that's unacceptable. If he was just having accidents I'd be okay with it. But he wi ll go outside and spend HOURS outside then the second I let him in he does his business everytime.
New boyfriend will be old soon and the dog will be gone.
Dog will resent you for the next 12 years.
New boyfriend came WITH the pup. Why are you trying so hard to run the guy off already?
karen
Wow.....THIS is why I don't come here anymore. *****es like you.
And for your little ****ty mind we've NEVER had one argument over this dog. So can take your "advice" and shove it up your ass.
To the people who truly were helpful amd understand my frustrations I appreciate it and I will give everything a try.
And if I'm so terrinly why is the pup sitting in my lap right now? I must be a dog beater for sure. |
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | 12 weeks and you expect him to be totally patty trained? That is crazy, he is 3 months old. A BABY. He's still having trouble "holding it". My Doberman and my husbands beagle were pushing 6 months old before they were solid on potty training and were going all week without 1 of 2 accidents, and this was with lots of consistency.
You are not being fair to him, and I am sensing it is because he's a heeler and you already think they're dumb or stupid. sounds like your SO needs to make him into a rig dog or rehome him to be fair to the dog.
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Location: Texas | BlazeFlameHarley - 2013-12-13 10:48 PM
12 weeks and you expect him to be totally patty trained? That is crazy, he is 3 months old. A BABY. He's still having trouble "holding it". My Doberman and my husbands beagle were pushing 6 months old before they were solid on potty training and were going all week without 1 of 2 accidents, and this was with lots of consistency.
You are not being fair to him, and I am sensing it is because he's a heeler and you already think they're dumb or stupid. sounds like your SO needs to make him into a rig dog or rehome him to be fair to the dog.
Again this is why I don't come here anymore....people add stuff I didn't say.
I never said he had to be 100% did I? No I said he will soend all day outside then come right inside and go. I'm tired of it. He should be progressing and he isn't.
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Location: Colorado | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:48 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-13 10:43 PM Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:20 PM RacingQH - 2013-12-13 10:09 PM Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet. All my other dogs were for the most part house trained by 8 weeks. Even my fru fru bottle baby dog was house trained for the most part by 6 weeks. This pup is 12 weeks and still does his business in the house? Not trying to sound rude but that's unacceptable. If he was just having accidents I'd be okay with it. But he wi ll go outside and spend HOURS outside then the second I let him in he does his business everytime.
New boyfriend will be old soon and the dog will be gone.
Dog will resent you for the next 12 years.
New boyfriend came WITH the pup. Why are you trying so hard to run the guy off already?
karen Wow.....THIS is why I don't come here anymore. *****es like you. And for your little ****ty mind we've NEVER had one argument over this dog. So can take your "advice" and shove it up your ass. To the people who truly were helpful amd understand my frustrations I appreciate it and I will give everything a try. And if I'm so terrinly why is the pup sitting in my lap right now? I must be a dog beater for sure.
You have been given a ton of good advice and still want to blame a dog. Blame me thats cool.
Honestly I am much more concerned about the pup than your feelers.
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Location: Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-13 10:57 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:48 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-13 10:43 PM Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:20 PM RacingQH - 2013-12-13 10:09 PM Give him a BREAK! He is a tiny BABY. It's no wonder he does all theses things, he isn't OLD ENOUGH to have learned any better yet. All my other dogs were for the most part house trained by 8 weeks. Even my fru fru bottle baby dog was house trained for the most part by 6 weeks. This pup is 12 weeks and still does his business in the house? Not trying to sound rude but that's unacceptable. If he was just having accidents I'd be okay with it. But he wi ll go outside and spend HOURS outside then the second I let him in he does his business everytime.
New boyfriend will be old soon and the dog will be gone.
Dog will resent you for the next 12 years.
New boyfriend came WITH the pup. Why are you trying so hard to run the guy off already?
karen Wow.....THIS is why I don't come here anymore. *****es like you. And for your little ****ty mind we've NEVER had one argument over this dog. So can take your "advice" and shove it up your ass. To the people who truly were helpful amd understand my frustrations I appreciate it and I will give everything a try. And if I'm so terrinly why is the pup sitting in my lap right now? I must be a dog beater for sure.
Honestly I am much more concerned about the pup than your feelers.
karen
Yup and if you'd read you'd see where I clearly said I'd try their advice. I don't come here dor advice then not try itm but nope you wanna go straight to my personal life and hit below the belt. Sorry your little life is so sorry you feel the need to say hurtful things that doesn't concern you at all but honestly what happened to people have a little "cooth". You don't have to be a effing ***** because I came here looking for help.
But that's right that's how BHW works right? Have a few good people who truly want to help and then the wolves come out and attack every aspect of your entire life.
Stuck up bitties for sure.
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 8:06 PM
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Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM
Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM
Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed.
And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh.....
He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard.
Sorry for any typos on my phone.
So I'm a little confused. Does he only stay in the crate? Or does he have some play time? Like someone else said heelers are a busy breed and are working dogs! They need active time! It truly doesn't have to be herding. We have two heelers and no cattle to work. We just love the breed. Knowing that he needs some time to get worn out so he won't be so destructive. As for the potty training all dogs are different and it takes time. My puppies don't come in until they have went to the bathroom. And I stay out with them, however long that may be, to make sure they went and praise them! Also I'm a huge fan of crate training but you can't let them out when they yap. They just learn that by yapping they get out! My crates are also in my bedroom (only 2! ). I don't feel their about isolating a dog but more about giving them a secure place to sleep. My dogs crate up on their own and don't make a peep! Don't get me wrong the first few nights are hell but if dealt with correctly that's all it takes! I would seriously talk to your boyfriend about him finding the dog another home if he is never with it and you don't like it. They are great dogs when raised by those that love them! I've never had a more loyal dog in my life!!
Oh no! He doesn't he only goes in his crate at night or when its too cold out and he does something bad. Just don't know how to train these dogs. I know its me but ibe never had ANY luck with them. Anyways he's pretty good in his crate. Doesnt potty in it anymore and only whines sometimes (hes getting a little better but if its dayligt out he statt to cry after about 15 min ). I take him out whenhe whines but other than that he's out with me all day or outside with my little dog. They play constantly and he's generally worn out by bedtime.
I don't hate THIS dog I just hate the breed. Like I said he is pretty cute and so sweet. Idk its just like anything I teach him doesn't "stick" if that makes sense.
I think your title says it all! You don't like heelers and I know their not for everyone. That said I never use my crates for punishment. I want my dogs to be happy in their crates. Heelers are hard headed and very strong willed! If this was any other kind of dog would you give it more leeway? I would not expect any dog to be fully house broke by 3 months. They are babies and just can't hold it that long. Praise and reassuring the dog will pay off in the long run. My heeler is my best friend! Super loyal and protective, even protects me from my husband at times! Lol! I will say she is hard headed but I love her for it. It took her a good 6 months before she was completely potty trained with zero accidents. If you truly want it to work just give him more time. And yep my girl literally ate my husband's spendy work boots |
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| Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 10:54 PM
BlazeFlameHarley - 2013-12-13 10:48 PM
12 weeks and you expect him to be totally patty trained? That is crazy, he is 3 months old. A BABY. He's still having trouble "holding it". My Doberman and my husbands beagle were pushing 6 months old before they were solid on potty training and were going all week without 1 of 2 accidents, and this was with lots of consistency.
You are not being fair to him, and I am sensing it is because he's a heeler and you already think they're dumb or stupid. sounds like your SO needs to make him into a rig dog or rehome him to be fair to the dog.
Again this is why I don't come here anymore....people add stuff I didn't say.
I never said he had to be 100% did I? No I said he will soend all day outside then come right inside and go. I'm tired of it. He should be progressing and he isn't.
Mods may as well delete this one too. Its about to get derailed.
Checking out once again.
Wow. Looks like you got derailed and need to be deleted. Gee whiz. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I have two heelers. They are both strays that showed up here knocked up with one being @2 and the other being @5. The 5 year old's abdomen is full of buckshot shells and she is a bit cripply from bullets filling her hips (we had those removed). A year later, they are both indoor dogs unless I am outside. While I am at work, they are loose in the house. They have never had an accident in my house. I didn't house train them and judging the condition they were in, especially the one with buckshots, they weren't cared for very much. This is my first experience with heelers and the two year old is very protective of me, but they are both so flippen happy all the time. I think the reason that they don't potty in the house is that they are grateful and perhaps since my other dogs don't potty in the house, they learned from them. Regardless, I don't find them to be a stupid breed of dog whatsoever.
What I am about to say is what I really think. I'm not trying to be negative towards you, but maybe the pup feels your "tone" for lack of a better word. You don't have to speak for them to know if you are angry or not. They can feel your anger. Also, how long have you had this dog? If you just got involved in his life, then he has been allowed to potty in the house and is getting mixed messages. Some dogs are just harder to housebreak. Have you ever tried to housebreak a yorkie? Oh my, they are difficult!
Some posters snapped at you, but only because of what you said. I was a bit taken aback at first with the "tone" in which you described the pup. If we are confused with some of the things you said, then certainly an animal that is basing its opinion on what it feels coming from you is going to be confused. I use a crate at night or when I am not here to break my pups. I immediately take them outside first thing in the morning or when I got home to uncrate them. While they are loose in the house, I am obsessively watching them. Puppies have small bladders and can't hold like older dogs...like a baby wears diapers...If they potty in the house, I used a rolled up newspaper and whacked my hand with it while telling the pooch, "no" and immediately taking them outside. The sound of the newspaper was loud, I didn't hit the dog with it, and I reinforced by taking them outside. Once they potty outside, I praised them. It takes time with some taking longer than others. Good Luck. |
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Location: Eatonville, wa | Ignoring the drama, Merry Christmas everyone!
I am going to second some of the advice given here. Little dude needs to be on a schedule, it helps a lot. Take him out to potty every 2 hours or after any activity (playing, eating, sleeping etc..) When you take him out use a potty command (me being the less than creative person I used "go potty) and don't go back in till he has gone. It's a pain, but it will help. And when he does go, softly tell him good boy (trying not to startle him) when he's done, make it the most awesome thing he has ever done! Cookies, loves, dancing and running around.
I have never met a dumb heeler, I have met undisciplined heelers, untrained heelers, unstructured home life heelers, heelers that are trying, but never a dumb one.
I don't think little dude is dumb, it just sounds like you guys are on different wave lengths and it takes time for some to connect and get in sync with each other. Heelers are a breed unto themselves, and depending on their breeding, can have a little bit more of that wild hair than some. Some folks just have a difficult time connecting with them right away, and if you have worked with collies you know that they have to be worked with a bit differently than other breeds.
I believe working with a more predatory breed or even just the more prey drive driven dog takes a very different approach, I honestly put heelers as a more predatory/prey driven breed. Find what he loves , is it toys? Cookies? Human affection? Whatever it is, use it as his motivation and reward during training sessions. Have a goal with your sessions, you said you trained collies? For Herding? If so, start little dude on it, there are quite a few books on training heelers for herding (plus teaching him discipline, commands and signals helps if he decides to take up chasing horses. ) These guys need a job, and a leader..you give them those and they will give their life to make you happy. I hope you have a very Merry Christmas :) |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | I can understand your frustration. My Hubby HAD to have a house dog and we ended up with a Jack Russle male.
Puppy training and house training is all about set schedules and lots of trips outside until the pup understands where to do his busines.
I can't stand the Jackass Russle but tolerate him because he is my hubbys dog and makes him happy.
When we first brought the pup home, I told hubby it was his dog and his messes to clean up. After about 3 days of trying to train hubby on take the dog out FIRST before you do anything else, I let the dog train him. He would let the pup out of his crate and let him play before going out. After having to clean up after him 3-4 times, he finally got that the dog needed to go out FIRST before play time.(after being in his crate).
I have a lot of pups over the years (trained and bred GSD for about 10 years). I have only had two that I could not house train, both females with extremely high energy. They just did NOT care where they went to the bathroom and were just nasty dogs. One finally got better after she matured the other did not. |
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Location: Phoenix | DLV - 2013-12-12 12:41 PM Very weird! Both my heelers potty trained amazingly fast.... some advice about potty training... I have potty trained LOTS of dogs becauase I foster many and have 4 of my own... The First few weeks/months are crucial! Watch the pup every second! I seriously keep mind on a leash on my arm for the first 2 weeks, that way they can't sneak off without me knowing it. Take them outside VERY often, give him/her a treat every time they go potty outside! If they try to go inside, catch them in the act an INTERRUPT them, they don't like to be interupted say NOOO really firm, loud but not screaming at them and say OUTSIDE IMMEDIETLY try to get them to stop pottying and go outside. the interruption should be enough to drive them crazy. If the dog even LOOKS at the door or starts walking around like it wants to go tothe bathroom put it OUT! I tie mine with a leash to my bedpost on a short leash when I sleep and put the dog bed/blankets around it, dogs will not likely potty in their sleeping area so they learn to never potty inside and you know theyre not sneaking of to do it. Hoep this helps! Just like horses... make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard...
Ditto to this, minus the leash part. If we catch them in the act, we pick them up and finish it outside!! and lots of reward once they finish outside. Our weiner dogs were the worst.....but now they ask to go outside and only if they are locked in all day do they mess inside, and we leave out potty pads and they know where to go. Somehow.  |
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| I don't have heelers, but you say he has accidents after coming inside. He probably doesn't understand outside is were he pottys. I've house broken several dogs, and I always took them to different yards. The front yard was for potty trips only, then we would go to the back yard and play. I did this until they were completely house broken. Maybe you could try something of that sort, or make a potty area in the yard? Go to the same exact spot every time. |
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| Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM
Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone.
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| I have yet to read page two, but want to add, if you are throwing the dog outside every time it barks, HE is training YOU. And no potty training is going on AT ALL. I don't care how miserable it is outside, when potty training I go outside and WAIT until they go. Then it's lot's of praise. Keep in mind too, that at the stage this pup is at, he does not know to come to you or go to the door....he doesn't know that he is supposed to ask for permission to do what comes naturally.
I have had Heeler pups all but trained at this age, within reason of their little bladders and bowels. The first Heeler we had together we got at 4 weeks and was pretty much potty trained in 2 weeks. I will say that I put lots of effort in to the litters I have raised and they are pretty much potty trained when they leave here as I have had to raise them while driving semi. If that pup was raised outside or in a stall you are going to have a lot more trouble.
I'm not going to say that there are no dumb Heelers but most of their bad behavior traces back to their owners ( and I am NOT pointing a finger at the OP here). They just are not for everyone.
Now IMHO, your SO should be raising and training this pup, not you if it is supposed to be his dog. I am here to say that it CAN be done driving truck, maybe a little more attention needs to be pad, but it can be done. Sounds like your SO is training YOU! |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | rodeoveteran - 2013-12-14 5:21 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM Alicat0909 - 2013-12-13 2:47 PM Lucylouwon - 2013-12-13 7:52 AM Oh, My neighbor has a Dumb and otherwise stupid heeler. I HATE that dog. I used to really like all heelers until they aquired this one. The biggest thing with heelers that most people forget is they are a busy breed and need full time job or they become like my neighbor's dog HORRIBLE!!!! Crate's are fabulous, and don't forget lots of praise. Use scheduled eating/drinking time, to then "go outside", it will help. I'm sorry you are having to deal with a heeler, I really am. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this breed. I've tried owning two heelers before this pup both a red and a blue...both dumber than a box of rocks. Same as this pup. Just flat out stupid. I have owned and trained several collies and kelpies. I guess this just isn't my breed. And to the person who said you have to be smarter than the dog. Thanks appreciate being called stupid. Smdh..... He is 3 months now. He will stay in the crate but the second he even thinks he heard something the yapping starts. I've let him out. Nope nothing, comes inside and ****es. Back outhe goes or in the crate if its raining.and he still yaps. So I taken to putting him and the kennel in the laundry room and shutting the door. he jumps on the futniture chews on the screen door and tears up the screen, chews on chargers. I discipline him and give him what he can chew on. (The day he eats my boots is the day he disappears....kidding lol ) I can't stand it anymore. SO is a truck driver so I'm responsible for this little idiot. I want to like the pup I do...honestly. but he makes it so **** hard. Sorry for any typos on my phone. Sounds like worthless owners to me.....and here you are blaming it on the dog (no matter what breed ).
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| rodeoveteran - 2013-12-14 7:32 PM
I have yet to read page two, but want to add, if you are throwing the dog outside every time it barks, HE is training YOU. And no potty training is going on AT ALL. I don't care how miserable it is outside, when potty training I go outside and WAIT until they go. Then it's lot's of praise. Keep in mind too, that at the stage this pup is at, he does not know to come to you or go to the door....he doesn't know that he is supposed to ask for permission to do what comes naturally.
I have had Heeler pups all but trained at this age, within reason of their little bladders and bowels. The first Heeler we had together we got at 4 weeks and was pretty much potty trained in 2 weeks. I will say that I put lots of effort in to the litters I have raised and they are pretty much potty trained when they leave here as I have had to raise them while driving semi. If that pup was raised outside or in a stall you are going to have a lot more trouble.
I'm not going to say that there are no dumb Heelers but most of their bad behavior traces back to their owners ( and I am NOT pointing a finger at the OP here). They just are not for everyone.
Now IMHO, your SO should be raising and training this pup, not you if it is supposed to be his dog. I am here to say that it CAN be done driving truck, maybe a little more attention needs to be pad, but it can be done. Sounds like your SO is training YOU!
Careful. You're going to get yelled at for bringing up SO. Read page 2. |
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| Each individual learns differently. I am put in mind of my sister's Chihuahua. They kept saying how stupid he was. how he pottied right on the porch/deck for example. They just couldn't understand that they TAUGHT him to potty there. They got him in late fall and had a chain outside the door. When they "took hi out to potty" they opened the door, attached the chain and threw him out. What else would the poor dog learn from that??!
I think the best tips I can give you have already been said.
Outside when they wake up.
Outside shorty after eating or drinking.
Outside after a short time playing.
EVERY time you go out with him, telling him to "Go potty" or whatever command you want to use. If he doesn't go within say, 5 minutes, you go back inside, watch him carefully and try again in a reasonable time frame (maybe 1/2hour?). LOTS of "Good boy go potty with excited voice and playful scruffing" or treats, whatever he responds positively to.
AS far as the hard headedness, it IS bred into them....for a reason. If they get kicked or run over when working you don't want them to run off cowering, you want them to do their job. They take a lickin and keep on tickin. That is a positive trait in their job. It does however, make dealing with them more trying than many other breeds.
I seriously think that you may be dealing with a pup that was whelped outside. He has no idea that outside and potty are connected, they never were before. Be patient and positive with him and you're likely to find he becomes your dog rather than boyfriend's may have to be firmer with him than most because of that famous Hard Headed Heeler thing.
edited to add: you are getting a late start to housebreaking for a Heeler. I disagree with whomever said that are late to mature. I find the opposite. They mature earlier and require earlier training. He already "learned" bad habits, not his fault.
Good luck to both of you!!
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the heeler hater has acquired a heeler. training tips anyone?